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For old time's sake.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 9:16 AM
I only have sake with Japanese food.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 9:19 AM
Arkady, I didn't say it. He did. I would never refer to you as "old time". On top of the D-word, he should be #1 on your whoop ass list
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 9:20 AM
how come everytime i make brownies they come out rock hard? i always follow the directions exactly! you could chip a toof on them! grrrr. i did replace vegetable oil and used olive oil this time instead, but even when id use vegetable oil they would still come out rock hard! i brought them to work to share anyway.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 9:24 AM
What recipe do you use???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 9:26 AM
rob - try a lower setting on your over. it may be running hot.
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 9:28 AM
Just buy them from pret a manger.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 9:28 AM
"how come everytime i make brownies they come out rock hard?"
I had the ultimate re-write involving DIBS for this one but it's too early in the morning.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 9:28 AM
quote:
What recipe do you use???
duncan heines i think.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 9:29 AM
Rob - You should get an oven thermometer - you're probably cooking on too-high heat.
m4L - I didn't get the old-time reference. My 'puter's screwing around - maybe there was a tinyurl I don't have?
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:29 AM
I think they only come out perfect if you wear the chef's hat that shown on the front of the box.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 9:29 AM
Rob, you probably putting in too much "secret ingredients".
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 9:31 AM
Rob!
you MUST only use vegetable oil
ONLY use the Betty Crocker "Dark Fudge" Family Size brownie mix
ONLY ONLY use a glass pan that is on the smallish side(little bigger than an 8x8)
just cook it for about 30-34 mins
I always throw in some walnuts and choco chips t
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 9:32 AM
Gem - I like Duncan Hines. A neighbor kid makes them once a week & even has one of those ridiculously expensive but wonderful pans that is sort of "S" shaped so you get more edges.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:34 AM
Have you ever made them from scratch??? If they come from a box the only problem would be as Arkady said, the oven temperature is wrong...get one of those cheap metal thermometers that sits in the oven. Most grocery stores and hardware stores will sell them.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 9:34 AM
Mmmmmmm, more edges!!!!! I never heard of using that type of pan, Arkady.
If I think of it I'll share my mother's recipe with all of you tomorrow. Even better would be her recipe for blondies. It's a very good one and it uses margarine!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 9:37 AM
Arkady - my experience with Duncan Hines is that it's too sugary, so when you cook them the sugar sorta carmelizes but not in a good way - sorta gives the sensation of stickiness on the teeth
also with that S pan yikes- I HATE the edges - jeepies who likes the edges?
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 9:37 AM
Rob, you're probably best off just eating the raw brownie mix. It's easier plus you will have more bean bag time AND be acting in an evironmentally friendly way, especially since you won't be using any water to wash your dishes or your oven to cook them (which will also keep down your utility and electricity bills.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 9:38 AM
I can only make one kind of cake. No matter what recipe i use, it always comes out the same. Thankfully, it tastes not too bad.
Posted by: the chicken at July 22, 2009 9:39 AM
I like the edges
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 9:39 AM
The edge pan costs about $35. But it's wonderful. (I have to admit, I got it for the kid across the road so I didn't have to fight her & her siblings for edge pieces.)
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:39 AM
WNYC/Brian Lehrer show is tracking stalled development sites on a map. Check it out and add to it yourself.
http://blogs.wnyc.org/lehrer/2009/07/15/halted-development/
OK,enough about housing and real estate, back to the recipe talk.
Posted by: slopefarm at July 22, 2009 9:40 AM
i made brownies from scratch once. they were not as good as the box brands. ah, i didnt use a glass 8 x 8, i used a large metal pan and it was spread too thin. thanks!
my job is having a summer themed pot luck next week. anyone have any good summer-ish food ideas i could make? i was going to make a melon medley but that is boring. my roommate suggested getting tomatoes from the farmers market and peaches and make a salad with that with sesame oil or something like that. but im kinda open to other ideas.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 9:40 AM
Poll: For & against edge pieces. (I don't think I've ever heard of anyone else who doesn't like edges.)
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:41 AM
"I like the edges"
For brownies, yes.
For sicilian pizza, no.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 9:41 AM
Rob - Recipes for 101 easy-to-make summer salads in today's Times.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:42 AM
rob - have you ever made brownies with apple sauce? a box had that suggestion once and they turned out really well. did you put mj in today's brownies for your co-workers?
someone had a question yesterday about the pat benatar concert after i left. it's a double bill with blondie. and the donnas are opening. august 13 in coney island. this calendar lists free nyc concerts within the next few weeks:
http://nycfreeconcerts.com/?page_id=18
and this has a link for venues so you can see what is happening for august:
http://nycfreeconcerts.com/?page_id=149
chicken - answer to your question from yesterday: i'm not chinese but i look it.
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 9:42 AM
Oh My - I HATE HATE HATE the edges - hahaha
when I make brownies, I cut into sqaures, but cut off the edges. Wow, no one I know likes the edges
Rob - glass pan - trust me, and def dont spread it out to thin.
As far as the potluck - does it have to be a salad or cold food item?
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 9:43 AM
I like edging. Not sure many of you will know what that is though, and I don't mean the garden work edging.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 9:44 AM
Rob - Glass or metal depends on whether you're an edge person or not. Metal makes much better edges. Either way, Gem's right about not spreading it too thin - use pan size recommended on box.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:46 AM
Dirty Hipster, tell us about the McCartney concert when you check in. Unfortunately, it seemed to still be drizzling last night. There were rumours a certain drummer might appear, although he was spotted in England over the last couple of days. Any special guests? I'm guessing there were.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 9:46 AM
dave & arkady - those "s" pans are also sold in those in-flight catalogs. i forget how much but i think they're less than $35.
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 9:46 AM
gemini, I will meet you at the corner of 55th & Madison the next time you bake brownies. I will take the edges off your hands!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 9:46 AM
I detest brownies, but a friend of mine who loves to bake says to transfer the brownies into a tupperware type dish and put a smaller dish of water in there with them. Put a lid on it and the next day the brownies will still be moist and chewy.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 9:48 AM
Dibs - I don't want you upping the percent of obese Brooklynites so I'll join you at 55th & Mad.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:49 AM
$35 for the s pan? I think you all need to check out Amazon.com! Oh, and for things like pound cake and banana bread, it's end pieces or nothing. It's the only good part.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 9:50 AM
Snappy - Who has any left the next day?
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:50 AM
a) Love edges!
b) Rob, use Fannie Farmer's Brownie recipe, add choc. chips and a bit more baking choc - semi-sweet, get the oven thermometer, use the glass 8 x 8" pan. Always perfect!
c) Thanks winthropst, that was me. The Donnas! We may have to go to this one.
d) S-shaped brownie pan: http://www.solutions.com/jump.jsp?itemID=10726&itemType=PRODUCT
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 9:51 AM
"gemini, I will meet you at the corner of 55th & Madison the next time you bake brownies. I will take the edges off your hands!!!!"
- I usually meet at a bar or a Brazilian waxer to take the edge off.
Here is a pic of the Edge Brownie Pan. It's pretty nifty.
http://www.bakersedge.com/buyhere.html
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 9:52 AM
"Dirty Hipster, tell us about the McCartney concert when you check in. Unfortunately, it seemed to still be drizzling last night. There were rumours a certain drummer might appear, although he was spotted in England over the last couple of days. Any special guests? I'm guessing there were."
It was amazing. The rain didn't create much of a problem - it was misting early, but it seemed half the stadium was on line for shake shack. The show was surreal, i was sitting on the floor about halfway back and it was just an awesome atmosphere of young and old and everyone in between drinking, dancing and having a great time.
Boy Biff - Paul still has it, and sang all of the Beatles hits (2 encores)
Unfortunately no special guests - and I was a little dissapointed as I feel everyone was expecting one (Billy Joel popped into an earlier show) But it was still great, well worth the price of admission.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 9:52 AM
Just checked on Amazon - $34.95
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:52 AM
Snappy is right about tupperware. I let my brownies stand for about 5 mins in the cooking pan that immediately transfer to tupperware!
Dibs - haha I will put them in ziplock baggies!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 9:53 AM
winthropst, it was me who asked "are you Chinese?". no worry about the confusion cause we Chinaman all look the same (albeit Chicken is skinny as rail and I'm chubby)
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 9:53 AM
"dave & arkady - those "s" pans are also sold in those in-flight catalogs. i forget how much but i think they're less than $35."
They are $34.95. winthropst, "COME ON DOWN. You are the next contestant on the PLUSA is Right."
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 9:53 AM
Does anyone bake their own bread????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 9:54 AM
Arkady...when my friend bakes, it's literally enough to feed at least 30 folks! There are always left-overs!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 9:54 AM
I looked everywhere for a better price - this was 3 years ago. I thought maybe it was just "early adaptor" penalty but they haven't come down at all & aren't available many places.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:56 AM
DH, that is so great. Now I'm having the remorse I knew I would have by not going. But I'm really glad you loved it. I told you he never disappoints in concert.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 9:56 AM
I make unbeleiveable cranberry sqaures oh and peanut butter kiss thumbprint cookies
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 9:57 AM
I don't bake or cook. I know my role and that's to eat
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 9:58 AM
I don't do peanut butter flavored anything.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 9:58 AM
The pan on the link I posted is more of a thick font "E" than an "S", which seems even better for edges.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 9:59 AM
Yeah Biff - and you were spot on about his supporting band too - they were amazing musicians in their own right (the samoan-looking drummer was awesome)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 9:59 AM
My "best" dessert is chocolate cream pie.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 9:59 AM
quote:
I like edging. Not sure many of you will know what that is though, and I don't mean the garden work edging.
LOL that's what do. on my beanbag. for a few hours. lol
i was watching intervention, and this one guy tho would do crystal meth and then masturbate and watch porn for 10-12 hours at a time! u go boy!
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 10:00 AM
g10, could you bring the brownie edges and/or other baked goodies into the office on Friday's? that way, I can stroll over to partake in the goodies hand-out
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 10:00 AM
gemini, it could be anything really.
this is the theme
Theme : Summer (think fresh, light, fun, or whatever!)
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 10:01 AM
DH, was the drummer heavy set? Even though the one I'm thinking of looks very young (as are the guitarists he usually plays with), he's been with him for awhile.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:01 AM
dave - i'm hoping to apprentice at a bakery in august
m4l - i probably look like a mix of you and chckn - chubby with stick legs and arms
cobble - do you like the vivian girls?
biff - 5 cents goes a long way nowadays!
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 10:02 AM
My best dessert is the Jean Georges warm soft chocolate cakes.....incredibly easy...bake for 8 minutes.
http://leitesculinaria.com/3196/recipes-warm-soft-chocolate-cake.html
Heaven on earth.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 10:02 AM
speaking of cream pie, there's a bakery on Court st in Carroll Garden that sells good & cheap cream pies (banana, strawberry and maybe chocolate)
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 10:02 AM
Biff - Yeah, E, not S.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 10:03 AM
m4l, I already claimed dibs on gemini's edges. I'll share them with you but there'll be a costly price to pay!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 10:04 AM
M4L, Court Street has some wonderful bakeries.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:04 AM
m4l - Where on Court? I have to be there today.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 10:04 AM
Here's an alternative all edges pan for 10 bones:
http://tinyurl.com/lcs2o2
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:06 AM
Arkady...stop at Fish Tales and get some of their prepared gumbo, it's really good.
Does anyone know any store that carries the frozen lobster meat in a can??? I get it in Philly and it's really very good...about $20 and you get about 3-4 servings.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 10:08 AM
In '69 he was 21, but he looked about forty in Prospect Park last night--Jackson Browne can still rock too. Wanted to see McCartney as well but I don't do stadium shows anymore. Love the atmosphere DH describes; that's usually the way it is when these old guys play.
Posted by: dylanfan at July 22, 2009 10:08 AM
Cobble, do you know the exact addresses?
Arkady, close to Union Street. Do you need a mnemonic device to find it? :-)
They are the old school Italian bakeries, which I prefer to the newer, fancy schmancy ones.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:08 AM
Snaps - We tried that one - it's a p.i.t.a. to fill & brownies turn out more cakey than chewy.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 10:08 AM
I make a mean peach cobbler and also sweet potato pie....yum!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:09 AM
Arkady, let me stroll down court st on google street view to get your that street # or cross st
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 10:09 AM
Arkady...I wondered about that when I posted it...also it limits how many you can bake at one time unless you buy several of them.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:10 AM
Biff - If it's a good bakery my nose will suffice.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 10:10 AM
Snappy - That holds true of the E-type too (pan, not Jag) - it accomodates one box.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 10:12 AM
mmmm snappy. sweet potato pie? i never had that, i do love sweet potatoes tho, especially mashed sweet potatos, with the marshmellows on top yum!
*Rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 10:12 AM
Jackson Browne was awesome last night, and I got a nice, dry seat in the tent.
Mazzone's Bakery makes an AWESOME biscotti...tasted like cinammon.
Posted by: new2hood at July 22, 2009 10:13 AM
Rob, my sweet potato pie will make you dance with delight. It's my dad's recipe...he is an awesome baker...we like to call him Betty Crocker in drag :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:14 AM
for brownie edges how about using a muffin pan? they'll pop out easily if you pam them.
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 10:15 AM
Arkady, it's Caputo's bake shop near Sackett. per google map, it looks like #330 court st. it right next to an red apple fake chinese take-out
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 10:15 AM
My great grandfather had a bakery in Glens Falls back in the 20s & 30s. I heard that they smuggled alcohol from Canada in grain sacks during Prohibition.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 10:16 AM
Fish Tales is between Bergen and Wyckoff:
http://www.fishtalesonline.com/contact.html
Court Pastry is between Kane & Degraw, closer to Degraw.
298 Court St Brooklyn, NY 11231-4405 - (718) 875-4820
Then there is the Mazzola's: 192 Union St Brooklyn, NY 11231-3502 - (718) 643-1719
And Caputo: http://nymag.com/listings/stores/caputo_bakery/
And Monteleone/Cammerari: 355 Court St., near Union
http://nymag.com/listings/stores/monteleone-and-cammareri/
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 10:17 AM
Muffin pan...interesting idea.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:17 AM
m4L - Thanks!
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 10:17 AM
Biff, could you direct us to some pics of muffin tops???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 10:18 AM
Dave...did he also smuggle hot latin boys in those sacks? Ha!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:18 AM
DIBS, when it comes freebie food hand-outs, there's no such thing as calling shotgun for exclusive rights. It's he/she who shoves & maintains optimal position for the freebies, gets the freebies. if not, stare at the crumbs on the ground and regret you didn't push more aggressively
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 10:19 AM
Jerome Ave in the Bronx used to have great bakeries - I'm with Biff. I love the old fashioned ones better than the new chi-chi ones. I remember one or two down in Carroll Gardens but it seems a lot more have come up along Court St. since I left (the nerve!)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 10:19 AM
Caputo's is the one I was thinking of.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:20 AM
Mmmm...I just finished my favorite breakfast...cream of wheat with bananas in it and a side of crispy bacon. There is a God!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:20 AM
DIBS, muffin top, as requested:
http://hairtoday.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/muffin-top.jpg
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:21 AM
Enough!!!!!!!! all this pie, muffin, brownie talk got me salivating. Who's bringing some of these good eats on the next gathering?
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 10:21 AM
Sutter's!! Rego Squares!!!
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 10:21 AM
"Mmmm...I just finished my favorite breakfast...cream of wheat with bananas in it and a side of crispy bacon. There is a God!"
I had the most delicious breakfast cereal experience. Trader Joe's Lowfat Granola with Almonds with Vanilla Soy milk. Warning: if you don't like things overly sugary tasting, stay away from this.
It was a 10.0 on the Sweet-O-Meter.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:23 AM
Save me some Snappy, I'm on my way over!! : )
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 10:23 AM
Caputo's bakery is awesome. Everything there is good, bread, cookies, etc. Mmmmm. Mazzola's on Henry St is awesome too, the lard bread is the best in the nabe in my opinion. Court Street Pastry is good for some of the real traditional seasonal stuff, like sfingi and other Italian delights. Mmm so much good stuff. Making me hungry!
