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September 29, 2009

House of the Day: 329 Adelphi Street Reduced

The beautiful but crumbling wood frame house at 329 Adelphi Street has a new broker and a new price tag. The shingled corner house started out asking $950,000 last May. According to a few people we know who've now been inside, though, it needs so much work that that price was unrealistic. The new asking price of $795,000 is still more than the pricing widget called for last go-round, which normally wouldn't be an issue given the widget's track record of underpricing by 15 percent or so. In this case, though, we suspect the masses may have some wisdom: An architect we know said you're looking at a million bucks of work here.
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it looks like very terrible things were done inside that house. very "last house on the left"

*rob*

Posted by: Butterfly at September 29, 2009 1:15 PM

architects have no concept of money. They are like drunken sailors with other people's money.
This house can be fixed up beautifully for $350-375,000.
It's a tiny house and you don't have to make every surface look new.

Posted by: Minard Lafever at September 29, 2009 1:19 PM

Construction loan anyone? Good luck putting less than 25% down

Posted by: Crownlfc at September 29, 2009 1:20 PM

Agreed, Minard, though your figure may be a little low (depending), a million is way too high unless you MUST have it look like something out of Architectural Digest when it's done--as in, I haz six toilets and they're all Toto!!

600K cash anyone?

Posted by: dylanfan at September 29, 2009 1:27 PM

Minard, I find that comment offensive to architects and sailors. The house looks like it has significant structural and cosmetic problems (not to mention landscaping). It would be difficult to fix it up for the number you throw out. If it was so easy, would be sold by now - what a steal. $1M might be too high, but not so off base as to categorically dismiss.

Posted by: archigoddess at September 29, 2009 1:29 PM

isn't this the one that you checked out DIBS?

Posted by: the chicken at September 29, 2009 1:31 PM

"beautiful but crumbling"

Mr B, this is a joke right?

Listings like this make me feel like I've logged into The Onion. Certainly the humor value is right up there.

Posted by: MoneyForNothing at September 29, 2009 1:46 PM

Any NYC architect can easily spend half a million dollars on a new kitchen. The idea is to approach an architect and say this is my budget, $375,000 make it work.

Posted by: Minard Lafever at September 29, 2009 1:54 PM

Anyone here see the Money Pit?

Hysterical movie.

Posted by: MoneyForNothing at September 29, 2009 1:56 PM

ML, I had a look at the house. There is absolutely no way to do it for less than 500K, there is not much of the house that is currently usable. 1M is probably for a beautiful top-of-the-line renovation. 600K-700K is doable, add in a year of work and this is why it hasn't sold yet. The buyer needs to have 1M in cash and no need for housing for a year. There aren't that many people in this category, and they probably would want a sweet deal.
Look at 405 Clinton, also charming, also inhabitable (read unmortgageable), it is 3X the size, and a mansion on Clinton Avenue and sold for 1.675M. Before seeing it in person, I thought 550K. Now I'm thinking 500. It's pretty sad, because another winter will cause even more damage.

Posted by: Maly at September 29, 2009 1:57 PM

What is the contradiction in beautiful but crumbling?

Posted by: wasder at September 29, 2009 1:57 PM

"What is the contradiction in beautiful but crumbling"

You ever check out Liz Tylor recently? Not so much on the beautiful anymore.

I'd go somewhere more along the lines of

"This once quite attractive listing on Adelphi has recently hit the wall at approximately 60 MPH..."

Posted by: MoneyForNothing at September 29, 2009 2:01 PM

Moneyfornothing:
I just asked for it at the library, saw it years ago. I figured I needed to watch it again to remain sane as I am looking around for a place...

Saw 329 Adelphi. I think if you gifted it to me, I might pass... You have to redo floors, plumbing, stairs, 2.5 bathrooms at least, 1 kitchen, heating, roof, brick walls, plasters, shingles, lighting, outside decking, some garden work, doors, and all the windows. Most of the wood panneling is also damaged. You also need to redo the support beams between basement and first floor. I am no contractor, but to do it to a good standard I believe 500K-1 million is in the range. The finished product would be lovely for sure.
All under the friendly and watchful eye of the Landmarks Commission, oif course!

Posted by: spqrxxi at September 29, 2009 2:04 PM

Moneyfornothing:
I just asked for it at the library, saw it years ago. I figured I needed to watch it again to remain sane as I am looking around for a place...

