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September 14, 2009
House of the Day: 591 2nd Street
We're in love! This limestone house at 591 2nd Street in Park Slope appears to be perfect in just about every way. It has full-on original charm but has also been updated tastefully and thoroughly. For once, we even like the new kitchen! It'll be pretty interesting to see whether such a perfectly appointed pad can crack the $3 million mark. (In this case, the asking price is actually $3,200,000.) We'll be surprised, but we don't think it'll miss by much.
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i think it's funny when i tell people who arent from nyc that i live in a neighborhood with row houses can cost upwards of 3 million dollars. they say youre crazy youre so ghetto i dont believe you youre making that up! and i laugh and tell them it's a very crack infested neighborhood.
seriously tho, these prices are just ridiculous and unsustainable.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 1:17 PM
Sorry, Rob....Park Slope has gone through ups and downs, but it's always been like this.
"The 1890 census showed Park Slope to be the richest community in the United States"
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 1:24 PM
why are you quote statistics from the 1890s? :-/
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 1:28 PM
The dog-leg stair on the main floor is nice,allowing for a more inviting entrance hall. Not a big fan of the kichen, but it's not horrid. Wish it was closer to the park for over 3 million.
Posted by: FloatingWorld at September 14, 2009 1:30 PM
Closer to the park?
It's between 8th Avenue and Prospect Park West. It's literally steps from the Park.
Gorgeous house. Best I've seen profiled here in a while. It looks pristine.
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 1:33 PM
This is indeed one of those dream homes, guess I should have gone into finance.
The very top floor seems to have many rooms...maybe it appears very charming but maybe I'd want to knock out a wall to enlarge a space.
But that is the ONLY thing, and I could be talked out of it easily enough I'm sure.
Posted by: infinitejester at September 14, 2009 1:35 PM
Agreed. That is a real beauty. it has most all the bells & whistles: parlour level formal dining room, kitchen with nice granite & SS appliances.
The lack of an ensuite bathroom can be forgiven by the fact that the master bedroom is the only one on that floor. But that bathroom could be larger. I'm not complaining, just nitpicking and when someone pays close to $3.0 MM it should have ALL the bells and whistles.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 1:36 PM
Am I missing something? There are 2 interior pics and the kitchen shot. How do you even have enough info to write "appears to be perfect in just about every way"?
Posted by: NorthHeights at September 14, 2009 1:37 PM
Beautiful. Though kitchen feels austere to me. And I wish instead of two exterior pictures, there was at least one of an upstairs room.
Posted by: Nomi at September 14, 2009 1:38 PM
The English Basement with Family Room, Kitchen, Full bath, Gym, Sauna, Wine Closet and Maid's room is especially sweet.
You could have guests stay down there and never even know they're there.
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 1:40 PM
a pooper in one's bedroom is NOT a bells and whistles dave. ew!
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 1:40 PM
I understand your use of the word "austere", Nomi. But I bet in real life, the warmth of the cherry and the African granite are quite a combination
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 1:40 PM
Backyard is awesome...and it has african granite countertops in the kitchen, which I assume are more expensive than regular granite.
However, there doesn't seem to be a master bedroom with an en suite bathroom. wtf?
Posted by: dirty_hipster at September 14, 2009 1:42 PM
GOR-GE-OUS!
I can't even stand it it's so lovely.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 14, 2009 1:45 PM
quote:
However, there doesn't seem to be a master bedroom with an en suite bathroom. wtf?
perhaps the original owners had TASTE!? i've said it 500 times already on this site. a bathroom in your badroom is tacky and gauche!
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 1:45 PM
dh, as long as that "Library/Bedroom" remains a library then the whole floor can be considered the master suite.
The powder room at the top of the stairs is a nice idea but takes space away from the master bathroom.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 1:46 PM
this is nice but I see more value for the 4th place house the other day which was 800k cheaper
Posted by: more4less at September 14, 2009 1:46 PM
I count SEVEN fireplaces!
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 1:46 PM
"The lack of an ensuite bathroom can be forgiven by the fact that the master bedroom is the only one on that floor. But that bathroom could be larger. I'm not complaining, just nitpicking and when someone pays close to $3.0 MM it should have ALL the bells and whistles."
