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August 19, 2009

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In Brooklyn, New Taquerias, Two Ways [NY Times]
Breaking Bread in Brooklyn [NY Times]
Cash, Credit, or Torches? [NY Times]
When Parents Scream Against Ice Cream [NY Times]
Where Little Chefs Learn [NY Times]
Steel Nerves on Atkins Ave. [NY Daily News]
Accolades for Hunter and Brooklyn College [NY Daily News]
Chain Stores Booming Despite Recession [NY Daily News]
Going Solar in Brooklyn Heights [Brooklyn Eagle]
Your Land Is Their Land [Brooklyn Paper]
Rebels Without a Hog [Wired]
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That is hands down the best photo you all have posted in a long time. Hats off to the photographer.

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 19, 2009 8:35 AM

Don't even get me started on people who complain about ice cream trucks.

Posted by: Heather at August 19, 2009 8:39 AM

LOL about the women who want to ban the ice cream vendors in the Park because they can't control their own children. Pathetic. This is so typical of parents these days who are totally ineffective at disciplining their children. JUST SAY NO.

The Latino Italian Ice vendor in the pic is hot though. I wish he was selling in Fulton Park.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 8:41 AM

"As a new mother, she said, people coach you on potty training and what to feed your child. “But the ice cream truck, nobody ever mentions that,” she said. "

Laughable.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 8:44 AM

And it gets better......

"Those who dislike the ice cream man, he said, tend to be “New Age parents whose kids can’t seem to do anything without them.”

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 8:46 AM

Re: Parents Scream against ice cream

WTF? Since when is it SOP to bargain or have a 10 minute discussion with your child as to why they can't have ice cream? Or anything else you say no to for that matter. When I was younger, if the answer was 'no' that was the end. No discussion. No bargaining. And I knew better than to throw a fit in public. Parents - get a handle on those little nuts. And, as for this quote: “Sometimes you’ll see a child in a stroller parked right next to the exhaust pipe of the truck,” blame that on a dumb @ss parent. If you park your kid next to the exhaust pipe of anything, I don't want to hear you complaining about your kid's breathing problems and glazed over eyes. COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 19, 2009 8:46 AM

Even better id that this advice is coming from the two single gay posters who have no children. LOL

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 8:51 AM

ROFL! We have pets Dave. That should count for something :) Although, I have been known to bargain with the cat...

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 19, 2009 8:53 AM

"Steel Nerves on Atkins Ave."

Jscheff I think you're very racist! I noticed in the last few day this stories about African Americans are negative! The Crown Heights dust up did it for me! Now you talk about Atkins Ave inn ENY??? What does have to do with "Brownstone Brooklyn"????

The funny think is everyone condones this type of Covert Race/Class Warfare but when I point it out everyone wants to jump on me!!! If the Jackasses that claim they're not racists then say something! You live in these neighborhood or this is the covert attitude towards Black people??

This is why I hope the whole financial world open up and blast you to hell!

The What (Flame On!)

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at August 19, 2009 8:57 AM

The article was hilarious. Can't wait for my mothers response to the article.

"Sometimes you’ll see a child in a stroller parked right next to the exhaust pipe of the truck". This sounds like a congressperson's act. see below

A DC airport ticket agent offers some examples of why our country is in trouble:


1. I had a New Hampshire Congresswoman (Carol Shea-Porter) ask for an aisle
seat so that her hair wouldn't get messed up by being near the window. (On
an airplane!)

2. I got a call from a Kansas Congressman's (Moore) staffer (Howard
Bauleke), who wanted to go to Capetown. I started to explain the length of
the flight and the passport information, and then he interrupted me with,
''I'm not trying to make you look stupid, but Capetown is in Massachusetts
.''

Without trying to make him look stupid, I calmly explained, ''Cape Cod is in
Massachusetts , Capetown is in Africa''

his response -- click.

3. A senior Vermont Congressman (Bernie Sanders) called, furious about a
Florida package we did. I asked what was wrong with the vacation in Orlando
. He said he was expecting an ocean-view room. I tried to explain that's not
possible, since Orlando is in the middle of the state.

He replied, 'don't lie to me, I looked on the map and Florida is a very thin
state!'' (OMG)

4. I got a call from a lawmaker's wife (Landra Reid) who asked, ''Is it
possible to see England from Canada ?''

I said, ''No.''

