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September 24, 2009
House of the Day: 786 Putnam Avenue
This house at 786 Putnam Avenue is a real charmer. Tons of original detail, including some beautiful parquet floors and a killer staircase. The house is also located in just outside Stuyvesant Heights, the longtime-landmarked section of Bed Stuy with one of the most incredible and well-preserved stock of old houses anywhere. The house is only three stories, though, so it'll be interesting to see if it fetches its asking price of $799,000. We bet it'll get pretty close.
786 Putnam Avenue [Douglas Elliman] GMAP P*Shark
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Very nice house.
I can see this being snapped up quickly.
Cool sink in one of the bathrooms.
Posted by: 11217 at September 24, 2009 1:20 PM
I don't see much to complain about. This one won't last. Great block, beautiful house.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 24, 2009 1:21 PM
Great looking house. Not actually in the Stuyvesant Heights historic district but fairly close. Not too close to the subway either. But still, that is a lot of nice house for a decent price. I think that they can get 700,000 even for this.
Posted by: wasder at September 24, 2009 1:21 PM
Not up on Bed Stuy comps but that sure seems like a lot of house for the money. Don't see a floorplan (?)
I suppose if you need a renter to help carry the mortgage this isn't for you, but as a single family...
Posted by: denton at September 24, 2009 1:23 PM
If only I had the down payment...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at September 24, 2009 1:27 PM
Floor Plan layout is not so great.
- Why would they label the back room on the parlor floor 'bedroom'?
- or need a bathroom with a double sinks on the parlor floor?
Odd choice for me.
- Would rather have the kitchen and a small powder room on the parlor floor, and the bedroom on the garden level.
- Or do a garden level rental.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 1:28 PM
I don't give flying raccoon, the price range is attainable for normal people...
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at September 24, 2009 1:31 PM
While I love the woodwork, I hate that it's painted blue.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 1:31 PM
Compared to that limestone house on Stuy Ave opposite the fulton park sold for low 500k's, this looks expensive. on it's own, this is a nice looking house and one would think it could get close to ask. really cant get a good handle on BS prices. The range is really all over the place.
nice looking house though. move-in condition too
Posted by: more4less at September 24, 2009 1:31 PM
It doesn't get much better than this in terms of quality for price, folks. No, I don't really like the kitchen but that's nitpicking.
It is not in Stuy heights historic district. It's a 6 minute walk to the A train and there's a smallish supermarket around the corner on malcolm X. It's a quiet street.
2,558 sq ft (same as mine) so at $799k that's $312 psf. Pretty good deal for the architectural detail and all new systems INCLUDING central A/C.
This won't last.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 1:32 PM
oh and for the master bedroom on the Third floor, they should have added a full bathroom, not just a sink!
okay, I'll stop nitpicking......Love all the details though.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 1:34 PM
Expert...where are you seeing a floorplan?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at September 24, 2009 1:36 PM
Well... two things.
(1) $800,000 is only "attainable for normal people" in this crazy world we call New York City... and, related to that, the definition of "normal people" is certainly a *very* small subset of the people that actually live in New York City -- very small.
(2) I think black people live in that neighborhood.
Posted by: tybur6 at September 24, 2009 1:36 PM
I love the bathrooms. Love the masterbed room shower.
Posted by: A CrownHeightsLady at September 24, 2009 1:36 PM
Nevermind...I found it.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at September 24, 2009 1:37 PM
I finally found the floorplan. it's within the Virtual Tour link.
They did some weird stuff putting that big bath and bedroom on the parlour level. I don't like garden level kitchens.
It does have a CofO for a 2 family....basement & parlour is one unit and top floor the other. Switch them around, put a kitchen on the parlour level and you got a nice place with income.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 1:38 PM
DIBS---hate to sound nitpicky but that is a full 10 blocks from the Utica A stop. Don't think anyone could walk that in 6 minutes.
Posted by: wasder at September 24, 2009 1:38 PM
I bet the discount will be 5% or less. This is a VERY nice house.
Posted by: moreteasir at September 24, 2009 1:39 PM
Floor plan:
On broker's site, go to Virtual Tour.
Floor plan tab in upper right hand corner.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 1:39 PM
DIBS, I said the same thing 10 minutes earlier as your 1:38, Geez!
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 1:41 PM
this is a tasteful livable interior--doesn't look like a flip for ripping the nouveau riche housewives. Unfortunately the market is collapsing.