Posted by: spqrxxi at September 29, 2009 2:04 PM

Anyone have a list of what's wrong with the house-

Electric
Plumbing
sagging joists
rot
termites
roof

All of it? More of it?

Posted by: Park Place at September 29, 2009 2:04 PM

If structural damage, rot, and mold take up $300k of your number, there is no way to "make it work."

Posted by: archigoddess at September 29, 2009 2:06 PM

Unless one prefers frame over brick house, I personally find it hard to spend that much renov $$$ on a frame. This sounds as or more $$$ and time than renovating a brick shell

Posted by: more4less at September 29, 2009 2:06 PM

You people are insane. For a million bucks you could tear this down and build a new house twice as big. How could you spend a miilion dollars on this? The house is 1600 sq ft max and a lot of that is stairs. If you spent a million dollars you would be spending $650 a sq ft. Ridiculous. Off the charts.

Posted by: Minard Lafever at September 29, 2009 2:09 PM

no termite damage that I saw, but add facade, porch, exterior, windows, doors, HVAC, garden, bathrooms and kitchen, stairs, and a corner location for extra landmark scrutiny. If someone gave it me, I would still take anyway, because it is so cute, and then my husband would kill me.

Posted by: Maly at September 29, 2009 2:13 PM

Posted by: Maly at September 29, 2009 2:14 PM

A million dollars of work!>?!? What the fuck is that?! For a million bucks you could build 10 of these houses (OK, three)

That architect friend of yours should be taken out back and spanked. I wonder why housing prices are so high in NYC?!

Posted by: tybur6 at September 29, 2009 2:14 PM

Reading above, and in the last posts on this topic- sounds like this could work well for the skilled do it yerselfer- were it not for the landmarks part.

Posted by: Park Place at September 29, 2009 2:14 PM

$150 a foot, a skillful carpenter, and a lot of compromise over the course of a year to get in. A lifetime of labor after that to make it a "publishable showpiece." Or $350 a foot to do that now.

Posted by: architect66 at September 29, 2009 2:15 PM

ML, exactly. That is why it hasn't sold. It would cost a million dollars, but the renovated house would be worth $1.4M at most. It's a problem.

Posted by: Maly at September 29, 2009 2:15 PM

Minard, the architect's job is not to make an unrealistic budget work or tell people what they want to hear. It's primarily to address life safety issues (of which this house has many), if you can get some good design in in the process, bonus points.
Square foot take-offs on this kind of problem are wildly variable. To say with any certainty what this would cost would take more than the five minutes of consideration most of us have given it. No one here is insane or deserves to be spanked, and architects certainly aren't to blame for the high cost of living in New York. If they were, they would live better. What's with the vilifying?

Posted by: archigoddess at September 29, 2009 2:28 PM

Minard, not sure where you are getting your numbers, as the listing states there are 3 floors PLUS an english basement. You really think there are only 1600 sq ft to this house?

At any rate, I'd like to know who does, or would do, your contract work. It seems highly improbable anyone could find a good NYC contractor to take on this home, in a nearly dilapidated state, and do it "beautifully" for 350k. We are talking complete overhaul of roof, floors, framing, plumbing, electrical...and at that point we haven't even begun the interior - including kitchen (s), bathrooms etc. The garden will be an undertaking as well.

I understand your point, that not everyone must or can live in an Architectural Digest quality home, but Home Depot and Ikea-quality renos require contractors, teams of workers, months of work and a whole lotta money too.

Even what my dad lovingly refers to as "ranch work" (he was raised with 6 brothers on a cattle ranch in need of near constant upkeep and work which was strictly utilitarian and well-done, but with absolutely no care nor eye toward aesthetics) cost more than ever anticipated, and they were able to do most if not all of the work themselves. Something most of us wouldn't be able to dream of undertaking. (I have trouble understanding even the most basic plumbing and electrical concepts!)

Posted by: Nokilissa at September 29, 2009 2:30 PM

The landmarks commission would save you money: "No, you can't build a giant addition for the jacuzzi; no, you can't build a rooftop gym addition; no, you can't put on a stone veneer."
You patch, paint, put on a new shingle roof, repair -yes repair and repaint the windows. put in new plumbing and elctric. two baths. one kitchen without german appliances or a wine cave, refinish the floors, spackle and repaint the walls. I repeat, insane to spand more than 375 thou on the repair of this tiny little house. Get an architect who likes old houses and isn't petrified of the Landmarks Commission and get a second estimate from her.