DIBS - if you want fresh lobster instead of frozen, there's the Lobster Pound in Red Hook (or Fairway is right there too if you're driving, with its nice big parking lot).
Snappy - just be sure to be careful with oven temp if you use a muffin tin, they burn easier.
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 10:24 AM
"DH, was the drummer heavy set? Even though the one I'm thinking of looks very young (as are the guitarists he usually plays with), he's been with him for awhile."
Yeah - the drummer was a heavy set hawaiian/somoan dude
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 10:24 AM
Should we have a Bake Sale at the next gathering so we can raise funds to print the PLUSA Manual that nobody believes actually exists?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:25 AM
did anyone watch Hells Kitchen last night? the one chick's signature dish was tequila french toast!
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 10:25 AM
Caputo's has this pastry thingy shaped like a horn with custard in it. Deelish!
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:27 AM
Rob, I can't wait to see what happens with that d-bag who wants to fight Chef Ramsay. INSANE!
A PLUSA bakesale to fund the PLUSA Manual sounds great...also we need to restore our kitty to get more tiaras since they keep disappearing (ahem, Bxgirl!)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:27 AM
DIBS, fresh / live big lobsters are selling for ~$5/lb in the chinatown shops. if you're interested, I can track down the one where my in-laws get 'em all the time
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 10:31 AM
"Should we have a Bake Sale at the next gathering so we can raise funds to print the PLUSA Manual that nobody believes actually exists?"
Pssst, Biff — Uh, uhm, I can bake really well, but do you REALLY want to print this damn thing, I mean damn non-existant thing? I mean we're up to about 1,780 pages at this point! It's going to cost an effing mint! That's a lot of baked goods! ; )
Pssst, Snappy — IX-NAY on the Iara-tays! You know how this just riles CERTAIN people up!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 10:31 AM
Biff, we don't want to impinge on the cupcake sale proceeds for the new church roof.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 10:32 AM
my muffin top turns to souffle top when i don't get enough cardio. sigh.
count me in for the bake sale.
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 10:33 AM
"chicken - answer to your question from yesterday: i'm not chinese but i look it.
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 9:42 AM"
now I am intrigued as I am chinese but don't look it....
"(albeit Chicken is skinny as rail and I'm chubby)
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 9:53 AM"
Let's form a comedy duo and tour the club scene!
Posted by: the chicken at July 22, 2009 10:33 AM
LOL Cobble!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:34 AM
"I like edging. Not sure many of you will know what that is though"
LOL. I like edging, just not on brownies.
Posted by: CarrollGardened at July 22, 2009 10:35 AM
*pssst, Cobble - don't you get it? By offering to print up the manual, it will give others the impression that it actually does exist so they won't question it. Of course none of these Asshats are going to actually bake anything to sell and, even if the do, they've already admitted they would eat it all on the way there. That deception technique is listed as on of the Top 10 PLUSA bluffs on page 10,435 of the Manual).
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:36 AM
ROb - we actually DID watch Hells Kitchen - wowow - hahaha I want to see that fight too - that show is kinda lame though - right? I mean they are all supposedly cooks who keep making under-cooked food he then has to throw away? - come on!
anyway - all of this dessert talk is making me hungry!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 10:36 AM
"10,435 of the Manual"
WHAT! you've added new pages without conferring with ME??!!! I'm incensed!! ; P
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 10:38 AM
Since everyone is so eager to bake and munch, I think you all should throw a combined Happy PLUSA B-day party for Arkady, Cobble and myself complete with goodies and alcohol. (Arkady, Cobble - help me out here!) Oh, and none of us are too modest to accept gifts should you wish to shower us with them :-) Just sayin'!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:38 AM
I was asked to be a contestant on America's Top Schlep.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:39 AM
"they've already admitted they would eat it all on the way there."
ROFL! I'm picturing everyone showing up with empty tupperware bins, crumbs on their shirts, icing on their cheeks and belching with satisfaction!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:40 AM
Snappy - are you all Leos??
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 10:41 AM
Cobble, it's the same manual; I just changed to the Wide Latin size 48 font.
When do you ladies with the birthdays want to have the PLUSA B-day party? Throw out a date.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:41 AM
"ROFL! I'm picturing everyone showing up with empty tupperware bins, crumbs on their shirts, icing on their cheeks and belching with satisfaction!"
And how exactly is that different from all the other gatherings?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:43 AM
Gem, Cobble and I are Virgos, Arkady is a Leo.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:43 AM
m4l, i can have the chinese bf pick them up. He lives in SoHo and works in Chinatown. I just have to educate him on the difference between a Maine/Canadian lobster and that awful Australian/rock lobster crap.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 10:44 AM
Biff, the difference is the presence of the tupperware!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:46 AM
quote:
Vanilla Soy milk.
biff stay away from soy milk. it gives you man boobies and depletes testosterone.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 10:46 AM
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!who said TIARAS????? I heard that- the vibrations made my tiara shelf rattle. Hmmph. OK....fine...I bake tiaras.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 10:46 AM
DIBS, tell him to go to sea food distributors for 'em. 1 such place is on Madison St (btwn Catherine & Market St; close to a parking lot). think that's where my in-laws get them
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 10:47 AM
"Gem, Cobble and I are Virgos, Arkady is a Leo."
Virgo here.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 10:48 AM
"Cobble, it's the same manual; I just changed to the Wide Latin size 48 font."
Cobble, I'm with the same manuel; he's the latin 4'8" size.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 10:49 AM
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Don't f*ck with bike messengers (video of altercation between cyclist and ped)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 10:50 AM
chckn - maybe we were switched as babies at the hospital? i always wanted to do a cabaret act like the sweeney sisters on snl. i can't carry a tune but i think that would be part of the fun. i know a great bar on a lake near the delaware water gap that is so david lynch - the bartendress has the biggest shellacked bouffant - we could practice our rotten tomato target skills there.
biff - i was asked to audition for "what not to wear" years ago. to be stacy london's co-host. have never seen the show though. i declined since i mumble way too much and they'd probably have to subtitle me.
snappy - i dated 5 leos in a row when i was 18. i realized then there must be something to asstrology.
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 10:50 AM
"Biff, the difference is the presence of the tupperware!"
ROFL, Snappy!
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:50 AM
"Arkady, Cobble and myself complete with goodies and alcohol."
YES! YES! and YES!
Almost any Thursday is good for me!
"the difference is the presence of the tupperware!"
AKA "The evidence!".
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 10:51 AM
Aquarius (hardcore one) here. rising Pisces, and moon in Libra. the astrological trifecta of ridiculousness.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 10:52 AM
DH, fellow Virgo, join in the B-Day bash. You all now have to buy presents and bake goodies for DH as well. It's a PLUSA foursome! woooohoooo! Anyone else a Virgo or Leo? Don't be shy...step on up!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:54 AM
oh Virgos.....
my rising sign is virgo!
Leos are fun - happy go lucky, want to be the center of attention and super friendly, fiercely loyal
Virgos - are prim and proper, well mannered, organized and clean - always puts out a "pull-together" look
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 10:54 AM
Bxgirl, we will be expectin you to bring tiaras as gifts for us :) hahahaha!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:55 AM
" the vibrations made my tiara shelf rattle."
Oh lord, here we go...; )
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 10:55 AM
Wintrhop...5 Leos in a row??? Damn! You were cruisin' for a bruisin'! LOL
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:56 AM
Scorpio here, the worst kind as well!!!! And proud of it!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 10:57 AM
I'm a born again Virgo.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:57 AM
Long time listener, first time caller.
I rented a garden apartment in a narrow building last year with an exclusive, nice backyard near the F train at 7th Ave. The lease began Labor Day weekend. I am attempting to negotiate now with the management company, but they are trying to make me feel grateful for a $50 monthly decrease in my rent. They said the area has been signifigantly less hurt from the falling rents around the city (world). How much harder should I push? Has anyone negotiated a new lease in the area? What kind of rent reduction is in line?
Thanks
Posted by: TWSS at July 22, 2009 10:57 AM
Gem...I think I blow the 'prim&proper' Virgo thing! At least online anyway :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 10:58 AM
Thanks for all the bakery suggestions, I will try Caputo's.
I usually don't like Italian Baked Goods, they tend to have too much cream.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at July 22, 2009 10:59 AM
"How much harder should I push?"
TWSS, that's what she said!!
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 10:59 AM
"Long time listener, first time caller."
I like that. Unfortunately, I don't have an answer to your question.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:01 AM
snappy - i'm a sag (fire sign) so i know how to fight back
twss - answer depends on what your rent is currently and how it compares to the current market
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 11:07 AM
Biff, be nice to people who've justa rrived.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 11:07 AM
TWSS
I like your intro line too!
I guess it all depends on what comp apartments are now fetching in your hood. care to give more details?
I would neg a $100 decrease and see what they say....
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 11:09 AM
Hey TWSS
From what I've seen - rents in Park Slope (and the rest of gentrified brooklyn for that matter) haven't really started to drop significantly yet.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 11:09 AM
Welcome TWSS!! Your non-existant Welcome Kit and Manual are in the mail!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 11:11 AM
Welcome TWSS,
unfortunately your question might get lost in the noise of the Open Thread but I'll give it a go.
Check out Craigslist and see what comps are going for. Definitely go and see a couple of them to make sure they are what they say they are.
Once you've got an idea then you are in a much stronger position to negotiate. Take the price of a comparable place that you would be willing to rent and then add $150 per month to approximate moving costs and hassle. That price should be your "max", otherwise you are moving out.
If you really don't want to move out then it's a game of chicken between you and the management company.
Posted by: the chicken at July 22, 2009 11:12 AM
Anyone know of a reputable massage therapist that does house calls to Carroll Gardens? I'm totally wrecked from lugging myself around on crutches. One more month. Sigh.
I know this might be futile, but if we can keep it clean that would be lurvely. :)
TWSS - You're in Park Slope? My building in CG has had flat rents for the past 2 years. No reductions at all. And no vacancies so I would expect that the landlord views it as take it or leave it for us.
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 11:13 AM
I just renewed 2 leases around there - kept them the same as last year. Rationale: taxes, water & insurance increased for me & apt.s were slightly below market anyway.
Thursdays are good for me too. As are Weds. I just got a haircut though so my old tiara's too big.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 11:14 AM
TWSS, remember that even if your area has not been affected, others have been. You might be happier living in a different neighbourhood for a much lower rent, or paying the same rent but getting a much nicer place.
Posted by: the chicken at July 22, 2009 11:14 AM
Hey everyone!
Rob, Dave is right. Stop at the local hardware sore and tell them you need an oven thermometer. I had the same problem in one of my old apartments. If I set the dial to 350 degrees it actually went up to 400 degrees so whatever I cook I needed to adjust down 50 degrees.
The thermometer shouldn't be more than $3-4.
Plus, don't use olive oil. it's got to be vegetable. Olive is for cooking not baking.
I'd still eat the brownie rock hard or not. I'd just microwave it for a few seconds first to soften it up.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 11:15 AM
Rock hard is great for many things, just not brownies.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 11:16 AM
Re: Brownies
Add a little something special to your butter for an AWESOME brownie!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 11:17 AM
TWSS, I'm on the Brooklyn Heights/Cobble Hill border, and after my Landlord initially offered a whopping $30/month rent reduction, I ultimately negotiated him down about 8%/month. One of my neighbors did the same.
CH, I thought there was a tiara wait list for us newbies?
Posted by: CarrollGardened at July 22, 2009 11:17 AM
twss: 50 dollar reduction is decent. we got a 50 dollar INCREASE, so just 25 each a month, not horrible. i bet we could have negotiated. my roommate didnt want to tho i dont think. he's had the apt for like 5-6 years and the rent is decent for the area (i think. 2 bedroom plus den, duplex in prewar building) 2400, well now 2450 on first and 5th. what is your current rent?
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 11:17 AM
Arkady, we'll have to stich in a padded velvet liner to your tiara. Would you prefer royal purple or red?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 11:18 AM
stitch.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 11:18 AM
Tiaras are overrated. Besides, the stones are fake.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 11:18 AM
Thanks everyone. I guess the hang up for me is the garden which makes it harder to find a truly comparable apartment in the area. Considering the cost of moving, I guess this turns into a game of chicken. It would be easy to flip into a commoditized apartment, but we just moved in. Unless we are saving $200 per month somewhere else, the moving premium will eat up any savings from a new, lower rent. Thanks for the warm welcome (TWHS).
Posted by: TWSS at July 22, 2009 11:19 AM
"Besides, the stones are fake."
Shhhh! That's just what I tell everyone so they don't swipe it from me.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 11:20 AM
" reputable massage therapist that does house calls to Carroll Gardens?"
CG_ups, sorry to hear you are still on the crutches. : (
Maybe call Debbie at what was Home Spa, and now is Mariposa? She might know?
CGar, uhm-uh, oh, uh, right! Yes, there is a wait list. It may take us a couple uh, years to catch up, uh, get back to me in 2012 or so!!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 11:20 AM
Rob - Your rent went up so they could pay for tree maintenance.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 11:20 AM
thanks cobblehiller! i was starting to get paranoid that i had cooties from non-responses to my OT postings :)
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 11:22 AM
THL - Red, please, w/ ermine trim. Thanks.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 11:22 AM
I HATE 311!!!
Question: Have any of you ever heard anything about NYC refusing to collect garbage that is in a white garbage bag? I'm talking your standard Glad brand tall white kitchen bag with the red handles.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:24 AM
CG_ups, I would've responded, but I couldn't think of a massage therapist to refer and keep my response clean at the same time!
Posted by: CarrollGardened at July 22, 2009 11:24 AM
"How much harder should I push? Has anyone negotiated a new lease in the area? What kind of rent reduction is in line?"
-25% off!
"From what I've seen - rents in Park Slope
You don't live in Park Slope!
" (and the rest of gentrified brooklyn for that matter) haven't really started to drop significantly yet."
Oh yes they have!!
The Assheads are giving up! Apartments that have been empty the Landlords are taking anything to get them rented!
We are days away from my crash time frame. August 1, 2009 will start the "Long Goodbye" to the Assheads who have F*********** our economic system!
Remember last year when I made my prediction and everyone laughed at me?
A Nuclear Bomb have three stages 1. Flash 2.Shockwave 3. Radiation.
Flash- October 2008 the retards think the worse is over with the "Green Shoots" Nonsense but that was the beginning of the whole collapse of the Mutant Asset Bubble!
Shockwave- Here it comes!!!! This Fall you are going to witness the greatest collapse on Wall Street! All of the Lies will be out in the open. Our Banking System is insolvent and the Government will not be able to save it!
Radiation- DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION!
The What (It's been fun)
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 22, 2009 11:25 AM
I love you "The What" - you really float my boat.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 11:27 AM
CG_ups, it's just Brownstoner induced ADHD! Defined as a severe reduction in attention span to posts!! ; )
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 11:27 AM
Snappy - A neighbor of mine said she had a problem w/ white bags unless they're in a bin.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 11:28 AM
well i guess i really WILL be squatting in that lovely new scarano empty condo down the block from me (fyi, i know of 3 entry points into it.) oh yeah!
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 11:29 AM
Typical What post....Lots of bullshit but no specifics.
Tell us What, why will WallStreet implode in 4 months!!!!!
Which lies are not out in the open???
You sound like an infomercial .
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 11:31 AM
CG_ups, stop using "reputable" on top of "keep it clean" and you'll get the responses. That was like ordering a low calorie McD's burger combo and you wonder why the cashier is STILL just standing there staring at you
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 11:31 AM
But what if you live on an Avenue, not in a private building like a b-stone and you can't use bins?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:31 AM
I regularly put out white bags, even the smaller ones that only hold a day or two worth of stufff, bags I get from the grocery store with no drawstrings. I see lots of white bags along the street and they get picked up.
No need to rewrite that last sentence.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 11:32 AM
Snappy - I just looked at NYC.gov
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dsny/html/faq/packaging.shtml
There's no mention of white at all - just injunctions about red & brown.
