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October 21, 2009

Condo of the Day: 153 Lincoln Place, #3C

It looks like most of the units at 153 Lincoln Place—the former bordello in Park Slope—are now spoken for: Seven have closed, one is on contract and two are still for sale. One of the apartments that's still available, Unit 3C, has had its asking price cut twice in the last three months, bringing it to $999,000 from an initial $1,245,000. It has a lot of space—1,388 square feet—so we suspect the problem has been the untraditional layout. Or maybe, to beat a familiar drum, it's the lack of original details inside a historic shell. Thoughts?
153 Lincoln Place, #3C [Corcoran] GMAP P*Shark

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If I had the means and necessity for a larger apartment, this is the building I would buy in. LOVE this place and the location is perfect (for me).

So happy to see that it's sold so well.

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 12:50 PM

8K in re taxes.

Posted by: DeLepp at October 21, 2009 12:51 PM

I do think I might prefer the other remaining unit for sale to this one though...

http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&ListingID=1561653&ohDat=10/25/2009%2012:00:00%20AM;

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 12:52 PM

Obvi the outside is awesome. maybe its just the pictures but it looks like they cheaped out on the interior.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 21, 2009 12:52 PM

Love it. It's a beautiful building, and the fairly minimalist interior will make a fine stage for my mid-century tastes.

Now I gotta go rummage around in my sofa and see if a few hundred grand are lurking beneath the cushions.

Posted by: DitmasSnark at October 21, 2009 12:57 PM

The rooms look teeny -- especially the bedrooms. And judging from the pics, no way that living room is actually 15' wide.

Posted by: ilovebrooklyn at October 21, 2009 1:01 PM

Love you guys, but why live in a beautiful old house, if when you open the door, you're in a boring modern building? Granted, the spaces are not cookie cutter, but only because of the bays, windows and gables of the old house. The stark white sheetrock interiors, with the same old kitchens and fixtures? Meh.

Good thing I never saw what it was like originally, I'd be heartbroken.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 21, 2009 1:04 PM

I suspect the brothel ladies absconded with the original details.

Posted by: buttermilk channel at October 21, 2009 1:10 PM

Montrose,

I won't speak for anybody else, but while I love the exteriors of old houses like this, I am not a fan of Victorian interiors. To me this is actually the best of both worlds.

That said, I hope they didn't trash any nice details inside.

Posted by: DitmasSnark at October 21, 2009 1:11 PM

I'm not a fan of how stark the interiors are but don't see that it is a huge deal to put up some molding, paint in colors that suit you and change out a couple fixtures. And the building is beautiful and the location great.

Posted by: pmmtenement at October 21, 2009 1:20 PM

Great location and pretty exterior, but I'm thinking the rooms are a bit smallish.

The 2nd floor floorplan is leaving me a little confused -- what's the empty space above/below the "study" -- how does that balcony connect?, and it's Corcoran, so the size estimates are probably "rounded" up.

My guess is this space doesn't work well if you have a lot of furniture.

Posted by: northsloperenter at October 21, 2009 1:22 PM

I saw it before the reno started when architects were getting variances from CB-6 & a few of us on the block were asked to participate. I thought they'd promised to keep the few existing details such as a glorious grand staircase which is gone. At the time the place was a rabbit warren - sheetrock walls chopping it into teeny rooms barely large enough to accomodate a cot, vinyl flooring peeling, really seedy. It now has excellent materials on the exterior but the interiors are done on the cheap. It changed hands twice during the project & the finish work was given short shrift.

Posted by: Arkady at October 21, 2009 1:25 PM

Taxes are ridiculous.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 21, 2009 1:28 PM

When did brokers start using "simplex" to describe 1 floor apartments?

Posted by: northsloperenter at October 21, 2009 1:31 PM

(the former bordello in Park Slope)

Did it have any details left to speak of?

Posted by: Tara in the Slope at October 21, 2009 1:34 PM

The fact that 8 of the 10 units have all sold POST bubble bursting goes to show that Brownstoner readers do not make up the majority of opinions among Brooklyn buyers.

They bought the places...high prices, small rooms, high taxes, lack of details and all! ;)

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 1:35 PM

Tara, come back to the OT. i think all the ribbing was just that, and in jest. They all miss you.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 21, 2009 1:36 PM

Actually, according to Streeteasy, the original ask on this unit was $1,345,000.