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 1:43 PM
wasder, i'm at halsey & Stuyvesant and i do it in 4 minutes.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 1:43 PM
I think I might have liked the renovation on paper, but not so much in reality. Can a bathroom be a little TOO en suite? I dont want to see the toilet from my bed. And that room/shower thing is not to my taste -- not with this tile choice anyway. And the floorplan is a little whack. For the money, I think you need to fall in love with it as is. I wouldn't be surprised if someone does.
Posted by: Ringo at September 24, 2009 1:43 PM
Unfortunately the market is collapsing.
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 1:43 PM
Really??? Care to show us some data????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 1:44 PM
Just saw the floorplan. I like the house and the layout...hopefully the seller can sell it for close to asking.
Posted by: A CrownHeightsLady at September 24, 2009 1:45 PM
"Can a bathroom be a little TOO en suite? I dont want to see the toilet from my bed."
I thought the very same thing. I guess it could be helpful on those drunken evenings when you can only make it a few paces before your stomach evicts the tequila.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at September 24, 2009 1:46 PM
Gorgeous and perfect house. This is not in the historic district. I believe it is overpriced, but it all depends -- maybe someone will fall in love and snap it up. This house has everything, including new mechanicals, and is in move-in condition.
I've seen a lot of once-similar places in not as nice condition with asking prices of about $600,000 that might take $500,000 in reality. There are quite a few abandoned places around, and it's also next to a row of big churches, which is nice. Friends of mine live just down the block.
I would also like to see a floorplan to find out if this is a one-family chopped into two or a true two-family. The true two families have original bedrooms and bathrooms on the parlor floor. The layouts are great.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 1:47 PM
OOooooooo....nice house and it's a single family! I'd love this. I don't think it'll be around long unless it's got a litany of mechanical issues.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 24, 2009 1:47 PM
"this is a tasteful livable interior--doesn't look like a flip for ripping the nouveau riche housewives. Unfortunately the market is collapsing."
I agree it is a tasteful redo BUT WHY IS THE MARKET STILL COLLAPSING?
Posted by: A CrownHeightsLady at September 24, 2009 1:48 PM
"Really??? Care to show us some data????"
Housing Crash to Resume on 7 Million Foreclosures, Amherst Says
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aw6_gqc0EKKg
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 1:48 PM
It's a hike to the train. Dave, you must be a fast walker! And this is definitely further.
Posted by: rf at September 24, 2009 1:49 PM
Again, floorplan is on the Virtual Tour link and it has a CofO for a 2 famiily.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 1:49 PM
More4Less, the place opposite the park sold for $500,000? Is this the one listed with Corcoran for a million or so? I seem to recall it was smaller, two floors and an unfinished cellar, but I'm not sure. This is three stories plus a cellar.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 1:49 PM
"Really??? Care to show us some data????"
September Rents Fall Further in Manhattan
http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2009/09/23/september-rents-fall-further-in-manhattan/
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 1:51 PM
This house in not in the Stuyvesant Heights Landmark District but it is in Stuyvesant Heights. I think this house should go for in the high 600s there are other homes on that block that look the same and have an extra floor that is cheaper. This is a great block and it will be landmarked we hope soon. The Bedford Stuyvesant landmark committee has photographed this block and has submitted the package to Landmarks. This block will be part of the Stuyvesant North Historic District. This is truly one of the nicest blocks in brownstone Brooklyn you really feel the turn of the century as you walk down it....
Posted by: Amzi Hill at September 24, 2009 1:52 PM
Overall very nice house. Almost feel like the house was over-improved for the location (not that I love all of the choices, a little fussy in places for my taste), though. Maybe the sellers intended to be there longer.
Posted by: belleville at September 24, 2009 1:52 PM
"Really??? Care to show us some data????"
Housing Recovery Obstacle: So Many Houses
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125374552378835617.html#mod=WSJ_hps_MIDDLESecondNews
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 1:53 PM
bkplebe...you're no match for the What with the cut and paste. I'd like to see the geographic diversity of those 7 MM homes.
mopar, I think that one sold for a lot more than $500k
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 1:53 PM
Oh, I found the floorplan (hidden inside Virtual Tour). It is a one family. Curious choice to put a bathroom next to the formal dining room and call that a bedroom.