I use supermarket bags too but I put them in a neighbor's bin.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 11:36 AM
I put them in a bin so dogs won't gnaw on them.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 11:37 AM
Also, I've been using the same box of bags forever and a day (got a box of like 300 bags at Sam's club a year or so ago). Never had a problem until now. The 311 douche actually asked me what color bags others on the street use. I was like, how the eff should I know? I put the trash out when it's dark and I don't make a habit of inspecting other people's trash! He then tried to tell me that I must have put something in the bag that's not allowed. I asked him if I'm supposed to recycle food scraps and cat sh!t. Dillweed! I just got a call from the DOS and it turns out the jackass at 311 sent up my address as 5th ave in Manhattan so now I likely have a summons to tend to. Nimrods!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:37 AM
I think the only issue is the recycle bags need to be blue or clear.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 11:38 AM
But wait a sec Snappy, doesn't your building supply bins? Why do you have to put it out on the street? My building has a couple guys that come by the night before the trash pick up and stuff our little garbage bags from the bins into a big bag and curb them.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 11:38 AM
Snappy, putting the white bags on the street is just tacky. It just is. That would never fly on my block. Bite the bullet get some cheap black plastic bags.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 11:39 AM
Cobble, I'm the only tenant (residential) in my building. There is an office below me and just my apt. above it. Living on that stretch of 5th ave, there is no room for outdoor bins...it would block the sidewalk. I have to put out my trash myself on the collection nights.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:40 AM
Tell us What, why will WallStreet implode in 4 months!!!!!
Look at the 2Q Conference calls Dumbass! You got a Bloomberg Terminal right?
Everyone's off between 15-35% YOY! That's DEPRESSION land!
I tell you one better Dave! Why don't you put your house on the market for 1.1 million since you think Stuyvesant Heights have "Million Dollar" stock Brownstones, lets test that theory. Let me see you clear 1 million after transaction fee's.
Remember a year ago...
The best thing about this Fall's collapse is you losing Dave. That's going to make my day!
Aug 1, 2009 90 days to implosion!
The What (Thanks guys for the good times)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 22, 2009 11:40 AM
ENY, I paid for white bags, I still have white bags, I'm gonna use the white bags until they run out! I will not be forced to buy more bags when the ones I have are perfectly fine!!! Dagnabbit!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:42 AM
So Snappy, did they actually not pick up yours but did the rest of the street???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 11:43 AM
quote:
Snappy, putting the white bags on the street is just tacky. It just is. That would never fly on my block. Bite the bullet get some cheap black plastic bags.
that's RACIST! hahah
agree white bags are tacky. even tackier are the white trash bags that come in scents lol
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 11:44 AM
"I just got a call from the DOS and it turns out the jackass at 311 sent up my address as 5th ave in Manhattan so now I likely have a summons to tend to. Nimrods!"
Oh no these are the same douches the rest of Brooklyn has to put up with!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 22, 2009 11:46 AM
Snappy - Get a magic marker & write, "Black" on the bags.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 11:47 AM
Yep, Dave... that's exactly what happened.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:47 AM
Apparently all you need to answer the phone at 311 is a hand to pick up the phone, a pocket full of ignorance, and a craptastic attitude. ARRRRGHHH!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:50 AM
Maybe it's because it's a mixed-use commercial building? So just do as I do - stick it in someone else's bin or in front of another bldg.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 11:50 AM
Anyone want to go in with me on this house? This is new construction done right. So pretty but big, so I figure we could all share it.
http://hookedonhouses.net/
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 11:50 AM
Ah, I get it now. I thought you lived on a side street for some reason.
Go get the cheapcheapcheap black bags and pop the white bags in there? What does the store do with it's trash? Can you piggy back on them?
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 11:51 AM
"I will not be forced to buy more bags when the ones I have are perfectly fine!!!"
Hey Snappy - use the bags. I'm just sayin.
On another note, you can breathe easy because.....
http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE56J53920090720?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&rpc=69
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 11:51 AM
Arkady! LOL!!! I think as payback I'm gonna stop adding baking soda to the bags and let the full effect of the cat sh!t fly in their faces. Numbskulls! (But I'm not angry or anything :) )
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:52 AM
Snappy, any way you could also let them marinate in the hot summer sun?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 11:54 AM
THL, I somehow suspect the agent would ask for our finances / prequalification b4 we get an appointmt to see the house
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 11:54 AM
"I figure we could all share it."
"13,380-square-foot home sits outside Nashville on 5.22 gated acres"
Geez-a-la-effing-louise!! We can all move in and never see each other!
I'm in! We can build like 9 or 10 other houses on that much land!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 11:54 AM
Arkady, there are no bins anywhere near me...that whole stretch of 5th Ave just puts the bags at the curb. On my side of the street I'm the only residential trash pick-up...the businesses have private pick-up that comes on diff nights than the DOS. I know their bags are green and my white one would stick out like a sore thumb and likely be left behind by the private pick-up company as well.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:55 AM
Uhm Snappy, Lemme get this straight....
You add baking soda to the trash before you throw it out so that it won't stink for the garbage men??
Wow. I am speechless! Full Stop.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 11:55 AM
ENY, I know it's only July and Yankee fans don't talk about these things. However, I couldn't help but grin when looking at the AL East standings today.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 11:56 AM
Snappy, believe sanitation dept is the highest paying crew among the municipal functions so some cat dodo stink is nothing compared to firemen to facing death to save people - ie they can deal with it (their big paychk is the ultimate deodorant)
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 11:57 AM
Can I get in on that house? I don't know about living in Nashville though...gotta think about that one! Can we get a loan to have that baby picked up and moved to Brooklyn?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:57 AM
I just LOVE the interior. Those massive herringbone floors- GORGEOUS! It's not at all country hokey which is what I would have thought.
We could even get a few horses to ride around on. Plenty of room to build a stable.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 11:57 AM
Yoo Hoo Dave what happen to my challenge? Put your house on the market and let's see what we can get Assboy!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 22, 2009 11:58 AM
"THL, I somehow suspect the agent would ask for our finances / prequalification b4 we get an appointmt to see the house"
blah, blah, blah....I'll bring my coffee can full of change and everyone else can bring theirs. There's plenty of counter space for us to count it all out on.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 11:59 AM
I know, Cobble, I know...I'm thoroughly neurotic! But also, it helps me out. Where I have to put my trash is basically outside one of my bedroom windows. On warm, breezy nights, I don't want the smell of cat sh!t wafting in and tickling my sniffer!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 11:59 AM
Wow, snappy- I never heard that one. since when? I always put mine out in tacky whate bags with ties- sometimes the garbage bin is full so I put it next to it. Never had a problem- never ever heard white bags were a no no. Personally I don't buy garbage bags for the color- except for recyclables- black bags are usually much larger and I don't want to hold onto my garbage until it rots in order to get enough to fill one of them. Boy- city services (is that an oxymoron?0 just gets dumber every day.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 11:59 AM
M4L,
This might be for you if you want to be DIBS's neighbor (I think this is close enough to him but I might be wrong).
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/reo/1273812741.html
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 12:00 PM
"Yoo Hoo Dave what happen to my challenge? Put your house on the market and let's see what we can get Assboy!"
What, isn't it a moot point if he has no desire to sell?
The value can dip, tank and rise again before he wants to unload it. So isn't the bottom line what it's worth on the day he wants to lists it?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 12:02 PM
DIBS, you and I are sooooo getting tickets to this. There will be something for both of us to watch.
Carrie Ann Inaba...oh my!
http://tinyurl.com/nmbnes
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 12:03 PM
Snappy - All the pet food stores give you black bags - put your white ones in those.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 12:03 PM
Bxgirl...you hit the nail on the head as to why I've never bought black bags. I never see the black ones in any size other than gargantuan! I refuse to hold on to garbage just to fill up a sumo-sized bag. At the rate I produce garbage, it would take forever. Besides, when I get my bulk deal on white Glad bags, that's what I'm buying!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:05 PM
"What, isn't it a moot point if he has no desire to sell?"
THL, stay out of it. I'm putting you on moot.
just kidding!
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 12:05 PM
Arkady...Petco bags are white, Petland Discount bags are yellow...who gives you black bags? They are too small anyhow. My white bags are those tall kitchen bags.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:06 PM
Snappy,
Unless you got a ticket, this sounds like a missed pick up. Happens a lot.
People put out white bags on my block all the time with no incident. Unless this was recycling which must be in a clear bag (blue is ok for cans and bottles). Report it as a missed pick up. They can't ticket and will have to take it next time. Or get a can.
Posted by: slopefarm at July 22, 2009 12:06 PM
"What, isn't it a moot point if he has no desire to sell?"
Mind your business! If I want your opinion I will give it to you!
Dave where are you??!!!!! How much is that doggie in the window?
The What (Ker-Boom)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 22, 2009 12:07 PM
I refuse to buy bags at all. I use bins for recycling & market bags for rubbish. I agree w/ you 100% about trying to fill those massive black bags - stuff would petrify before it's filled.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 12:08 PM
M4L- Not ofr nothing re Sanitation men, they deal with a lot of rotting, horrible and sometimes toxic substances. A few years ago one died from chemical fumes in a garbage bag that was thrown out with regular trash. They have found dead babies and body parts- they get very little respect or appreciation. At the trade Center very few people know how much of the truly awful stuff they were responsible for taking out. While the larger remains were taken out with much ceremony and attention, the more disintegrated or minuscule remains were removed by sanitation men- many of whom volunteered on their off work hours to assist. They were wonderful, big hearted guys and the city treated their contribution like shit. No one thanked them or even understood why they were there. Bloomberg didn't even want to include the Dept. in the final closing ceremony until all the rest of us- vollies, NYPD and FDNY protested. So if we need to blame anyone, blame the city for trying to squeeze a buck out of our hides by coming up with ridiculous, unknown regulations.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 12:08 PM
The independent pet stores, I guess. VC on 9th, Acme on Vanderbilt, etc.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 12:09 PM
I think the Bombers are just getting started, Biff. But I'm going to chill 'cause I don't want to jinx them.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 12:11 PM
Haha Biff! No, I'm serious though. I held onto Wells Fargo Stock that held very firm over the years, completely tanked and then shot back up to fantastic numbers before leveling back out.
Thing is the only day that REALLY matter was the day I sold it and it was after it shot way back up so I did great.
Doesn't the same principle hold for homes or am I completely missing something?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 12:12 PM
ENY, good idea, especially since they haven't exactly done too well against you-know-who this season!
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 12:13 PM
What, does that mean you don't want to go in on LeAnne Rimes house in TN?
Personally, I think the fresh country air might do us all a bit of good.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 12:16 PM
DOS has been doing a ticketing blitz in the area and I think maybe I'm just next on their list of folks to try and get a buck out of (more like 300!). Slopefarm...I did report it as a missed pickup...that's when the twit sent it to the Manhattan district office for DOS...the Manhattan district superintendent called me and when he discovered I didn't live in Manhattan, he told me to call 311 again because by the time I get home I'll likely have a summons since 311 effed up the info and the trash has been sitting there since Sunday night and the Brooklyn office will have no record of my complaint thanks to the 311 ninny's screw up.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:16 PM
Indeed, Biff there are challenges to overcome. I repeat - it's only July. We will see those teams (Red Sox/Angels) again.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 12:17 PM
bxgrl, my issue is sanitation can and DOES strike to ask for big raises on top of already leading-the-pack salaries while teachers, firemen, policemen,.. cant strike. Because their salaries come from the same budget, I don't like the fact my tax dollars are allocated this way.
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 12:20 PM
as long as Yankees don't play angels in the playoffs, they'll be fine. Yanks have proven to be able to beat the Sox when it counts in the playoffs - not so against the Angels.
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 12:23 PM
M4L- I agree, but if you recall, all of those groups have struck in the past, allowed or not. Transit workers are not allowed to strike- and they did anyway.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 12:24 PM
Hmmm...we've spent a lot of time on trash talk (my bad!). I liked it better when we were discussing food! Besides, it's almost lunch time :) What's everyone having? Besides brownies that is!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:25 PM
I'm having leftover ravioli's from last night.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 12:29 PM
The Angels aren't the same team as previous years. Vlad and Hunter both on the DL - pitching isn't as strong (Lackey etc)
I wouldn't be surprised if Texas made a push to take the AL West.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 12:30 PM
spagetti + tomato source + ground turkey + plenty of fresh mozzerella cheese
massive portion too
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 12:30 PM
No apologies snappy! Could have been worse- we could have been talking about cats :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 12:30 PM
OOOhhhh...THL, what are the raviolis stuffed with? I miss a good meal of spinach and garlic ravioli....yum.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:32 PM
I'm picking at bits of cheese, crackers, olives and pepperoni. Not bad!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 12:32 PM
Bxgirl, technically we covered cats....remember the bag in question contained cat sh!t! LOL
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:33 PM
Hmm, spinach ravioli! I want some!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 12:33 PM
TYPICAL WHAT...Looking in the rear view mirror, The fact that earnings are down has already been discounted in the market. The REALITY is that the majority of companies are beating the estimates that have been ratcheted down too far.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 12:34 PM
I had turkey ham and crackers ( actually the cats had turkey ham and I got to fight for a few shreds)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 12:34 PM
Cobble that sounds yummy too...a variety of noms!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:35 PM
snappy- oh....right! I was so focused on the bags....:-)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 12:36 PM
i had 1/2 of a sandwich i didnt finish from yesterday just before for lunch. chicken salad with bacon and cheese and avocado. it was pretty good but now i have a stomach ache
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 12:37 PM
They're actually braised short rib raviolis.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 12:38 PM
Bxgirl, when it comes to meats, you gotta be ready to battle the cats every time!
Rob, that sandwich sounds good, sans avocado though.
I'm gonna head out in a little bit and find something to eat. I have no good choices around here :( I HATE QUEENS!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:40 PM
My friend's mother in law makes a homemade spinach ravioli that would make you sell your soul to the devil himself to get a bite. It's flat out amazing.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:41 PM
Does anyone have a good recipe for Spinach raviloi, I'd like to try to make that.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 12:46 PM
snappy, I don't believe it. Tell her to make some and I'll see if they're indeed that good
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 12:48 PM
Cobble, I'll see if I can get my hands on the in-law's recipe.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:48 PM
" it's almost lunch time :) What's everyone having? Besides brownies that is!"
I'm having a giant, E-shaped brownie.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 12:49 PM
forgot if I got / tried the spinach ravioli from fairway or not but have to say all the ravioli's at fairway are pretty good.
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 12:50 PM
M4L, if I do happen to get my hands on more of her spinach ravioli, I simply cannot promise you that any of it will make it back to Brooklyn and into your tummy! See what I wrote above about empty tupperware bins and satisfied belches :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:51 PM
Fairway sells it? Guess where I'm going today after work! Hot damn!
Biffy, back away from the brownie!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 12:52 PM
Snappy, then I won't believe you that those raviolis are that good. as you can tell from my posts, I'm a see / eat it b4 I believe it type person.
No source needed on those fairway ravioli's. boil them in water with a little bit of salt and olive oil and you're good to go.
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 1:01 PM
Did you know that there's a Citarella in harlem but NOT Brooklyn???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 1:04 PM
No source needed on those fairway ravioli's. boil them in water with a little bit of salt and olive oil and you're good to go.
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 1:01 PM
Well, at least you didn't say "gravy."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 1:06 PM
We don't need Citarella—we have plenty of over-priced food as it is DIBS!!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 1:07 PM
Anyone know where to buy blood oranges?
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 1:08 PM
cobble, of all people!!! I would have thought a pompous WASP Asshat like yourself would always be at Citarella. :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 1:10 PM
Ever had blood orange margharitas??? Incredible!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 1:10 PM
DH, you work in SOHO. you telling me the trendy markets or grocers DONT carry it? what are the pretty people going to do? Kidding aside, I see them ocassionally at the regular supermarkets (and assume Whole Food stocks them all the time)
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 1:13 PM
THL - that link to the house in Tennesse just made my day - I LOVE LOVE LOVE everything about that house!