Posted by: Minard Lafever at September 29, 2009 2:32 PM

Minard, do you have a vested interest in the outcome of this discussion? While you're correct that it wouldn't be prudent to sink a ton of money into this thing, the kicker is you'd have to to make it livable, not "designed", just livable.

Posted by: archigoddess at September 29, 2009 2:36 PM

Is there really anything wrong with this house that can't be fixed with a can of gasoline and a book of matches? If the wiring is in the same shape as the rest of the house, you might even be saved the five bucks for gas.

Posted by: bohuma at September 29, 2009 2:38 PM

what a dump

Posted by: bitter_bubble_buyer at September 29, 2009 2:39 PM

Okay. Never mind. You seem intent on proving some point here (with your jacuzzi, wine cave and stone veneer references being nearly spat out of the corner of your sneering lips)

But I find your estimation that this home simply needs some patching and sprucing up here and there, with spackle and paint, to be equally "insane".

Next?

Posted by: Nokilissa at September 29, 2009 2:41 PM

Minard, I have a spider-filled closet under the basement stairs that I like to call my "wine cave", maybe this house could have one of those as well. It also has a plumbing stack running through it for ambiance. Just an idea.

Posted by: BHS at September 29, 2009 2:46 PM

Do you ignore the structural issues, or should the architect use gum to repair the joists and advise harnesses to go upstairs?
The house has currently about 2,400 sq ft of usable floor space. It seems you are saying it doesn't make any sense to spend more than $xx on this small house (I can agree with the sentiment) so just don't even think about making it sound and habitable. You can't refinish and spackle what's rotten underneath.

Posted by: Maly at September 29, 2009 2:47 PM

I offer a nickel and a cheese sandwich.

Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 29, 2009 2:54 PM

I haven't read the above comments yet (am multi-tasking!) but I just have to comment:

HOW in Creation could it cost $1 million to renovate this house???

That is ridiculous. Woody and Dan's house is very small.

We had a big shingle job (with stripping, some structural work) in, okay, New England...I just can't imagine a renovation of this little house could approach $1 million...unless every surface is gilt.

...I'll have one of whatever your architect friend is drinking!

Posted by: BrooklynGreene at September 29, 2009 2:57 PM

structural issues on a litle wood house like this are nothing. You sister some joists you jack up the spring beam. its not rocket science. I have done things all my life very frugally. I guess I'm an expert on spending very little and getting the job done. I detect that people are afraid of these old homes in tough shape and think it will cost fortunes to rehab them. The truth is no one has ever spent fortunes on any of these houses until very recently.
The roots of the preservation movement was based on frugality, if not downright cheapness. I'm sorry we lost that ethic somewhere along the way. I can fix up this house for $375,000. You all would bemoan the cheap appliances and "horrid" tiles. But it would be perfectly nice.
Also there is no English basement. It's a crawl space or a short cellar at best under there. So you have two small floors and a half floor in the attic. It doesn't matter what the realtor says. you have to use your eyes and see what's in front of you.
Lecture over,.
I wish everyone a very pleasant evening.
Read you tomorrow God willing.

Posted by: Minard Lafever at September 29, 2009 3:00 PM

I'm sure if this house were in New England, it would be impossible to spend more than 400K on exactly the same job that would cost 1M in landmarked Brooklyn. The labor and supplies are much cheaper, there is no need for all the fees and aggravations that are par for the course in an urban, dense and landmarked area.
Just look at the cost of a new slab of concrete in the city vs. anywhere else in the US. It's an eye-opener.

Posted by: Maly at September 29, 2009 3:02 PM

ML, you will read your contributions tomorrow and wince. You seem to have forgotten some of us have seen the house in question. Crawl space? the original kitchen was in the servants' quarter in the English basement. You have staked a ridiculous claim, and are now digging yourself in nice and deep.

Posted by: Maly at September 29, 2009 3:05 PM

"I offer a nickel and a cheese sandwich."

