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September 21, 2009
Monday Links

Brooklyn’s Tide of Chains, Decidedly Local [NY Times]
Cyclist, Motorcylist Die in Collision on Greene [NY Times]
Popsicles in Hot Demand in Brooklyn [NY Daily News]
Look to Brooklyn for Prime Bargains [NY Daily News]
Brooklyn's John King Tapped to Lead School Reform [NY Daily News]
Is It Time to Move Back from Brooklyn? [NY Magazine]
Ride with Us on the Kent Ave Bike Lane! [Brooklyn Paper]
Student-designed Playground in Crown Heights [Brooklyn Eagle]
State Approves 2 Affordable Housing Developments [Brooklyn Eagle]
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" Fire up the Bugaboo stroller and head for the bridge!"
Comments???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 21, 2009 8:33 AM
Good riddance to anyone who thinks in terms of moving BACK from Brooklyn which, IMHO, is the center of the universe :-)
Posted by: Bob Marvin at September 21, 2009 8:53 AM
What Bob said!
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 21, 2009 8:57 AM
They'll all be back in 2 years or so when rents start rising again.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 21, 2009 8:59 AM
Regardless of rents or apt prices, its pretty damn hard to live a reasonable lifestyle with children in Manhattan.
Posted by: wasder at September 21, 2009 9:02 AM
I made my comment before downloading the PDF from NYM and seeing that their Brooklyn example was in Lefferts Manor--good riddance doubly to anyone who thinks their Manhattan examples are an equivalent :-)*
*Just kidding, it takes all kinds, even those who, unlike me don't consider LM to be the center of all good things (poor benighted souls that they are).
Posted by: Bob Marvin at September 21, 2009 9:02 AM
Also, my Bklyn/PLG/LM chauvinism aside, the actual monthly cost of all the Manhattan alternatives NYMag offers would be vastly higher than their Brooklyn example, or ANY Brooklyn brownstone in renovated, move-in condition. In financial terms, they're comparing apples to oranges--typical NY Mag nonsense!
Posted by: Bob Marvin at September 21, 2009 9:19 AM
Now all those forced to move to Maplewood because Brooklyn is too expensive can move back into the houses vacated by those fair-weather brooklynites who were really tourists from Manhattan.
Posted by: dittoburg at September 21, 2009 9:27 AM
did anyone read that article in RE section about the woman who is happy to pay $1850 for a chelsea one-bedroom with a sinkless bathroom?
*rolling eyes*
Posted by: bowl of dicks at September 21, 2009 9:29 AM
I agree, Bob. Total fluff. The decision tree is nonsense, just an excuse to puff up some RE listings. There are real trade-offs to BK v. MN, but those are not dealt with in any seriousness in the piece. OTOH, anyone who would leave BK for Manhattan for the reasons given in NYM's decision tree should not not let the B train doors hit them on the way out.
Posted by: slopefarm at September 21, 2009 9:34 AM
Sometimes parents with little kids move to brooklyn for space, then move back for the schools. It's more expensive unless you're giving up two tuition bills from St Ann's for a PS6 life.
Posted by: Ringo at September 21, 2009 10:00 AM
some freaking touchy comments on this thread! brooklyn loyalty is actually hilarious, and i say this as an extremely brooklyn-loyal person. manhattan is the center of the universe and brooklyn isn't -- i'm not ashamed to say it. come to think of it, brooklyn snobs are more annoying than manhattan snobs (and i say this as a tremendous brooklyn snob).
from a real estate perspective, the point the article is making remains -- manhattan and brooklyn are certainly part of the same market. sounds like an obvious point, but i definitely remember some arguing otherwise a year ago.
Posted by: southbrooklyn at September 21, 2009 10:05 AM
Q. What part of Brooklyn life are you unwilling to give up?
A. The long and tedious commute.
C'mon, that's not bad.
"anyone who would leave BK for Manhattan for the reasons given in NYM's decision tree should not not let the B train doors hit them on the way out."
Whatever. Personally I can understand the appeal of walking five minutes from the Met to that place on W. 69th rather than dealing with late-night subway "service" getting back to Brooklyn.
Posted by: Sparafucile at September 21, 2009 10:06 AM
I gotta say, the listings they feature are attractive. I'm sure they all have monthlies that are sky high, but wow. They seem almost reasonably priced. Has Manhattan been hit much harder than Brooklyn?
Posted by: Ringo at September 21, 2009 10:10 AM
South and Spara,
I thought I was pretty clear that there are trade-offs to any decision as to where to live. That means, plenty of good reasons to live in Manhattan as well as Brooklyn. I just found the NYM spread particularly snarky (sorry, Ditmas) and glib.