She said, ''But they look so close on the map.'' (OMG, again!)

5. An aide for a cabinet member (Janet Napolitano) once called and asked if
he could rent a car in Dallas. I pulled up the reservation and noticed he
had only a 1-hour layover in Dallas . When I asked him why he wanted to rent
a car, he said, ''I heard Dallas was a big airport, and we will need a car
to drive between gates to save time.'' (Aghhhh)

6. An Illinois Congresswoman (Jan Schakowsky) called last week. She needed
to know how it was possible that her flight from Detroit left at 8:30 a.m.,
and got to Chicago at 8:33 a.m.

I explained that Michigan was an hour ahead of Illinois , but she couldn't
understand the concept of time zones. Finally, I told her the plane went
fast, and she bought that.

7. A New York lawmaker, (Jerrold Nadler) called and asked, ''Do airlines put
your physical description on your bag so they know whose luggage belongs to
whom?'' I said, 'No, why do you ask?'

he replied, ''Well, when I checked in with the airline, they put a tag on my
luggage that said (FAT), and I'm overweight. I think that's very rude!''

After putting him on hold for a minute, while I looked into it. (I was dying
laughing). I came back and explained the city code for Fresno , Ca. is (FAT
- Fresno Air Terminal), and the airline was just putting a destination tag
on his luggage..

8. A Senator John Kerry aide (Lindsay Ross) called to inquire about a trip
package to Hawaii . After going over all the cost info, she asked, ''Would
it be cheaper to fly to California and then take the train to Hawaii ?''

9. I just got off the phone with a freshman Congressman, Bobby Bright (D)
from Ala who asked, ''How do I know which plane to get on?''

I asked him what exactly he meant, to which he replied, ''I was told my
flight number is 823, but none of these planes have numbers on them.''

10. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D)
called and said, ''I need to fly to Pepsi-Cola , Florida . Do I have to get
on one of those little computer planes?''

I asked if she meant fly to Pensacola , FL on a commuter plane.

She said, ''Yeah, whatever, smarty!''

11. Mary Landrieu (D) La. Senator called and had a question about the
documents she needed in order to fly to China . After a lengthy discussion
about passports, I reminded her that she needed a visa. 'Oh, no I don't.
I've been to China many times and never had to have one of those.''

I double checked and sure enough, her stay required a visa. When I told her
this she said, ''Look, I've been to China four times and every time they have
accepted my American Express!''

12. A New Jersey Congressman (John Adler) called to make reservations, ''I
want to go from Chicago to Rhino,New York .''

I was at a loss for words. Finally, I said, ''Are you sure that's the name
of the town?''

'Yes, what flights do you have?'' replied the man.

After some searching, I came back with, ''I'm sorry, sir, I've looked up
every airport code in the country and can't find a rhino anywhere."

''The man retorted, ''Oh, don't be silly! Everyone knows where it is. Check
your map!''

So I scoured a map of the state of New York and finally offered, ''You don't
mean Buffalo , do you?''

The reply? ''Whatever! I knew it was a big animal.''

Posted by: DeLepp at August 19, 2009 8:59 AM

First the good people of Park Slope move to ban smoking outdoors, now they move to ban ice cream trucks!!!!

Oh, did I mention, BOTH these things were illegal where I grew up.

Posted by: mopar at August 19, 2009 9:00 AM

DeLepp, that's hysterical!

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 19, 2009 9:04 AM

A shooting in Brooklyn is news, whether the parties involved are black or white. This particular shooting seems to involve black people.

Don't "shoot the messenger" just because the news of this shooting involves black people. These kids shouldn't have guns and more importantly, it seems they never learned any regard for human life. They should be locked up. If they kill someone, they should get a death sentence and the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for countless legal appeals.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 9:06 AM

mopar - frisco?

Posted by: dirty_hipster at August 19, 2009 9:08 AM

snappy, my usual recomendation is to secede from the US, but Nadler is not doing us any favors.

what, railing against the brownstoner is not going to help the situation of kids with guns in eny.

Posted by: DeLepp at August 19, 2009 9:10 AM


I swear the Mr Softy truck in my neighborhood is stalking me... how am I supposed to resist that beautiful beast?!

Posted by: tybur6 at August 19, 2009 9:13 AM

"A shooting in Brooklyn is news, whether the parties involved are black or white. This particular shooting seems to involve black people."

