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August 11, 2009
Co-op of the Day: 214 Carlton Avenue, #5

We're liking the location (just a block from Fort Greene Park) and basic Brownstone-y vibe of this co-op at 214 Carlton Avenue. The 1,100-square-foot floor-through apartment's gonna need some work though and we're not so sure that the fact that the co-op board is "informal" is a good thing: Might make it easier to get in but it's not necessarily a recipe for a well-run or financially stable. The listing, which mentions a second studio apartment, is also confusing—it's not clear if the $509,000 asking price is for both apartments combined or just the floor-through. Sometimes these random situations are good opportunities; other times they are trouble.
214 Carlton Avenue, #5 [Mims/StreetEasy] GMAP P*Shark
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NO FREAKIN' WAY. I rented in this building for a year when I first moved to NYC. It must have been seriously cleaned up and renovated since I was there if the owner of this unit it attempting to get that kind of price.
BE VERY WARY OF THIS COOP. Check the coop papers and board minutes very carefully. And be wary of buying into a coop controlled by a couple that used to be married to each other (assuming similar ownership to the way things looked when I lived there, which may or may not be the case). You could be stuck between two potentially uncooperative parties with a small share and unable to get anything done.
Posted by: lechacal at August 11, 2009 12:58 PM
Link doesn't work.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 11, 2009 12:59 PM
The bars on the parlour floor windows look very inviting. What's with that??? I don't even see that in Bed Stuy.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 11, 2009 1:03 PM
This broker should be sent to the salt mines. You will see that they listed this place under unit 4, then delisted under unit 5 to escape the listing history. This one has red flags all around. Incidentally, they initially wanted $415,000 and 50% down.
This listing stinks to high heaven.
Posted by: Maly at August 11, 2009 1:03 PM
The lights used to go out in the hallway because the coop didn't pay the common electric bill. The electricity in our unit was turned off once because the building is wired all wrong and our bills were getting confused with some deadbeat upstairs. Took a couple of days to get it turned back on. My landlord (the owner of some of the units), ex-spouse was the owner of the others) was a perfectly pleasant person, but it was clear that the two owners were not particularly cooperative.
But I have a lot of happy memories from that building. I proposed to my wife in that apartment, over a bottle of Dom after a delicious homemade dinner, and whisked her off to Finland the next say (we'll always have Helsinki). Does anyone remember Liquors, the restaurant on DeKalb? I was there almost any weeknight that I didn't have to work late. And then there was the Alibi, that little dive bar a little further up the street on DeKalb. I didn't have a TV that year so when the attacks of September 11, 2001 happened I spend most of the next two weeks in the Alibi glued to their TV.
Posted by: lechacal at August 11, 2009 1:09 PM
Re the link - there is just an extra 'h' in front of 'http...'. Delete it and the link works.
Aside from all the other comments, the apartment itself looks like a depressing little place.
Posted by: etson at August 11, 2009 1:10 PM
Lechacal,
it's same old same old. half or more units are rented out so buyer would need to be ready & willing to drop 50% down payment
Posted by: more4less at August 11, 2009 1:13 PM
DIBS, the parlor floor was my place. I remember those bars well.
When I moved in I was almost completely broke because I had just graduated from law school and had spent almost all of the money that was supposed to get me through the summer. But there were these enormous windows and nothing to cover them, so I went down to the super low end stores on Fulton Street with my then girlfriend (now wife) and got a whole bunch of curtains. Set me back almost 300 bucks, which basically maxed out my card. I ended up borrowing some money from my girlfriend to get me through a few days before work started. But then the first day of work was September 10, 2001. We were supposed to get these salary advances on the second day of work, but as you can imagine that never happened. So there I was, in this new city, after 9/11, broke, and glued to the TV set at the Alibi because I didn't have a TV. Good times.
Posted by: lechacal at August 11, 2009 1:14 PM
The icing on the cake is that Property Shark lists the CoO as a rooming house. Talk about informal coop. I hope they don't manage to con someone out of $200,000.