So the original ambitious $969 per ft² is now down to a more reasonable $719 per ft².

Of course, if the finishes are shoddy, it might need to drop a bit more.

Posted by: DitmasSnark at October 21, 2009 1:41 PM

Arkady, I'm so jealous that you saw it before the renovation. Was it bordello like, besides the small rooms and seedy?

Posted by: Tara in the Slope at October 21, 2009 1:42 PM

I bet those that bought and those in contract are not liking the price cut!!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 21, 2009 1:44 PM

Dave I can't keep up with the OT.

Posted by: Tara in the Slope at October 21, 2009 1:47 PM

700 a foot is totally reasonable in that area. I'll bet they get close to offer.

Posted by: joe_the_bummer at October 21, 2009 1:49 PM

i know a lot of people will disagree, but there is just something very sad about an old school bordello turning into a cramped yuppie mill. :( i hate conversions like this, and that's why i really do hope the economy gets worse so places like this will come back and make the city interesting and vibrant (in a real way) not that fake yuppie "interesting and vibrant" that they claim.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 1:59 PM

"Brownstoner readers do not make up the majority of opinions among Brooklyn buyers."

Totally true, but the conclusion I draw is probably different from yours...

Posted by: northsloperenter at October 21, 2009 2:02 PM

"Totally true, but the conclusion I draw is probably different from yours..."

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 2:03 PM

quote:
When did brokers start using "simplex" to describe 1 floor apartments?

herpes I and II. apropos for this lovely building that is now turned into something horrible that would make jesus cry.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 2:03 PM

So... taxes on this are $7400 a year and the House of the Day with basically the same price tag is $1800 a year.

What the Fuck!?

The lawmakers in this little town have to get some balls and stand up to the House-owners and make them pay their fair share and stop raping the apartment/condo folks. (colorful language intentional)

Seriously... a $1 million property should have the same fucking taxes... no matter what shape it takes. I pay the same tax on a $50 bottle of perfume and a $50 Xbox game.

I know the argument -- the homeowners have a strong voice. Well, there are a hell of a lot more condo/coop owners getting a broomstick in the bunghole. Just doesn't make sense. And it needs to be fixed!!! If you spend millions of dollars on a property, it's completely absurd to think you should only pay 0.18% annual taxes!!!

Posted by: tybur6 at October 21, 2009 2:08 PM

rob, I bet many people on here don't know that herpes comes in Simplex and Zoster forms. very good.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 21, 2009 2:09 PM

Awesome tybur!

Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 21, 2009 2:17 PM

dipster i made that EXACT comment in the House of the Day thread. thanks for bringing it here to. ill restate my original statement which i stand by...

and you people WONDER why brooklyn public schools SUCK SO BAD? ridiculous. taxes on home prices need to INCREASE 10 fold if you actually want the little monsters of brooklyn to get a decent education. ridiculous! im so tired of having to pay like 1/3 of my salary to pay for crappy city schools that I will never have a need for while people in this pay pittance on taxes on their homes. BARF! sorry for the rant, but this has been bothering me for quite some time now.

what is ABSURD is that someone will pay 8K a year for property taxes on a studio apartment, but 2K a year for an entire 4 bedroom house? who is more like to have kids? who is more like to use up public funds from taxes, i.e. send those demon spawn to schools? GRRRR

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 2:27 PM

Rob - tybur made that comment!!

Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 21, 2009 2:37 PM

Thanks for the credit DH. Rob, I posted my comment as a "mirror image" in both posts -- because of your comment. In total agreement.... well, except about the demon spawn. That's probably only about 20% of the kids.

Posted by: tybur6 at October 21, 2009 2:39 PM

quote:
the demon spawn. That's probably only about 20% of the kids.

youve GOT to be kidding with that one. it's definitely MOST definitely in the 95-99 percent range. nyc kids unfortunately fall into two groups. terribly underprivileged and nasty and terrible overprivileged and nasty.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 2:43 PM

This place has lost all of it's old trim.

Posted by: Crescent Hill at October 21, 2009 2:44 PM

> This place has lost all of it's old trim.

Are you referring to the bordello or the blog?

Posted by: DitmasSnark at October 21, 2009 2:46 PM

Rob -- OK... you're probably right. I'm thinking that one day my wiener may cause a spawn of my own, so I was being charitable. But hopefully it'll fall within the 1-5% non-demon range.