Anyway, awfully pretty house. Who knows, maybe they'll get their price -- which I assume is actually between $680,000 and $720,000. It is aggressive for the location but the house is impeccable.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 1:55 PM
"Really??? Care to show us some data????"
Fed will slow efforts to aid housing sector
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/09/24/fed_will_slow_efforts_to_aid_housing_sector/
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 1:55 PM
Mind you, it's MILES from the subway (Gates at Broadway). That ought to knock out a hefty chunk of change from ask.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 1:56 PM
you asked me and I obliged
you should thank me--I takes some times to find those!
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 1:57 PM
bklplebe - What do you think this house will sell for?
Posted by: moreteasir at September 24, 2009 1:57 PM
mopar: it would make sense to use the Utica A express stop, which is only 8 or 9 blocks away.
Posted by: belleville at September 24, 2009 1:57 PM
bkplebe, let it go. It's not a collapse and you trying to sound like the What just doesn't cut it.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 1:58 PM
Nice house. But what is the finish on the dining room woodwork? Black or blue cerused oak or something or a really bad stain job?
Posted by: tinarina at September 24, 2009 1:58 PM
Mopar, it's about the same distance to the A/C at Utica.
Posted by: rf at September 24, 2009 1:58 PM
"Housing Recovery Obstacle: So Many Houses "
How many single family/2fam houses were built in Brownstone Brooklyn during the boom?
Posted by: denton at September 24, 2009 2:00 PM
bklplebe, the Fed is slowing their efforts because the market is improving. Yeesh.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 2:00 PM
"(2) I think black people live in that neighborhood."
I'm hoping that was sarcasm regarding the true affordability of this place, ty, but don't forget us black folks got money too. White yuppies/families aren't the only people looking for houses. Black or Latin people would be just as amenable to living here as anyone else, if not more so.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 24, 2009 2:01 PM
yeah, mopar that 2 story one (believe corco listed it at 799k before listing got yanked).
DIBS, got that scoop from the resident BS expert here who gets invited frequently to dinners & lunches while strolling the streets.
Posted by: more4less at September 24, 2009 2:03 PM
I'm 5 blocks from the Fulton Park entance to the A train. I walk fast and it takes me 4 minutes. This house is one more block north and less than a half block east.
6 minutes, 8 if you're slow, 15 if your fussing with a kid that doesn't want to sit in the stroller.
END OF DISCUSSION
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:03 PM
oh please one shows what the trend is and becomes the what
as for this house, I honestly wish the owner gets rewarded for his/her taste-care-respect. More profit or less loss than the atrocities usually posted.
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 2:04 PM
tinarina, that's the same wainscoting that I have on the garden level. It's oak. It looks to be a bad faux antiquing job. Paint over it and call it a day.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:05 PM
It's 9 blocks to the A/C and 6 blocks to the J/Z. On the bright side the house is surrounded by buses that can get you to the train a hell of a lot faster then walking.
Posted by: A CrownHeightsLady at September 24, 2009 2:06 PM
Funny....8 blocks away TOO FAR!
1 block away TOO CLOSE!
Life is too short to be so miserable.
Posted by: moreteasir at September 24, 2009 2:06 PM
Except for the island in the kitchen and the stainless steel appliances, this house is beautiful. Agree that the floorplan is a little weird, but it can always be reconfigured (yes, I know, at a cost). I don't know Bed Stuy prices, but this seems well-priced, and I'd definitely consider it, especially if it means living close to DIBS.
But, the hard-to-find floorplan and the photos don't mesh --what they're calling the Master Bathroom is adjacent to what they're calling the 2nd Bedroom (and both appear to be on the Parlor Floor), and what they're calling the Second Bathroom has a window overlooking the garden that doesn't exist on the floorplan (and is apparently in what the floorplan labels a bedroom). Also note that the bizarre shower in the 2nd Bathroom with no tub or enclosure - there's a drain in the floor, a showerhead coming down from the ceiling, and another shower head and faucets on the wall.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 2:07 PM
A CrownHeightsLady...you are wrong. It's 6 1/2 blocks to the A stop which you enter on Stuyvesant & Fulton.
I ended this discussion at 2:03. If you don't live here please try not to add erroneous talk about how far it is to the subway.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:08 PM
"bklplebe, the Fed is slowing their efforts because the market is improving. Yeesh."
no--they are slowing because as slow sales show there is no effect. They also realize that they cannot keep housing unaffordable and the bubble going. People need to consume/invest.