That's nice Dave but how come ALL of the negative stores on Brownstoner has to involve African Americans?

I pointing out a PATTEN by jscheff! i guess you're oblivious to it just like everything else Dave.

You have to be careful with your Karma's. You like in the same area of people you secretly hate. Life is funny ya know..

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..

Posted by: Return of The What at August 19, 2009 9:13 AM

what, that ice cream story is a pretty negative story on new age white folk in urban areas.

Posted by: DeLepp at August 19, 2009 9:15 AM

Dave, agree 100%.

DeLepp, hilarious.

Mopar, Park Slope is starting to urk me and I there was a time before brownstoner opened up my eyes when I really really wanted to live in Park Slope.

Posted by: Kensingtonian at August 19, 2009 9:16 AM

Karma is never plural nor a contraction or possessive. Not sure what that was about.

And just what is it you think I "secretly hate?"

I don't think brownstoner has missed any of the countless shootings by white Asshats that are so prevelant throughout Brooklyn.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 9:17 AM

"what, railing against the brownstoner is not going to help the situation of kids with guns in eny."

That's not my point! My point is there is a culture here at Brownstoner to portray African American (especially in Brooklyn) as animals. Did you read the Crown Heights post from yesterday???? Like Crown Heights was nothing before the Asshats came there but I don't see them.

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2009/08/16-week/

"Not even five years ago, Crown Heights was dominated by dollar stores, fast food, and the reverberations of the ethnic conflicts in the 1990s largely between Caribbean and Hasidic Jewish populations. "

That was over 15 years ago and 80% of the retards was not in Brooklyn at that time. How in the hell jscheff would know that????

Now, with the influx of young professionals escaping Manhattan's exorbitant prices, the neighborhood seems to be adapting to Tavern's standards. "

??????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What standards????!!!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..

Posted by: Return of The What at August 19, 2009 9:21 AM

"what, that ice cream story is a pretty negative story on new age white folk in urban areas."

Oh no... that shows the delusion, not the negativity.

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at August 19, 2009 9:25 AM

What, please post the correct link. I can't remember a thread about Crown Heights and what I assume discusses tavern On Nostrand, which, I hope you know, was opened by a black guy.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 9:26 AM

what, agreed the crown heights story way off. But don't you think reporting in general in all media outlets has declined greatly?

Posted by: DeLepp at August 19, 2009 9:27 AM

What you have become SOOOOOOOOOOOO boring.

Posted by: dittoburg at August 19, 2009 9:27 AM

agreed - What you are totally dull

Posted by: dirty_hipster at August 19, 2009 9:30 AM

parents are SO lame. anyone else ever reconnect with old friends thru facebook, find out they have kids, then totally ignore them?

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 9:33 AM

i mean ignore them and not have any interest in reconnected because they have kids? i find that to be the case a lot.
i cant wrap my mind around parenthood, especially parents these days who seem especially lame. what is that famous quote, motherhood means mental freeze or something? sorry any parents here, you all cool.


*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 9:34 AM

quote:
Jscheff I think you're very racist! I noticed in the last few day this stories about African Americans are negative!

hey what, im gonna slightly agree with you on that. im not a fan of this guy's writing tone.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 9:35 AM

Kensington, dont hate totally on park slope. move to my building! it's like a f'ed up bizarro version of melrose place!!!

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 9:38 AM

yeah, you can always find someone extremely silly to sound off on something like ice cream trucks. however, i also hate it when a vendor like that sets up shop inside the playground itself. the end result is melted ice cream all over the playground equipment and therefore all over your child, whether or not you bought any yourself.

also, the endless sounding off by people who don't have children about tough they would be if they had children -- really tiresome. don't you get even the slightest bit embarassed about pontificating on a subject about which you have no direct knowledge?

and all the braying about how great it was in the olden days when parents were hardass disciplinarians -- really? how did you know better than to throw a fit, insertsnappyname? b/c your mom beat the crap out of you? was that really so great?