Posted by: tybur6 at October 21, 2009 2:47 PM

Well, the bordello definitely lost all its old trim

Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 21, 2009 2:49 PM

I find most children to be perfectly pleasant and lovable, with a few bad apples thrown in. Just like the rest of society, really.

I don't really base my impressions of the young people of today on someone who spends 90% of his time inside on a beanbag playing with himself.

That's just me. My neighbors have some awfully sweet little ones who always say hi to me, smile and seem quite well behaved.

Love ya, Rob. Mean it.

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 2:51 PM

"I don't really base my impressions of the young people of today on someone who spends 90% of his time inside on a beanbag playing with himself."

*rob*, you have to admit that was pretty funny! ROFL, 11217!

Posted by: CarrollGardened at October 21, 2009 2:54 PM

p.s. Rob...it doesn't really speak will to your intellect (or much else for that matter) that you seemingly hate all children, yuppies, hipsters, people who have money, people who are happy, gay men...who else am I missing...?

Do you have any friends outside the handful of Brownstoners who seem to have taken you under their wing? Not trying to be mean, but am genuinely curious. You seem like perhaps one of the most jealous people I've ever encountered. If they aren't just like you, you hate them.

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 2:57 PM

And it doesn't speak WELL to my intellect that I criticize someone's else's intellect and can't even spell correctly.

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 3:00 PM

The whore house did not have much in the way of original trim when I saw it - aside from the staircase. As I understand from neighbors who were around 30 years ago, it was a disco too & there used to be a bit more glitz but of the zebra skin & flocked wallpaper variety but that was gone by 25 years ago. Bear in mind that it had probably been let go for a while before it was sold but there was just scaling burgundy paint on the walls of the "public areas" & the little hotel rooms were pretty much raw sheetrock.
When I first looked at my house 25 yrs ago, it was a sunny spring day & when I saw window shades at half-mast & a laundry truck pulled up outside I thought the bordello was probably a rundown retirement home.

Posted by: Arkady at October 21, 2009 3:01 PM

(90% of his time inside on a beanbag playing with himself.)
It might not be the case, if this was still a bordello.

Posted by: Tara in the Slope at October 21, 2009 3:01 PM

Tara,

I think I read that Rob doesn't have sex. Like ever.

Bordello or not.

:-/

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 3:03 PM

quote:
p.s. Rob...it doesn't really speak will to your intellect (or much else for that matter) that you seemingly hate all children, yuppies, hipsters, people who have money, people who are happy, gay men...who else am I missing...?

most "hipsters" dont bother me. they fly well under the radar. dont forget about urban farmers and fashionistas hate.them.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 3:08 PM

(burgundy paint on the walls of the "public areas" & the little hotel rooms were pretty much raw sheetrock.)

Burgundy is the color I'd expect to see on the walls in a Bordello. Was there any gold fringe? Please say yes.

And 'raw' is what I'd expect to see also.

Posted by: Tara in the Slope at October 21, 2009 3:09 PM

quote:
Do you have any friends outside the handful of Brownstoners who seem to have taken you under their wing? Not trying to be mean, but am genuinely curious. You seem like perhaps one of the most jealous people I've ever encountered. If they aren't just like you, you hate them.

of course i have friends OFF the internet. jeez. OBVIOUSLY not the 100s of 1000s of friends you have moving into park slope on a weekly basis, but i have some! stop polluting threads too, take it to the OT if you find it necessary to insult me.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 3:11 PM

"i really do hope the economy gets worse so places like this will come back and make the city interesting and vibrant (in a real way) not that fake yuppie "interesting and vibrant" that they claim."

Be careful what you wish for. After all, you yourself have stated you'd be homeless if you were unemployed for a month. Then again, maybe you're right. If I see you laying down on 5th Ave homeless one day, I'll point out how NY is just getting so much better like back in the day.

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 3:12 PM

ty, I wonder how much would be raised if tom'w they doubled the tax on homeowners. I don't know, but are there really that many single family homes in NYC? Could there be a million?

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 3:19 PM

I went to an open house here a couple of months ago.
Stunningly beautiful exterior.
One of the apartment's has some wonderful views.
Some apts have lovely balconies.
Kitchens are nice.
And there's some interesting wall angles.
But the interiors -- including the common areas -- are just standard modern apartment building renos: blah common areas, some bedrooms too small, some walls to thin, some of the building materials are flimpsy.

