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September 17, 2009

Inside Third & Bond: Week 101

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This week the folks behind the Third & Bond development blog reveal their marketing strategy for the project.
Last week Petebklyn noticed that thirdandbond.com is fully on-line. With our model units opening in October, we’ve been rolling out our marketing campaign this month. Knowing well that real estate developers’ marketing campaigns are frequent fodder for sarcastic jokes, we will dare to talk a little about what’s going on behind the scenes on ours.

So we have a logo, a tagline, a color scheme, a website. Now what? Now we have to get it out into the world. The world beyond Brownstoner. First we take advantage of the project site itself. Pasqualina Azzarello, who also painted our construction fence mural and coordinated the mural project with the Brooklyn New School, was commissioned to do our branded signage on the sidewalk shed. We like the hand-painted look, and employing a local artist. Originally, we wanted the design to grow out from the center, where our tagline, “What Really Matters” marches across a bright yellow sun. Each week, Pasqualina would come back and paint more of the vine and the items that emerge from the vine. But the reality of moving scaffolding around between material deliveries and trucks made it hard to accomplish. And given that Third Street isn’t exactly a main thoroughfare, we didn’t know if people would notice the creeping changes the way they might in Union Square or Times Square. A good idea with no associated cost except for headache – put that one into our back-pocket for a more appropriate spot. The signage is intended to blend our marketing specifications and Pasqualina’s artistic style.

Next...

...we make a plan for media outlays. We want to spend the most money in months when we expect to generate interest in the project. We’ll spend less money in November and December this year than in September and October.

We will do a lot of on-line media, including a banner ad on this website and next month on Curbed. On-line media placement is a sophisticated beast. You pay for placement: a leaderboard ad runs across the top of the page while a skyscraper runs vertically on the side. You pay per number of impressions, which means how many times your ad loads onto the page. It is not uncommon to pay for 100,000+ impressions in a month. Sometimes you pay per click, which means you pay an additional amount each time someone clicks on the advertisement to go to your website. The crazier stuff, like pop-up ads that run until you find the tiny letters, “skip ad” are not part of our campaign.

We will also be found in New York Times even though we expect fewer and fewer people use the Sunday print classifieds to search for a new home. It’s reasonably priced and still an important reference point.

Beyond that, we’ll look at ads in Brooklyn papers and commuter papers, as well as publications catering to brokers. We haven’t jumped on the Facebook or Twitter bandwagon yet.

What do you think – is that an effective means to getting the word out?

Inside Third & Bond: Weeks 1-100 [Brownstoner]
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an effective marketing campaign will revolve around value.

you will not move anything unless you price correctly. see Forte.

not nice logos, websites, slogans, etc. see Williamsburg or OBB or Oro...

have you revealed price/sq ft ?

if you try to get 750-800+, i think your sales process will drag unless the economy suddenly and inexplicably takes off like a rocket and bails you out. unlikely.

Comps are selling at 500-600 sq ft. See the Satori thread from Sept 1.

Can you make money at these prices?

Posted by: antidope at September 17, 2009 11:45 AM

^^^ Excellent summation. ^^^

Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 17, 2009 12:22 PM

oh, i see your prices on the website.

you have your work cut out for you, i think it's possible things sell at a price btwn 600 and 700, but i don't think it's gonna be easy or fast.

good luck.

Posted by: antidope at September 17, 2009 12:22 PM

agree with summations above. anything above $550sf is unrealistic, but of course understand why they want to start out at current pricing. satori is a good comp particularly after watching the build quality as this goes up. maintanence seems rather high for no amenities in this area. again look at satori. obviously there is no comparison btwn architects of these two buildings, so i am holding out hope that these units will be nice. you would have to be a real gambler to invest in this now and at this price point.

Posted by: saarinen at September 17, 2009 1:04 PM

Why do developers insist on wasting space by putting two full bathrooms in a one bedroom apartment? I could maybe see a powder room, but personally I think that's even a waste of space. This is New York City, not Suburbia, USA. I'd love to do a survey to find out how many people in these new developments actually use their second bathroom as a bathroom and not additional storage, as I've seen many times.

Posted by: kvnbklyn at September 17, 2009 1:08 PM

well, some people are not investing. They are purchasing a product for usage. Keep that in mind.