Posted by: southbrooklyn at August 19, 2009 9:39 AM

It's pretty simple, southbrooklyn, you just don't allow your child to throw a fit.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 9:44 AM

quote:
the end result is melted ice cream all over the playground equipment and therefore all over your child,

waaaaaaaaah. my child got sticky hands playing in a playground. you know what else is all over your child playing in the playground? fecal matter, poo mist, traces of drugs, urine, and 400,000 species of bacteria. a little chocolate ice cream aint crap.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 9:46 AM

southbrooklyn...I knew better than to throw a fit because I was taught respect and manners. Respect and manners means you don't holler like a damned fool in public because you can't have something. Not every child has to have their @ss kicked to learn how to behave. And I may not have any rugrats, but I do have a right to an opinion and a right to voice it here, just like you did with yours.

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 19, 2009 9:46 AM

Rob, that's gross. But correct, nonetheless.

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 19, 2009 9:51 AM

I'm sure his children are also more "sophisticated," as well.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 9:51 AM

i accidently posted this in ot, so ill post it again here...

i think part of the problem is that a lot of kids in park slope are deprived of the great things in life, treats that one should NOT have all the time, but occassionally. you know, things that make a kid happy like a happy meal at mcdonalds or an ice cream cone from mr. softee. part of me thinks the parents NEVER give them any of that stuff as a treat thinking it's terrible for them blah blah blah, so of course these poor deprived children are going to have a tempter tantrum when they cant have a happy meal and are forced to eat a dry tasteless tofu burger or something. so i dont really blame the kids for having tantrums, hells i would.. the parents are to blame for depriving the crotchfruit of today the pleasures in life. but that's okay, im sure they will all be addicted to oxycontin by their 16th birthdays.

*rob*


Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 9:52 AM

I'm dull? So dull for you to comment! You're Racist..

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..

Posted by: Return of The What at August 19, 2009 9:53 AM

There are several families on my block in which the parents have taught the kids the meaning of the word "no" without any physical discipline or inordinate punishment. They just exercise consistency - when I say no, I mean it. When the children were small it was a pleasure to take them on outings because they never whined. The kids are now in their teens & are happy, well-adjusted citizens w/ the normal quirks of adolescence.

Posted by: Arkady at August 19, 2009 9:58 AM

Why is calling someone "dull" racist???

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 9:58 AM

I wonder what The What was like as a child.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 10:07 AM

South Brooklyn, did someone pee in your coffee this morning?

Posted by: cobblehiller at August 19, 2009 10:07 AM

Re ice-cream truck story:
1. The one inarguable point is that icy-carts without vendor licenses should not be working inside the park; that's illegal and unfair to licensed vendors.
2. Over on the dreaded "other side of the park," we have encountered some Mr. Softee truck guys and gals who are (a) pot-smoking (and selling?--the cloud of pot smoke inside the truck was worthy of Cheech and Chong) and (b) creepy and abusive. We have also had some who were lovely folks. So Mr. Softee needs to screen a little better for who's driving those trucks.
3. Anyone who can't deal with saying "no" to ice cream for their child, even every bloody day at the playground, has no business having one. And I've got one. That having been said, once in a while, Crunchy-Moms, a pop ain't gonna the kill the kid; as they say in medicine, "the dose is the poison."
4. Hey--what happened to Good Humor trucks, anyway? They used to be avatars of frosty purity, gleaming white and carrying only the GH line, which was dispensed by a snappy white-suited driver from a thick-walled freezer that spilled dry-ice clouds when opened on a hot day. Now the trucks are ratty dumps on wheels, the guy inside in a cage handing out all kinds of off-brand trash in loathesome colors (like those horrid SpongeBob pops with hard little googly-eyes). What a come-down!

Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at August 19, 2009 10:09 AM

if an adult is working in an ice cream truck i think they automatically should have the right to smoke a little bud if they want. especially if they are in costume.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 10:14 AM

Anybody know where you can get churros from a cart vendor????

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 10:14 AM

robe your next relationship will be with someone who has a kid, likes to go to the park, and has a huge bed. then you'll be in a pickle, won't you?

Posted by: infinitejester at August 19, 2009 10:15 AM

delepp, that was hilarious! It never fails to enrage me how people live their lives with such blinders on.

Posted by: infinitejester at August 19, 2009 10:17 AM

Jester's got you there, Rob!!! And heaven forbid if the guy loves peacocks and horses too!

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 19, 2009 10:18 AM

Dibs - During the school year there's a cart outside of 321.