Posted by: Pigeon at October 21, 2009 3:20 PM

that is SUCH a weak argument denton! (your second post. tho your first post was pretty weak too) and to answer your question, yes, i COULD probably survive living in dumpsters.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 3:21 PM

If they raised the property tax - and put that excess money into the NYC school system - wouldn't that ultimately raise real estate prices?

Sure - it would suck at first but there are soooo many people who moved out to the suburbs because they feel city schools are not acceptable for their children (and sorry - suburban public schools are superior to city schools) - but if public schools in NYC got better, you'd have a whole lot more people consider staying in the city to raise their kids

I'm no banker or hedge fund manager - but when you hold supply constant and increse demand, don't prices increase?

And yes - i realize a ton of u brownstone breeders have kids and they are experiencing diversity and learning street smarts etc etc.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 21, 2009 3:25 PM

Denton -- that is a REALLY weak argument. What does "doubling" have to do with anything? I'm talking about applying a fair, equitable and PREDICTABLE property tax scheme to NYC properties.

I think in many cases, it's not an issue of doubling. If we use today's examples, it's a matter of QUADRUPLING the tax liability of the brownstone. And probably there are cases where it should be 8 or 10 times...

It should be done made effective at the time of sale to a non-immediate family member... and/or change or C of O. Simple as that.

House is being taxed based on it's worth of $43,000 in 1965 with annual increases... it's sold for $2.6 million in 2009. The taxes should SKYROCKET.

Would this affect selling prices? I SURE AS FUCK HOPE SO! Property ownership is not supposed to be a tax shelter.

Posted by: tybur6 at October 21, 2009 3:30 PM

quote:
And yes - i realize a ton of u brownstone breeders have kids and they are experiencing diversity and learning street smarts etc etc.

i lol at that conjecture. yes they live in brooklyn to celebrate diversity, yet uhhhhh won't send their kids to THAT schoool... you know what i mean.. learning street smarts? um NOT. they all have like nannies until their 15 lol.

good point about schools getting better more families would want to move here. i didnt think about that at all. eeeks!

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 3:31 PM

I know 321 is not typical but certainly the kids there are getting a better education than the children of friends of mine in the 'burbs - even high-tax areas in Westchester & NJ that have excellent reputations.

Posted by: Arkady at October 21, 2009 3:33 PM

Just as a point of reference, this building DOES NOT fall into the coveted PS. 321 school district. It is in the also good, but much more diverse PS. 282, if I'm not mistaken.

So either these people who bought:

A. Value Diversity
B. Will be sending their kids to private school despite the very high taxes
C. Have no kids
D. Something I'm forgetting

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 3:35 PM

Also question...wouldn't a house of similar cost in New Jersey be at least twice this place on taxes...maybe even closer to 3 times...?

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 3:38 PM

ya arkady - perhaps. and don't kid yourself ps 321 is an exception, not the rule and is a BIG fact why park slope prices are where they're at

Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 21, 2009 3:38 PM

"Property ownership is not supposed to be a tax shelter."

That's funny, t6. It's about the last one left for the middle class, and certainly a contributor to the housing bubble. Don't you know that? And by raising RE taxes, which are deductible, you are making it a bigger one.

But I didn't make an argument, I asked a question that you ignored. Since you feel so strongly about it, I am asking you again, how much revenue would be raised by bringing up single family home tax rates to that of multi-family housing? I suspect it would be but a rounding error in the city budget. I could be wrong, but I'm curious.

As far as the board of ed, if the money was dumped into that hellhole, I'd surely like to know it was going to something that actually raised achievement levels and benefited children, not just getting sucked up by inflated teacher salaries and the UFT.

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 3:40 PM

11217, taxes on shithole houses on LI are over 20k a year.

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 3:41 PM

DH:

Very true, but if you'll notice people bought places here, The Vermeil and On Prospect Park (I know not technically Park Slope) for some of the largest condo prices in this area in the past year....NONE of which are in PS. 321.

I think my block is one of the nicest (and probably one of the more expensive in the neighborhood) and it is not in PS. 321 either.

The fact is, that many of the schools in Park Slope are above average now. Not just PS. 321. This helps real estate prices tremendously. The neighborhood (on so many levels) is heaven for parents raising kids in the city.

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 3:42 PM

"11217, taxes on shithole houses on LI are over 20k a year. "

I find that offensive - Mr. B can we ban denton for a week?