I'm shocked that you've relaxed your bad taste and need for suburban comforts. Go on vacation, and the whole world collapses!
Other than the tacky kitchen island, this looks nicely done.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 1:47 PM
"I understand your use of the word "austere", Nomi. But I bet in real life, the warmth of the cherry and the African granite are quite a combination"
Yes, you're probably right. It could be the color of the walls that's bothering me? But that might be different in life also.
Posted by: Nomi at September 14, 2009 1:47 PM
Only 1 kitchen??
Just kidding. Looks great.
If I could ever afford to dump a whole bunch of money on an old building, it would be something like this.
I think I'd have rip out the dining room/library/bedroom fireplaces and put in a dumb waiter so Jeeves could send up my drinks and a light snack without thumping up and down the stairs.
Posted by: northsloperenter at September 14, 2009 1:48 PM
I thought the dining room had to be in the basement, shillstoner. It seems someone else has relaxed and given in to what is proper, traditional and formal.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 1:51 PM
Northsloperenter:
There are actually 2 kitchens. One on the parlor floor and a Pullman Kitchen down in the lower level with the Family Room and other amenities down there...
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 1:51 PM
Wine closet next to the maid's quarters? Tacky. I don't want to have to do daily inventories of the Screaming Eagle.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at September 14, 2009 1:52 PM
"There are actually 2 kitchens. One on the parlor floor and a Pullman Kitchen down in the lower level with the Family Room and other amenities down there..."
Oh my, you are right. I think I need to go rob a bank or something. Be back later...
Posted by: northsloperenter at September 14, 2009 1:54 PM
No DIBS, in a 4 story with a garden level, the dining room MUST be on the garden level (one floor above the basement, and one floor below the parlor). This house is a 3 story with english basement and the dining room was designed to be right where it is. Ah, the ignorance.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 1:54 PM
dh, a proper 18th or 19th Century home would have stored their valuable tea LOCKED in a tea caddy so the help wouldn't steal it.
A wine cellar, though probably akin to what shollstoner calls "a suburban comfort" would be locked as well with only the master of the house having the key.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 1:55 PM
Hey brownstoner time to get your eyes checked my dear - that kitchen is littered with recessed lighting!
Posted by: bowl of dicks at September 14, 2009 1:56 PM
Wine closet next to the maid's quarters? Tacky. I don't want to have to do daily inventories of the Screaming Eagle.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at September 14, 2009 1:52 PM
if you hire a hot maid, then it aint tacky but convenient - easy access to 2 guilty pleasures
Posted by: more4less at September 14, 2009 1:56 PM
Why MUST a 4 story with a garden level have the formal DR on the garden level???
I think you're digging your own grave here but so be it. Only some tenemant dweller would eat down there with that lack of light.
PS If you don't know what a tea caddy is come on over and I'll show you a real nice one.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 1:57 PM
This satisfies my bells and whistle quota.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 14, 2009 1:58 PM
Gorgeous House! plus I loveeeeee that block!
I really like the kitchen and the backyard
agreed not sure they will get over 3 million, but def close to it!
Posted by: gemini10 at September 14, 2009 1:59 PM
I'd prefer central air conditiong to automatic watering systems.
Posted by: NorthHeights at September 14, 2009 2:01 PM
shillstoner....do you have problems with marble bathrooms??? Are they too, "suburban comforts?"
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:02 PM
DIBS, dining rooms have been on the garden level since the first brownstone was built. If you really need your dining room on the parlor, then you need to install a dumbwaiter--you can't put the kitchen on the parlor. Why not? Same reason you can't install an ensuite bathroom, double sinks, or a kitchn island. Its called taste.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 2:03 PM
i dont think that's the friendliest block in the area actually.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 2:04 PM
That second floor powder room -- not getting how it's fitting under the stairs like that. It looks like it's in the equivalent space to the closet beneath it. Wouldn't it be like half height then? I'm probably reading it wrong. I always get confused with staircases on floor plans, which floor the stairs go with.
Posted by: Nomi at September 14, 2009 2:04 PM
shillstoner, the fella who wrote "bricks and brownstones' was on this old house a couple of weeks ago doing tours of old federal townhomes and he said in federal town homes in the 1830s, the garden level was where the cooks cooked and the owners enjoyed their grub on the parlor floor.