I love when the What says "yoo -hoo"!!!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 1:13 PM
"cobble, of all people!!! I would have thought a pompous WASP Asshat like yourself would always be at Citarella. :)"
Pay attention DIBS: I'm a broke-a$$-cheap-pompous-lapsed-WASP Asshat!! I turned in my WASP membership card years ago! ; )
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 1:15 PM
I've actually never set foot in a Citarella, even in the Hamptons! LOL!!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 1:18 PM
Hahah M4L - I try to stay out of everything in Soho as much as possible.
I love me some blood oranges, but not enough to set foot in whole paycheck!!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 1:21 PM
Oh that Citarella one in the Hamptons is amazing....
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 1:21 PM
dh - Blood oranges were at Fairway last weekend - assume they're still there.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 1:23 PM
M4L, you'll just have to take my word for it!
I'm now noshing on a salad with grilled chicken...boring! But I do have a fresh smoothie made with granny smith apples, bananas and fresh squeezed oranges. That brightens everything.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 1:23 PM
Do you all drive/take car svc to fairway? Am I the only schmuck taking the B77?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 1:25 PM
"Yanks have proven to be able to beat the Sox when it counts in the playoffs - not so against the Angels."
Just because it happened before doesn't mean it will happen again. Eventually the worm turns.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 1:26 PM
"Am I the only schmuck taking the B77?"
No, Snappy, I've taken the bus down there too! And my bike.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 1:29 PM
ENY is a more pathetic, adamant Yankee fan than I am a member of Team Bull!!!! :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 1:29 PM
There are 272 posts from 9:14am to 1:28pm in the OT today.
My back of the envelope calculation is that we will have 499 posts at the stroke of 6 this evening.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 1:31 PM
ENY, Yanks just got spanked by bunch of no-names on Angels. That might not be a guarantee of loss but warrants at least some fear of it
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 1:31 PM
Thanks Arkady!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 1:32 PM
And feel free to work "the stroke of 6" into a joke involving half a dozen shiatsu massausses.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 1:32 PM
DH/Rob:
Any good (on the cheaper side) places to eat down in Soho you can recommend. I know Spring Street Natural which is ok and Dos Caminos and Hampton Chutney Company.. - just looking for something a bit different.
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 1:32 PM
Hmmmmmm no, Dave. "Pathetic" is posting incessantly on a real estate blog while simultaneously characterizing Twitter users as "losers." Sound familiar?
On an infinitely more important note, I nominate the following for today's quote of the day:
"I was not prepared for that," she said. "To see one of my heroes in a mugshot was not something that I was expecting. ... It just tells me we're not in a post-racial society."
She said there's a reason why you don't hear about prominent white people arrested in their homes: "because it doesn't happen."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/gates.arrest.reaction/index.html
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 1:34 PM
Snappy, always drive over and load up (and pretend that asian kid knocking stuff over in the aisles is NOT my son)
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 1:34 PM
"ENY, Yanks just got spanked by bunch of no-names on Angels. That might not be a guarantee of loss but warrants at least some fear of it"
It's JULY, M4L. As I mentioned a few days ago, fans of a team with an all-time great known as "Mr. October" know when to sweat.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 1:36 PM
"Hmmmmmm no, Dave. "Pathetic" is posting incessantly on a real estate blog while simultaneously characterizing Twitter users as "losers." Sound familiar?"
Isn't that even more ironic than pathetic?
But thanks for sparing me, ENY. You could have said the same about me, especially after that penultimately pathetic post at 1:31!
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 1:37 PM
M4L...LOL!!! You need to tie your little one to the buggy dude!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 1:41 PM
"Isn't that even more ironic than pathetic?"
In Dave's case it's more like pathetic because he appears to consider it to be some sort of perverted badge of honor. Not that I'm judging him.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 1:42 PM
Snappy, my son loves to push a cart and line up items he knock off the aisles. aint going to stop him from doing that but just deny he's my kid if store employees ask if he's my boy
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 1:43 PM
"DH/Rob:
Any good (on the cheaper side) places to eat down in Soho you can recommend. I know Spring Street Natural which is ok and Dos Caminos and Hampton Chutney Company.. - just looking for something a bit different."
Spring St Natural is good.
Emporio on Mott and Prince
24 Prince (Prince btw Elizabeth and Mott)
Jo's on Elizabeth btw Houston and Prince
Barmarche on Spring and Elizabeth
Peasant on Elizabeth btw Spring and Prince
Cafe Habana on Prince and Elizabeth.
Nolita rocks! I really don't go anywhere in Soho proper. i typically go to these places for lunch/drinks and the prices are reasonable - i'm sure dinner would be a bit more.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 1:44 PM
Great idea M4L, I know my mother tried that a few times!
I'm sure they still don't guess when mini-me says: DADDY, DAAAADDDY, can I have this?!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 1:44 PM
Forget it, ENY. According to the What there will be nothing after October. Don't you pay attention here????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 1:44 PM
ENY, this is a stunning story. But it's is a good one in that it reveals something that people don't like to talk about in these 'Obama' days. And that is: "We're not there yet."
You'd think the effing neighbor would recognize who they by. I'd like them to "out" the neighbor.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 1:46 PM
Ha! I can see you saying, "That's not my boy. Hey, kid, stop effing calling me daddy!"
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 1:47 PM
You started it, Dave. But I'm willing to forget it if you are. Just don't be throwing stones. You know what they say.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 1:47 PM
OK...this just came across Bloomberg....
New York Man Charged With Rocket Attack on Afghanistan Base
2009-07-22 17:37:49.608 GMT
July 22 (Bloomberg) -- A New York man was charged by
federal prosecutors in Brooklyn, New York, with attacking a U.S. military base in Afghanistan, according to court papers.
Did anyone see this rocket launched from brooklyn???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 1:47 PM
ENY, haven't seen a clutch performance from a Yanks player in playoff in a long long time. Even Mr Clutch has been very so so in recent yrs. Given my Mets are more DONE than overcooked steak, my NYC pride rests with the Yanks now. But I have guarded optimistism until I see yanks being clutch in the playoffs. the recent 2-1 wins does bring back memories of the last tropy teams
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 1:47 PM
my boy still doesn't talk yet and barely cranks out dadeee. if I'm pressed, I've got "just because the kid is asian doesn't mean he's my boy. Man, things have NOT changed at all"
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 1:51 PM
Oh wait, they did out her!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brandon-m-terry/
a-stranger-in-mine-own-ho_b_242392.html
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 1:51 PM
Just to tie to completely different posts here together, I saw an obviously stinking rich white lady get arrested on main st (probably not the actual name) in East Hampton a few weeks back after she started getting shirty with a cop over a traffic incident (she was obviously in the wrong in her Maybach). She could have got off with a warning but just kept making it worse for herself by what she said. It was quite a thing for the onlookers when she was put in the cop car. Didn't make the news though.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 1:52 PM
Just to tie to completely different posts here together, I saw an obviously stinking rich white lady get arrested on main st (probably not the actual name) in East Hampton a few weeks back after she started getting shirty with a cop over a traffic incident (she was obviously in the wrong in her Maybach). She could have got off with a warning but just kept making it worse for herself by what she said. It was quite a thing for the onlookers when she was put in the cop car. Didn't make the news though.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 1:52 PM
"I'd like them to "out" the neighbor."
I wouldn't. Just someone that saw something that looked suspicious and did the right thing. The police seem to have been heavy-handed but I think the neighbor is blameless.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 1:52 PM
M4L! Shame on you! Ha!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 1:53 PM
I hear you, CH. This guy has to be among the most distinguished and accomplished people on that block. But somehow his neighbor didn't know Dr. Gates, a black man, lived next door? Nor did the clueless cop think "This guy might be a professor..."
Like you, I think the "take-away" from this story is that we're not there yet, despite what some folks might want you to believe.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 1:53 PM
oops
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 1:53 PM
"ENY, haven't seen a clutch performance from a Yanks player in playoff in a long long time. Even Mr Clutch has been very so so in recent yrs."
I'd agree w/this M4L. We'll see what happens down the stretch.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 1:54 PM
I'm a carnivoire through and through, but if anyone's a vegetarian, a friend and I went to Gobo in the West Village. Not expensive and very tasty. And I didn't even feel the urge to grab a burger after we left.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 1:55 PM
Actually this same thing happened to us , sort of, in Philly. We have a friend who cleans the house down there. He is black. He's also partner to the guy directly behind us so he's in the neighborhood a lot. One day, while he was cleaning the house, he was sitting in our yard relaxing, having a smoke. We were not home. The yard is right up against the street as it's a corner townhouse. A neighbor, two houses away, called the cops because this black man was in our yard, sitting there, reading a magazine and smoking.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 1:58 PM
"a nearly sixty year old bespectacled professor with a blue blazer who cannot walk without the aid of a cane"
"12:30 PM in the afternoon."
Sorry etson, the neighbor doesn't get a pass from me. This guy would not appear to be a threat, or someone who would break into a house. Again, if the description were the same, with the one exception of the guy being white, would she have called the cops? Sounds like black man paranoia to me.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 1:59 PM
My neighbor in Brooklyn called the cops when my friend a White man in his 50's came to feed our cats and take in our mail while we were away. She had to give them his well worn set of keys, the note on the counter from us with feeding/how-to instructions with his name at the top Dear Ken...which wouldn't you know it match his ID. They also called us to confirm the story.
So I can say that yes, it does happen to white guys. I was kinda happy my neighbor was looking out, but that's just me I guess.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 2:04 PM
DH - thanks sooo much for all those suggestions
I think it's between 24 Prince or a suggestiion my friend offered up -"Bread" - ever been there?
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 2:05 PM
Just to update my boring story, it wasn't Main St, it was Newtown lane, which is opposite Citarella.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 2:06 PM
ENY, we aint there but Obama being president has done wonders. He makes black parents, black kids, non-blacks,... see the positive possibilities. I even notice it in myself. I always find black kids super cute - especially kids with massive fro's. Now, I think more than "how cute they are". I often stare at them and think the kid could be a lawyer, senator, and yeah, a president. Positive perception is a very positive force. Heck, I stare at my boy and wonder if he could be president someday - something I wouldn't have ponder prior to Obama being president. Mrs Obama rocks too. That's a pretty looking family there
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 2:06 PM
Likewise, no pass. He's 60+ years OLD! with a CANE! And believe you me, when a famous person lives on your block, you know about it. It was a racist response, and she needs to acknowledge it and apologize herself.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 2:06 PM
THL, a burgalar would have been in and out of your place faster than it would take to feed all those cats!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 2:06 PM
Sorry not She...He had to give her (one of the cops were female).
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 2:07 PM
Either the neighbor knew he was the homeowner and acted out of irrational spite by calling the police, or she didn't, saw something untoward, and acted out of goodwill.
Don't see how it being 1230pm influences anything. Afternoon burglaries are quite common b/c houses are more likely to be unoccupied.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 2:08 PM
LOL, we only had the two at the time!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 2:09 PM
THL: can you tie every post, no matter how tenuously, to cats?
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 2:09 PM
THL, Dr. Gates was arrested for "breaking into" HIS OWN HOME. Not quite the same thing.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 2:11 PM
I certainly try (just special for you).
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 2:12 PM
I can't believe Obama's approval rating is below 60% now. Although I don't really read too much into those numbers given the surprising approval ratings of some other presidents at the six month mark.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 2:14 PM
Snappy, I can attest to the yumminess of the Fairway's brand ravioli and pasta. It is delish.
M4L, email me when you have a chance. I wanted to run something by you. (BKJester3@aol.com)
DH - Consider yourself lucky that you went to the last show for Sir Paul since a co-worker who is obsessed with Beatles and knows everything there is to know about them (even has some underground British stuff that was never released) was at all 3 shows and said that yesterday's was the best in terms of the crowd. He said he did sing his heart out in all 3 but he enjoyed yesterday's show the most.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 2:16 PM
"Afternoon burglaries are quite common b/c houses are more likely to be unoccupied."
According to.....?
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 2:18 PM
As Brandon Terry said, this was an older Black man in a blue blazer, with all his luggage , and who needs a cane to walk. Yep! My first thought would have been ooooohhh- Burglar. NOT. I can understand someone being nervous and wondering what's going on but the self made vigilante should also have a big dose of common sense and an awareness who her neighbors are. No pass from me either. Stuff like that happened to me and my husband. Cops stopping us on the street to be sure he wasn't bothering me. (Yes- because I always walked hand in hand with a strange Black man sown the street), or stopping him in NJ for "driving too slow."
It happens and no amount of similar examples with white people makes the fact that racism still exists go away. Because you know if the neighbor had seen a white guy doing the same thing she would have gone over herself and asked if the door was jammed. Not called the cops.
The cop? As soon as he knew Gates was the homeowner he should have apologized for the inconvenience and got out. He could have easily ignored Gate's understandable upset and just walked away. Last I heard it is still a free speech country- we don't have speech police.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 2:19 PM
Biff, f those ratings. unless Obama is caught with an intern like Bill Bubba Clinton, he'll always be "the man" in this minority's eyes. For someone who can make me believe my boy can be whatever he wants to be - that's priceless, f'ing priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 2:19 PM
"DH - thanks sooo much for all those suggestions
I think it's between 24 Prince or a suggestiion my friend offered up -"Bread" - ever been there?"
We used to order from Bread alot at my office when we worked late. Some people love it, I personally hate it. Perhaps there stuff doesn't deliver well - but it does have a cult following amongst some people. To be fair it is a cool looking spot.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 2:22 PM
Just checked - about 40% of burglaries are in daytime, so "quite common" = fair description.
My initial comment was based on experiences growing up in an area that had a fairly large burglary problem, and I would have guessed slightly higher than that.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 2:23 PM
etson- 12:30pm is full daylight. The neighbor couldn't see it was Gates? Couldn't see the luggage? The cane? If she was that blind she had no business calling the police.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 2:23 PM
One would think that the woman would have recongnized her neighbor, Henry Louis Gates. Dr. Gates is a big deal at Harvard. This woman, Lucia Whalen, works at Harvard, specifically as head of Fundraising. She would likely be familiar with the bigwigs at Harvard. Frankly, the situation is sad, it sounds like people at every point over-reacted. Unfortunately, being a minority is still tough in this country, and I think that's why this story resonates with and frustrates so many people.
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 2:24 PM
Wouldn't the fact that it's daytime be more reason that the neighbor should have been able to see Prof. Gates and his cane and luggage (Do thieves carry luggage?!) more easily.
No, no pass. She owes Prof. Gates an apology.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 2:24 PM
M4L, here here!! On a lighter note, Mrs. C noted, while watching Obama throw out the first pitch at the All-Star game, that he was wearing mom jeans. I didn't think anything of it until she mentioned yesterday how she called it and it was all over the news.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12884660?source=most_viewed
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 2:24 PM
Awesome Kens - good to hear. The crowd last night was amazing. Everyone was so friendly. It's always cool to see music bring so many different types of people together (kinda like blogs pertaining to brooklyn brownstones)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 2:25 PM
"Just checked - about 40% of burglaries are in daytime, so "quite common" = fair description."
Source?
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 2:25 PM
I understand ENY, but, had he shown the cop his ID when asked do you think it would have escalated like it did? The cops were just responding to a call. I understand that this might be outrageous to him to be asked to prove that he is the owner of his home but what is the cop supposed to do when he's asked to investigate a robbery? Yes, I completely agree that the incident escalated to the point of absurdity. I don't understand why he was so confrontational from the get go. If it had been someone robbing his home he'd have been glad the cops responded. Didi they go too far once they confirmed he was the homeowner, yes. Did gates act unreasonably towards people who's job it is to respond to calls and were just trying to protect his home, yes.
Wrong on all counts.
_____________________________________________________
The officer asked Gates to "step out onto the porch and speak with me," the report says. "[Gates] replied, 'No, I will not.' He then demanded to know who I was. I told him that I was 'Sgt. Crowley from the Cambridge Police' and that I was 'investigating a report of a break in progress' at the residence.