--grew up in shithole long island house

Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 21, 2009 3:47 PM

"but there are soooo many people who moved out to the suburbs because they feel city schools are not acceptable for their children (and sorry - suburban public schools are superior to city schools)"

The rule I've heard is, Have 1 kid, send 'em to private and live in the city; Have 2 or more, move to the suburbs and pay property taxes instead of private school tuition. either way, you spend the same amount.

Posted by: infinitejester at October 21, 2009 3:49 PM

And as someone who works with the children of yuppies all day long, they are not bad at all. Either that or I'm just that charming.

Posted by: infinitejester at October 21, 2009 3:51 PM

dont most kids who go to ps321 wind up getting beat up like every single day when they hit middle and high school? i read somewhere a while back that it was a huuuuge problem, i think by the actual kids themselves talking about it.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 3:51 PM

I'm not of the opinion that suburban schools, when all things are taken into account, not just SAT scores, are superior to all NYC schools. And I put my money where my mouth is on that.

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 3:51 PM

Denton, I did respond to your question.... I don't know what the total revenue would be, but that's really beside the point. Why should someone in a condo pay $7500 a year while a person in a house pays $1800. Shouldn't they both pay $4650? Or $5000 and have an effective increase in revenue?

And what is this about "deductible" -- yeah, it's deductible from your income taxes -- and it's deducted from your gross income, not your tax liability. But guess, what... the property tax money goes to the CITY. That is to say, increase property taxes is directed LOCALLY, not to Albany or Washington. This is a BIG difference.

Oh, and you example of Long Island taxes... doesn't that support the huge problem with NYC taxes?!

I don't know if the gross revenue would be enough to offset them entirely -- but why am I paying city/local INCOME TAX on my earnings, when property owners are not paying their fair share?! What if you kept all other taxes the same, but INCREASED (upon sale) the absurdly low property taxes that are so far out of sync with the rest of the world!?

Tell me Denton, do you think the taxes you pay are fair and equitable? Or are you just happy you don't have to pony up the cash and fuck everyone else?

Posted by: tybur6 at October 21, 2009 3:51 PM

"but there are soooo many people who moved out to the suburbs because they feel city schools are not acceptable for their children (and sorry - suburban public schools are superior to city schools)"

This is an antiquated notion dating before 2000 when New York City (and Brooklyn) cleaned itself up and became a much better place to live. Literally almost EVERY SINGLE family I know who moved to Jersey wishes they hadn't left.

Of course, it's so easy to say this in retrospect.

The suburbs are a waning phenomenon. Not saying they will every go away, but their appeal has become more as a last resort than as the primary destination for young families.

There's a reason why a house in Brooklyn costs more than a house in typical suburban New Jersey. It's called demand.

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 3:52 PM

quote:
The neighborhood (on so many levels) is heaven for parents raising kids in the city.

oh stop it. give it 10 years and it wont. what goes up eventually MUST come back down.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 3:54 PM

"Tell me Denton, do you think the taxes you pay are fair and equitable? Or are you just happy you don't have to pony up the cash and fuck everyone else?"

t6, I am aware that I pay less taxes on my residence than some others. OTOH, I spent years paying more. Probably, I will have spent more years of my life living in highly taxed residences than lower taxed ones. Overall, I think the taxes I pay are fair and equitable, as I am living in probably the highest tax area in the country, and being in a high income tax bracket, pay plenty of taxes. Additionally, as a business owner, I pay another layer on top of what most people pay. So, I hardly feel I am 'fucking everyone else'.

The guvment appears to have decided the single family mode of ownership is to be encouraged. That's the job of the guvment, to use the tax system to encourage desirable behavior. I didn't make that policy, nor is it why I traded a coop for a house. Frankly, the TCO is not hugely different in Brooklyn. So, you should take it up with the mayor, or vote for that 'rentsistoodamnhigh' guy.

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 4:00 PM

God - people sure do get touchy when someone suggests that not everything in Brooklyn is the best, always and forever.

So what do you judge quality of education on if not standardized test scores and % of children in grade school who are reading/doing math at their grade level?

Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 21, 2009 4:00 PM

rob, my kid went to MS51 and LaGuardia and to my knowledge was never 'beat up' or even threatened. In fact the worst incident she had was in 321, and that never made it to that level.

