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September 9, 2009

New Retail Tenant at The Smith

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File under: The more things change, the more they stay the same. The building that houses The Smith condos and The Nu Hotel finally has landed a retail tenant and it ain't gonna make the anti-jail contingent very happy. As per a few different tipsters yesterday, a brand spankin' new bail bonds business appears to be preparing to open in one of the new spaces. Can't be good for hotel business. GMAP




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Location, location, location.

Posted by: DeLepp at September 9, 2009 9:34 AM

Would seem to me that bail bondsmen locate near the courts. Not a jail necessarily. And are they such terrible neighbors, these bail bondsmen?
Do the anti-jail people want to get rid of the courthouses too?

Posted by: Petebklyn at September 9, 2009 9:36 AM

okay wtf is a bail bondsman?

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at September 9, 2009 9:38 AM

I believe they are the people who lend money at a nice % to post bail for people who can't afford it. If the person flees, it's up to them to track down the money.

Posted by: Shoots and Leaves at September 9, 2009 9:42 AM

seriously? that's cool i guess. i always wondered how people came up with the money for the ridiculously high amounts of bail that are set up. i had no clue there are loansharks out there for that kind of thing. it sorta makes life a little less worrisome.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at September 9, 2009 9:43 AM

Bail bondsman are always in poor hood's.

Posted by: bitter_bubble_buyer at September 9, 2009 9:47 AM

Maybe Dog the Bounty Hunter relocated?

Posted by: dirty_hipster at September 9, 2009 9:48 AM

Watch "Dog The Bounty Hunter" and you will learn all about it. Albeit set in exotic Hawaii, not downtown Brooklyn.

Posted by: Carol Gardens at September 9, 2009 9:48 AM

Family Bonds, the best thing HBO has done in years. Set on exotic Long Island with guest appearances by NYC.

http://www.hbo.com/familybonds/

Posted by: Smudge at September 9, 2009 9:51 AM

bail bondsmen have been in Brooklyn Height and Cobble Hill for many many years. Note: No bail bondsman has committed a crime or done anything other than run a business. A needed business.

Posted by: bxgrl at September 9, 2009 9:52 AM

Jinx Carol Gardens - you owe me a coke

Posted by: dirty_hipster at September 9, 2009 9:56 AM

"Bail bondsman are always in poor hood's."

As if Boerum Hill was a "poor hood!" Also, nice inappropriate apostrophe--always makes a idiotic comment better.

Posted by: wasder at September 9, 2009 9:57 AM

doesnt cobble hill still have lots of projects? thus it can still be considered a "poor hood"

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at September 9, 2009 10:03 AM

It had nothing to do with "bad" neighborhoods. They are located near the courts.

Posted by: Carol Gardens at September 9, 2009 10:06 AM

Thanks CG for confirming what I thought. But the anti-jail people will still try to confuse the 2 issues (dig to Brownstoner).

Posted by: Petebklyn at September 9, 2009 10:08 AM

understandable that a bail bond place would be near the courts (downtown brooklyn?) but it seems like such a bizarre business to have in the lobby of a hotel. that is just so weird.

Posted by: CG_ups at September 9, 2009 10:11 AM

does sort of interupt the "vibe" of the lux hotel and condos...I'd be annoyed if I lived there. saving grace (for the condo owners) is that this store is on the other side of the building. any word on what will go in on the atlantic side?

Posted by: aishling at September 9, 2009 10:12 AM

not necessarily a BAD idea to have it under a hotel. in 10-20 years that hotel could very theoretically be flea-bag central. in that case, it was a GREAT decision. they were probably just thinking outside the box a lil


*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at September 9, 2009 10:13 AM

Okay folks. The Kings County Criminal Court is NEXT to the HOD -- that is why the HOD is there in the first place! Anyone who bought at the Smith (or at 53 Boerum) thinking the court and HOD would go away was delusional.

Posted by: BH76 at September 9, 2009 10:21 AM

If anyone needed any proof that Sheya Boymelgreen is a complete sleeze here it is. This building, now home to the bail bondsman, sits on a lot that was one of three sold by New York State way, WAY below market price after the local community partnered with the Borough President's office to encourage positive development guidelines for these sites. The other sites were sold to Hamlin ventures of 14 townhouses fame, and IBEC who built the building now home to the Brooklyn Fare Market.
These lots came with strings attached. There were percentages of affordable and low income units required. Boymelgreen was somehow able to have his portion of these units shifted onto the other lots. Furthermore, the other developers had the added hardship of having to build over the subway with expensive engineering and delays dealing with the MTA. Yet these developers managed to build projects that have enhanced the area.
The ground floor spaces of this building alone have remained vacant due to ,one can only surmise, greedy rents.
Boymelgreen got a sweetheart deal on this property due to community involvement and this is how he's paying us back.I wonder how his anchor tenant, The Nu Hotel feels about this?