"While I was making this statement, Gates opened the front door and exclaimed, 'Why, because I'm a black man in America?' "
According to the report, Gates initially refused to show the officer his identification, instead asking for the officer's ID. But Gates eventually did show the officer his identification that included his home address.
"The police report says I was engaged in loud and tumultuous behavior. That's a joke," Gates told The Root. "It escalated as follows: I kept saying to him, 'What is your name, and what is your badge number?' and he refused to respond. I asked him three times, and he refused to respond. And then I said, 'You're not responding because I'm a black man, and you're a white officer.'"
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 2:25 PM
And it's the Yankees over the Orioles 5-0 in the middle of the fourth.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 2:26 PM
"This woman, Lucia Whalen, works at Harvard, specifically as head of Fundraising"
WOW....this makes it all the more ludicrous!!!!!!! She didn't know this guy????? She didn't know a harvard professor that was her neighbors??? Christ, I know everyone of my neighbors on my block and I knew them after about 2-3 months of living there.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 2:30 PM
Biff, me too. He hasn't made single mistake so far - so why would his appoval go down? Doesn't make sense.
Bxgrl, re. your statement "It happens and no amount of similar examples with white people makes the fact that racism still exists go away", the point of those examples is that it does happen. It is not reported because it is not newsworthy, but that lack of stories gives the false impression that it only happens when its a black man. Its all part of the inflammatory fog of race war that accompanies these issues. People saying he got arrested in his house (rather than outside trying to get in), people saying this wouldn't happen if he were white. We can see what the facts are and this sort of hyperbole just stands to discredit otherwise worthy positions.
The bottom line is, if the neighbor saw some old black guy with a cane trying to get into a house that she knew a black guy lived in, then shes racist or a nutcase, but probably the former.
Having worked with many esteemed University professors and their egos, however, it wouldn't suprise me if Gates just said all the wrong things to the officer. I can think of a few profs. I'd like to see arrested.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 2:31 PM
"This woman, Lucia Whalen, works at Harvard, specifically as head of Fundraising"
Well, she's not a nutcase then.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 2:32 PM
"She didn't know a harvard professor that was her neighbors???"
DIBS, please. You don't even know half they guys who stay over in your own home. :-)
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 2:32 PM
"Source?"
google search turned up this, which linked to DoJ statistics:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Burglary-Facts-and-Statistics&id=1007750
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 2:32 PM
Really? You can't understand why Prof. Gates was upset?
He's 60+. He'd been travelling for g*d knows how many hours from China, he was exhausted, had some kind of illness effecting his breathing, requiring a cane to aid his walking. He had trouble getting into HIS OWN home when the door jams, and then to add insult to the injury...in broad daylight, a cop walks up asking him to come outside, give ID and prove that he lives there!
Let's just add onto this the not at all uncommon incidence of black men who are owners being treated as if they must be a worker in their own home. I have a life long friend who experiences this regularly when he answers his front door here in Bklyn, and he's elderly, too.
I'd be effing angry, too. And the police should be coached trained to recognize the difference between someone they have offended and how to diffuse the situation not aggravate it further.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 2:34 PM
Yeah, you'd have thunk she of all people should have known him right? That completely bizarre.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 2:34 PM
I know DIBS, right? It's totally wack. This guy is the Director of Harvard's Institute for African and African-American Research. A big deal. I think this post was previously held by Cornell West before he departed for Princeton. Definitely would be someone that people at Harvard would know and recognize.
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 2:34 PM
I would like to revise my initial thread post total estimate for today.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 2:35 PM
"DIBS, please. You don't even know half they guys who stay over in your own home. :-)"
In Dave's case though it would be INS showing up at the door.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 2:35 PM
Thanks, Biff...I forgot today's game was an afternoon game!
"I understand ENY, but, had he shown the cop his ID when asked do you think it would have escalated like it did?"
Perhaps not, but I can imagine the reaction of some of the posters here if after a long international flight, with bags in tow, they were approached in their homes by a cop asking you why she/he was there. Hell, I can imagine MY reaction! It's true Dr. Gates wasn't acting like a church mouse, but once he showed ID he certainly should NOT have been arrested. Furthermore, as CG Ups observes, Ms. Whalen would have every reason to know exactly who Dr. Gates is and that he lives NEXT DOOR. I'm with Dr. Gates - this was primarily about his being black.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 2:36 PM
etson - how long have you lived in the US?
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 2:36 PM
"I would like to revise my initial thread post total estimate for today."
Oooh - racism arguement. I'm thinkin 550 at least.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 2:37 PM
10 years, ditto.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 2:37 PM
Add my Here! here! to biff's, M4L. All I could think of when he won was all the hard work and heartbreak that came before and made it possible.
Maybe we'll never get rid of racism fully- if the Republican party has anything to say about we surely won't), but at least now we know everything is possible and achievable.
I'm proud this country could get to this point, but I'll be prouder still when jerks who make gorilla jokes about Michelle Obama, or California Councilman Gary Frago sends around racist emails about Obama get booted out of office (does anyone else remember those watermelon on the White House Lawn stamps?) because they're racist schmucks.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 2:38 PM
To counterpoint super-sociable DIBS, I don't know the majority of neighbors on my block. However, if you're a fundraiser for the world's preeminent university you're probably a social type.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 2:39 PM
Re: The professor incident
There's alot of different stories floating around out there - one i read said he didn't produce any identification that proved he was a resided at that address (it said that he produced a Harvard ID)
Regardless - the whole thing sucks.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 2:41 PM
I would have post-tramautic stress syndrome if what happened to Gates happened to me.
Is it too late to mention that margarine is disgusting and also bad for you?
Posted by: mopar at July 22, 2009 2:41 PM
afternoon, PLUSAs. what did i miss?
quick count:
dibs 34
biff 39
rob 13 (lame)
dh 16
ENY 16
arkady 30
snappy 49 (!!)
ok im sick of it. but you get the point. PL.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 22, 2009 2:41 PM
Remember when everyone thought margarine was good for you?
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 2:42 PM
What about me randi!!! Surely I'm up in the double digits! You're slipping!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 2:43 PM
My father made me throw out a stick of butter once, when I brought it home. And he wasn't polite about it either!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 2:44 PM
dittoburg- I understand the reason for posting stories involving white people and I doubt anyone here would say oh only Black people get arrested. But I think I can say that if Gates had been white, it wouldn't have happened because his neighbor would have assumed- or seen- that it was him, and never called the police. In the case of the white woman arrested, she was obnoxious for no good reason. And THL's neighbors know her so they saw a stranger go into her house and acted.
But I cannot believe a woman who was a neighbor, and head of Harvard fundraising didn't recognize her own neighbor and a very famous professor at Harvard at that? I don't think she's a nutjob, I don't believe for a second she acted out of neighborly concern.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 2:45 PM
Sweet 16
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 2:45 PM
"I'd be effing angry, too. And the police should be coached trained to recognize the difference between someone they have offended and how to diffuse the situation not aggravate it further."
How the eff are the cops supposed to know the trials and tribulations of his day? They're told to investigate and they do.
They get called out by a snippy guy who refuses to show his ID and is calling them racists. They should have just said, Oh clearly he's had a rough day. Let's just leave him be? Even if he is robbing the place I'd hate to offend him. Gates was being rude, and quite offensive. Yet, by the very nature of doing their job they've offended him.
Sorry Cobble,I love you but that is bullshit.
Should they have arrested him for it? No, they should have said to themselves 'What a pain in the balls that guy is' and called it a day. Walked away and left it at that.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 2:45 PM
Just like the Covert Race/Class Warfare here at Brownstoner!
You guys just kill me, you bunch of disingenuous Assholes!
Love Obama but hate your neighbor's. The same people who was here before you!
Can't wait for the crash!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 22, 2009 2:46 PM
Jeesh- and me, randi. I am humiliated. :-(
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 2:47 PM
It DOES suck. I'm not a famous professor but consider myself fairly non-threatening along the lines of Dr. Gates. I've been mildly abused by cops in Florida, refused service multiple times in Pennsylvania (cabs at the airport for crissakes), conveniently shuttled to an empty back room when front tables are available in NJ (ALL THE TIME). Every time it happens, it really sucks and I feel like sh*t. It's hard to shake. I'm sure that Dr. Gates has endured much more and way worse over his lifetime, so his reaction in my opinion was within reason. This kind of crap totally sucks and I have a hard time understanding why people want so hard to excuse the behavior of Ms. Whalen and the police in this case.
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 2:47 PM
THIS WAS POSTED IN THE HOTD THREAD:
This place is near the PJ's and it's been flipped few times!
Now the question is How much equity you lose!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 22, 2009 2:41 PM
I asked what was wrong with the PJ's but got no response. If an asshat (white gentrifier) wrote that he's be all over it as racist.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 2:47 PM
"if the Republican party has anything to say about we surely won't"
Not sure what you mean by this. Can't think of any Republican stands that deal with race much at all.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 2:47 PM
cobble 29
sorry. you are generally forgettable.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 22, 2009 2:48 PM
Damn, Snappy, you're kicking my ass in the posting today.
"I'm thinkin 550 at least."
DH, exactly. I'm tacking on at least another 100 to my estimate after seeing that article mentioned here.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 2:48 PM
bxgrl 13 (lamer than rob)
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 22, 2009 2:49 PM
THL, The police should be trained to de-escalate a situation. Regardless of whether or not they knew the precise circumstances of the situation. He was clearly of a certain age. Clearly upset. I'm saying I understand why he was upset. And I'm saying the police should be able to sort out and calm a situation down and not end up arresting a upstanding citizen who was offended by their mistake.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 2:50 PM
Sorry - Bxgrl, I love you but I don't agree with what you're saying which is basically the neighbor of the professor knew him, and chose to call the police on him just to give him a hard time because she is racist.
perhaps she didn't know who he was - perhaps she would have done the same thing if a white, brown, lavendar or seafoam green person was doing the same thing.
I think we're doing too much assuming about HER.
The cop on the other hand - he didn't seem as if he handled the situation very well.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 2:51 PM
"you are generally forgettable."
Kisses to you too randi. Charming as ever.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 2:51 PM
THL- the police report says Gates did produce id, and the officer says he gave Gates his name but would not give his badge number. By law, I think, in NYC they must do that. But I think the training would be better if it addressed better assessment of situations like this through considering all the facts. So yes, I agree they should have apologized and just left, despite him being rude. I imagine he thought it was unspeakably rude of them to even ask who he was. And I'm sure the cop was at his intimidating best- because they are trained to control a situation. Except, unfortunately, this officer didn't do that very well or correctly.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 2:52 PM
If you don't know what I look like, here's a recent picture...
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2009/07/sunset_park_wat.php
Posted by: the chicken at July 22, 2009 2:53 PM
"I asked what was wrong with the PJ's but got no response. If an asshat (white gentrifier) wrote that he's be all over it as racist."
Dave do want to start this crap again?!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 22, 2009 2:55 PM
"Love Obama but hate your neighbor's."
Wrong on both counts in my case!
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 2:55 PM
Actually, what's really pathetic is that you're fascinated with a group of people you label as "pathetic losers," so much so that you would take the time to tally up their posts.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 2:57 PM
oh,thanks randi- but rob (13), bxgrl (13)? And your count is already outdated- I am so less lame than rob.
DH- sorry- I will never be convinced she would have called the cops on a white, lavender or seafoam green person (she did call them on a brown person actually).
I'm not saying she called them to purposefully give Gates a hard time. I call her racist because she assumed a Black man dealing with a jammed door- (despite him being a neighbor, a famous Harvard professor whose presence is a source of money for the university, had luggage and a cane-) had to be a robber.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 2:58 PM
"DH- sorry- I will never be convinced she would have called the cops on a white, lavender or seafoam green person (she did call them on a brown person actually)."
"I'm not saying she called them to purposefully give Gates a hard time. I call her racist because she assumed a Black man dealing with a jammed door- (despite him being a neighbor, a famous Harvard professor whose presence is a source of money for the university, had luggage and a cane-) had to be a robber."
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 3:02 PM
CG ups - I think the neighbor has the suspect motives here. But if you escalate a situation with a cop, who is used to people doing what he says, you're gonna end up in trouble. I've seen it happen with friends. They'll take you in cos they're all pissed off with yout attitude. Having said that, we all know racial profiling happens.
As to your cited experiences, I can't say that they weren't due to racism. But let me tell you this - I have been ignored by the waiter in favor of others, didn't get a job I was supremely qualified for and have been in many other situations were I felt I was treated differently, but without any obvious explanantion. If I were a minority, I doubtlessly would have considered it was due to the fact I was such.
Quite frankly, to a white police officer " 'Why, because I'm a black man in America?'" probably sounds like an attempt to pull the race card than a legitimate challenge. Do you think he's never heard such a statement before?
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:02 PM
According to the report I saw, his driver (skin color not mentioned) assisted him in forcing the door.
I feel very sorry for this poor lady to have to go through all this when she was almost certainly trying to do the right thing.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 3:04 PM
Now this is what I had been asking for in my recent rant (was that last week? who knows!). A good conversation that brings out all opinions on an issue, volatile though it may be, without folks resorting to calling each other names and foaming at the mouth. You all make a PLUSA proud :) **sniff, sniff** Carry on!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 3:07 PM
OK bxgrl - gotcha. But we can't judge someone based on what we think they won't do.
She saw somebody engaging in suspicious behavior (trying to pry open his front door) who happened to be black. She called the police. Sounds like a good neighbor to me. I'd expect you all to do the same for me, unless it was a fine honey wearing a bikini.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 3:07 PM
Does someone want to tell me how they would respond to someone who is in a home that has been reported to have been broken into? The person initially refuses to step outside, produce ID and is saying you're just there because he's black and you're white? Do you know if he has a weapon, are there others inside, is he just trying to delay you so someone can exit through the back or get a bead on you?
yup, cops are always the guilty party regardless of the circumstance. I get it.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 3:08 PM
On the other hand, ditto, if you were a minority, those things would happen at a greater rate- which is the issue. No one gets everything their way all the time, and who knows why you didn't get that job? But I can safely say there isn't a note in your HR file that says "candidate is a white man" as there was in my friend's brother's HR file when he applied for a job he was supremely qualified for and highly recommended for. So a less qualified white guy got the job. My friend's brother found out because the friend who recommended him to the company took a look at his file to see why he was passed over.
And truly- there are times when the race card is used and wrong. But in this case I think Gates had a legitmate reason to ask.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 3:10 PM
"I'd expect you all to do the same for me, unless it was a fine honey wearing a bikini."
ROFL DH!!! I'll ditto that :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 3:10 PM
I'm ambivalent about it. I don't know all my neighbors by name but I certainly know them by sight. I don't think many burglars are (somewhat) elderly & using canes whatever color they are. I wonder about a high-profile Harvard Fund-Raiser's not recognizing Gates. There are conflicting stories about the cop/Gates dialogue so, while I think he was probably as civil as anyone older (not old, by any means) & lagged & frustrated at not being able to open his front door would be. The only good thing to've come out of it was the police dept. recognized what a can of worms it was & dropped it.
At base, though, I think it was bias on the part of both the neighbor & the cops.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 3:13 PM
"a fine honey wearing a bikini"
I might have to make a citizen's arrest.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:14 PM
"The arresting officer, Crowley, has a reputation in Cambridge for racially profiling and harassing African Americans."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/casey-ganemccalla/what-do-you-call-a-black_b_242397.html
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 3:14 PM
DH- , etson- I love you both but that's ridiculous. A good neighbor knows who you are- especially considering their respective Harvard positions. A good neighbor would know you walk with a can and if the car driver is helping you up the steps with luggage, you're coming home. "poor lady?" "Good Neighbor" How about "what an idiot?" or "Get a little common sense?"
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 3:15 PM
bxgrl, if your saying racism still exists and ruins lives, I don't disagree.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:16 PM
"The arresting officer, Crowley, has a reputation in Cambridge for racially profiling and harassing African Americans."