Posted by: slopefarm at September 21, 2009 10:13 AM
Snarky and glib is what NY Mag does. They invented snarky and glib. It's why we all read NY Mag back in the olden days. Now everyone does snarky and glib better than NY Mag. Poor babies...
Posted by: Ringo at September 21, 2009 10:17 AM
New York mag, like the Observer and to a lesser extent the New Yorker, can't understand what makes Manhattan and Brooklyn truly different. Last night I went to the Delancy Lounge, a truly ugh place, then the Red Lion, a truly wonderful place. While walking between them I passed through the heart of the LES: soot and filth-covered tenements with chic fusion and cocktail restaurants on the ground floor, with well-dressed international seeming people sitting inside.
These are the type of people who work as interns and writers at NY mag, and who say, "Huh?" when I talk about Brownstoner, and who say, "Park Slope maybe is like hoboken?" when I tell them where I live.
I may be a total loser but the scale of my life is not on an opera-attending, museum-opening going, dining out all the time level. And it never will be. People who aspire for that, I admire them from afar. But I don't want to live among them.
Posted by: infinitejester at September 21, 2009 10:18 AM
> Snarky and glib
To celebrate Mad Men's Emmy success, I'm opening an ad agency. Who wants to be Glib?
Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 21, 2009 11:26 AM
Yes, for example, I like the idea that the husband can drive (us) to an art opening in Chelsea. He drops me off in front and then parks the car. Then we can go home in the car and always find parking in Fort Greene. Okay, I know, not terribly "green" but it beats taking a cab or hiking long avenue blocks in Manhattan to the C train.
Keeping a car in Manhattan can be a complete headache if you don't have a garage space.
I've met a lot of new-comers to Fort Greene (both younger not-so-younger people) who say that once they moved here, the love it and wouldn't move back to Manhattan.
I can vouche for that. I spead more time in Manhattan these days than I do in Brooklyn but I live in Brooklyn and I want to keep it that way. I would go nuts living in Manhattan again.
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at September 21, 2009 3:06 PM
Typo Alert: "Vouche" should be "Vouch".
"SPEND more time in Manhattan...", not "spead more time in Manhattan...".
I have noticed rentals dropping in Manhattan but it's no enticement to me.
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at September 21, 2009 3:11 PM
BrooklynGreene, I always enjoy your posts.
Posted by: infinitejester at September 21, 2009 4:45 PM
Thanks InfiniteJ! Me too! ;-)
I have to say one thing. In my peregrinations, I come across many young people (i.e. scene-sters) in Manhattan and I have to say, as judgmental on my part as it may sound, they are more obnoxious several fold than the young people in Brooklyn who seem to me to be much more in touch with reality and sincere, progressive, less materialistic, less shallow.
Look, there is nowhere in Manhattan (maybe not in all of NYC) where you can have hangouts that are becoming so amazingly mixed and "integrated" as in Fort Greene. It warms my old heart. My parents' marriage was "illegal" in many states when they married and I might have been put in a "colored nursery" when I was born if I had been born in the state where my husband is from.
This is one reason I was very concerned how Fort Greene would be "represented" in that new HBO series. I'll leave it to others to go into the details...
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at September 21, 2009 6:27 PM
So I finally looked at the NY Magazine article. Blech. Sure there is stuff sitting on the market in Manhattan...but yes, as someone pointed out, the maintenance, common fees, taxes, whatever are probably outrageous on many of those Manhattan options...the door on the Harlem house was sad-looking giving one the idea there's a lot of money that needs to be dumped into this house...the funniest/cutest thing was the little blurb on the tiny studio (175 sq feet) which wasn't part of the article but was a link on the page. Would make a great crashpad/pied-a-terre but there is no apparent closet on the drawing. Can they "legally" NOT have a closet for the CofO?
BTW, have a look at the old men pictured in the NY Magazine article...there're all codgers already! Geesh, THEY're supposed to an advertisement for something?! I hope the editor included them completely tongue-in-cheek. No?
I do kind of like that roof deck with the lawn though! That would be a "Wow" until you look at the monthly common charge which is probably a different kind of "wow".
It was disingenuous for the dingbat who put that diagram together not to 1) admit the house in Brooklyn may be at a much-too-high asking price so is not representative and 2) that all those apartments pictured have huge monthly fees/taxes that really, really add up. Not to include the them made the whole thing ridiculous...but you know the gullible public...hhh...very few people know how to read AND/or process anything with any nuance these days.
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at September 21, 2009 6:45 PM

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