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 4:02 PM

dh, that would be a large part of it but not all of it. Personal safety of course means something, as Rob suggested. But growing up in an interesting, exciting, diverse environment that doesn't revolve around the automobile and soccer games is worth a lot, imo, in an increasingly global economy where a grad may have to sit across the table with someone from another culture entirely.

Frankly, I'll trade 100pts on the SATs for that. I think I made a good trade with my own kid.

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 4:05 PM

About me fucking everyone with my cheap taxes, lessee...

Years in NYC living in apts, owned or otherwise, and getting fuc*ed by homeowners, 53.

Years spent fuc*ing people who live in apts, 2.

If I live to 85 and stay in this house, I'll have been getting fuc*ed 53 years, fuc*ing people, 32.

Guess I get to go to t6 heaven.

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 4:10 PM

quote:
But growing up in an interesting, exciting, diverse environment that doesn't revolve around the automobile and soccer games

lol. yeah youre right. like park slope isnt a lily white neighborhood, like 75 percent of the houses have cars (i have eyes i can see who is getting in out out of their big SUVs with Obama stickers on them), okay maybe the kids of park slope dont go to soccer and there arent soccer moms... oh wait a second, brownstoner brook is INFESTED with soccer type moms! dont deny it.

unfortunately poor people now HAVE to live in the suburbs (and brooklyn btw IS one big suburb whether you want to admit it or not that aint my problem) and have taken their ghetto mentality to the suburbs, but EQUALLY more concerning, perhaps WORSE is the suburban mentality being thrust into cities now. it's pretty barf worthy when you think about it. this may in fact why i pretty much just hate everyone these days. everyone is a gigantic phoney

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 4:12 PM

quote:
"I'll have been getting fuc*ed 53 years"

haha you just channeled Dibs in your little queen-out right there. have a pina colada on me.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 4:14 PM

"oh stop it. give it 10 years and it wont. what goes up eventually MUST come back down."

Rob, what you don't realize is that Park Slope has been a pretty nice neighborhood for a really, really long time. At one time (when it was first built) it was the wealthiest area of the COUNTRY. It fell on some hard times, but in general has been a great neighborhood throughout its history.

You do not know of what you speak. Even those who tell me about the "tough times" said that Park Slope was always pretty nice.

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 4:16 PM

"But growing up in an interesting, exciting, diverse environment that doesn't revolve around the automobile and soccer games "

There's more interesting shit and diversity in Montclair, NJ than LOTS of Brooklyn at the moment.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 21, 2009 4:18 PM

quote:
At one time (when it was first built) it was the wealthiest area of the COUNTRY.

okay from now on when people ask me where i live im going to start telling them that exact quote. then ill wait for them to slap me silly.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 4:18 PM

rob, first thing my kid was in 321 in 1990 or so. Not as white as today by any means. Even today, go stand outside MS51 and tell me it's lily white. The people in SUVs have their kids in 321 with fake addys, else the kids would walk home, I hope, as mine did.

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 4:20 PM

"okay from now on when people ask me where i live im going to start telling them that exact quote. then ill wait for them to slap me silly."

**
The 1890 census showed Park Slope to be the richest community in the United States.

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 4:21 PM

11217, im not saying are you incorrect. i just wanna get slapped silly for saying that to people who dont care and think it's stupid to say. you break that park slope was once the richest place in the whole country spiel in like every other HOTS or COTS thread!! yeah we GET it. way back in the day in the mythical land of park slope before electricity proper ladies wore their long blonde wigs sitting on latrines made of 24 karak gold encrusted in 10k diamonds. and they all sh@t out 100 dollar bills.

that was stupid i admit.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 4:27 PM

This thread makes me want to get a vasectomy

Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 21, 2009 4:29 PM

This thread makes me wish my dad got a vasectomy before I was conceived.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 21, 2009 4:33 PM

The 1890 census showed Park Slope to be the richest community in the United States.

wealthier than the Upper East Side or the Gold Coast of Chicago or Nob Hill in San Francisco, or even Brooklyn Heights? I doubt it.

Posted by: Minard Lafever at October 21, 2009 4:33 PM

it makes me want to become the Vasectomy and Hysdirectory Sniper of nyc, Dipster! could imagine how much fun nyc would BE without people under 16?

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 4:34 PM

quote:
"Nob Hill"

LOL! is that what chelsea used to be called!?

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 4:36 PM

This thread makes me want to bare Rob's spawn and send them to 321.