Well that puts a new take on it.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:16 PM
quote:
I can't believe Obama's approval rating is below 60% now.
seriously? why not? he kinda sucks. i mean he's handsome and everything (not my cup of tea but whatevah), but he's wasting tons and tons of money and i truly believe he's going to flush our country down the toilet. well, maybe it was headed that way anyway, but he's definitely going to be the one actually pulling the chain.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 3:17 PM
Rob! I'm speechless!
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 3:18 PM
I think etson might just be harking back to an old British campaign to stop local crime called "neighborhood watch" where all neighbors were expected to call in unusual acitivty they'd seen to the cops. If you took part it meant you were a good neighbor.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:19 PM
THL- the cops are not always wrong. I'm the first one to defend them and have done so many times on b'stoner. But they certainly could have handled this better and the neighbor is an idiot in any case.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 3:19 PM
ENY- Even if that is true.
The cop didn't call in to base saying we just saw a black man trying to pry open a door and we're going to investigate. They got called to respond to the alleged break in at the house.
That said I can't see how in this particular instance he could be accused of profiling.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 3:19 PM
I'm appalled, rob. You must be a big fan of Rush Limbaugh or not very much about what is going on in this country. Did you vote?
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 3:21 PM
ditto- I don't think even that program meant you were supposed to call the cops on the neighbor entering is own home. Isn't the premise that you know who your neighbors are?
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 3:22 PM
I won't touch the issue of whether or not there was malice in the heart of the neighbor - I can't presume to know what she was thinking or feeling. As far as Mr. Gates and the responding police officers, I think both parties acted badly. Do I understand his anger and frustration with the situation? You bet. Should the cops automatically know he's not up to no good? Nope. They had a right to ask him for ID...not just a right but an obligation to ask for ID based on the call they received. I think both sides got too heated too quickly and this was the unfortunate result.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 3:23 PM
"But they certainly could have handled this better..."
Agreed, but only after he finally produced his ID. There was NO reason whatsoever for them to have arrested him. That crossed a line.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 3:24 PM
The funny thing is that the Assheads on Brownstoner PROFILE black people everyday thru Covert Race/Class Warfare!
DIBS used the "N word" and no one here took him to task but everyone here want's to suck the High Horse's Balls!
You are bunch of Hypocrites!!!!!!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 22, 2009 3:24 PM
VERY WELL SAID SNAPPY!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 3:25 PM
arkady dont be speechless, im not a republican or anything (tho sometimes i agree with some of them more than democrats). i dont like any polititians really. i just get the impression that people like to lick obama's butt and not look objectively at how assisine the way he wants to run a country.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 3:26 PM
Not specifically Neighborhood Watch, ditto.
Guess I did grow up in a place where burglary was at the time a bigger deal than racial politics. High incidence of burglary and both burglars and victims were almost always white.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 3:26 PM
Bxgrl - I don't know all my neighbors. Could she be a racist bitch? Sure. Could she either A) Not know Gates B) Not recognized Gates - yuppers.
I'll refrain from sharpening my pitchfork and igniting my torch until I am shown evidence proving them necessary.
The cop, as ENY posted, has a history of racial profiling. I think we can freely call him a racist douchebag now.
this kinda reminds me (not sure if it was mentioned above) when some hipster bitch in the bedford ave station got stopped by a hasidic officer because she had a dog on the train. she accused him of brutality blah blah blah and everyone jumped on the misogynistic hasidic bandwagon. It turns out she actually resisted arrest and was spewing anti-semetic slurs at him.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 3:26 PM
"ENY- Even if that is true."
I can't say if it's true or not, but it does raise some questions that are worth looking into.
"They got called to respond to the alleged break in at the house."
By a neighbor who likely told the cops "a black man is trying to break into the house next door."
"That said I can't see how in this particular instance he could be accused of profiling."
From the Huffington Post article: "I talked to a black Cambridge cop about racial profiling in Cambridge recently. He told me that while all police officers in Cambridge racially profile, black officers were smarter about it. He elaborated saying that while black officers check clothes, age, and demeanor of men while profiling African Americans, white officers were "stupid about it" and simply profiled all African Americans, without any regard to the rest of their appearance. This explains why a well groomed, 60-year-old man wearing a blazer and glasses would get the same treatment as a young black man with baggy pants and a doo-rag in Cambridge."
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 3:26 PM
The What's picked up his "poking-people-for-a-response-stick" again.
Jab, Jab...
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 3:28 PM
....or maybe I'm just hopefully optimistic and need to take off the Ray Bans and see how much this world really sucks.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 3:28 PM
bxgrl, theres a certain class of genteel middle class British people try to avoid having to talk to people they don't know very well including accidentally not noticing them on Main st. and if necessary and running to the front door to get indoors if the neighbor's door is showing signs of opening.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:30 PM
quote:
I'm appalled, rob. You must be a big fan of Rush Limbaugh or not very much about what is going on in this country. Did you vote?
uh, please dont accuse me of liking rush limbaugh just because i dont like obama. as i stated earlier i dont like any of them. and i didnt vote. what would be the point if i think they all blow? besides id rather let other people decide who to put in office and then let them feel dumb when they see what happens.
anyway, i dont like talking politics because my viewpoints arent very popular and oftentimes pretty crass.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 3:30 PM
"The What's picked up his "poking-people-for-a-response-stick" again.
Jab, Jab...
Posted by: TownhouseL"
It's the truth and that's why everyone is avoiding it!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 22, 2009 3:31 PM
THL - I think people are doing a good job of ignoring him.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:32 PM
I mostly agree with Rob re Obama, especially on spending. Before anyone says, yes Bush also had a bad track record on spending. I am more optimistic about the country as a whole though. Perhaps I am just a starry-eyed immigrant.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 3:33 PM
I'm sick and tired of being called a racist by a racist.
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 3:33 PM
I think this is a case where all involved didn't use a little common sense.
The cops,The neighbor and Prof.Gates. - but Gates gets a pass as he was delierious from that 18 hour flight from China. Can you blame him?
The cops were pissed b/c they had to leave their post eating at the new Tim Horton's donut shop
The neighbor lady cleary is having an affair with Prof gates that obviously ended right before he jaunted off to China,so she was just getting back at him!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 3:34 PM
I can't say if it's true or not, but it does raise some questions that are worth looking into.
"They got called to respond to the alleged break in at the house."
By a neighbor who likely told the cops "a black man is trying to break into the house next door."
"That said I can't see how in this particular instance he could be accused of profiling."
______________________________________________
Cut and paste much ENY? Wow, nice the way you twisted that.
The neighbor calls into the police precinct. She didn't call them on their cell phones in the squad car. The precinct relays the information to the officers. Your use of the word 'likely' is nothing more than a convenient to your plot line guess. Have you ever called the cops? I have, when some teen boys were trying to steal another kids bag. They ask you to give physical descriptions if you're able to.
As to whether the entirety of the white police force in Cambridge profiles certainly is of importance and should be looked at but not as it relates to this story.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 3:36 PM
to add some fuel to this racial b.s., I just saw a outrageous & funny piece on CNN as I was refilling my cup of water. Someone is asking for Obama to prove that he's born in the U.S. (ie to prove he has right to be president). man, even clowns get big network coverage.
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 3:36 PM
Rob, I think you would love my ol' motherland. Communism would work for you. Everyone is "technically" equal and no matter what job you had, you got an apartment, healthcare (crappy one though) and probably a bean bag and Xbox as well. As long as you weren't any other race, Jew, homosexual, had goals & ideas, wanted free speech, liked your bill of rights, or wanted more out of life, USSR would be your dreamland.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 3:37 PM
GEM!!! Pricelsss!
O.k...no more talk of this as clearly there were affairs and delirium and donut separation anxiety involved. No point in armchair quarterbacking it now.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 3:39 PM
m4l, they probably got the ides from the semi-serious effort by some on the left to argue the same thing against McCain during the election. (McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone).
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 3:41 PM
more4less - thats why we don't talk to him about race anymore - what good is the opinion of a racist when it comes to racism?
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:41 PM
Did somebody mention Tim Horton's?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 3:42 PM
"....or maybe I'm just hopefully optimistic and need to take off the Ray Bans and see how much this world really sucks."
The situation sucks and it's one black folks have to deal with more often than not. Period. That said, we ALL have some kind of handicap/weakness/condition/status that might cause folks to treat us differently. The way I look at it, it's up to each individual to try to surmount his/her own barriers and seek success, and that includes black people. Still, I refuse to pretend such barriers no longer exist.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 3:42 PM
oh Gem - for the record that Jay Z track "death of autotune" is hot!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 3:44 PM
ditto- by those lights I am so not genteel :-)
dh- I'll give you she may not know Gates or recognized him. How I don't know- he is surely high profile enough (and should especially be so to a university fundraiser. ) But a little common sense- luggage? cane? well dressed? coming out of a limo? Hello?
I remember the incident with the Hasidic cop- it was very different from what happened here. So again I'll ask you- why was a Black man, in broad daylight with all indications that he was a professor coming home from a trip, to a neighborhood where he had lived for some time, be assumed to be a robber? When was the last time a robber drove up to a house by car service, had luggage, wore a blazer, and walked with a cane, break into a house in a fancy neighborhood? Never.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 3:45 PM
ENY, only idiots believe stuff like this doesn't exist. Things will get better but it'll always be there. We even get stupid sh*t treatment within our own race. Humans are just a funny, whacko, conceited,.. breed.
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 3:48 PM
What I don't get if that if she's nosey enough to be looking at the window all day to see whats going on up and down the street that she'd never noticed Prof. gates entering his house before.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:48 PM
"Still, I refuse to pretend such barriers no longer exist."
They're there. They're absolutely undeniably there.
I just don't think it's the right thing to assert it as being the case in every instance.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 3:49 PM
ok, DH- my stubborn pill is wearing off so I'm letting this topic go for the rest of the day. :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 3:49 PM
Good point, ditto! Exactly.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 3:50 PM
THL, I respect you as much as anyone here, and I happen to think you're pretty cool besides. But my use of the word "likely" is (in my opinion) as subjective as your account of how the information was relayed to the police, so for you to assail me on that basis is disingenuous. Of course the police ask for descriptions. And what do you think Ms. Whalen said to them? While the fact is neither of us knows exactly what she said, I'm willing to bet that she said "A black man is trying to break into the house next door" which brought the cops RUNNING.
And, not only have I called the cops, but my dad (who's deceased now) was in law enforcement, several of his best friends, including my next-door neighbor growing up in ENY, were cops, I worked with several guys who became cops while I was in college, and I even took the police test myself and passed with high marks, but opted not to join. I have a lot of experience with the police.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 3:51 PM
"without folks resorting to calling each other names and foaming at the mouth. "
Snappy, You're wrong. I read someone call someone Foam-green. That's an insult to foam-green insects everywhere who want nothing to do with us humans!
Aw, gee, Cambridge police profile black men, and badly. I'm so shocked.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 3:52 PM
DH, you're checking out those tunes via buying it off itune or somewhere? I'm a novice as far as this whole mp3 came around. my itouch is loaded with song my wife asked to copy off her sister's hard drive - ie no hip hop, no hard rock,...
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 3:53 PM
When I think about things like this, I become torn. Part of me wants to say, Mr. Gates - get your poop in a group and just act right....none of this would have escalated to such a point had you just kept calm, showed ID and then politely sent the officers on their merry way. Then the other side of me says, Hold the eff up...when will we black people no longer be told to keep our heads down and toes on the line so as not to kick up too much dust? I just don't know anymore. I'm tired of us black people as a group playing victim and I'm also tired of us actually being victims. And most of all, I'm tired of people in general like Mr. Gates and these cops who just take things to far.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 3:53 PM
The only time the cops literally came running is when I called 911 and told them someone had pulled a gun on me. They were there in about 4 mins.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:53 PM
"When was the last time a robber drove up to a house by car service, had luggage, wore a blazer, and walked with a cane, break into a house in a fancy neighborhood? Never."
Good to know if I ever wanna boost some sh*t all i have to do is wear a gray wig, put on a blazer, carry a cane and bring a suitcase then give a car service a call and spend 6 bucks to have them drive me where I'm going
I realize I'm playing devil's advocate here - and I'm not saying stupid crap like this doesn't happen - but this really could happen to any of us, and I'd rather not be called a racist when infact I'm just not very alert.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 3:54 PM
i like autotune. i love robotic sounding music, especially when cher got into it!! i think cher may be the ONLY gay thing i like.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 3:55 PM
"DH, you're checking out those tunes via buying it off itune or somewhere? I'm a novice as far as this whole mp3 came around. my itouch is loaded with song my wife asked to copy off her sister's hard drive - ie no hip hop, no hard rock,..."
I listen to Imeem.com at work to check it out - not sure how to describe it, but you can listen to stuff on your computer for free but can't download it.
If i like something I just buy it off itunes - all those file sharing things are too much trouble, and I don't like to steal music,
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 3:57 PM
Snappy, there are many people on this board, including me, trying their best to interbreed with other races so that in the end there will just be one race, probably a nice mocha color. DIBS hasn't produced any progeny yet, but his heart is in the right place.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:57 PM
I hate that autotune crap. Sounds like cheesey 80's stuff. When did it get so acceptable?
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 3:58 PM
Sorry cobble- calling an insect "seafoam" is not an insult. I will admit it is a little chi-chi, perhaps, but jeez- its an insect. They don't have feelings. They just....exist to make my life miserable.
Snappy- I've heard many friends say pretty much the same thing and I know there are situations in which we Jews do it too. It's a rock and a hard place.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 3:58 PM
Ditto, you crack me up!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 4:00 PM
DH- you only paid 6$?? what did you do? drive 50 feet down the block and get out? :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 4:01 PM
"We even get stupid sh*t treatment within our own race. Humans are just a funny, whacko, conceited,.. breed."
Definitely true.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 4:01 PM
Thanks ENY, and for what it's worth I think the same of you.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 4:02 PM
quote:
Snappy, there are many people on this board, including me, trying their best to interbreed with other races so that in the end there will just be one race, probably a nice mocha color. DIBS hasn't produced any progeny yet, but his heart is in the right place.
LOL somewhere out in Ditmas Park, Eloise's head EXPLODES!
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 4:03 PM
Can we get off this/these topic(s) already please.
Question for finance PLUSAs. Does anyone else besides DIBS have CFA? Just curious.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 4:05 PM
bxgrl, Are you profiling insects? You say they have no feelings? Hmph. I'm calling PETA.
Btw, an mosquito type insect kept me up half the night...buzzbuzzbuzzz...I killed it! They're eating me alive this year! Again!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 4:06 PM
OK, my take on the Gates situation. I agree with Bxgrl and ENY.
The Harvard worker SHOULD have recognized Gates. They don't have that many famous short, bespectacled, middle-aged black professors who live in Cambridge. He's all over public tv, the news, national forums, tv pundit shows, the works. If not from that, she should have recognized him from events around the university. There aren't that many short, bespectacled middle-aged black professors at Harvard.
At best, she should have taken a minute to see what was actually going on. I've seen people doing things that looked a bit hinky in the moment, such as trying to open a car door with a hanger. A little observation would reveal shopping bags, a child, an attache case, or panicked behavior that tell me this is the car owner, not grand theft auto. If she had taken a moment, she may have seen Skip's bags, the livery car the driver pulled up in, or best yet, she could have called a co-worker or 2 over, who may have recognized Gates, and told her who he was, or at least said that they had seen him coming and going into his house before.
The cops should have swallowed it, and put up with some verbal abuse from a tired, pissed off man with a cane who just came home from a long international trip and had to break into his house. After standing in long customs lines, waiting for luggage and a long ride home, I'd be a bit pissed too. Thank goodness his Caucasian wife wasn't home, who knows what he'd have been accused of doing besides breaking in? After showing his ID, with his address plainly on it, the cops should have apologized, and left. There was absolutely NO reason for them to have arrested him. Worse case there, they should have stayed at the house and called headquarters the minute they realized they were about to be in a bucket of deep public relations poo.