Posted by: Petebklyn at September 17, 2009 1:09 PM

Agreed about the price being #1 factor these days. But just to remind everyone: green ain't cheap, and I (personally) would put a premium on that. Whether enough people out there feel the way I do remains to be seen.

Posted by: heck_of_a_job_brownie at September 17, 2009 1:29 PM

... or in this case green lite or green hype - whatever you prefer - please.

Posted by: oldrte10 at September 17, 2009 3:01 PM

Yeah... what is the second FULL bathroom for in the 1-bedroom apartments? Never mind city/suburbia. That just doesn't make sense.

1/2 bath -- OK. You don't want your dinner guests seeing your undies hanging in your bedroom. But are you dinner guests taking after dinner showers? If so, invite me! This sounds like a kinky dinner party!

And if that's the case, wouldn't you just share the same shower?

Posted by: tybur6 at September 17, 2009 4:38 PM

Oh... and this place is expensive! And you'll probably smell a little like the Gowanus. :-)

Posted by: tybur6 at September 17, 2009 4:41 PM

I totally agree with all the comparisons to Satori since that is only about 5 blocks away. Right now, that's the better option. Their studio's start at around 490qq ft. and are priced at 299,000. This place wants 311,000 for about 433sq feet? I'm guessing like most of the new developments in the area, that they'll have to eventually drop the prices down to make it more competitive with the area.

Posted by: NYGuy7 at September 18, 2009 10:07 AM

This is supposed to be a "Green" building. I am hoping then no one will have dryers and everyone will have clotheslines in the back of the building like we all did back in the day.

Posted by: STARGAZER at September 18, 2009 10:49 AM

Not to be a complete pain in the neck bc this developer blog is very interesting and i thank you for sticking your neck out and sharing.

i went through the financing threads yesterday. I really hope you never come close to using the whole 25 mio loan and i hope the 25 mio covers expected interest during construction and sales (4.5 years?), otherwise this project will cause serious damage to your company. given the top-up clause you agreed to (presumably in order to reduce the rate), your company seems pretty exposed to current market prices beyond the usual equity-at-risk money (which would've been painful enough).

Posted by: antidope at September 18, 2009 10:53 AM

Interesting comments, guys. A couple of thoughts:

We think quality of work and finishes plays a role in pricing, as well as square footage.

Don't worry antidope, our construction loan has a healthy interest reserve.

This project is expected to be LEED-Gold (the second highest rating in an internationally known standard) AND Energy Star-rated -- a tough energy efficiency standard that covers the entire building, not just appliances. Them's the facts, not hype. And if you want to hang your clothes to dry, feel free to string up a wire across your loft-like living room. ;)

Posted by: Alison at September 18, 2009 2:09 PM

what kind of green premium do you think the green project commands? $25-50-100 / sq ft? Did you try to guestimate via comps? must've been hard to quantify.

Posted by: antidope at September 18, 2009 2:14 PM

As for the 2nd bath in the 1-bedroom duplexes, here was our thought process: you want a toilet on the main floor so guests aren't going through your bedroom during the Super Bowl party. You want a toilet next to your bedroom so you don't have to go downstairs in the middle of the night. Makes sense to have the shower up there too, since that's where you're getting dressed.

So, sure the bathroom downstairs could have been a half bath -- but why? It doesn't cost much to add a shower and otherwise the space will end up limited to a closet. (Can't really be living space given the need to create a square room that holds the half bath and washer/dryer.) Why not have a second shower that couch-surfing guests can enjoy separately from your private upstairs shower? If you really need that space for a closet, go ahead and pile your stuff in there. No condo book rule against it.

Posted by: Alison at September 18, 2009 2:16 PM

We didn't try to quantify a green premium on the sales side. We have tracked the green premium on the costs side --will have to blog about it.

Nobody has good data on a green cost premium for residential condos (that I've seen). There are a few studies about green office rent premiums. But we've heard a lot of anecdotal evidence that if buyers are looking at two comparable properties and one is green, then they'll lean green. We're not sure that people will pay more for green yet.

We hope that the project will appeal to green-seeking buyers as well as to buyers who are looking for a home or investment and like the project for other reasons.

Posted by: Alison at September 18, 2009 6:46 PM

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