Posted by: Maly at August 11, 2009 1:19 PM
WOW Maly. Can a lawyer comment? This sounds like fraud.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 11, 2009 1:25 PM
Fire escape on the facade. It's a wrap.
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at August 11, 2009 1:29 PM
We agree on one thing, BHO.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 11, 2009 1:31 PM
lechacal - loved that story. thanks for the memories...
Posted by: bkny at August 11, 2009 1:34 PM
Maybe that Coo is required because, even though legally a coop, the owners don't live there and rent out all the units.
Posted by: lechacal at August 11, 2009 1:45 PM
DOB website says this is an eight unit building and says nothing about condo or coop. I never looked into buying a coop but if that legal change had been made I would assume it would show up on the DOB site...no???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at August 11, 2009 1:59 PM
I saw these units several weeks ago. It looks like it switched brokers recently and was re-listed. At a HIGHER price than when I saw it. This place was a big old mess from top to bottom. The buidling is literally falling apart, with the central staircase crumbling underfoot and pulling away from the wall. The broker at the time said that the studio and the floor-thru could not be combined. Both units are in need of massive work, and the top floor floor-thru needs to be gutted completely. It is un-liveable as it is. The broker described it as a laid-back coop, with each original owner holding a floor thru and a stuio each. This brownstone has an addition on the side that makes for 8 units total. I think most are rentals. Everything about this listing and the showing just screamed "shady!!".
Posted by: mksk at August 11, 2009 2:08 PM
and senor brownstoner, you know i love you, but i blog and take the one second to check my links on every post... you seem to have broken links once or twice a week... [though maybe it's your side-kicks fault]
check b4 you post!
Posted by: sender9999 at August 11, 2009 2:10 PM
It's definitely a coop, at least all evidence I saw as a resident points in that direction (mail would be delivered in the name of 212-214 Dekalb Corporation or something like that, and the common electric bill (the one that sometimes didn't get paid) was in that name. Also, the owner of my unit told me it's a coop, and I have no reason to think the owner would lie about something like that, or anything for that matter. But's of course none of that is to say that the conversion was done properly, or any of the relevant filings have been made or formalities have been followed, etc. -- which gets back to my original point that buyers should be very wary of this coop.
Posted by: lechacal at August 11, 2009 2:12 PM
mksk: Sounds familiar.
Posted by: lechacal at August 11, 2009 2:22 PM
This is the coop: http://appsext8.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/CORPSEARCH.ENTITY_INFORMATION?p_nameid=935589&p_corpid=841473&p_entity_name=%32%31%32%2D%32%31%34&p_name_type=%41&p_search_type=%42%45%47%49%4E%53&p_srch_results_page=0
Posted by: lechacal at August 11, 2009 2:37 PM
Same link, but tiny: http://tinyurl.com/ko5ra7
Posted by: lechacal at August 11, 2009 2:38 PM
And if you search ACRIS for that corporate name you can see the transfer of the property from the couple to the coop. (I won't provide a link out of some sense of respect for their privacy but if you are handy with ACRIS it should be easy).
Posted by: lechacal at August 11, 2009 2:46 PM
I was just gonna say the term "informal" coop board in the listing means the common stairway floors desperately need refinishing....but y'all got a much better story. What a coincidence.
Posted by: mopar at August 11, 2009 4:30 PM
I was supposed to go see this place back when it was listed for $475k but the agent stood me up. Really unprofessional even just in trying to set up an appointment with the guy. When I was standing outside waiting for him at the time he proposed, I saw that the exterior is pretty beat up, and the building isn't kept all that well. Not falling down, but definitely not looked after by an active, engaged co-op board. I also spoke to a tennant who laughed at me when I mentioned that I was there to see about buying the unit. There's probably a lot more to the story, but my experience was enough to tell me that I didn't want to bank my savings there.
Posted by: GoGoMrPoPo at August 11, 2009 5:01 PM

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