Full disclosure, Skip Gates was in grad school when I was an undergrad, and I knew him well, years ago. Scholarship was always his first love, but he never suffered racial indignities well, nor should he. He's worked hard to get where he is, and it's a shame that even now, a middle-aged, bespectacled little black man in a suit is assumed to be up to no good, rather than any other scenario possible.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at July 22, 2009 4:06 PM
Dave's heart is in the right place with this endeavor, however his lap taffy is decidedly *not* in the right place to effectuate your plan Ditto! ROFL
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 4:06 PM
Thanks THL. I'm glad we were able to discuss this without anyone calling names and using inappropriate language. The fact is I respect the opinions of most of the people here and was eager to hear what folks thought of this.
Now, back to the important stuff:
THAAAAA YANNNNKEEEEES WINNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 4:07 PM
True Snappy! But at least he's spreading the inter-racial love around.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 4:09 PM
"Question for finance PLUSAs. Does anyone else besides DIBS have CFA? Just curious."
I'm actually studying (well sorta) for level 1 right now. I have no idea why - I guess I just like letters after my name.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 4:10 PM
quote:
Does anyone else besides DIBS have CFA?
ugh. is that some kind of new STD to worry about!? :(
(chinese fanny abrasions?) sorry that was dumb
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 4:11 PM
Snappy, what about you and Dave? Huh? Whaddya say?? There are all kinda sciencey things available now that you wouldn't even have to do any touchy-feelies.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 4:12 PM
Ditto - agreed. I realize us whities will soo be obliterated by the sun rays, so it's in my best primal interest in order to keep my genes going to mate with someone black
hahahahahha
DH - yeah that Jay Z song is hot. I thought I told you to check out Pandora - a very cool free music site!
Snappy - I totally get your 3:53 post. Husband feels the same way
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:12 PM
Kens, I do.
It's not a difficult set of exams intellectually, just a lot of info to cram in. That said, I did level 3 ten years ago so it could be completely different now.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 4:13 PM
"DH - yeah that Jay Z song is hot. I thought I told you to check out Pandora - a very cool free music site!"
Pandora used to be my standby - but it's blocked at work :(
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 4:14 PM
DH, that's what I was thinking. I am bored but I HATE the idea of studying on my own. The only reason I went through undergrad and grad is because I was given assignments and time frame, otherwise I would NEVER do it. Ehhh.
Wanna take the Home Improvement workshop with me starting September in East Flatbush NHS? Its cheap and once a week. The only downfall is that it starts at 6 p.m. sharp. I have to discuss this with Santa if he can let me go early once a week.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 4:14 PM
THL, I'm allergic to children :) Remember that saying, 'if I wanted to hear the pitter-patter of little feet I'd put shoes on my cat'...that's my sentiment!!! There will be no Snappettes!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 4:16 PM
No whipper-snappers? Bummer.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 4:18 PM
Thanks etson. I am just not sure if I need it for my career really but I guess it wouldn't hurt if I decided to study for it.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 4:18 PM
Cobble - If they're making noise they're male & males don't bite so just go to sleep (& pretend the buzz is a cat purring.) If you don't hear anything, it's female & she'll bite - so look out!
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 4:19 PM
"Question for finance PLUSAs. Does anyone else besides DIBS have CFA? Just curious.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 4:05 PM"
Waste of time these day Kens. They make the juniors take it to make them a bit more respectable so if you're under a certain age then you need it to get your foot in the door.
Curious as to what your (or others') perception of it is.
Posted by: the chicken at July 22, 2009 4:19 PM
DH, imeem.com is great. just shows how un-hip and tech savy I'm compare to you youngin's
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 4:20 PM
"They're eating me alive this year! Again!"
You too? I swear, they LOVE me! My wife never gets bit, but I am certified mosquito candy. I can't go one summer unscathed. The worst was one summer when one of those f-kng skeeters bit my eyelid, which swelled. I looked like a freak for the rest of the week.
Posted by: East New York at July 22, 2009 4:22 PM
M4L - try pandora
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:22 PM
the CFA blows! at a minimum, it will ruin your memorial day weekends for the next 3 years. they ALWAYS schedule the test for the weekend after memorial day.
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 4:24 PM
"Snappy, there are many people on this board, including me, trying their best to interbreed with other races so that in the end there will just be one race, probably a nice mocha color. DIBS hasn't produced any progeny yet, but his heart is in the right place."
I've done my part...two times. How many of you other Asshats can say that?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 4:25 PM
gemini- sigh- I tried that. I'm a biological failure :-(.Just didn't have the plumbing so to any and all of my race, I apologize for not being able to contribute to the gene pool of the species. In my defense, I have helped the feline species however add greatly to theirs via never ending support and bits of fish. (I almost said chicken and thought- Horrors!)-
Honestly- some of them were better conversationalists than my last BF.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 4:25 PM
quote:
Does anyone else besides DIBS have CFA?
ugh. is that some kind of new STD to worry about!? :(
(chinese fanny abrasions?) sorry that was dumb
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 4:11 PM
I've had just about every one of them!!!! But Chinese Fanny Abrasions are something new. I've had Latino Rig Burn (LRB)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 4:26 PM
Latino Rug Burn
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 4:26 PM
Biff, you get a silver star for that. I'm still a bronze star.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 4:27 PM
bxgrl :(!!!!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:27 PM
Kens,
Some finance jobs at the junior to mid level will specify 'MBA or CFA', so it can be a cheap, if much narrower, alternative to an MBA. I majored in history at undergrad level and don't have an MBA so it was useful for me when applying for jobs a few years ago.
Unless you are planning a career change from your current role into banking or asset management it is probably not that useful.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 4:27 PM
"Snappy, there are many people on this board, including me, trying their best to interbreed with other races so that in the end there will just be one race, probably a nice mocha color. DIBS hasn't produced any progeny yet, but his heart is in the right place."
My heart might be but the more important anatomical parts seem to be going in the wrong places!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 4:27 PM
"I've had Latino Rig Burn (LRB)"
Rig Burn? DIBS, was that when you were showing a young Mexican bf the ropes?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 4:28 PM
chicken, I figured that much but my grad professors seemed to think that it's a fairly prestigious designation in the field of finance and if say you're from a less superior grad school, having a CFA puts you on the same level as other CFA charter holders. I am not sure how it's perceived in the industry since I am not really in the financial industry (I do work in the analyst role but for consumer products). It used to be that in my field/company, you needed a highly ranked school MBA to be considered for a job but these days, it seems that it's all about the experience rather than degrees. My office is small but the only other person who has an MBA in my department is my Boss and I am at the bottom of the food chain.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 4:28 PM
g10, I have pandora on my itouch but thought it couldn't allow me to pick specific songs to play on-deman
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 4:28 PM
ENY, cobble- You both too! Oh G-d- last year I thought flaying would be less painful. It was awful. Awful. And yet MM, who lives downstairs has no problem. (the b*tch!)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 4:28 PM
Oh, actually that would be jib burn.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 4:28 PM
so anyone else realize we are closing in on the gap of the 500 mark currently at 472
I really want to win this time!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:28 PM
Imeem is cool if you wanna hear something specific - as you can search for specific songs and albums.
Pandora is cool if you want to hear stuff of a certain genre, or check out some artists that sound like stuff you like.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 4:28 PM
It's brutal ENY, I've got bites on my fingers, arms, legs, my neck/shoulders! I ITCH all day long. I thought I would lose my mind last night about 4am. I was up with the lights on hunting! THWAP!! I got it! In retrospect, I think last summer was worse, but it's still just July...
And like your wife, of course, BH hasn't got ONE, not even ONE bite!!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 4:29 PM
Well, to belabor the obvious, I find what happened to Gates to be outrageous and deeply disturbing.
Posted by: mopar at July 22, 2009 4:30 PM
I'm the mosquito bait at my house. No one else will get bit so long as I'm around for the chomping.
So tonight we are putting out the trap to catch the momma cat. She's pregnant and I haven't fed her all day so she's just sat on the back steps the entire day looking into the kitchen window and crying wondering why her food supply has been cut off. I really hope and pray she crawls into this damn cage to get the food. Her appointment is bright and early tomorrow morning so god help me if I don't get her tonight. It's funny, I've never been nervous about the others but this momma is a smart and special lady and the fact that she's pregnant makes me sad and completely nervous.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 4:30 PM
i sorta like RIG burn. it gives a whole new meaning hahah
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 4:31 PM
Oh no- I have to drop out of the race- I'm going to see Harry Potter. Someone else will have to carry the torch.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 4:31 PM
"Some finance jobs at the junior to mid level will specify 'MBA or CFA', so it can be a cheap, if much narrower, alternative to an MBA."
That's also what I heard - so I'd much rather study for one hard test then study for several (GMAT + tests in B-School)
Kens - i'd be down to check out the workshop - it would be nice to learn how to fix stuff on my own, as I am not a very handy person. I'd also have to run it by my overlord if I could leave early one day a week.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 4:31 PM
Thanks etson, I figured that much.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 4:32 PM
THL - what are you doing with the preg cat?
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:32 PM
what was that song g10 mentioned yesterday? I you and love?
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 4:32 PM
Enjoy Bxgrl! Harry Potter goes well with Dominican beer fyi
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 4:33 PM
THL- I truly resent that they are smarter than I am. How fair is that? I'm sure she'll be ok- let me know how it goes.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 4:33 PM
493
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:34 PM
I think nowadays a CFA is far more difficult to get than an MBA, meaning that the preparation and the content prepares you much better than an MBA would. I got my MBA in 1980 from Kellogg (Northwestern) and compared to 4 years as an undergrad biology major, it was a cakewalk.
I got my CFA in 1984, I have a four digit CFA number and I'm sure it would take me multiple passses st it nowadays. It is far, far, far more comprehensive and difficult than an MBA in finance.
When I first started in this business in 1980, there was an oldtimer at the place I worked for who had a CFA number somewhere around 150!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 4:34 PM
I'll try to check that out, DH!
Posted by: bxgrl at July 22, 2009 4:34 PM
crashing
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:35 PM
Cobble, they're attracted to light and hate wind. So put a fan on yourself and turn a light on somewhere else in the house. Barring that I'll loan you Cookie. She catches them mid air. You'll have to kill it though, she only stuns, maims and then sounds the alarm for you to come and finish the job.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 4:35 PM
being hairy is great against mosquito bites. not hairy, you in trouble
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 4:35 PM
500! - am I 500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:35 PM
M4L
Avett Brothers
I and Love and You
listen to the whole thing -it starts a bit slow
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:36 PM
"I'm a biological failure :-("
Not to worry bxgrl. You're in good company, I am too. My plumbing's broken — weird birth defect. We can dote on furry creatures and other people's short people!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 4:37 PM
CFA tends to be relevant for a small number of wall street jobs. i know nobody pretty much cares here (prop trading) but if you want to go into asset management (portfolio manager) or equity research then they're quite handy. that said, it's one piece of a much larger set of requirements. if those are areas that you want to get into and went to a top 20 undergrad with a good GPA and have connections, then go for it. otherwise it will be very difficult to break into those areas, as they tend to be high demand jobs. And equity research feeds heavily from graduate training programs (recruiting directly from college undergrad and graduate programs). my advice would be to avoid research. i used to be a research analyst. it sucks now, the good days to be in research have definitely passed.
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 4:37 PM
cool DH. Let me know what he/she says. Applications are available in August and I have to call first week to request one or two. Course starts September 9th or 16th I think. First level is every Wednesday for 10 weeks and second level is also on Wednesday for another 10 weeks. Let me know if you want to join. Its $160 bucks for 10 weeks! That's very cheap in my opinion and they pretty much cover everything, just not in great detail obviously.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 4:37 PM
Will do Bxgrl, and enjoy Potter! My husband is dying to go. I think we have it on the agenda for next week.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 4:37 PM
500?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 4:37 PM
Dibs - I have a lot of friends who were at Kellogg at that time. Let's check at the next gathering.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 4:38 PM
I seriously think I am 500!!!!
now I get all the prizes and such - right
where's Biff - he knows how to do the counter
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:38 PM
Damn! Gem, you beat me! Well, I was #500 the first time we gave out prizes for that :) Ahem....Bxgirl...still waiting on my tiara!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 4:38 PM
THL, we have a ceiling fan on every night [a/c or not] because I heat up in my sleep. I'll try the light thing. And I'll be over to get Cookie in an hour! ; )
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 4:38 PM
"being hairy is great against mosquito bites. not hairy, you in trouble"
I could always let my Armenian heritage shine and stop shaving but ewwwwwww. I think the bites might be a small sacrifice.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 4:39 PM
CG Ups...what was your industry?? Buy side or sell side???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 4:39 PM
Sweet kens - I'll let ya know. 160 sounds like a good price to me as well.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 4:40 PM
"I think nowadays a CFA is far more difficult to get than an MBA"
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 4:34 PM
Dave, many of my professors and recent CFA holders who done both CFA and MBA seem to agree with you on that one.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 4:40 PM
hey DIBS. former sell side, current buy side. you too?
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 4:42 PM
Snappy - thank you for the acknowledgement
hahah
AHEM everyone!!!!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:44 PM
RE. GATES
Gee, the professor's predicament is ricocheting around the world! Even here, on Brownstoner.
Now he's speaking about turning the incident into a "teaching moment" by making it a film.
Here's a suggestion: Drop by Spike Lee in Oak Bluffs this summer (no doubt you reside just a stroll away) and set it up. Spike's even old enough to play you. (And is starting to look like you, too; just give him a cane).
I imagine a version of the street action, Cambridge style, of "Do the Right Thing" (the best Brooklyn movie, ever), featuring doddering Harvard profs and administrators, wise-cracking undergraduates and skater kids, and "ethnic" cops with New-England accents.
With a special appearance by President O., calling for calm, just like Da Mayor.
Since nothing else seems to get us out of our racial quagmire, maybe satire will.
Nostalgic on Park Avenue
Posted by: NOP at July 22, 2009 4:44 PM
Snappy, could you please try to stay current with the memos? It's make your own tiara now. You get some glue, cardboard, glitter, stickers and some rhinestones. Ask Cobble for the kit.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 4:44 PM
I hope Randi comes out of the woodwork and calls me a PLUSA
and I hope the What "Yoo-hoos" me!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:44 PM
CG Ups I NEVER plan to go to any of those jobs. I like exactly where I am and hopefully will retire here if they keep my *ss. I actually have a couple of friends in research and they love it. One does softlines and can't remember what industry the other one researches. They work for one of the big boys that rhymes with Shittygroup :o).
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 4:44 PM
"500! - am I 500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:35 PM"
This one was #500.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 4:46 PM
Mzl tv, gemini!
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 4:47 PM
THL, as well as being allergic to children, I'm also allergic to making my own tiara prizes :) Ha! Besides, Bxgirl promised me one with tanzanite and diamonds...I'm holding out for that one!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 4:47 PM
I want Randi to do an update of the PL of the day race. I am way behind now after pretty much staying out of the Gates discussion.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 4:47 PM
ENY, MM, BG, etc:
I am very familiar with the position of Dr. Gates in the intellectual African American community, and his accomplishments. I own and have read most of his works, which you can verify by looking at my Librarything profile.
In fact, given what MM says about suffering racial indignities, one of the funniest essays he wrote (it may be in 'Colored People', but I don't recall exactly) is a detailed inventory of what he was wearing several of the times he was in airports yet still was mistaken for a bellhop.
In my mind, there are two separate and distinct issues. The first, the person who called the cops. Maybe she's been pissed about that Caucasian wife all these years. But as someone said, I appreciate anyone calling the cops in a similar situation. So, let's for the sake of argument agree she's a nasty racist bitch. Unfortunately there's not much to be done about that.
Now there's the second issue, that of the police response. Here's where I have a problem. There are many times people file false reports. See above where someone admits they've falsely called in a 'man with a gun' report. The officer is supposed to objectively assess what is going on, including using his 'street smarts' (also as pointed out above) to determine who this person is. So, once Skip showed his ID, and his cane, and his general demeanor, the cop should have been outta there. And Skip shoulda thanked him. But if, as it appears, the cop was a dickhead, well, that's a whole other story.
The cop should get ditched, no doubt. The neighbor, well, that's wassup.
