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At five minutes and six seconds after 4 AM this morning, the time and date was 04:05:06 07/08/09. This will not happen again for a thousand years. (Unless you don't use a military clock and count this afternoon when it is 04:05:06pm).
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 9:18 AM
how about those on lunar or other calendars?
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 9:20 AM
My block is calendared.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 9:23 AM
thanks for spiting me yesterday dibs.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 9:26 AM
Snappy........Restoration Hardware is having a big sale on Italian bedding. Go to the website and check it out, otherwise just try and bed any old Italian you meet on the street. benson??????????????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 9:27 AM
Top of the mornin' my lovely PLUSAs :)
I know this is a sore subject for many, but I must ask this question....
I heard on the radio this morning that the city of LA is asking for donations to help with the costs of MJ's memorial service as it is estimated that it will cost them approximately 4 mill. They have set up a website where fans can donate via paypal. My question is, is that typical? Have other cities made such a request when security and other related costs have run so high for a memorial or any other type of service? At first I blanched at the thought, but then I thought about the economy we are in right now and wondered if that has something to do with it.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 9:27 AM
randi, it was my pleasure to ruin your day.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 9:28 AM
But Biff, wouldn't it be every hundred years, not thousand?
04:05:06 07/08/21'09'? Am I being dense/missing something?
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 8, 2009 9:28 AM
If you follow the day/month/year convention, you can observe the same sequence next month, on August 7. And even though it appears to be a rare occurrence, such interesting patterns aren't that unusual. Consider these from the past:
01:23:45 6/7/89
12:34.56 7/8/90
01:02:03 04/05/06
In a couple of years we'll have 11:11:11 11/11/11.
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 9:28 AM
Blanching is the preferred method for cooking many vegetables. Always remember to shock them in ice water after blanching so as to retain the bright color.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 9:30 AM
"thanks for spiting me yesterday dibs."
Funny, Randi! That was actually amusing how you were pushing DIBS for 50 posts and DIBS wouldn't give it to you. Not sure if it was intentional or if DIBS just logged off.
Anyway, did anyone see this? It's the boozsicle. Looks yummy.
http://www.urbandaddy.com/home/nyc
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 9:30 AM
Snappy - Those kinds of costs usually come out of city budgets.
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 9:32 AM
Cobble, you could be right, although I've seen it mentioned a few places that it is only every thousand years. Not sure why though and my head is hurting trying to figure it out.
Arkady, that's interesting. You clearly have a fascination with words and numbers. You and wasder would get along well.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 9:33 AM
Biff...that bring to mind another white trash picnic favorite:
Carve a small round hole in the skin of a watermelon and overturn a bottle of vodka in it so that it empties into the watermelon. Proceed to eat watermelon and get wasted.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 9:33 AM
I'm thinking it's the economy in CA Snappy. Otherwise, they might have the resources? That said, this is an unusual circumstance/event. I was pondering last night who else would inspire such a huge memorial? — Thinking musicians/artists only. Not politicians or other public figures.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 8, 2009 9:33 AM
I saw randi's countdown and was leaving the office early. After logging on at home and seeing nothing but dribble, nothing noteworthy to comment on, I was glad to ruin randi's day.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 9:34 AM
Snappy, California the state is at the brink of bankruptcy - not surprising they're asking for donations. For the Lakers championship rally - private parties helped offset that cost too (for same reason)
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 9:34 AM
Dave, I've admitted my bedding problem and have decided to try and curtail such expenditures!
Arkady, that's how I always understood that process to work, but I was shocked at asking the public for donations to pay for it. I guess they really just can't spare the 4 mill for this.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 9:34 AM
"Blanching is the preferred method for cooking many vegetables"
Only if you prefer them white-bread tasteless.
Posted by: cmu at July 8, 2009 9:35 AM
i can think of something else to put in that watermelon hole.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 9:35 AM
I think part of the impact of MJ's demise was his comparative youth & the fact that he hadn't been seen to be ailing & was about to start the big gig in London.
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 9:36 AM
Dave, that's not a trash thing...it's a young and dumb thing! We did that in college except we used hypodermic needles instead of cutting a hole in the watermelon. Also, we injected grapes with Jack Daniels. We told ourselves it was justified as we were getting our daily allowance of fruit :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 9:36 AM
DIBS, are you calling posts from me, THL and bxgrl dribble? By the way, was that a Freudian slip and you meant to say "drivel"?