Posted by: Tara in the Slope at October 21, 2009 4:36 PM

Take it up with the Census, Minard.

I don't really give a shit. My point was that Park Slope has been a nice neighborhood for decades. It didn't all the sudden become nice in the last 10 years when people like me discovered it. To state that it's going back to the way it was (like Rob suggested) is ignorant. It was kinda bad for a blip on the radar screen in the grand scheme of its history and if you asked most people who lived there during the "bad blip" they probably slap you for being such a p&ssy.

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 4:39 PM

"This thread makes me want to bare Rob's spawn and send them to 321."

Do they allow kids with 2 heads and 4 eyes there now?

Posted by: 11217 at October 21, 2009 4:40 PM

oh tara why do you think i chose to move to park slope!? to send my [insert whatever ethnicity is trendy now to adopt]mail order babies derrr!(they should be here by christmas!)

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 4:42 PM

Why did you choose PS?

Posted by: infinitejester at October 21, 2009 4:45 PM

quote:
Do they allow kids with 2 heads and 4 eyes there now?

bite your tongue! of COURSE they do! they cherish diversity! of course they will just stick me in one of those mobile classrooms in the school yard.(i.e. a glorified porta-potty)

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 4:45 PM

Oh sorry to hear that Rob. If he/she gets delayed in customs will you call me? We can make a little one with half a trendy ethnicity.

Posted by: Tara in the Slope at October 21, 2009 5:01 PM

What about the Food Coop????

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 21, 2009 5:06 PM

lol tara.. let's do humanity a favor and not continue the pitbullfly lineage. it's a good thing my 1/2 brother turned out gay too!! and my 1/2 sister is trendy Bi, so she's halfway there, there's hope yet!

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 5:09 PM

I walked past school-letting-out time at 321 earlier today. It is definitely not white-bread. Nor is my block - Lincoln btwn 6th & 7th. My Haitian neighbor has lived here since the mid-50s as has a near neighbor from Barbados. Up the block another Haitian family moved in last year. Many Asian families & American-born black families. White families too but certainly not a preponderance.

Posted by: Arkady at October 21, 2009 5:15 PM

(turned out gay too!!)

Gay? oooooooh!
Well it's trendy for gay men to live in Park Slope. Adoption is definitely the next step for you.
I hear there's a darling 2-bedroom apt. on Lincoln Place.
Oh, but it's outside 321 zone.

Posted by: Tara in the Slope at October 21, 2009 5:16 PM

Here are the actual stats on PS 321, according to insideschools.org:

Ethnicity %:
64 W; 15 B; 14 H; 7 A

http://insideschools.org/index12.php?fs=683&str=321&formtype=name

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 21, 2009 5:18 PM

tara want to be my beard? we can join the the coop and drink tea with our new imported babies at the teat lounge. dont worry, they have faux b-feeding kits now. it's for new urban mommies who want the experience of actually breastfeeding but for some reason cant. lots of tubes and latex involved. i think the babes in toyland in park slope sells them. it's their hottest item!

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at October 21, 2009 5:23 PM

"Ethnicity %:
64 W; 15 B; 14 H; 7 A "

Hey biff, yeah, when my kid went, it was 50% white with the difference being Hispanic.

Posted by: denton at October 21, 2009 5:27 PM

My block is so diverse we even have at least one Republican that I know of!

Posted by: Arkady at October 21, 2009 5:31 PM

(My block is so diverse we even have at least one Republican that I know of!)

In Park Slope?? You better get the block association on top of this.

Posted by: Tara in the Slope at October 21, 2009 5:36 PM

My school on LI was really diverse too - we had TONS of hispanics.....no wait, those were just really tan italian people. Nevermind.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at October 21, 2009 5:40 PM

It's not fair to compare suburban (some suburban; white suburban) test scores with urban Brooklyn test scores. If you control for parents' education, city kids do fine.

And Rob, it's totally bogus to think that PS middle school and high school kids get beat up every day when they leave the neighborhood. My daughter goes to a Lower East Side middle school where half the kids live in the projects. No danger whatsoever.

Reminds me of the people that told me in 1989 that they wouldn't take the C train to Clinton Washington; they'd get killed for sure. I did it for years and here I am. My daughter takes the A train Nostrand Ave. every day and she's fine too. She even walks from the train to home when it's dark outside.

(knock wood of course)

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