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 2:08 PM
CGar, i'd go back and reread the floorplans if I were you. The two bedrooms are on the top floor. There is a bedroom with the largest bathroom, the one with the shower at the end, on the Parlour Floor.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:10 PM
DIBS: Sorry but how is it 6 1/2 blocks? That would only get you to Decatur, and as far as I know there is not subway entrance there.
Posted by: belleville at September 24, 2009 2:12 PM
bklplebe..your arguments on the economy are just mumbo jumbo and no one here cares.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:13 PM
"This house is one more block north"
DIBS I saw your end of discussion line and all but if you are at Halsey this house is three more blocks to the north. Not that its a deal-killer but its less than ideal to the subway. That's all I am saying.
Posted by: wasder at September 24, 2009 2:15 PM
"A CrownHeightsLady...you are wrong. It's 6 1/2 blocks to the A stop which you enter on Stuyvesant & Fulton.
I ended this discussion at 2:03. If you don't live here please try not to add erroneous talk about how far it is to the subway."
The blocks are as followed:
Putnam
Jefferson
Hancock
Halsey
Macon
MacDonough
decatur
Banbridge
Chauncey
Then Fulton
And if you include the half a block you have to walk to get to Stuyvesant...it's 9 and 1/2 blocks.
Posted by: A CrownHeightsLady at September 24, 2009 2:15 PM
"On the bright side the house is surrounded by buses that can get you to the train a hell of a lot faster then walking."
No bus can get you anywhere faster than walking, not at DIBS pace, which is pretty much my pace (20 blocks/mile, 1+ blocks per minute).
Posted by: denton at September 24, 2009 2:16 PM
CGar...on the floor plans, there are little arrows, if you scroll over them a picture of that area pops up.
Nice details
Odd layout choices
Too far/close enough to the train
Not getting ask.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 2:16 PM
Ha Montrose! Yes, it was sarcasm... and it was actually meant in a *different* racist sense (i.e., the price should be a lot lower because you have to "deal" with black folks), but your take was a little more nuanced.
Oh well, I guess I should stick with the usual unintentional and subconscious racism from now on!
Posted by: tybur6 at September 24, 2009 2:17 PM
Oh, this is on Putnam. Sorry, I had it confused with a house I saw on Hancock.
it's stll less than 10 minutes to the A stop.
Sorry. But it's still less than 10 minutes
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:17 PM
Yes, 9 1/2 blocks and like the old man denton, I can do at least 1 1/2 blocks per minute so that means it's a 6.3 minute walk.
Sorry about the Putnam/Hancock mixup. it looks just like one I'm thinking of on kancock. And, putnam is probably a nicer looking block too
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:20 PM
That's not a ten minute walk...Come on.
Posted by: A CrownHeightsLady at September 24, 2009 2:20 PM
Dave, I did. Take a look, and tell me you don't see a 3rd bedroom in the floorplan on the top floor, which actually appears to be the bathroom with the funky shower overlooking the garden, and there's no top floor bathroom configured as the 2 baths are shown on the floorplan.
I think the bath with the funky shower at the end is actually the third "bedroom" on the top floor, and the bath with the tub at the end, beneath the window, is actually the one on the Parlour (or Parlor) Floor. LOL.
In any case, I want to see this house in person.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 2:20 PM
"it looks just like one I'm thinking of on kancock."
More confusion.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 2:22 PM
"I'm thinking of on kancock"
DIBS, were you at that demonstration with those guys from Kansas? It appears you may have 'turned' one.
Posted by: denton at September 24, 2009 2:22 PM
This is not "just outside" the historic district it is five blocks away. And five blocks make all the difference. I doubt this will go for ask. People are hurting out there. Maybe not in Park Slope or in Cobble Hill, but in other places. I don't think a house on this block will fetch three quarters of a million dollars. Not until the economy improves.
Posted by: Minard Lafever at September 24, 2009 2:24 PM
Oh for crying out loud, CGar.
The bathroom with the shower and 'funky' sink is on the garden level.
The bathroom with the two sinks is on the Parlor level.