That reminds me, the Merriam-Webster Word of the Day is lamster. And it's not a hipster who makes lame jokes, otherwise I would change my login to Dirty Lamster.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 9:38 AM
Biff - Here's a new one I just learned:
PRONUNCIATION:
(RAK-muh-niz-uhm)
MEANING:
noun: The exploitation and intimidation of tenants by landlords.
ETYMOLOGY:
After Peter Rachman (1919-1962), a landlord in London who became notorious for unethical practices including driving out tenants to maximize revenue from his rental properties.
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 9:38 AM
randi...you could use a pencil-sized hole for what you are talking about.
So you did go through with the sex change???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 9:38 AM
Wow, so CA is damned near bankrupt, eh? I wonder how many other states are in the same position. Has their pending bankruptcy been a long time coming or is it a circumstance of the current economy? (sorry to introduce a non-cat/sex/food subject here!)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 9:39 AM
Seems ironic we talk about the press giving so much coverage to MJ's death yet we can't seem to stop talking about it.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 9:40 AM
"My question is, is that typical? Have other cities made such a request when security and other related costs have run so high for a memorial or any other type of service?"
If people read my posts about the economy then you would know about California's economic troubles!
California budget nightmare
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and other state officials face tough fiscal choices now that voters have defeated a series of budget proposals.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/20/news/economy/california_budget_crisis/index.htm
The state must make "severe cuts now," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Wednesday. He and state legislative leaders will have to hammer out a budget deal before the fiscal year ends on June 30. The gap covers the rest of this fiscal year and the next.
California government doles out more IOUs
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-07-iou_N.htm
California wrote another 12,500 IOUs on Tuesday rather than pay all of its bills in cash, the latest chapter in the financial mess engulfing the nation's most populous state.
This is called a collapse of the Mutant Asset Bubble!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 9:40 AM
Apparently Snappy doesn't read the news or watch TV. :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 9:40 AM
Snaps - Scwartenegger has been giving out i.o.u.s instead of money to pay state bills.
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 9:42 AM
Yikes! Schwartzenegger.
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 9:42 AM
Snappy, CA is handing out IOUs for tax refunds and unemployment, too, I think. Hmm, I think it's poor management and the economy. A thick soup of bad timing and bad circumstance.
Posted by: cobblehiller at July 8, 2009 9:44 AM
lamster = escaped hamster?
Posted by: etson at July 8, 2009 9:44 AM
The What and i both have posted before about CA's economic woes.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 9:45 AM
Arkady, that's a good one. Seems to be a word for almost everything these days. Did you watch the recent Scripps National Spelling Bee? It's amazing what those young men and women know, although I do wonder if they have any lives outside of studying words.
There was a great documentary called Spellbound (nominated for Academy Award for Best Documenary) that was about various competitors in the 1999 Scripps Spelling Bee.
You might also like the documentary Wordplay that was done in 2006 and features Will Shortz and includes "famous" crossword solvers. It also covers the 2005 American Crossword Puzzle Tournament.
I know both of the above sound extremely lame but they are both worth viewing.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 9:48 AM
The tv news is bullsh!t. Everything they put on is geared towards scaring you. "DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR REFRIGERATOR THAT CAN MAKE YOUR VAGINA FALL OFF? FIND OUT TONIGHT AT 11!"
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 9:49 AM
OMG, Snaps! What did it turn out to be? :)
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 9:50 AM
Sorry Dave, but when you and What start going back and forth with each other, I scroll right on by it. It's impossible to decipher any real info when everything is filled with 'YOU ASSNUT' 'YOU F*CKFACE' 'YOU RETARD' etc. :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 9:51 AM
Thanks, Biff. I read the Shortz book & liked it.
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 9:51 AM
Snappy, you're right. the only portion of the news that viewers want to see & hope is good are (1)weather and (2) sports
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 9:52 AM
LOL Arkady :)
IOUs? I'd love to see their reaction if the citizens gave an IOU instead of paying the taxes due.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 9:53 AM
OMG, I haven't cleaned my fridge in a few months! I just might!
Posted by: Heather at July 8, 2009 9:53 AM
How' bout your Mets, m4l? :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 9:53 AM
"The tv news is bullsh!t."