Posted by: DeLepp at September 14, 2009 2:05 PM
"shillstoner....do you have problems with marble bathrooms??? Are they too, "suburban comforts?"
Totally. Glad to see you're cathching on. Maybe there's hope...
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 2:05 PM
Three weeks ago you said it was because you couldn't "carve up" the original room details of a Victorian brownstone. Which is it shillstoner???
I also need to see the article in Architectural Digest where your "taste" was deemed the most appropriate.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:05 PM
I do not like kitchens with big honking islands in the middle of them. That island is enormous, it's taking up a third of the floor space.
Posted by: Heather at September 14, 2009 2:06 PM
This is nice big house, almost a mansion really. But who has this kind of money any more?
Posted by: Minard Lafever at September 14, 2009 2:06 PM
Kitchens were originally on the garden level because they were to be neither seen nor heard. That has changed. And I don't think the formal dining rooms were ever down there.
Posted by: Nomi at September 14, 2009 2:06 PM
The windows and skylight in the kitchen are totally doing it for me. I actually LOVE the look of this kitchen. I bet it looks so much better in person.
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 2:08 PM
DeLepp, only the help eats downstairs when the kitchen is down there. The formal DR is always parlour level and it the house is large enough to accomodate the kitchen on the second floor it may be a "suburban comfort" but it's one that most people pay bigger bucks for.
I have no problem with the entertainment/family room down on the garden level and the addition of a second kitchen stocked with PBRs and beer nuts , though most cretainly "suburban comforts" would be welcome.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:08 PM
DeLepp, it depends on the specific house--the dining room placement varried. My garden level dining room has very gorgeous wainscotting, a very orante mantle, ornate plaster moldings, and a chandelier--definitely not for the servants. But the kitchen was always on the garden level.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 2:08 PM
The gym is bigger than the maid's room. Poor maid.
Posted by: mopar at September 14, 2009 2:11 PM
I think that when there's a formal dining room, the kitchen should be more for "entertaining" briefly before dinner and an island is the most convenient way to accomodate that. If you put a table and chairs close to the kitchen, your view is of the countertops...that's no good.
This place has informal dining on the garden level, entertaining and formal dining on the parlour level, as it should be but contrary to MR. Taste's screwed up ideas.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:11 PM
"I also need to see the article in Architectural Digest where your "taste" was deemed the most appropriate."
DIBS, I take it you consider Architectural Digest to be a beacon of taste? Snort.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 2:11 PM
quote:
This is nice big house, almost a mansion really. But who has this kind of money any more?
teachers and their spinster actress sisters.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 2:12 PM
That chandelier can't be too big on the garden level, shillstoner; not like a chandelier on the parlour level. It's too cramped.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:12 PM
quote:
This is nice big house, almost a mansion really. But who has this kind of money any more?
teachers and their spinster actress sisters.
ETA - from the ny times article 2 weeks ago ahhah
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 2:12 PM
> But who has this kind of money any more?
The same small group of people who had it last year.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 14, 2009 2:13 PM
DIBS, I take it you consider Architectural Digest to be a beacon of taste? Snort.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 2:11 PM
It was a joke, shillstoner.
YOU ARE THE SELF-PROCLAIMED BEACON OF TASTE AS WE ALL KNOW.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:13 PM
Kitchen was laways downstirs I would hope will all the coal spewing about, just couldn't see why a dining room would also be there. I guess the owners were only down in the kitchen to partake in affairs of the heart, like upstairs/downstairs or gosford park.
Posted by: DeLepp at September 14, 2009 2:15 PM
Thank you Snark.
If you'll notice Minard also said on the COTD thread that "If this doesn't sell for at least $800,000, we're all in trouble in the boro."
Weird comments from him/her today.
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 2:15 PM
The Goldman bonuses and many others will be huge this year. Many people can afford this.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:16 PM
"YOU ARE THE SELF-PROCLAIMED BEACON OF TASTE AS WE ALL KNOW."