It had better be a buffalo head nickle and a nicely aged imported cheese at the very least.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 29, 2009 3:06 PM

Minard, what a glorious change in tone. Not one of us was suggesting doing anything but the bare minimum to this house to make it habitable or as you say "perfectly nice." And, I'll say again, until someone actually unbuttons this thing, it's all speculation. You have a lovely evening, as well.

Posted by: archigoddess at September 29, 2009 3:09 PM

Cheap gut reno = $350 sq/ft
High end gut reno = $650+ sq/ft

Brooklyn prices. Whatever that works out to.

Not sure if this is a complete gut, but it sure looks like it.

Posted by: Brokedeveloper at September 29, 2009 3:11 PM

Sounds nice, and I truly admire the ethic. But I would still like to know who would do it in the City for 350k. Unless of course you are speaking about an extremely hands on and frugal buyer who can do most of the work him/herself.

I would buy someone a year of free drinks for this information. I'd even sit on a bar stool next to you and talk about whatEVER you'd like at least once a week if you were feeling lonely, for this information. It would have to be a contractor with commitment and the experience to do it well though. Not show-stopping, just well. Safe. Ranch work at it's best...

Posted by: Nokilissa at September 29, 2009 3:13 PM

I've been through this house too.

Whether or not you do the bare minimum or do it up really nice, it'll run between $300-500,000. Structutally it seems quite sound. In fact, the framing is oak 4X4s infilled with brick, yes brick. The whole place needs to be gutted. there is absolutely nothing even salvageable except one fireplace mantle and the stair railing. The floors are warped and buckling due to water damage.

It needs all new windows but, if you wanted to wait, the shingles are not bad and could be repainted. It needs a new roof and rafter replacement.

I think it would sell for $1.0-1.2MM depending on how nice you made it.

Oddly though, you might be able to finance some of the purchase price if you just installed a makeshift kitchen but I wouldn't bet on it.

I like the place a lot but a gut renovation of this scale despite your employing an architect and a GC is still almost a full time job.

The lot will make a nice yard but there's no room for a garage and we won't be bringing up curb cuts anymore anyway.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 29, 2009 3:16 PM

Sorry archigoddess... I won't spank you, unless you want me to.

But you don't think it's pretty close to insane to say, "Look at this medium wooden house that needs work... Oh, it'll be a million dollars to fix that up." That's crazy. Simple as that. And you're right. One shouldn't spank crazy people, it's not their fault.

Posted by: tybur6 at September 29, 2009 3:38 PM

Is it me or is everyone crazy.. 400K to remodel a small house.. I think this could be done for about 250k.. And the place would look really nice..

Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at September 29, 2009 4:09 PM

I would hire NJ contractors..

Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at September 29, 2009 4:13 PM

I would hire NJ contractors..

Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at September 29, 2009 4:13 PM

Then you'd get NJ quality.

Buying CEU, VISN

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 29, 2009 4:15 PM

DIBS,

Not that you are buying this house, but your comment about the brick infill reminded me that, where we opened exterior walls in our frame house, our architect ahd us remove teh infill. Sometimes the infill is reall a wall and part of teh support. Other times, as in the case of our front and rear walls, it was put in loosely as 19th century insulation. Our architect was adamant about getting the excess weight off of the framing of those exterior walls. So, depending on what you saw, the infill may reveal structural strength at the Adelphi house, or it may actually be causing stress. Just a thought.

Posted by: slopefarm at September 29, 2009 4:15 PM

slope...I had rubble infill in my Bucks County house which we removed and then spray foamed. This looks to add structural integrity though it is not great as insulation.

What I would have done here was fer out the walls another 4" and then did spray foam giving you not only really great insulation but also that early 1800s look of deep silled windows. This house was built around 1830.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 29, 2009 4:31 PM

Ok, I'll take the bait Ty. If you read the ENTIRE post, you'll see that I never said it should cost a million, just that $350 was probably too low for a house that needs this much work. Truth probably somewhere in the middle. Someone needs to take a hard look at it, come back with some real info, and until then no way to know. What could be perceived as crazy is being so darn certain one is right when they have about 5% of the data. That's it.

Posted by: archigoddess at September 29, 2009 4:34 PM

Sounds nice, Dave. I hope someone rescues the house and does it right.

Posted by: slopefarm at September 29, 2009 4:40 PM

archi-
second to last sentence sums up just just about the whole opinion making business on this site.

that said i hunt for the needles in the proverbial haystacks and find just enuf to keep coming back...

elided, i might plagiarize the line for my own comments.