On the couch ill puffing
To get you buffin', it's you they got cuffin
Your family they did not believe me
Till they heard it for themselves on TV
I called the crib, the clock said seven
More news at 11
- Public Enemy
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 9:54 AM
Heather, ROFL!!!!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 9:56 AM
Ah, a dose of P.E. in the morning. Love it! Thanks Biffy :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 9:57 AM
Spellbound was a terrific film. Hilarious at times.
California is broken.
Posted by: DeLepp at July 8, 2009 9:57 AM
"DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR REFRIGERATOR THAT CAN MAKE YOUR VAGINA FALL OFF?"
Is there something one might find in one's refrigerator that would have an opposite effect and work on men. A friend wants to know.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 9:57 AM
Seriously, California had the highest GDP in the nation, it's bankrupt with a $23 billion deficit, issuing iou's for everything, and you're all, oh well it's poor mangagement???? Seriously??? The hubris on this board is truly stunning sometimes.
"As California goes so goes the nation."
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 9:57 AM
DIBS, hearing more bad news for my Mets - Phillies top contender in the Roy Halladay trade sweepstakes
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 9:58 AM
Biff, you crack me up!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 9:58 AM
"Sorry Dave, but when you and What start going back and forth with each other, I scroll right on by it. "
You're right and I'm putting back on my Economic Hat! All things Mutant Asset Bubble!
Nice story about Harlem on the first post!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end....
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 9:59 AM
"The hubris on this board is truly stunning sometimes."
QOTD..
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 10:02 AM
Snappy, then here's some more from you from PE about the media:
Here's a letter to the new york post
The worst piece of paper on the east coast
Matter of fact the whole state's forty cents
In new york city fifty cents elsewhere
It makes no goddamn sense at all
America's oldest continuously published daily piece of bullshit
Flavor flav is the one that makes the post money
Writers making violence in headlines funny
Tryin' to undress my past until it's naked
Post got flavor from sellin' no records
Europe asia to the street of new york
Flavor flav known for his finesse talk
Do it to ya for the post to employ me
New york post can't destroy me
Rapper of public enemy, rapstar beats lover
With the headline of a fucked up cover
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 10:03 AM
why dont California sell San Diego back to Mexico for hefty sum so they can solve the budget deficit that forecasted for a while?
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 10:03 AM
"Biff, you crack me up!"
Snappy, was there a hidden pun in there? (Sorry, couldn't resist)
"Spellbound was a terrific film. Hilarious at times."
DeLepp, Wordplay has some really funny moments too. Try to see it if you can.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 10:05 AM
Biff, you are a total horndog! LOL
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 10:07 AM
why dont California sell San Diego back to Mexico for hefty sum so they can solve the budget deficit that forecasted for a while?
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 10:03 AM
I'm not getting all cut and paste with this today, but will observe if you're unable to grasp why this economic meltdown is THE issue of your lifetime, why this concerns you personally..Then you've never learned ONE GODDAMN THING WORTH KNOWNING.
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 10:08 AM
Bridges - Ever hear of gallows humor?
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 10:12 AM
Bridges - Ever hear of gallows humor?
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 10:12 AM
Arkady, forgive me, I must have CONTACT CLUELESSNESS
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 10:15 AM
Lighten up, bridges.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 10:16 AM
Isn't "hubris" a reference to Hugh Jackman's ceremonial circumcision?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 10:18 AM
bridges, where's tunnels today?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 10:19 AM
Isn't "hubris" a reference to Hugh Jackman's ceremonial circumcision?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 10:18 AM
That's Hugh Grant.
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 10:21 AM
Bridges, you thought I was serious with that selling san diego post? Come on!!! Besides, even if this country allows CA to sell san diego, what the heck will Mexico pay us with? Not like Mexico is sitting on a pile of gold
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 10:22 AM
"THE issue of your lifetime, why this concerns you personally..Then you've never learned ONE GODDAMN THING WORTH KNOWNING."
Bridges take it from the King of Bombing- Some people (Retards) do not fully grasp the Mutant Asset Bubble. They are doing fine now and not suffering any financial pain. This Fall will change this perception just watch and see...
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 10:23 AM
bridges, Hugh Grant is Jewish?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 10:24 AM
Biff - Did the mohel give it to you for your fridge?