Get your stories straight :-)
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 2:24 PM
kancock...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZX9Rv_2_C0
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:25 PM
Is this a dangerous neighborhood? It looks like somebody jacked the tub in that lower level bathroom.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 24, 2009 2:26 PM
"Dave, I did. Take a look, and tell me you don't see a 3rd bedroom in the floorplan on the top floor, which actually appears to be the bathroom with the funky shower overlooking the garden, and there's no top floor bathroom configured as the 2 baths are shown on the floorplan."
MORE & MORE CONFUSION....
That "funky bathroom" is not on the 3rd level. It's on the ground level next to the kitchen.
(sigh)
Posted by: A CrownHeightsLady at September 24, 2009 2:26 PM
Thanks, Expert. Hadn't noticed the little arrows. So I'm right about the Parlor Floor bath and bedroom (I was going by the room labels that pop up when you're looking only at the photos), but wrong about what I thought was the other top floor bath, and there appear to be no pics of either top floor bath. Phew. Y'know me, Expert, I'm very easily confused!! ; )
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 2:27 PM
"bklplebe..your arguments on the economy are just mumbo jumbo and no one here cares. "
They are not my arguments and you are not everyone. Some people reading the comments might believe that those houses are the bargains of the century--just trying to put some perspective through links which, let me remind you, you solicited.
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 2:27 PM
It seems the two fags are confused today. One can't get his stories straight and the other needs to walk the streets more often.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:27 PM
ROFL, Expert! Thank you, Expert, Dave, and CrownHeightsLady for clearing up my confusion (at least regarding the layout of this house).
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 2:28 PM
Expert, it's a funky shower, NOT a funky sink! ; )
"It looks like somebody jacked the tub in that lower level bathroom."
ROFL, Snark. BTW, I'll send you the contractor info.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 2:31 PM
Yes, CHL, the two sink one with the antique tub is on the parlour level. And the funky one with no shower curtain is on the ground level.
Top floor has 1 and a half baths.
Weird bathrooms in weird places all around, don't you agree???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:31 PM
Streetwalking fags? I thought Giuliani got rid of all of them?!
Posted by: tybur6 at September 24, 2009 2:32 PM
"It seems the two fags are confused today. One can't get his stories straight and the other needs to walk the streets more often."
That deserves a ROTFLMMFAO, dave! (It's dangerous for me to leave the OT)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 2:32 PM
Why a half bath on the top floor when the other floors all have full baths????
Good its there though so you can move kitchen to that parlour floor bathroom. Easy to do, very little plumbing necessary.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:33 PM
Dave, maybe you should get your stories straight and CGar walk the streets.
That will be a switch!
:-)
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 2:33 PM
DIBS, rather than being combative and ornery, why don't you count the blocks on Google Maps?
Start with Putnam. Then you have:
Jefferson, Hancock, Halsey, Macon, Macdonough, Decatur, Bainbridge, Chauncey, Marion, Fulton.
Marion->Fulton is pretty short though.
Some extra difference comes into play because you're one block west and the grid there is skewed relative to Fulton St.
Aside: How many arguments start here because DIBS is going from memory instead of checking a reliable source?
Posted by: northridger at September 24, 2009 2:34 PM
"Top floor has 1 and a half baths."
That's not a half bath. It's only a sink, that's half bad.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 2:34 PM
"you are not everyone"
But, he is, bklplebe. We took a vote.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 2:35 PM
I didn't really solicit it bklplebe. It was kind of a rhetorical question to this crap...
Unfortunately the market is collapsing.
Posted by: bklplebe at September 24, 2009 1:43 PM
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:35 PM
northridger, why don't you read all the posts including the one where I apologized because i was mixing this house up with one I just saw on Hancock.
Now who looks like the fool???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:37 PM
The 1/2 bath you are referring to on the top level is only a sink. Many homes in brownstone BK have bedrooms with sinks in them or in a closet.
Some would think the bathroom on the ground level is a bit odd but it's fine. Maybe the new owner will put a tub or standup shower stall in there. Whatever the case, the work and hardware used are very nice.
Posted by: A CrownHeightsLady at September 24, 2009 2:38 PM
Walking down Stuyvesant is a pretty nice walk to the A/C. Those are pretty short blocks. It is kinda the same as walking down 8th to the. really grand homes on both sides... I hope you all make it out to the Crown Heights and Bedford Stuyvesant house tours next month...
Posted by: Amzi Hill at September 24, 2009 2:40 PM
I think yesterday's or Tuesday's HOTD had sinks in the two bathrooms as well.