Well someone has to try to stave off the granite-loving, ensuite-bathroom-needing, kitchen-island-coveting, double-sink-installing barbarians before you butcher every last brownstone and reduce all of Brownstone Brooklyn into one big tacky McMansion.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 2:20 PM
I'm not a fan of granite myself, but I wonder what His Shrillness considers a suitably non-tacky kitchen counter material?
Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 14, 2009 2:25 PM
shillstoner, just why is granite inappropriate??? And what is better??? Other than soapstone, with a farmer's sink, a look that not a large % of the population is in love with, I don't know what is more appropriate than granite.
No, not pink granite or azure blue or even white, but a nice dark granite like this is a nicer look than what I suspect you might like.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:25 PM
PS Mine is Uba Tuba granite.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:27 PM
well it's sort of sad that houses like this go for the kind of money they do. it automatically makes a neighborhood very blah when it comes to personalities and fun-ness factor. can an interesting person or interesting family afford this place? sadly, no.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 2:28 PM
I'd like to see what his chandelier looks like. If it's not an original brass period piece than I've called him out. My LR and DR ones are both period brass gas/electric combos.
If it's crystal, I can picture the rest of the house already!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:29 PM
can an interesting person or interesting family afford this place? sadly, no.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 2:28 PM
I can't figure out what to say to that.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:32 PM
Soapstone, I love soapstone counters. Not that you were asking me . . .
Rob, a person with money can't be interesting? Huh? Where do you get that idea?
Posted by: Nomi at September 14, 2009 2:33 PM
I really disagree with those who think the same small group of people who could afford a three million dollar house last year can afford one this year. Hello? Last year prior to Sept. 12, when Lehman collapsed, it was a different scenario. I know GS is supposed to give large bonuses this year, but do you think those people are going to want to spend it right away on a huge money pit in Brooklyn? I'm not seeing it. Younger people who get a large bonus will buy the $800,000 co-op in Brooklyn Heights or the 1.4 million loft in Tribeca, more senior people already have their estates in Greenwich and Alpine, and they won't be looking to downsize to Park Slope. I just don't see this year's crop of mega-wealthy park slope buyers.
Posted by: Minard Lafever at September 14, 2009 2:33 PM
> well it's sort of sad that houses like this go for the kind of money they do.
Yep, it's a crying shame that a house that was originally designed to house wealthy people is doing the exact same thing more than a century later. That's not interesting! That's not fun!
Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 14, 2009 2:39 PM
Rob,
Your precious Hanna Montana could afford this place. Is she not interesting?
I find Bjork and Matthew Barney quite interesting folks and they just plunked down 4 million to live in Brooklyn Heights.
Your comment is odd.
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 2:39 PM
"Younger people who get a large bonus will buy the $800,000 co-op in Brooklyn Heights"
I see very few young people in Brooklyn Heights and I really don't think they are buying places like the COTD.
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 2:41 PM
Don't assume just b/c they have money they won't be fun. You never know.
I have Uba Tuba too Dave. Most people don't notice it's green and assume it's black granite until the light shines on it. Then it's pretty glorious with all the gold and blue green flecks. Love it!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 14, 2009 2:41 PM
Kanye West is interesting, he could afford it.
But I know what you mean, rob. Families are lovely and all but you can only surmise a young couple will move here and raise some kids, and those kids will sport Ramones T-shirts when they're teens, and the mom will go to Connecticut Muffin and the dad will take car service to the airport for his business trip.
Modern life is s staid and quotidian, don't you all rather think?
Posted by: infinitejester at September 14, 2009 2:42 PM
"I find Bjork and Matthew Barney quite interesting folks and they just plunked down 4 million to live in Brooklyn Heights. "
Totally off topic, sorry, but I saw Bjork this weekend at the BPC movie theater. She looked great and yes, she's rich and very interesting.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at September 14, 2009 2:42 PM
As an anecdotal bellweather of the real estate market, I was speaking with the owner of one of the larger agencies in Provincetown last week. That place is totally discretionary second home for the most part.
He said that from October to May was completely dead, the worst markey he's seen in all his years in the business but, since June the market has firmed up quite a bit and they have 12 properties under contract which is a lot for late Summer.
Just anecdotal.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:43 PM
I'd rather have wealthy boring people around then funny interesting poor people. The former tend to be better for property values and they can always rent their gardcen levels out to more interesting people like shillstoner.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:45 PM
Bjork as MILF.