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 10:24 AM
I was surprised by how well done the MJ memorial was. It was somber and appropriate and yet it celebrated the life of a great entertainer. The family looked solid and dignified. Of course that was probably due to the fact that the matriarch made most of the decisions. I think it would have been a very different show had MJ himself directed it.
The children are sweet and beautiful, I think they will be well provided for through the will. Evidently the estate has earned tens of millions in the past few days on royalties on all things Michael.
Posted by: sam at July 8, 2009 10:25 AM
Bridges, you thought I was serious with that selling san diego post? Come on!!! Besides, even if this country allows CA to sell san diego, what the heck will Mexico pay us with? Not like Mexico is sitting on a pile of gold
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 10:22 AM
Yes, yes I thought you were serious. Snappy's comment at 9:39 just...did me in, lol.
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 10:25 AM
Bridges take it from the King of Bombing- Some people (Retards) do not fully grasp the Mutant Asset Bubble. They are doing fine now and not suffering any financial pain. This Fall will change this perception just watch and see...
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 10:23 AM
Yes everyone. Defer to the What as opposed to the IMF, which just raised its global GDP number for 2010, when looking for economic insight.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 10:27 AM
"Biff - Did the mohel give it to you for your fridge?"
Arkady, well done. Did you hear about the mohel who doubled as a press agent and saved his own clippings?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 10:28 AM
I've seen more "turtlenecks" than any mohel.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 10:30 AM
Bridges, my asking a question did you in? You need a vacation my brother!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 10:30 AM
Biff - Oy!
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 10:30 AM
Biff, you are a riot!!!
Seriously...did you all hear about the guy who got drunk on tequila and tried to circumsize himself with a pair of nail clippers???!!! I think it happened in Belgium. Even I crossed my legs and cringed upon hearing that. OUCH!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 10:31 AM
Bridges, snappy has correct mindset for this mess we're in. she has a job, place to live, friends to be with,... and realize if this econ tanks on us there's nothing we can do to avoid it so why worry about stuff you can't change. It's not like there's a genius out there than can explain to us how to avoid or profit from this impending doom. For example, if all a doctor is going to do is to tell a patient that he has terminal cancer but has no remedy of any sort what good is that doc in that situation
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 10:32 AM
Morning everyone.
Re: California
There is no doubt that the economy has taken its toll. But California has been governed and hamstrung by referendum for 30 years. Structurally, so much of the way California taxes and spends is governed by binding referenda that the state's leaders have much less flexibility to respond to crises than other jurisdictions. NYC tax revenues are down quite a bit from projections, but NYC has been governed mroe nimbly than is possible in California, so we are not experiencing the kind of crisis that they are. There are many factors at work in California, but you can't avoid the huge role of referenda in hamstringing the governor and legislature.
Meanwhile, on the MJ front, I've found the first record I ever bought with allowance money, Jackson 5 Greatest Hits. Still has the original sleeve with all the ads for posters, stickers and the like. Did you know that, back in 1971, for $2 and a clipped coupon from the sleeve, you could have been Tito's personal soul mate? The songs still sound great (yes, I still have a turntable). I do feel sad for Michael and his family (especially the kids).
Posted by: slopefarm at July 8, 2009 10:32 AM
do you think i can pay my mortgage with an IOU?
Posted by: bodhi_brooklyn at July 8, 2009 10:32 AM
dibs, not looking for a dustup with you today, but...the U.S. is the largest contributor to IMF funding, no? How can we afford this??
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 10:33 AM
Bridges, my asking a question did you in? You need a vacation my brother!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 10:30 AM
Snappy, your mouth, God's ear. Please!!
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 10:35 AM
Slopefarm - I have a turntable too. Played some early Beatles & B'way show tunes for some kids across the street. They thought it was magic!
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 10:35 AM
Slopefarm, awesome find!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 10:36 AM
Bridges, I'll pray hard for a vacation for you...on the condition that I get a vacation too!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 10:37 AM
bridges, what are you talking about??? What has our contributions to the IMF got anything to do with their forecasts??
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 10:38 AM
M4L at 10:32, you hit the nail on the head.
Most, if not all of us or not acknowledging the enormous mess we're in, but what else are we to do other than do our best to stay employed or find a job, protect our loved ones, put food on the table and a roof over our heads? Can't we still try to enjoy and appreciate the positive things in our lives?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 10:39 AM
First Snappy brings up MJ again and now Arkady mentions the Beatles. What are you two trolls trying to do?? :-)
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 10:40 AM
Amen to what Biff and M4L said.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 10:41 AM
Biff - Cats & kittens.