Posted by: antidope at September 29, 2009 4:42 PM

"Is there really anything wrong with this house that can't be fixed with a can of gasoline and a book of matches?"

My nominee for best comment on this thread.

Posted by: MoneyForNothing at September 29, 2009 4:59 PM

Oh...oh...[Meg Ryan table-pounding noises from "I'll have what she's having" scene]...OHHHHH!

It is my dream house...which is to say, a smaller version of our house. And you could get it sweet and habitable for $300K; we could do it for less (by living in a semi-habitable pit for 20 years, but I digress). You either have a jones for these ancient little wooden houses, or you don't.

But the sad part is, this should be an opportunity for some nice, insane, deluded young couple or brave loner to take on a nearly-free wreck and rescue it with sweat equity. See? By nearly free, these days, we might mean, oh, $250K, given its location. That is the romance, people--the idea that the poor little old wreck could be saved with heroic love and every penny you have. Not that you pay half a million just to start. No wonder folks suggest tearing it down (or, most cruelly, burning it down). Crazy little places like this used to be the cracks in the city's armor where us bottom-feeders could slip in. But no more, not even in the so-called 'soft' market. That seems a shame. Thank God for landmarking, so at least it will have to be rescued in defiance of common sense.

Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at September 29, 2009 5:05 PM

this is ridiculous. there is nothing to rescue here but the walls. This should be in a new category "shell of the day".

Posted by: bklplebe at September 29, 2009 6:35 PM

Nokilissa,

Where have you been? Have you'all decided to "wait it out" or are you still actively looking? You didn't buy a house in Brooklyn as yet, have you? Just cooling your jets in Manhattan for now I'd imagine...

Brenda,
Woody and Dan were that romantic couple of whom you speak! I know what you mean about having "a jones" (forgive me, but is that supposed to be a vulgar term?) for cute, shingly, clapboardy, picturesque houses (even though I keep wondering what it would be like to live in a moderne house). This house could be so cute I almost cringe at the thought! Can you imagine if it could be done in a great set of colors (most importatn), and even have shutters and window boxes, nice cottage gardeny around the two sides, climbing roses or a pretty grapevine?!!! Ugh! I’m dying! I wonder if Landmarks would disallow the house being switched back to clapboard (it probably was originally) which might be less Cape Coddy and more Federal which might “work” better--and if they’d allow dormers which would make the top floor rooms more usable.

Minard,
I have to say I agree quite a bit with your comments. I can't...simply cannot...imagine the need to spend $1 million on this house to fix it up...such an absurd notion.
And the appliances and tile wouldn't have to be *that* bad. You seem to envision the cheapest stuff out there...but I don't think you'd have to cut costs down to the worst bargain basement Home Depot junk. You wouldn't need a million dollar Aga (which would have to be in the “English basement in this house!) or a $7,000 semi-restaurant stove but you might not have to go with a super cheapo new stove either. You might find a great 40s or 50s stove. We have one...and it WAS cheap...and works very well (okay, it was my aunt’s)...much better made and more heavy duty than what's generally made these days and it has a wonderful look of course). You can also do a lot with not too expensive tiles. Much of "it" is about taste and restraint. Very simple tiles can look great when done well. Floors might be cork or linoleum which might be more appropriate in small frame house that may shift a lot. Stone floors in a kitchen in this house would be horrid.

Maly,

Trust me, depending on where you are in New England there are a ton of regulations--materials aren't so cheap anywhere (unless you build with adobe, cob, earthen bricks made on site...even milling local trees takes a lot of work and money—according to friends who used trees on their property to build their house. Unless you’re the superduper woodworker who knows and wants to do all that work, it costs, and costs and costs).

I'll grant you there're some savings with filings, fewer hold-ups along the way and labor is cheaper in many places outside NYC...it just depends on where you are. Some parts of Upstate NY are super cheap, yes. Parts of New England are as expensive as NYC to get things done it seems. And, not to go off too much on a tangent, but surprisingly, with the cost of housing taken out of the equation, the cost of living in many places outside NYC can be quite high, if not higher than in NYC where you can live without a car, and can find all sorts of bargains. Shopping for specialty food in the stix can be surprisingly expensive in certain enclaves. Try shopping for food on the East End or regular supermarket shopping on the Cape!