Posted by: crafty at September 9, 2009 10:44 AM

You have Civil, Criminal, Family, and Supreme Courts! All handily located in one neighborhood. So yes, it would be crazy if there weren't bail bondsmen around.

Posted by: Carol Gardens at September 9, 2009 10:44 AM


Bail bondsmen can be relied upon to pay rent.

Posted by: East New York at September 9, 2009 10:53 AM

Combine it with a nail salon and call it Nails & Bails.

Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 9, 2009 11:10 AM

So crafty- what is your problem with legitimate businesses?

Posted by: bxgrl at September 9, 2009 11:15 AM

I think this empty space is actually on the other side of the garage entrance (i.e., closer to State than to Atlantic) from the hotel entrance.

I am not sure if the entrance on Smith or around the corner on State. Anyone know?

Posted by: Boerumresident at September 9, 2009 11:18 AM

in most of the rest of the world, and in many states, private (i.e., not done directly between the court and the defendant) bail bonding is illegal. so its legality is not at all universal, and one can and perhaps should question its morality. not saying the answer is clear, but just because it's legal in NY doesn't mean it's a great or good or fair thing. interesting article here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/29/us/29bail.html?_r=1

Posted by: i disagree at September 9, 2009 11:24 AM

whatever above poster (hate saying name cuz it ruins the flow and meaning of a post...) but i think having bail bondsmen is a good thing. if hypothetically someone put a flaming poopoo bag on someone's doorstop then got arrested but couldnt afford bail, a service like this is great. what, sit in jail til it's time for a court date? um no.

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at September 9, 2009 11:32 AM


Very interesting article, i disagree. Thanks.

Posted by: East New York at September 9, 2009 11:34 AM

crafty: There are ground floor vacancies all over the city -- including Atlantic, Smith etc. It is not all greed. It is a real estate cycle.

Posted by: BH76 at September 9, 2009 11:38 AM

Dear bxgrl
I grant you that a bail bondsman/bounty hunter is a legitimate business, and that the building owner has every right to rent them the space. I think its obvious that the vast majority of people (except for those trying to be "down" in some way)would view the arrival of this particular business as a pretty depressing development in their own neighborhood.
I have lived on State st. for over 20 years. There have been advances and setbacks.This is a setback, especially considering the history of this building as I have already described.

Posted by: crafty at September 9, 2009 11:48 AM

Dear BH76,
The IBEC and Hamlin buildings have no vacancies and the Boymelgreen building was completed at least a year ahead of them at a more desirable location.

Posted by: crafty at September 9, 2009 11:52 AM

crafty- I lived on Schermerhorn and in the BH area for over 25 years and there were always bail bondsmen around. And they never caused any trouble. It can't be a setback since essentially bail bondsmen have always been around. So again. considering the courts are right there, what's the problem?

Posted by: bxgrl at September 9, 2009 11:59 AM

Carol, are you seriously recommending that people watch "Dog the Bounty Hunter?" Why would you wish such displeasure upon anyone? His haircut make my nose bleed...

Posted by: danko at September 9, 2009 12:16 PM

makes*

Posted by: danko at September 9, 2009 12:17 PM

Dear bxgrl,
I know there have been bail bondsmen in the area for years- in fact there were more when the jail was in full operation. Did they cause problems in the area? I don't know and neither do you. Crime was higher.
I'm not going to spend the rest of the day explaining why I,a father worried about his children's safety, a husband worried about his wife's safety,and a home owner worried about his only large investment's value,am less than thrilled about this new business on my street.
As I said, the landlord has the right to rent this space to this tenant,but its location in this particular building which owes its existence to community activism and has provided unusual benefits to its developer is a slap in the face to my community.Let other neighborhoods be warned about Mr. Boymelgreen.

Posted by: crafty at September 9, 2009 12:54 PM

I do know- bails bondsmen, and the jail itself were not a problem. I lived a block and a half away for years- so yes. I do know.

Posted by: bxgrl at September 9, 2009 1:08 PM

bxgrl and I were former neighbors (I still live here) and there was NEVER crime in the area nor will there be because of a simple bail office! If anything, there has always been LESS crime due to the conuous presence of police (on and off-duty) , corrections officers and court officers.

Posted by: BH76 at September 9, 2009 1:25 PM

rob, if you bothered to read the article you would see that there are multiple other options to this "service," many of which do not require 10% of a possibly collusively set bail amount to be forfeited for the privilege of not remaining in custody while the state figures out how to prosecute someone who has not been proven guilty.