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 10:45 AM
"Most, if not all of us or not acknowledging the enormous mess we're in, but what else are we to do other than do our best to stay employed or find a job, protect our loved ones, put food on the table and a roof over our heads? Can't we still try to enjoy and appreciate the positive things in our lives?"
That type of thinking got us into this mess! Biff when people was screaming years ago that the Mutant Asset Bubble was unstainable people Greed was used to ignore that fact. I'm sorry but I don't buy it! We are in a Depression and the earliest estimates is 2023, yep you read that right 2023!
The ignorance of Humans just astounds me! The state of California is paying people with IOU's????!! How many states are watching and hoping it goes thru, maybe your employers will pay you in IOU's...
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 10:46 AM
She mentioned the Beatles (uh-oh. You know what THL is going to say).
And I am going to agree with biff ( don't get used to it, biff!)and M4L said. All I can do is hold on and try to muddle through. Like we have a choice? But unlike some of those who are just thrilled at the thought of all of us going down, I think most of us will be trying to help one another up.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 10:47 AM
Can't we still try to enjoy and appreciate the positive things in our lives?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 10:39 AM
I don't think it's an either/or proposition though. Put it another way, isn't this lifestyl that you enjoy and appreciate worth preserving by questioning our economic policies? Or at least emailing your representative and encouraging them to fight on behalf of individuals and not just banks?
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 10:48 AM
How can you circumcize yourself with nail clippers? Now that's ridiculous. A pizza slicer maybe, but nail clippers?
WHat kind of giant nail clippers do they have in Belgium?
Posted by: sam at July 8, 2009 10:49 AM
"We are in a Depression and the earliest estimates is 2023, yep you read that right 2023!"
OK, WHAT......Where the hell did you pull that number from and what is it the earliest estimate of?????
You have lost ALL credibility my friend.
ROTFLMMFAO
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 10:49 AM
Did I miss some posts where a genius came up with some solutions to avoid this impending doom?
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 10:52 AM
Hey What....
IMF Sees Stronger Global Rebound From ’09 Recession
July 8 (Bloomberg) -- The International Monetary Fund said the global economic rebound next year will be stronger than it forecast in April as the financial system stabilizes and the pace of contractions from the U.S. to Japan moderates.
The Washington-based lender said in a revised forecast
released today that the world economy will expand 2.5 percent in 2010, compared with its April projection of 1.9 percent growth. A contraction this year will be 1.4 percent, worse than an April forecast for a 1.3 percent drop, the IMF said.
That would mean the recession ends in the fourth quarter. There is no depression, DUMBASS.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 10:53 AM
Big Cats and kitties- see Montrose's latest post, snappy and Arkady. (THL???) The photos are grrrrrreat! (apologies- couldn't help it)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 10:54 AM
At the height of the Japanese bubble the Emperor's Palace was the most expensive place on earth. Japan's economy crashed and the land valuations never came back to equilibrium. If you brought property in Japan in 1990 today you are STILL under water. This a known fact! 19 years of negative prices have totally destroyed Japan and I'm afraid the same thing will happen here but it will be more violent and painful.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 10:59 AM
bxgirl, don't bother, another in an endless series of squabbles between the What and the other plusas. It's hopeless.
Posted by: sam at July 8, 2009 11:00 AM
Dave how about this- Why don't we give ourselves a break today? I think fight back and forth is very tiresome. At this point we are staring over the chasm and very soon we will see a violent collapse in the Mutant Asset Bubble.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 11:02 AM
This is not japan and the response has been completely different. Your cut and paste economics reveals you as the not-so-know-it-all that you are.
Give up.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:02 AM
How about instead you address some of the facts that I've shown you??? The IMF data.
There won't be any collapse because the data is now pointing to a recovery.
How about once in awhile you not act like such a jerk and respond to the discussion at hand instead of introducing additional non supported crap.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:04 AM
sam- so right. You just have to wonder how someone takes so much pleasure from other people's pain (or the anticipation of it). Makes him barely- if at all- human.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 11:06 AM
bridges, what are you talking about??? What has our contributions to the IMF got anything to do with their forecasts??