I like shower stalls like that one on the ground level....big, drain in floor, no need for a curtain really.
It has a shower, CHL, you can see the shower head coming down...one of those "rain" ones.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:41 PM
Very much agree, Amzi. The walk down Stuyvesant is very nice. People keep the sidewalks and gutters clean and the sidewalks are all new.
It's really a joy coming home from work and exiting in Fulton Park and walking up that street. very quiet too. There's not really that much traffic on Stuyvesant, and no buses.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:45 PM
why not try that hopstop website and see how long they say it takes.
Posted by: Petebklyn at September 24, 2009 2:45 PM
DIBS, something like 40 extra posts came in as I was reading, so I didn't see them. Again, you're jumping to conclusions.
Any observation from a long time lurker: about 75% of the time you appear to give good advice here based on a your experience. About 25% of the time you wing it and make a WAG based loosely on experience that's usually not directly relevant to what's being discussed. The problem: you don't tell people when you're talking from experience and when you're guessing. And you seem to often have little memory glitches, like this one.
Plus you post constantly, resulting in large volume.
The result: A very large stream of data that's probably mostly good, but with an unknown amount of garbage mixed in. This means your overall reliability is constantly in question.
You would do yourself an immense favor if you slowed down on your posting in two ways: 1) if you're guessing, say so. Don't be authorative in areas you know little/nothing about. And 2) don't go by memory. You seem to have two or more posts a week saying "oops, there goes that bad memory again".
Who looks like the fool?
Posted by: northridger at September 24, 2009 2:46 PM
Yes Dave I saw it. I suggested the tub or a structured shower stall for others who don't like the open feel. I actually like it.
Posted by: A CrownHeightsLady at September 24, 2009 2:46 PM
Because they probably don't walk as fast as you, me and denton, Pete.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:46 PM
"I think yesterday's or Tuesday's HOTD had sinks in the two bathrooms as well."
Confused again, Dave.
The sinks in yesterday's HOTD were in the BEDROOMS.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at September 24, 2009 2:47 PM
> It seems the two fags are confused today.
Indeed. I count at least three confirmed FOD on this thread.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 24, 2009 2:49 PM
but, northridger, for some of us, it's all part of dave's charm
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 2:49 PM
I'll take that under consideration, northridger. LOL
Yes, Textpert, apparently I typed too fast. As northridger has pointed out, my memory is fading too.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:50 PM
Dave is right - as per google maps, walking directions say it's .5 miles in 10 minutes to go from 786 putnam to utica/fulton
Posted by: dirty_hipster at September 24, 2009 2:52 PM
Snark, care to weigh in on the blue faux antiquing job on the wainscoting??? Other than that, I like lots of what they did. The kitchen however looks a bit cobbled.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:52 PM
dh, and Utica/Fulton corner is a full minute BEYOND the entrance in Fulton Park.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:54 PM
bklplebe, I don't understand your comments. Market is improving slightly, Fed already deeply in debt, they want to ease off but they don't want to cause collapse by pulling out suddenly, hence they're slowly pulling out.
Re house, hope they reinforced that chimney before digging out to fit in 36-wide stove!
Kitchen cupboards might actually not be so great, but hard to tell on small photos.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 2:55 PM
Dave, my bathroom and floorplan confusion aside, I agree with you on re-doing the wainscoting, and I'm not wild about the kitchen, but were I to buy this house, I'd move the kitchen up to the Parlour/Parlor Floor (just don't tell 'shillstoner).
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 2:56 PM
No one has commented about the 5 working woodburning & gas fireplaces. That is awesome and took a lot of money to accomplish.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 2:57 PM
This is a good read on the state of the Manhattan Market:
http://www.urbandigs.com/2009/09/looking_at_todays_manhattan_ma.html
Posted by: 11217 at September 24, 2009 2:59 PM
oh, a toto toilet... great for friends of dorothy.
but the sofa facing the bed ..must be exibitionists.
Posted by: Petebklyn at September 24, 2009 3:03 PM
CGar...mine is on the parlour floor. It is more than enough space where it is. Essentially, it is fit inside that side room where they have the bathroom on the parlour floor. So it's about 7' X 12'. The double doors are still there like they are in the parlour photo here.