Posted by: i disagree at September 9, 2009 1:37 PM

Hey BH76! :-)

Posted by: bxgrl at September 9, 2009 2:05 PM

I seem to recall that, for years, there was a bail bond office on Atlantic Ave. right opposite the HOD, with the delightfully evocative name "Bad Apple" (and, if memory serves, some sort of cartoon nasty apple fellow on the sign). It gave a delightfully "Motherless Brooklyn" air to the strip. Of course, my other enchanted memory of the area was the time we stopped for the red light at the corner of Atlantic and Adams, just as Elvis' "Jailhouse Rock" came onto the radio. We rolled down the windows and blasted it for the inmates! Personally, I think any hipster worth his fedora should love to brag that his moderne hotel has a bail bondsman in the lobby...

Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at September 9, 2009 2:30 PM

And "Fiador de Fianza" sounds like an opera!

Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at September 9, 2009 2:31 PM

brenda- great story! I bet they loved it.

Posted by: bxgrl at September 9, 2009 2:36 PM

Awful choice for a tenant in this location. the Nu Hotel is a great addition to the short term accommodation options in this area and I have a great respect for what they add to this particular location. They already have to overcome their neighbor across the street, which I feel they do quite well. While there is a downturn in commercial real estate in the area, the rents in these larger, newer locations with high hopes of securing a West Elm or something...do not reflect reality. And thus any smart legitimate business owner would be a fool to agree to sign a lengthy lease. So you're a bail bondsmen, great. Your business should be on a second floor location since you offer none of what Jane Jacobs professed. We need eyes on the street and a business that is at least attractive to the general public, or happily accessible by all. Compliment your other tenants, don't detract from their business. I can see the yelp reviews now...

I walked by this space over the weekend, and its obvious this business is not making any attempts at elevating the general reputation for such a business. Way to go to the broker who rented this space. You're a total dbag.

Posted by: pointslope at September 10, 2009 8:53 AM

It is truly amusing to read the reviews on this ‘bail bondsman’ topic on 75 Smith Street here in Boerum Brooklyn. It seems that all the fears people may have are based on biasness, conjecture and or lack of knowledge of the facts. Here is some food for thought.

As we are all aware the city and our country is struggling through horrific economic times. My family and I, include four school age children, live near State Street. We are glad the new building went up on the corner of Smith and State Street. We moved here, live here and work here knowing full well that an active jail facility, which is forever re expanding, an extremely active Brooklyn Criminal Court and Brooklyn Central Booking is directly down around the corner. No one person living here should be complaining knowing the exact same facts taken into consideration prior to domiciling here.

All the residents here know full well that the corner has been dark and depressing for several years. We also know that because the way the building was financed behind the new bail office is an empty space slatted for a community center which can very possibly be a Legal Aide office, drug clinic, AIDS clinic or anything else that is required for public use.

The downtown Brooklyn area has finally started to take a turn for the better. This is because of several key reasons which include the facts that instead of fly by night businesses/operations, constant changes of cluttered/dirty storefronts esthetics and quick money making schemes by landlords and transient tenants, finally quality tenants with credentials and impressive credit history are being considered for all types of lawful business opportunities. What is encouraging is that leases at fair market rates are finally starting to attract daring entrepreneurs willing to invest time, fortunes, reputation and willing to risk it all for new ventures amidst the economic turmoil.

As an attorney in the private sector and former prosecutor I bore witness to the worst of the worst in human nature. I know that if crimes are horrific and the defendant is dangerous no bail is set by a judge. I’ve seen what a bail bondsman does for a living and how they contribute to society and to the taxpayer of this State. Simply, a defendant when bailed by a bondsman is released in the sole custody of that bondsman called the surety. In addition to court requirements, the bondsman has strict set of rules which governs the release, conduct and conditions of a defendant while out on bail. At the bondsman’s sole discretion, based on any violation of his terms and conditions, he can seek, apprehend, arrest and jail a defendant out on bail bond. As a former prosecutor I’ve seen this happen often as it is the bondsman who is financially responsible to make certain a defendant is 100% compliant and makes his appearances. The people 'defendants' out on bail know this and are extremely cooperative and careful whenever they are near the bondsman and his location. People 'defendants' bailed out jail with utilizing cash alone not utilizing a bondsman have no fear of reprisals. It is these that we should worry about for our neighborhood and not the ones going to the bondmsans office.

We are glad to see some stability finally populate the corner of Smith and State Streets here in beautiful downtown Brooklyn. We are not worried about the bonds office being here. We met the bondsman and his family last week and find them to be pleasant and polite. We have been assured that they will spend no less than 200k to build a state of the art professional and clean location at a tremendous financial risk. We wish them nothing but the best of luck and welcome them to our community.

Thomas Moore, Esq.

Posted by: BrooklynEsq at October 8, 2009 6:06 PM

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