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 10:38 AM
Well, it's just striking to me that the people running the IMF have investment bank backgrounds, such as this gentleman:
"John Lipsky assumed the position of First Deputy Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund on September 1, 2006.
Before coming to the Fund, Mr. Lipsky was Vice Chairman of the JPMorgan Investment Bank. In this position, he advised the firm's principal market risk takers, published independent research on the principal forces shaping global financial markets, was actively engaged with JPMorgan's key clients, and represented the firm around the world with senior public and financial sector decision makers.
Previously, Mr. Lipsky served as JPMorgan's Chief Economist, and as Chase Manhattan Bank's Chief Economist and Director of Research. He served as Chief Economist of Salomon Brothers, Inc. from 1992 until 1997. From 1989 to 1992, Mr. Lipsky was based in London, where he directed Salomon Brothers' European Economic and Market Analysis Group."
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 11:07 AM
**hitting myself with a bat** I now regret bringing up the CA issue and asking the question. ARGH!
Kittens anyone? :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:08 AM
"How about instead you address some of the facts that I've shown you??? The IMF data.
"
A little nibble Dave. in Oct '89 the unemployment rate was 4.7% and now it's 9.4%. That's about 50% increase (Give or take), right. For the recession to be over the Obama Administration will have to come up with about 5 million jobs. Now Dave please explain to us how we are going to replace the lost jobs and get America back on the road to recovery after the biggest credit expansion in history (NASDAQ and Real Estate)?
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 11:11 AM
Well who is going to run the IMF if not bankers? Baristas, ad agency execs, nurses??????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:11 AM
That guy's credentials seem pretty damn good. Not every banker is part of the problem just like not every school teacher is part of that problem. Foolish.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:12 AM
"Well who is going to run the IMF if not bankers?"
I hear the workers at the Stella Doro plant in the Bronx are available :) (sorry, couldn't resist)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:13 AM
Think ahead, What. If the economy expands over 2% next year there will again be massive job creation. You're problem is that you are stuck in all the backward looking data. These numbers have already started to change direction or at least slow down their decline. Even you can understand the ramifications of that.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:14 AM
But dibs we are in this mess because of the fed and banks monkeying around, there's no good reason to believe the people who got us into this mess possess the wisdom to get us out again.
Well who is going to run the IMF if not bankers? Baristas, ad agency execs, nurses??????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:11 AM
LOL. You're funny to day dibs, good one
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 11:15 AM
Yes, snappy- and for really good decision making we should have the union advising them on how to deal with the realities of the economy today. :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 11:16 AM
Oct '89 I meant Oct 08.
"I now regret bringing up the CA issue and asking the question. ARGH!"
No, i was good and now witness the fool on the Blog..
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 11:17 AM
LOL Bxgirl! I told my mom about that and she was very close to cursing (super religious non-swearing woman that she is!) Is there a news link you know of to that story?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:19 AM
stella doro are SUCH grandma cookies it's not even funny.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 8, 2009 11:19 AM
I welcome what's suggeston that what and DIBS take a bit of a break from their daily point/counterpoint. We all know where you both stand. There is new data to interpret every day, but that doesn't mean the argument is going anywhere. It's like repeatedly arguing over whether global warming is a manmade phenomenon based on each day's temperature in Prospect Park. How about a monthly economic smackdown thread featuring what and DIBS? Then you can each marshall a month's worth of trends and data and make your best case. And for the rest of the month, just hang out and keep it mellow.
Posted by: slopefarm at July 8, 2009 11:19 AM
If only your sentences made grammatical sense then we might understand what you are trying to say.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:21 AM
Dibs - Take What up on his 11:02.
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 11:21 AM
What, re: your 10:46 post et. al. I still am not clear on exactly what you think we should be doing. I'm acknowledging we are in an enormous bind. You've already gotten that from me. So what do you advise I, and others, do about it?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 11:23 AM
Morning Asshats,
I just went back to the grocery store to buy the things I tried to pick up on Monday without any money or CC in my pocket.
I also deliberately went to a different cashier.
Mmmmmmm, Stella Doro Breakfast Treats dipped in coffee (and yes Rob, I learned it from my nana).
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 11:23 AM
"in Oct '89 the unemployment rate was 4.7% and now it's 9.4%. That's about 50% increase (Give or take), right."
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 11:11 AM"
I make that bang on 100% increase What. Calculator needs new batteries...