Posted by: Arkady at August 19, 2009 10:23 AM

I bet these parents throw tantrums at the PS Food Coop.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 10:24 AM

Driving ice cream trucks, like working on oil derricks, are such boring jobs that the workers' habits of drinking/smoking pot are more or less unavoidable.

Posted by: infinitejester at August 19, 2009 10:24 AM

oh hells no. there is nothing cheesier than gay dads. NOTHING.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 10:25 AM

"I bet these parents throw tantrums at the PS Food Coop."

Bingo!!

Posted by: cobblehiller at August 19, 2009 10:25 AM

Ah, mom-bashing. Favorite sport of the childless -- and, as Brenda demonstrates, a cannibalistic entertainment for some mothers, too.

The problem, my childless friends, is something you cannot remember or fathom. The problem is 2 and 3-year-olds who cannot be reasoned with. Who see TREAT and only TREAT and who, naturally, have a fit when TREAT is cruelly denied them. What's wrong with an occasional treat? Nothing. A treat every single day at 5:30, an hour before dinner? That is a problem. So, at least sometimes, the answer must be no. And that no is greeted with a tiresome fit.

And what's with these parents without backbones? You surely remember being told no and accepting it. But there's a problem with your memory.

While you may remember some moments when you were 2 or 3, you really do not remember the whole experience of it. YOU DO NOT REMEMBER BEING 2 OR 3. NO ONE DOES. You remember being, say, 7 or 8, when you could better understand and accept "no" and "we will have ice cream on Friday but today is Tuesday."

Dealing with fits is part of the bill of parenting. But we're entitled to a wee bit of resentment when it happens every single day. It feels like a setup.

Finally: please note the article did not interview any dads or paid caregivers. Just moms. Just so once again you could indulge in a little cheap, class-based misogyny.

Posted by: Brooklyn Chicken at August 19, 2009 10:27 AM

Right Brooklyn Chicken, but if I had a fit, my parents didn't blame it on the ice cream truck, the candy store, the toy store.

They took me in hand and straightened me out they parented. Sure we had fits. A sibling of mine was particularly LOUD about it. The folks told us no, or took us straight home if we didn't stop. We learned. The folks didn't try to eradicate any and all distractions. They knew that it was their responsibility to TEACH us restraint, and to not need instant gratification.

Posted by: cobblehiller at August 19, 2009 10:31 AM

At one & a half a child knows "no". The moment a kid uses the word him/herself, it's valid to use to the child. Melt-downs may happen but they'll lessen as the kid internalizes the word/concept. A parent shouldn't "reason" w/ a child that age - as you say, they're not at the age of reason. You can't win a power struggle w/ a kid - they know no bounds unless you've consistently taught them that no means no.

Posted by: Arkady at August 19, 2009 10:33 AM

Believe it or not, I had my first sighting of two gay dads with a son yesterday in the subway. I don't walk around NYC much on the weekends as I'm not usually here so I haven't actually seen any before.

Tis was a black couple withj an incredibly cute kid. They were on the subway and one of them was reading to the kid. He was incredibly well behaved. they were on the A train and got off at Jay St to catch the F so they too were PS parents.

I bet that kid has never "thrown a fit."

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 10:34 AM

Cobble and Arkady, amen. I couldn't have said it any better.

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 19, 2009 10:38 AM

quote:
A treat every single day at 5:30, an hour before dinner? That is a problem.

uh, no. it isnt hahahah


*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 10:39 AM

gay people who have kids are sell-outs. there, i said it.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 10:46 AM

I bet that kid has never "thrown a fit."

DIBS - A Child's behavior is incredibly erratic as I am learning. Your 20 minute "Fitless" encounter is no measure of a child 24 hours a day. They can turn on a dime and it is part of the cahllenge of parenting.

Nothing against gay couples but I dont think there is any evidence they parent any better (or worse) than anyone else.

Posted by: newsouthsloper at August 19, 2009 11:11 AM

No, I don't think they are any better or worse either. My point was just that, as odd as it sounds, I never saw any before in NYC!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 11:13 AM

DIBS, there isn't a child alive who hasn't thrown a fit.

Ice cream is good.
Telling your kid no is good.
Not bitching to the media is good.


Posted by: new2hood at August 19, 2009 11:15 AM

rob - what about transgendered people having children? Are they sell outs too?

what makes being gay and a parent a sell out? i'm curious. but not as curious as biff after five drinks out at a bar.