I use the adjacent back part of the parlour as the TV/ family room and the front parlour is so long that there's more than enough space for the formal living room arounsd the fireplace and a formal dining table for 6. It's a round table so it tucks into the corner nicely and I pull it out and add the leaf when i need to.
It works quite well as long as you have a 20' wide house
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 3:04 PM
I'm more of a Kohler man, myself, Pete.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 3:05 PM
> Snark, care to weigh in on the blue faux antiquing job
Ghastly but should be fixable. I agree that the kitchen looks to be cobbled (no offense, ch) together from spare parts. Not digging the bathroom fixtures. The stairs, mantles and facade look nice though.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 24, 2009 3:12 PM
I agree, from the pic the brownstone facade looks nice, entryway too. I'm not sure but is there carpetting on the stoop??? Something greenish it looks like.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 3:13 PM
Dave is right - as per google maps, walking directions say it's .5 miles in 10 minutes to go from 786 putnam to utica/fulton
Posted by: dirty_hipster at September 24, 2009 2:52 PM
DIBS said it was a 6-minute walk in his original post.
Posted by: rf at September 24, 2009 3:18 PM
rf, try and keep up. In my original post i was cionfusing this with Hancock Street. :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 3:23 PM
check the color settings on your monitor...I don't see any green. But right, that faux blue reminds of the work some unnamed artist that would put a curbcut and garage in historic home/block might dream up.
Posted by: Petebklyn at September 24, 2009 3:28 PM
Dave, I like the way your house is set up. That's what I'd do, unless I used the rear parlor as a formal dining room. (And I'd remove the astroturf from the stoop post haste.)
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 3:33 PM
Nice lightfixture in that room.
Posted by: moreteasir at September 24, 2009 3:37 PM
CGar, you see that green stuff on the stoop too??? I can't figure out exactly what it is. The rest of the facade looks really nice.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 3:38 PM
green steps = algae... I just washed mine off today...
Posted by: Amzi Hill at September 24, 2009 3:39 PM
Amzi, I was thinking that but it looks so even in its covering of the steps. Oh well, probably no big deal anyway.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 3:40 PM
That some thick, perfect coat of algae there!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 24, 2009 3:43 PM
Whatever that green stuff is/was, it doesn't seem to appear in the listing photos.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 24, 2009 3:51 PM
I think Mr. B always uses the propertyshark photo.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 3:53 PM
Bkplebe,
I appreciate your cut-and-paste news, and I thank you for taking the time to find them.
Posted by: Pigeon at September 24, 2009 3:59 PM
yeah the green stuff is not on the google image... all that said this is going to be a great house for someone...
Posted by: Amzi Hill at September 24, 2009 4:00 PM
Yeah, those working fireplaces blow my mind.
Question: Where do you think the exhaust for the heat goes, if not up the chimneys?
Second question: Where do you think they're hiding all the ductwork for the HVAC they mention?
Also note all the cable and Internet in every room, blah blah. Very cool.
I'm in the process of hiring an electrician, and so far they say I'll wire telephone but don't know anything about cable for Internet. I'm like WHAT? Are you living in 1965?
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 4:21 PM
The more I see of this house, the more I like it. I am just drooling away. This is one of the best houses I have ever seen.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 4:21 PM
"The more I see of this house, the more I like it. I am just drooling away. This is one of the best houses I have ever seen." (mopar)
YOUR house WILL be one of the best houses you have ever seen.
Posted by: Nomi at September 24, 2009 4:51 PM
I prefer to call it patina not algae, thank you.
Posted by: Petebklyn at September 24, 2009 5:00 PM
Oh, you are so sweet, Nomi!!!
But we don't have the wainscotting in the hall, nor the new HVAC, nor the new waste pipe, nor the working fireplaces, nor the fancy new tiled baths. Most of our woodwork has been painted over. The exterior, front door, and windows are sad stories. Other than that, though, it's perfect. :)
We do have all the original built-in cupboards and closets that were presumably taken out of this house to expand the kitchen and bathroom on the first floor. And everything else original to the house.
I'm not complaining!
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 5:02 PM
Yes, Pete, but how do you pronounce it??
pa-tin-a or
pa-teen-a
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 24, 2009 5:03 PM
Nicely renovated, but I don't get out they installed the Central hearing/air without using at least one line of chimeys. Maybe they had an old dumbwaiter line and popped through to the roof.