Anyway, the lead paint issues you have to go through with shingling...all the regulations where our house is can get complicated. And, frankly, all the houses around have lead paint on them it seems...there's a very brisk industry dealing with all the regulations!

Plus, we went with the local top-of-the-line contractor: perfect new shingling, incredible paint removal (they really improved old exterior details), filling, top-of-the-line oil primer and paint, copper this, that and the other. Not exactly cheap. And again, the materials were probably as costly as anywhere.

The thing you get in some places in New England is expert Yankee craftsmanship. S-o-m-e-t-i-m-e-s you might, might just get very good craftsmanship in NYC out of a contractor...but you have to pay through the nose ten times for it...and basically wait around for the guy to be available.

In certain places in New England you can find great craftspeople, woodworkers, painters, etc...maybe not considered "cheap" locally, but cheaper than anything comparable in NYC. Yes. But, your idea that things are a breeze in New England is off-base. There are many VERY touchy historic districts where we are and New England is famous for historic preservation so don't think it's all that easy outside NYC!

But, back to the point: I'm not so sure why Woody and Dan's house cannot be done in a "keep it simple" renovation...are the floors falling in at this point? I'm not sure. And even then...does it have to be super perfect or can it be a little bit low key? Does it only make sense as a purchase and a renovation if the new owners wind up with a complete jewel box of a house? Are those today’s expectations?

You run new electrical cables (not the worst job to do since they can snake a lot through the walls), the radiators may be fine (the pipes just need to be dealt with to fix any leaks)...new furnace and rebuilt the chimney if needed. You have a window restorer (okay, not cheap...we spend more on restored windows than on new ones!) to work on the most urgent windows, and get storm windows which Landmarks does not prohibit and can be installed without Landmarks review. Aren’t there double glazed storms now? The garden and front border are not that bad and do not need professional work. They're ripe for a do-it-yourself gardener. Skim the walls after the electrical is run and patched and a

Posted by: BrooklynGreene at September 29, 2009 7:32 PM

Archigoddess... it wasn't you that said it would cost a million. You were just confirming that this could and should be a POSSIBILITY. That, of course, is just completely absurd.

Posted by: tybur6 at September 29, 2009 9:14 PM

Said it could get close, but NEVER said it should. Have also said at least twice, no one actually knows. Can't be any clearer than that.

Posted by: archigoddess at September 29, 2009 9:53 PM

Archigoddess: You've been clear. I'm half asleep and I can tell you've been quite clear.

Considering all of this, it's disingenuous for the broker to say "an unheard of low price of $795,000."

Posted by: Nomi at September 29, 2009 10:11 PM

Too bad about the water damage. Is that mold I see in the corner under the window by the fireplace? Otherwise it doesn't look so bad in the photos.

Shame to gut renovate. Then what are you saving?

Brenda, BrooklynGreene, Minard, any chance you're coming to the Oct. 15 meetup? It'd be great to meet you. We're fixing up a little wood frame house in Bed Stuy on the cheap. Doing an electrical upgrade, mainly.

Posted by: mopar at September 29, 2009 10:52 PM

Count me in on an old frame rehabber's 12-step meeting. My name is S.L and it's been three years since my last joist was sistered.

Mopar, I see a peeling radiator under the window. Are you looking at a tiny spot to the right of that? It looks like its on the baseboard. May just be schmutz.

Posted by: slopefarm at September 30, 2009 9:02 AM

Mopar,
When and where is the happy hour going to be next? It would be funny to go.

Posted by: BrooklynGreene at September 30, 2009 11:25 AM

Now's the time for a banker still pulling down those crazy bonuses to take this on as a labor of love. Deep pockets. That's the only way this can work. But really, what's $1.5 mil (or less) to save a beautiful antebellum house with a perfect view of the NYC marathon route? Give it to your "arty" 22-yr-old kid as a college graduation gift. It would be one sweet house if done properly.

Posted by: grand army at September 30, 2009 12:55 PM

Slopefarm, lol. Re mold, kinda looks like mold growing on the radiator cover. But who knows from a tiny photo.

Grand Army, I like your vision.

Posted by: mopar at September 30, 2009 4:06 PM

BrooklynGreene, they seem to have sadly cancelled the Oct. 15 meetup.

Posted by: mopar at September 30, 2009 4:07 PM

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