(lol, sorry biff that was a cheap shot and i don't even know you!)

Posted by: bodhi_brooklyn at August 19, 2009 11:19 AM

new2hood....from these parents' own admission, it seems these kids throw a fit every time the truck comes around, on a daily basis.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 11:21 AM

Hey, here's a fun fact. Vicki Sell, the woman quoted first in the story? She owns Chip Shop. Soooo, ice cream is bad, but fried Mars bars are good?

Posted by: new2hood at August 19, 2009 11:23 AM

i just came on this thread to verify that the responders and responses to the ice cream story were exactly who and what i thought they'd be. and, yes, they are. too funny. sometimes i wonder what you childless people would do for entertainment, if not for park slope parents. i personally don't have a problem with telling my kid no, i think "predatory" is a little too strong, and yeah, it's irritating when the truck is idling across the street at 10pm... but it's beyond mere irritation when the truck is parked right next to the swingsets blowing exhaust all day long for days on end.

new2hood - she thinks the trucks/vendors are predatory toward and bad *for kids.* chip shop isn't mobile, isn't hanging out by the playground (and, actually, isn't even very kid-friendly). sure, as a restaurant owner i'm sure she's irritated that they get to skirt regulations, but you'll have to search harder for your evidence of total hypocrisy.

Posted by: i disagree at August 19, 2009 11:49 AM

1st it is interesting that everyone focused on PS regarding the ice cream story, except only a playground (barely in) PS was mentioned and the rest of the anecdotes were from well outside PS - but of course you people are fixated on PS so its all you talk about.

2nd DIBS - no offense but you 2 dad anecdote and conclusion is retarted - you think you can tell what type of parents upbringing a kid is getting from observing them on the subway - how old are you? Because if your older than 25 you should have learned by now that YOU HAVE NO IDEA what goes on in other peoples lives/behind closed doors. - That applies to your closest friends/relatives much less pure strangers on a train.

Posted by: fsrg at August 19, 2009 12:10 PM

Dirty Hipster, very close. A small town near SF.

Posted by: mopar at August 19, 2009 12:21 PM

fsrq, as someone told me on another thread, LIGHTEN UP.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 19, 2009 1:09 PM

DeLepp- that was priceless. And these people are in office (oh g-d!).

My sister would sometimes get overwhelmed with her screaming children throwing tantrums over "no.". One thing I always told her- you're the parent. You let them do this to you now, you lose control and the ability to guide them. Luckily my sister snapped out of that really fast and my niece and nephew are lovely grown ups. But the real point is that no parent can control the environment to suit themselves and raising children to believe that you can control everything and everyone around you is a very bad message.

Posted by: bxgrl at August 19, 2009 1:17 PM

Rob, waddya think about gay marriage?

First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes something called a baby carriage.


Posted by: denton at August 19, 2009 1:36 PM

quote:
"sometimes i wonder what you childless people would do for entertainment, if not for park slope parents."

sorry. did you get hit a water balloon?

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 1:39 PM

i have no opinion on gay marriage. if two men wanna be corny and get married, so be it.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 1:42 PM

We'd be better off if anyone could marry but people had to be licensed to have kids.

Posted by: Arkady at August 19, 2009 1:45 PM

Great point, arkady! I mean, we even make people get licenses for dogs.

Posted by: bxgrl at August 19, 2009 2:00 PM

license for dogs?! huh?

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at August 19, 2009 2:13 PM

She falls into the camp of parents who are irate? Probably a camp of 1.If this is the same Vicki Sell that owns the Chip Shop my message is that I fall into the camp of parents who believe that deep fried fish and deep fried Twinkies are unhealthy. What do I do? I SAY NO to my kids. Not real difficult. I think we can now close the 2009 search for Park Slope's craziest, self indulgent parent. Congrats Vicki

Posted by: parkslopepaul at August 19, 2009 2:17 PM

Sigh, what a thread. I wonder if Vicki Sell will respond to this at some point.

Posted by: cobblehiller at August 19, 2009 2:34 PM

I guess Rob's pitbull is unlicensed. Why am I not surprised?

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/vet/vet-doglicense-form.shtml

Do the right thing.