Posted by: mopar at September 14, 2009 2:46 PM
Sorry, had to do some work....
My chandelier is DWR, totally modern. I removed the original. The point is not to keep things as they were 200 years ago--the point is to update the house with a degree of respect and a modicum of taste. Hard to grasp for some, I know.
As for granite, even the yahoos on HGTV are over that tacky material. My counters are poured concrete.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 2:48 PM
"But I know what you mean, rob. Families are lovely and all but you can only surmise a young couple will move here and raise some kids, and those kids will sport Ramones T-shirts when they're teens, and the mom will go to Connecticut Muffin and the dad will take car service to the airport for his business trip.
Modern life is s staid and quotidian, don't you all rather think?"
I don't know. The couple with small child across the street from me are similar to what you describe (minus the Ramones t-shirt) and I never felt judgmental enough to consider them staid. Every time I happen upon them, the husband (who is UNGODLY handsome) has his arm around his sexy wife's waist, they are laughing while their little girl is smiling and running a few paces in front of them. I see them at the Greenmarket, I see them going for walks, going to dinner, packing up for vacations, entertaining lots in their lovely 4 story brownstone.
I'm not sure what exactly you want them to do that's more interesting. When the wife is away, he sometimes smokes cigars with some of his buddys on the front stoop and asks to bum a cigarette from me from time to time. Is that interesting?
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 2:50 PM
I don't mind wealthy people as long as they have the good taste not to put enormous islands in the middle of their kitchen floors. It's like, if you really want to "entertain" while you're sauteeing, just get a portable table island.
Posted by: Heather at September 14, 2009 2:50 PM
11217, there are plenty of young people in Brooklyn Heights. What are you talking about?
DeLepp, love Gosford Park, and definitely downstairs over upstairs.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 14, 2009 2:51 PM
shillstoner just PWNED himself.
All that ranting a few weeks ago about preserving the integrity of an original brownstone and you have poured concrete countertops and a modern chandelier.
" The point is not to keep things as they were 200 years ago"
It was you who was ranting about just that.
Besides, on a garden level, the chandelier can only drop about a foor or so from the ceiling before it becomes just too low.
A 1-2 foot drop does not a chandelier make.
I'm glad you keep up with the decorating tips from HGTV. ROTFLMMFAO. Although I might want Vern Yip in my bedroom I wouldn't let him decorate my home.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:52 PM
Does the English basement have windows? If so it'd be perfect to throw my mom down there - she has all the amenities plus kitch and bath without the hassle of a lot of stairs.
And I'd have my mom locked in a basement. Win-win.
Posted by: crazypants at September 14, 2009 2:53 PM
11217, do you really think that young people are not moving into Brooklyn Heights? Are you really that silly? Have you ever been to Brooklyn Heights? Seriously, your posts are begining to make me think you are a bit delusional.
Posted by: Minard Lafever at September 14, 2009 2:53 PM
Biff is interesting and he lives in BH. So does brickoven. I might thinbk he's an assh()le at times but he's still interesting.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 2:56 PM
DIBS, how dense and dim can you be??? I was "ranting" about preserving the structure and integrity of the brownstone, not the countertops or the chandeliers!! You cannot rip out a bedroom in order to put in a huge ensuite bath with soaking tub. Nor can you destroy the parlour by shoving a kitchen into the corner. But you can certainly put in a mod light fixture and poured concrete counters. No contradiction there. Sorry if the nuance is too hard for you to get.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 2:57 PM
I used to work in Brooklyn Heights and go there to teach at least once a week. I was there yesterday.
The average age is higher than most of the other Brownstone neighborhoods.
There are some families with kids, sure. But mostly it is people over 50.
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 2:57 PM
quote:
Every time I happen upon them, the husband (who is UNGODLY handsome) has his arm around his sexy wife's waist, they are laughing while their little girl is smiling and running a few paces in front of them. I see them at the Greenmarket, I see them going for walks, going to dinner, packing up for vacations, entertaining lots in their lovely 4 story brownstone.
BIZZARF
*rob8
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 2:57 PM
My first apt was in brooklyn heights when I was in my early 20s. Decades ago but it was a terrific entry into brooklyn.