OTOH, I don't get having such a grand bathroom next to the kitchen with no BR's on that floor. Although I guess it makes sense to have the semi-shower there -- almost like a beach house shower to rinse off after coming in from the garden.
I too much prefer the rear parlor kitchen approach (especially with a deck off the rear).
Posted by: Boerumresident at September 24, 2009 5:15 PM
I am happy to see that this "Stuyvesant Heights" house having so much buzz... The price is a bit more in reach for most people... This house should not stay on the market long. The price should go for something near the Average Reader Appraisal in the low 700s
Posted by: Amzi Hill at September 24, 2009 5:17 PM
Boerumresident I think the house might have had forced air heating. This house looks like a Amzi Hill house where he is known to have used forced air.. many of his houses still use this method of heating...
Posted by: Amzi Hill at September 24, 2009 5:22 PM
Ooooooh can you install central air and heating together in a chimney? And not have any ductwork in the house?
Maybe we need to be more ambitious in our spending, ha ha.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 5:40 PM
If you have a one family and don't need to put the kitchen on the parlor floor, I really like the old-fashioned approach of keeping it near the garden. Keeps all that messy coal and firewood out of sight.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 5:41 PM
A lot of these homes where orginally designed for a forced air. Have you ever noticed a register grill in the parlor hall, or behind some old sheet rock near a mantle?
Posted by: jack slade at September 24, 2009 5:42 PM
Odd -- I tried to submit a price to the widget and got a note saying I've already voted and can't submit again. I haven't!
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 5:44 PM
In this wireless age, why in the world would you wire for tel. or internet? I feel like wiring for technology is an idea whose time has passed.
Posted by: Ringo at September 24, 2009 5:49 PM
You'd wire for cable Internet, TV and telephone, so you can get it coming into your house. Then you add a wireless router to the mix, so you can have wireless in any room.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 5:58 PM
You're telling me the cable guys don't know how to bring a cable line into your house? That is weird.
Posted by: Ringo at September 24, 2009 6:44 PM
ringo, you are dead wrong. wired is far faster and more stable than wireless. And the point is, it's almost free to wire if you are doing other work, so why not do it. Like Mopar said, you can still add a wireless router to the mix if you choose. Or a slingbox or whatever. I wired my house for two phone lines, one cable line, and one ethernet port in every room.
BTW I put 810k in the widget.
Mopar, I'll email you about the wiring and another thing or two.
Posted by: denton at September 24, 2009 6:49 PM
Wow, 810 K!
I would have put in $650,000 if I were allowed to vote. My theory is that it's worth $100K more than the other not as nice ones. Then again, someone may come along and pay $720,000. Who knows. I'm sure they spent more, but no matter what you spend, you're not going to change the price scale of a particular location.
Thanks Denton, I'll check.
Posted by: mopar at September 24, 2009 7:05 PM
"If you have a one family and don't need to put the kitchen on the parlor floor, I really like the old-fashioned approach of keeping it near the garden. Keeps all that messy coal and firewood out of sight."
So, mopar, you'll be using firewood in your new (old) kitchen on your cast iron wood burning stove? You have to chop up the pieces pretty small for some of those old stoves. You're gunna get muscles.
Will you be dressed in turn-of-the-century garb?
Posted by: Nomi at September 24, 2009 10:58 PM
Block is decent but towards the corner of Malcolm X is sketchy, the usual characters hanging out. Apart from a small cafe, absolutely nothing, no decent groceries, sit down restaurants, nowhere near the A-train, and walking on Malcolm X after hours is never fun.
Posted by: Crownlfc at September 24, 2009 11:07 PM
Crownlfc...as we determined above, it's less than 10 minutes from the A train and you walk up Stuyvesant Ave from Fulton Park.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 25, 2009 8:15 AM
Yes, Nomi, it has always been my dream to be a docent in a historical reenactment museum. When we are finished with our non-renovation, we will be sure to let you know where you can buy tickets.
Posted by: mopar at September 27, 2009 11:11 AM
P.S. Rides in the dumbwaiter for the kiddies.
Posted by: mopar at September 27, 2009 11:11 AM
I just remembered to check this. Yay! Can't wait. Am I too big for the dumbwaiter?
Posted by: Nomi at September 28, 2009 3:45 AM
All are welcome, Nomi!
Posted by: mopar at September 29, 2009 11:28 PM
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