Posted by: denton at August 19, 2009 2:52 PM

yup, the childless are full of opinions about how those of us with children should parent. really, it's rather entertaining. DIBS thinks it's all very simple -- just *don't let* your kid have a fit! Arkady thinks that because a child understands the meaning of the word "no" at a year and a half (and actually, if you had a kid, you would know that it's much earlier than that), it's a short step to having them listen and obey. bxgrl seems to think she deserves credit for the fact that her sister raised a couple of nice kids -- thanks to her amazing advice of "you're the parent"!

again, some of the moms in the article are quite silly, but they irk me far less than the ignorant opinionating of some of the people on this thread.


Posted by: southbrooklyn at August 19, 2009 2:57 PM

Well, south brooklyn, as it seems that some parents can't handle parenting very well, we may as well chime in!! : P

Posted by: cobblehiller at August 19, 2009 3:10 PM

Southbrooklyn - I didn't want to have parents of less abled children screaming about what age kids say no. Guess I erred on the wrong side of caution - or it's just hopeless to think this can be an objective discussion.

Posted by: Arkady at August 19, 2009 3:21 PM

southbrooklyn- a tad defensive are we? No- I don't take credit for my sister's great parenting. But when she asked me, that's what I told her. Rasing a kid is understanding there will be years of teaching- or did you think a 1 1/2 year old would understand the word "no" the first time you said it? Even us childless folk knew that much.You obviously have issues- get told too often you can't control your kids?

Ill mannered children disturb everyone around them- not just their parents.

Posted by: bxgrl at August 19, 2009 3:46 PM

Ill mannered adults irk me way more than ill mannered children and there seems to be way more of them around this city than the children.

Posted by: newsouthsloper at August 19, 2009 4:30 PM

well, now you know where the ill mannered children come from :-)

Posted by: bxgrl at August 19, 2009 4:42 PM

I am the person quoted in the Times story and I don’t feel my point of view was accurately reflected. My complaint about the ice vendors is that they are unlicensed and illegally sell to children in a place they are not allowed. They have had the scoop out and are about to serve my 3-year-old before I make it to the scene. I called 311 once (not multiple times) to inquire about their legal standing.They do not have sanction from any health authority to handle food and there’s no telling where their product comes from. I had hoped that would be played up in the article. And yes, I do feel that bringing there carts into the playground is predatory. They are run out over and over by the police or parks people but come back time and time again. I don’t have any problem with legal vendors outside the playground in areas they are licensed for -- despite what the article says. I’m all for people making a living and for people to choose the time and the place to buy treats for their children. I love ice cream and so does my daughter who eats plenty!! I did discuss these points for the article but I don’t see them there. In fact while I was being interviewed we bought ice pops for our children from a licensed vendor.

Vicki Sell

Posted by: icecreamlady at August 19, 2009 10:20 PM

And this is why Park Slope mommies are the laughingstock of the universe. Learn some parenting skills and use this as a opportunity to teach, not as an opportunity to complain.It's your responsibility to teach your child. As a dad of 3 I can safely say that by 3 my kids had learned the definition of "NO".
Now about those fried Twinkies..............

Posted by: parkslopepaul at August 20, 2009 8:25 AM

Vicki:

I hear you. When one speaks to the press, there's a very, very high probability that you will be misquoted, taken out of context or worse.

Every one of these assinine reporters makes up his or her own personal agenda and then slants everything in that direction.

I bet half the quotes were made up.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 20, 2009 8:34 AM

Ditto what Dave said.

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at August 20, 2009 8:57 AM

no, i don't get told -- ever -- that my child is out of control. i'm just sick and tired of the fact that childless people seem to feel no compunction whatsoever to rag on parents and to brag about how they would do a much better job. go ahead! have your own and show us how it's done. the parents of the world clearly need you to lead the way.

Posted by: southbrooklyn at August 20, 2009 9:53 AM

considering we all were kids, and considering that what you teach your child and your child's behavior in public impacts others, AND the fact that you want to get ice cream vendors banned because it inconveniences you whereas I like having them around- yes. Childless folk have a right to speak up and we are just as tired of having parents think the world revolves around them and their children. I'll remember that the next time I'm in a restaurant and the kid at the next table is screaming at the top of his lungs through dinner while his parents sit and eat. Yeah- I think I have something to say. And if its " tell your kid to pipe down" then I guess they did need me to lead the way.

Posted by: bxgrl at August 20, 2009 5:06 PM

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