Posted by: DeLepp at September 14, 2009 2:57 PM
"BIZZARF"
Yes, Rob...we know you hate happy people.
It shines through in each and every one of your genius comments.
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 2:58 PM
quote:
When the wife is away, he sometimes smokes cigars with some of his buddys on the front stoop and asks to bum a cigarette from me from time to time. Is that interesting?
no, it's not. clearly he can only do fun stuff when "his wife is away" and that is just sad :( poor whipped guy. park slope moms are so demoralizing and emasculating sometimes.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 2:59 PM
11217, I should tell you I was falling over laughing as I wrote that post.
Posted by: infinitejester at September 14, 2009 3:01 PM
youre crazy 11217. i love happy people! the people you described however dont sound happy to me.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 3:01 PM
"You cannot rip out a bedroom in order to put in a huge ensuite bath with soaking tub. "
Oh yes you can. And you'll get more for the house when you sell it.
Nobody wants those god awful chopped up little rooms on the top floors of brownstones. They are a useless waste of space.
That said, nothing should ever be done to the "public floor," the parlour floor, that would destroy the architectural detail there.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 3:04 PM
"Oh yes you can. And you'll get more for the house when you sell it. Nobody wants those god awful chopped up little rooms on the top floors of brownstones. They are a useless waste of space."
Thanks for proving my point. Have fun with Vern in the soaker. Don't slip on the marble.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 3:08 PM
rob, I think you're just being argumentative for the sake of agrguing.
I know a lot of rich people and they are very, very interesting and are a lot of fun. Some of them do have a wife and children. It has not slowed them down much. Oftentimes the wife is just as interesting, but not usually. Maybe you have a pint. :) But to make a blanket statement like that is just not serious talk.
Unlike the serious conversation that shillstoner and I are having.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 3:08 PM
well OBVIOUSLY there exceptions to every rule. duh! i just think poor people are much more fun and interesting.
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 3:11 PM
Most people barely know the person they're shagging let alone whether or not their neighbors are interesting or fun.
Posted by: DeLepp at September 14, 2009 3:11 PM
"the people you described however dont sound happy to me."
Laughing, smiling, vacationing, entertaining, dining out, kissing and groping....
Yeah, you're right...they sound positively miserable.
When is the last time you did ANY of those things?
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 3:11 PM
> Have fun with Vern in the soaker. Don't slip on the marble.
Shrilly is obviously an arrogant jackass who mistakes his personal taste for gospel, but that was pretty funny.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at September 14, 2009 3:12 PM
No marble at all in your bathroom, shillstoner???? What are your floors, wood with a throw rug on top of them??? Those are really big selling points.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 3:13 PM
Most people barely know the person they're shagging let alone whether or not their neighbors are interesting or fun.
Posted by: DeLepp at September 14, 2009 3:11 PM
QOTD
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 3:14 PM
I think rob needs to get shagged.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 3:15 PM
yeah 11217, im sooooo miserable cuz im not "groping" some phoney daddy's girl on a stoop in park f'ing slope. :-/
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 3:16 PM
gracias dibs, hope you had a blast in PT.
Posted by: DeLepp at September 14, 2009 3:18 PM
"> Have fun with Vern in the soaker. Don't slip on the marble."
Yeah, that was a good line.
Posted by: East New York at September 14, 2009 3:18 PM
quote:
"I think rob needs to get shagged."
no. i found the light.
http://www.asexuality.org/home/
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 3:18 PM
I think we need to get back to a discussion of the merits of this house and not the demographic makeup of Park Slope.
That African granite beats poured concrete ANY day of the week. We're not living in loftspave here, shilly.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 3:19 PM
I would also do David Bromstead, the Asian mix guy from Color Splash and Ahmed from "Yard Crashers."
I hate that show Color Splash, the crap that he comes up with!!!! But Yard crashers is fun.
Who are your favorites on HGTV, shilly???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 3:21 PM
There are lots of young people in BH - you just never see them there because there's nothing to do.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at September 14, 2009 3:23 PM
there's a massage parlor in brooklyn heights that gives happy endings though. remember that crazy lady complaining about it? lol
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 3:28 PM
"There are lots of young people in BH - you just never see them there because there's nothing to do."