Posted by: denton at July 22, 2009 4:47 PM
Ken, ROFL @ Shittygroup!!!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 4:48 PM
oh too funny! i know a ton of the analysts at shittygroup! find out who they work for!!! :) my job could be better but it could be a lot worse. on the upside, i don't see any jobs that i yearn for, so things aren't that bad.
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 4:48 PM
is orange juice concentrate really a tradeable commodity?
(i have NO idea where that came from)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 4:48 PM
Spoken like a true tiara wearer Snappy!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 4:49 PM
"Does anyone else besides DIBS have CFA?
ugh. is that some kind of new STD to worry about!? :(
(chinese fanny abrasions?) sorry that was dumb"
Rob, buy STD. Seriously. 7% yield. I can say it, I don't have a CFA or MBA. :-)
Posted by: denton at July 22, 2009 4:51 PM
"Ken, ROFL @ Shittygroup"
and for the record - the concert at 'taxpayer field' in queens was great last night!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 4:52 PM
"In my mind, there are two separate and distinct issues."
denton, that, plus everything else you wrote, sums up my thoughts perfectly.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 4:52 PM
[Kits, oh geez, kits, holy cow, now I have to come up with kits!!! Where's my glitter pen!]
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 4:52 PM
Are shittygroup related to tittywank?
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 4:53 PM
CG, except for a brief stint in equity sales, I've always been on the buy side.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 4:54 PM
just got back from lunch and the dentist.
gem - here's 2 really cheap places with great food in soho/nolita:
- pinche taqueria on mott st where rice used to be. the best fish tacos in manhattan
- l'asso pizza on kenmare - they have $1 pizza slices(small-ish) at happy hour
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 4:54 PM
YES YES YES!!!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 4:55 PM
"taxpayer field" ROFL!!! Now I'm near tears! You all are gonna get me fired! I can't stop laughing :) HAHAHA
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 4:55 PM
Kens, why the hesitation? Shittibank / Shittigroup deserves those labels
Posted by: more4less at July 22, 2009 4:55 PM
Uh-oh. Hovering helicopter here
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 4:56 PM
Oh Cobble, Just save up your old bread bags (didn't anyone else's mom do this when they were little and poor?) throw in a glue stick, a handful of loose glitter, the free 'Highlights' smiley face stickers, an empty spaghetti box (they can cut the crown out of it themselves) and maybe if you like the person chuck in a rhinestone or two.
After that it's all on them baby.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 4:56 PM
"TITTYWANK" OMG MY SIDES HURT FROM THE LAUGHTER!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 4:57 PM
Waddup What:
You forget something... you forget you predicted the End Of the World last year. You forget that the first Bstonner get-together was based on you! It was either thirty or ninety days after your last end of the world prediction. And we all made it, and we're all still here.
You've been right, but now you risk being one of those guys that is always bearish. That falls under the stopped clock. Don't be another Eliot Prechter.
The markets are talking, and they're not agreeing. S&P500 earnings are 70% over estimate, only 20% under.
Depression ain't happening. Stop into Manhattan and see all the sidewalk cafes full. Parks full.
Posted by: denton at July 22, 2009 4:57 PM
"Are shittygroup related to tittywank?"
Yes, if you like to tweet, you can use twitter in the shitter.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 4:57 PM
Actually I just looked it up, STD only has a 5.7% yield. But the 5 year growth rate of dividends has been 25%.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 4:58 PM
"hey DIBS. former sell side, current buy side. you too?
Posted by: CG_ups at July 22, 2009 4:42 PM"
Me too CG - formerly of the evilest of empires.
Posted by: the chicken at July 22, 2009 4:58 PM
"gem - here's 2 really cheap places with great food in soho/nolita:
- pinche taqueria on mott st where rice used to be. the best fish tacos in manhattan
- l'asso pizza on kenmare - they have $1 pizza slices(small-ish) at happy hour"
I second Pinche - pretty awesome, but there's not alot of room to sit.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 4:58 PM
hahah snappy - hopefully they think you just REALLY like your job ;)
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 4:59 PM
best alternative name for a bank, in my opinion, is "Comedybank"
Posted by: the chicken at July 22, 2009 4:59 PM
THL, that would make one helluva ghetto welcome box!!!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:00 PM
Are shittygroup related to tittywank?
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 4:53 PM
I think they are distant cousins.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 5:00 PM
"is orange juice concentrate really a tradeable commodity?'
Totally, DH. Ever see 'Trading Places' with Eddie Murphy.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 5:00 PM
I hope this Gates stuff doesn't distract us from the idiot undercover cop who shot Shem Walker on the stoop of his house. Everytime I think of that I get so I pissed off.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 5:00 PM
Nite all - go for 600! : )
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 5:01 PM
"you can use twitter in the shitter"
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
CUT IT OUT!!! I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE! (that's what she said!)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:02 PM
"Totally, DH. Ever see 'Trading Places' with Eddie Murphy."
Thats why it popped into my head!! I couldn't remember the name of the movie, I just kept seeing Dan Ackroyd
boy - what a weird day - the OT has been ALL over the place
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 5:02 PM
G10, hold off on celebrating.
600 is around the corner.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 5:03 PM
"boy - what a weird day - the OT has been ALL over the place"
Yes, and it was so focussed and on point every other day.
:-)
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 5:04 PM
Peace out!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 22, 2009 5:04 PM
Snappy if you keep this laughing up, see you on the unemployment PLUSA line. I think we have an express one in that gov't office.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 5:04 PM
Winthropst - thanks for those two suggestions, my friend chose 24prince - said she's been and really likes it!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 5:05 PM
take a b12 vitamin for mosquito bites - i swear by it
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 5:06 PM
"Actually I just looked it up, STD only has a 5.7% yield. But the 5 year growth rate of dividends has been 25%."
Dibs, sorry about that! It has a 9% yield on my cost. Barrons ran a favorable article last week. Check out a 30 day chart.
Posted by: denton at July 22, 2009 5:06 PM
Forgive me for going off-topic but there's the weirdest bug climbing up my window screen.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 5:07 PM
gem i wish i could suggest some good places in soho to eat, and even tho i've been working in soho for over 8 years. :-/
but i can't.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 22, 2009 5:07 PM
gem, also you can check out L'Ecole, the restuarant at the French Culinary Institute on Broadway. Muy bueno.
I am outta here PLs! See ya all tomorrow bright and early.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 22, 2009 5:08 PM
They're dropping like flies (or is that mosquitos?).
Will we hit 600?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 5:09 PM
THL, good luck with momma cat!
Ken, I'm trying my best to keep a straight face over here!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:09 PM
Ken, folks may get here early, but they are never that bright! ba dum bum, ding! Thanks folks, I'll be here all week :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:10 PM
gem, 600 is mine!!! mine I say!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:13 PM
Gem - You could do what Randi did yesterday -
#681
#682
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 5:14 PM
I've wasted too much time here today. I'm going to follow the crowd and skedaddle.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 22, 2009 5:14 PM
Just returned from an afternoon of errands...wow!
"LOL somewhere out in Ditmas Park, Eloise's head EXPLODES!"
Rob, her latest gig is posting in favor of the homeless facility scheduled for Avenue H!
Re: Obama so far - I think lots of Americans are extraordinarily impatient and believe the person who occupies the Presidency is a dictator who can solve all problems by snapping his fingers, pass laws on his own, order governors to pass laws, hire good teachers, make traffic go away, and put nice chirping birds in the trees of Prospect Park. The messiah-like expectations many had of Obama don't exactly help in this case.
That said, it's possible to be educated, informed, non-racist, and opposed to Obama's policies, just as it's possible to be a heterosexual white Christian meat-eating war-fighting male opposed to Bush's policies.
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 22, 2009 5:15 PM
True Arkady
am here until 5:30 - then off to meet my friend in soho so I have 15 mins to kill
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 5:15 PM
We need a controversial topic to discuss
Dare I say 2pac was/is far superior to BIG?
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 5:16 PM
gem - i just looked at 24 prince's menu and it doesn't seem that cheap to me. $20 for fried chicken, polenta and greens? that's average but not cheap...
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 5:17 PM
gemini...we should go get a goodburger together someday. I think the fries suck though!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 5:18 PM
"am here until 5:30 - then off to meet my friend in soho so I have 15 mins to kill"
haha - if someone runs in - starts busting out Lil Wayne lyrics and runs away - thats me.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 5:18 PM
Oh DH...
such baiting that post is
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 5:18 PM
What's the record for a day on OT? And how about on a day where there wasn't a lot of venom & vituperative?
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 5:18 PM
If it weren't for the Beatles there wouldn't be any Tupac or BIG
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 5:19 PM
DH, I dont know about that...maybe a tie in my mind.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:19 PM
Didn't we do over 700 once???? i can't remember what drove that though. Biff will remember. He has a mind full of minutiae.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 5:20 PM
Dibs - never been to goodburger
but POP burger is supposed to be reallly good
I had their fries - amazing!
Winthropst - OUCH - yikes agreed - oh well I will just eat an app and a salad
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 5:20 PM
the pear, date and arugala salad @ 24Prince is 'bangin'
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 5:20 PM
Arkady...there was a day when we just got super silly and went close to I think it was 700...definitely over 600.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:20 PM
Oh Dibs - not the Beatles argument again
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 5:21 PM
Where's POP Burger???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 5:21 PM
DH:
how about the Dowtown Salad - that's what I was gonna get
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 5:21 PM
590
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 5:22 PM
There would be no Beatles without The Beach Boys
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 5:22 PM
I agree sixyears. Also think that most people overestimate the degree of impact politicians, in particular presidents, can have on the economy over short time periods.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 5:22 PM
The Beatles isn't an argument - it's a fact.
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 5:22 PM
gem - get a falafel to eat before you go to dinner so your tummy will have grease to absorb the vino!
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 5:22 PM
I think the aveerage for the OT is about 250ish, right?
the lowest I have seen in recent months was just last week with maybe 80 posts
I think it was a holiday or something...
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 5:22 PM
Uh oh...here we go...count em down folks!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:23 PM
"What's the record for a day on OT?"
Arkady, I think there were one or two 600+ days but I can't remember when. Not sure if we've ever had 700. That may be the equivalent of 80 HR or 200 RBIs in a season, or batting .400
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 22, 2009 5:23 PM
And prime ministers, etson.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 5:23 PM
600?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:23 PM
6yrs, etson, rob, The big O was left w/ a "heckuva legacy".
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 5:23 PM
597...
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 22, 2009 5:24 PM
600!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 5:24 PM
600
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 5:24 PM
I never had the DT salad - but my coworker has and it's good - pretty big portion. Be careful with stuff on the 'snacks' part of the menu - very good but very SMALl portions
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 5:24 PM
dave - popburger is on 59th around the corner from bergdorf goodman men's store. which is pretty cruisy fyi
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 5:24 PM
Oops...looks like my 597 comment might have actually been 600 or just over!
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 22, 2009 5:24 PM
YES!!! IT'S MINE!!! ALL MINE!!! HAHA MO-FO'S!!! WOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:25 PM
Snappy wins!!! Snaaaappppy wins!!!
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 5:25 PM
haha - Wintrhopst is right
WAIT - you gotta try that burger place in the Parker Meridien - I forget what it's call - but man it's good!
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 5:26 PM
winthropst...I knew it was cruisy years ago but surprised it still is.
sixyearsandcounting apparently can't very well!!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 5:26 PM
MO-FO'S?????????????????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 5:27 PM
congrats SNAPPPPY
well done
ok am outta here guys
have a good night :)
Posted by: gemini10 at July 22, 2009 5:27 PM
Yes, gemini, that place in the Parker meridian is GREAT
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 22, 2009 5:27 PM
Arkady - a heckuva legacy indeed - but lots of people expect miracles from Obama. I remember the story of the woman who voted for him because she thought he would pay her gas bill. People might think, well hey, the economy was bad for the last few months of Bush's term, why does it take Obama so long to get out of a recession? Every President inherits something from his (and someday her) predecessor - he's still responsible for how he deals with those problems.
It's going to take a few years for his policies to have any effect, hopefully in time for him to be reelected.
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 22, 2009 5:29 PM
"sixyearsandcounting apparently can't very well!!!!!!"
That's why I teach history and not math!
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 22, 2009 5:30 PM
gem - the "burger joint" - love that place
dave - it's gotten even more cruisy since bloomingdales has lost traffic...
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 5:30 PM
"WAIT - you gotta try that burger place in the Parker Meridien - I forget what it's call - but man it's good!"
Burger Joint
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 5:30 PM
I'll give my acceptance speech tomorrow morning...after I'm given my new tiara :) It's time for this Super PLUSA to head back to Brooklyn. Peace, Love and Chicken Grease :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 22, 2009 5:30 PM
A demain!
Posted by: Arkady at July 22, 2009 5:30 PM
tot ziens!
Posted by: winthropst at July 22, 2009 5:33 PM
How did we get to 600? Was it Dr. Gates?
Posted by: mopar at July 22, 2009 5:33 PM
Recessions have little to do with which party is in office, although some measures can make them more or less severe. Interest rates are set independently.
The government as a whole can of course vary tax rates and spending levels but: 1) the president can't do that alone, 2) the states often offset the good work done at the federal level (what happened with the Bush tax cuts) 3) the effects tend to be played out over more than a four year cycle.
Posted by: etson at July 22, 2009 5:35 PM
"Didn't we do over 700 once????"
Yes, that is true.
"Biff will remember. He has a mind full of minutiae."
Yes, that is true.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 22, 2009 5:35 PM
625
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 22, 2009 5:41 PM
DH, I'm not sure if there's an award for getting to the quarter-century mark; there's probably an entry on the matter in cobblehiller's non-existent, largely unclear, very long PLUSA manual!
Mopar, just saw your post re: Sycamore ivy-covered wall on the Wednesday links thread. Yes, come on down for a visit!
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 22, 2009 5:49 PM
well 625 was the year that the 70th pope took his seat so it's not like DH pulled a random number out of a hat...
Posted by: the chicken at July 22, 2009 5:58 PM
Chicken - excellent use of the wikipedia entry for 625!
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 22, 2009 6:19 PM
Sixyears, I'll let you know when I'll be in your hood. (Not imminently or anything.) Maybe we can meet up.
Posted by: mopar at July 22, 2009 6:36 PM
thanks Sir. Want an apple?
Posted by: the chicken at July 22, 2009 6:43 PM
this has all been severely pathetic. i thank and commend all PLUSAs for their hard work.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 22, 2009 7:00 PM
Let's push this sucker into warp drive.
How many of you folks are actually buying into this idea of national healthcare?
I mean, the plan appears to be this; tell the doctor's they will be getting a 20% paycut and an increased patient load of 47 million. This is going to get is better medical care?
Not.
Posted by: Legion at July 22, 2009 7:39 PM
633! Beautiful! Sorry I wasn't here for the big finish! Congrats Snappy!
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 22, 2009 9:30 PM
The US needs national health care more than anything else. Expecting everyone to self-insure is unworkable and irresponsible.
Posted by: mopar at July 23, 2009 12:05 AM
There's plenty of cash for an american NHS. Just cut the defense budget (the secret one).
Posted by: dittoburg at July 23, 2009 8:18 AM
Damn! Late to the party.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at July 23, 2009 9:07 AM
According to the Heritage Foundation:
The 47 million "uninsured" is patently false as based on the US Census figures;
1. 20 million of the "uninsured" are at twice the guidelines for poverty level (40k a year for a family of 4, twice that is 80,000 per year). In other words they can purchase insurance if they wanted it.
2. 9 million of the "uninsured" are already insured under various medicaid plans.
3. 7 million of the "uninsured" are not legal citizens of this nation and are thus under the medical responsibility of another sovereign nation.
4. 3.5 million of the "uninsured" are children who would qualify for the SHIP program if their parents would take the time to enroll them.
That leaves approximately 7 million actual uninsured. the question then becomes, do we restructure our entire healthcare system, 1/5 our economy on a proposed system that has proven to be unsustainable in Mass. already and leaves our standard of care behind what it is today?
Posted by: Legion at July 23, 2009 9:30 AM
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