Fortunately it's a quick ride to Williamsburg, dh.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 14, 2009 3:28 PM
or a short stumble to smith st
Posted by: dirty_hipster at September 14, 2009 3:30 PM
Or a short stumble HOME from Smith Street, dh. BTW, after stumbling home, I STILL had to walk the CGar-dog!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 14, 2009 3:33 PM
Not all young people need "something to do," whatever the hell that means.
Posted by: Nomi at September 14, 2009 3:34 PM
Well regarding the house---I went to see this house yesterday and it is a gem. However, not without its faults. At $3.2 you expect perfection, this comes close but still has a ways to go. The pictures on the website do not do it justice. The dining room is beautiful with plenty of quarter sawn oak and a fireplace, but it is hardly shown. The African granite, not so hot. The three wood burning fireplaces - nice. Not a big fan of painting the woodwork white- thank God for paint remover. The center stair is stunning and the view from the second floor down the stairs is something I wouldn't mind taking in every morning. The deck off of the second floor is a very nice touch, as is the bathroom on the landing. The baths were all nicely done, the kitchen was OK, not a stunner. Overall a very nice package, but that price tag is scary. I guess I"ll never be able to afford one.
Posted by: cls2000 at September 14, 2009 3:35 PM
"Not all young people need "something to do," whatever the hell that means."
Most like to eat out at restaurants, of which BH has few.
How about bars? Most young people I know like to drink, which is why there are more young people in Ft. Greene, Prospect Heights, Carroll Gardens and Park Slope...
I don't understand the issue here. Brooklyn Heights is great, but it's not a place where young people flock. Is it not possible anymore to state true statements on Brownstoner without people jumping down your throat for denigrating their neighborhood. No one here say younger = better. It's just a more established, more expensive and generally older neighborhood...housing stock and people.
NEXT!
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 3:38 PM
Yes, DIBS, wood floors in one of the bathrooms. Limestone in the other. But no marble, thanks.
House Hunters, especially International. Unlike you, I watch to laugh at the people (being an arrogant a-hole and all), not for tips on kitchen island placement and window treatments.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 14, 2009 3:40 PM
"I don't understand the issue here. Brooklyn Heights is great, but it's not a place where young people flock."
You're right. I just meant that SOME young people do like a quieter life style. I've never had a need to live in walking distance of a bar and I know plenty of others who don't either. And really I meant the "something to do" can mean many things that don't have to do with nightlife.
Posted by: Nomi at September 14, 2009 3:47 PM
I have wood in the second bath. I have stenciled wood floors in Bucks County.
I have traditional Victorian single panel lace curtains on the front of my parlour level. There has never been a window treatment anywhere at anytime on television that I would ever use. I have period glass curtain ties for the bedroom drapes.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 3:47 PM
Fair enough, Nomi.
I clearly don't need to be near tons of nightlife either. It's not like Pork Slap is THAT happenin'!
Posted by: 11217 at September 14, 2009 3:50 PM
what do we define as young? cos i see tons of 30-somethings in BH.
DIBS - david bromstad is part asian? he doesn't look it to me.
Posted by: CG_ups at September 14, 2009 3:50 PM
11217, I'd rather it not be "happening" close to where I live. If I wanted that I'd be in the friggin East Village. What a hellhole.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 14, 2009 3:52 PM
11217, I didn't take it as "denigrating" BH. I'm just saying there are plenty of young people in BH, including quite a few regular posters here. And it's all of a 5-minute walk to plenty of bars and restaurants on Smith Street, not to mention Court Street, the Columbia Street waterfront, and Red Hook.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at September 14, 2009 3:59 PM
yeah 11217, im sooooo miserable cuz im not "groping" some phoney daddy's girl on a stoop in park f'ing slope. :-/
*rob*
Posted by: Butterfly at September 14, 2009 3:16 PM
I wanna be "groping" some phoney daddy's girl on a stoop in park f'ing slope. Point me in that director por favor.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at September 14, 2009 4:56 PM
Shillstoner, you're a f***ing piece of work, contradicting yourself left and right and not even seeing it. Sheesh. Get over yourself already.
Posted by: Park Sloper at September 14, 2009 6:31 PM
Shill, what color are your concrete countertops?
I'm not joking. If someone is willing to give ideas, I'm willing to take them.
Posted by: prezanon at September 14, 2009 6:45 PM
I'm getting to this party late! Looks to have been an odd one. ;)
Saw this house yesterday with hubby and loved it. I had a few small quibbles, but small to be sure. Hubby thought, of the hundred brownstones we've seen in the past year and a half to two years, this was the most gorgeously preserved and was the best layout and most move in ready.
It was absolutely charming. The wood throughout was lovely, though a bit worse for wear on some of the upper baseboards and around the stairs. The half bath at mid-stair was perfect! As was the dining room. To die for. The garden and deck were really nice, peaceful, and boy, when I say quiet, I mean QUIET out there. The most noise anyone or anything was making was a sleepy tabby cleaning itself on the deck next door.
The kitchen was really quite nice as well, and the island not as large and/or obtrusive as people seem to think. It allowed also for 4 stools to surround the island for eating, relaxing and chatting. The counters were nice and reminded me of a honed soapstone. The English basement did have windows and less a basement feel than many. Btw, the wine area was simply a Eurocave in a closet, storing about 75 bottles. It wasn't a wine cellar or coveted walk-in, temp. controlled wine storage. And the maid's room was strange - as they did appear to have an au pair or nanny or "maid" living in it. Tiny and very much a basement feel in that room. Not sure why...
So, my small quibbles (keeping in mind this is asking 3.2 million - top of the market numbers): No central A/C, some troubles with the wood here and there, floors need to be spruced up, no master suite per se, as to walk to the master bath, you really do need to pass through the hall and at one point within full view of anyone in the foyer or central parlor, one sink in said master bath. And finally, no wood burning fireplace or even mantle in the living room, which is a big druther of mine. But that's it. Everything else was/is perfect.
Posted by: Nokilissa at September 14, 2009 7:11 PM
I quit falling in love with houses; but that is a really pretty place. Nice backyard too.
Posted by: donatella at September 14, 2009 7:16 PM
Hey Noki, what the hell, another 100k for central air?
Posted by: denton at September 14, 2009 7:36 PM
Wow, Nokilissa, very informative. Thank you.
Posted by: Nomi at September 14, 2009 8:08 PM
Dining rooms were in both places - the basement and the parlor floor. Typically kitchens were at the rear of the garden (basement level) with a family dining room in the front. A formal dining room was upstairs on the parlor floor - which was the most important floor where the family entertained. The use of the everday dining vs. formal depended upon the affluence of the family - number of servants, etc. Children were generally fed in the famly dining room until they developed sufficient table manners! Some homes had a back stair or a dumbwaiter to a butler's pantry (for serving the upper dining room).
Posted by: jmcg at September 14, 2009 9:25 PM
And to think my grandparents gave up their house on a "name" street in Park Slope during the 1930s because the neighborhood was "declining."
Oh, well.
(Still, the market's done better than real estate over time. Then again, to have a place like this in the family would be v. nice.)
Posted by: NOP at September 14, 2009 11:39 PM
"And to think my grandparents gave up their house on a "name" street in Park Slope during the 1930s because the neighborhood was 'declining.'"
That must hurt.
So strange, isn't it? My neighbor (Carroll Gardens) across the street tells me how in the 60s he had a chance to buy two brownstones on our street for 20k each. He wanted to; his wife thought it was crazy and said no. They had no hot water, he said, at that time. So, they would have had the expense of that and probably other upgrades before they could rent them out and I guess it just seemed ridiculous.
Posted by: Nomi at September 15, 2009 12:45 AM
I know this house well. It is absolutely, lovely! It is very accessible to 7th Avenue, the park, PS 321 and Berkeley Carroll. I mention this because this is the kind of home that someone would buy as an alternative to a suburban home but thought it best to stay in the city. The neighbors (ie. the people on the block) are just the kind who you would invite over to a barbecue or tea.
If someone was edged out of the Jennifer Connelly house on PPW, this would be an outstanding consolation prize.
Posted by: BrooklynIsHome at September 15, 2009 12:56 AM
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