Posted by: the chicken at July 8, 2009 11:23 AM
What fun would that be, slopefarm? then all we'd have here would be talk about cats, dildos & truffles and someone else would start complaining.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:24 AM
"If the economy expands over 2% next year there will again be massive job creation. "
If: a: in the event that b: allowing that c: on the assumption that d: on condition that
"You're problem is that you are stuck in all the backward looking data."
Fact:a thing done: as aobsolete : feat b: crime carchaic : action something that has actual existence b: an actual occurrence
"These numbers have already started to change direction or at least slow down their decline."
Lie:1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2 : to create a false or misleading impression
Dave where is the Job creation coming from and please lets not use the word "if", thank you..
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 11:24 AM
see, snappy, what happens when you don't kiss a certain foaming at the mouth rabid dog's butt?
He's so desperate for attention and accolades- awwww go on! toss him a bone. tell him he's the most forward-looking, brilliant, knowledgeable and intelligent poster here. Don't forget how the resident prophet of doom singlehandedly predicted the MREB -you may have to repeat that ad nauseum. He certainly does.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 11:25 AM
Ok everyone, some good news (for most of you, anyway):
benson emailed me to say all is well. He's been busy this summer with classes and business travel. He's been to Hamburg, Germany and Milan, Italy and is scheduled to go to Israel and Japan.
He is interested still in joining us at future 'Stoner get-togethers, and I informed him of the one Kens was putting together next week.
He asked me to give his regards to all in "Brownstoner country".
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 11:26 AM
"If the economy expands over 2% next year there will again be massive job creation. "
If: a: in the event that b: allowing that c: on the assumption that d: on condition that
"You're problem is that you are stuck in all the backward looking data."
Fact:a thing done: as aobsolete : feat b: crime carchaic : action something that has actual existence b: an actual occurrence
"These numbers have already started to change direction or at least slow down their decline."
Lie:1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2 : to create a false or misleading impression
Dave where is the Job creation coming from and please lets not use the word "if", thank you..
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 11:24 AM
DONE DISCUSSING WITH YOU AFTER THIS SORT OF BULLSHIT. YOU ARGUE LIKE A NINE YEAR OLD CHILD WHO HAS JUST LEARNED HOW TO GOOGLE.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:27 AM
"I make that bang on 100% increase What. Calculator needs new batteries..."
Right Chicken I need some coffee... Hell that's down right scary. Imagine what the fall numbers are going to be...
The What (1..2..3..3..3..3 eh 4.. 5..)
Somedathis war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 11:28 AM
Answer the questions Dave. That's all you have to do and please be civil. We are have a nice discussion and please don't use foul language.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 11:31 AM
I second Slopefarm's motion!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:31 AM
So we had a mini "house cleaning" at the Santa's workshop today. I am still here so Kudos for meeeeee! The analyst elf department didn't experience decrease in headcount, yet.
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 8, 2009 11:33 AM
"I second Slopefarm's motion!"
I don't do Slopey seconds.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 11:34 AM
THL, so you succeeded in getting some viddles! Congrats! I would have went to a different cashier too...that had to be super embarassing.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:34 AM
Watch for VIT to rally on the close so they can price the placement tomorrow. Then short the hell out of it!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:35 AM
dipster, the gossip girl shoot on prince & greene has been postphoned until tomorrow!
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 8, 2009 11:37 AM
I know it's stupid but I really did feel so embarrassed on Monday.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 11:39 AM
oh crap rob - i forgot it was today!
good thing it was - i'm playing hookie today.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 11:39 AM
slopey seconds...ha!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:40 AM
"prince & greene"
prince and greene - it will be absolutely mobbed as i'm sure they are shooting infront of the apple store.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 11:40 AM
THL, did you hear that Danielle got an injunction against her old bf so he can't release her sex tapes?
Did anyone see NYC Prep? I see lots of "reality" TV, but this one is unwatchable. There's also a new one starting on Bravo next week about young professionals in Miami.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 11:43 AM
Brace yourselves for cuteness.
It's a puppy (if you're offended by profanity do not click through there are curse words so cover your kids eyes)!!
Also, check out the smug look on the Iguana below it. Priceless.
http://www.fupenguin.com/
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 11:45 AM
Slopefarm I'm glad so glad the Mute button was pushed! Lookie here "I welcome what's suggeston that what and DIBS take a bit of a break from their daily point/counterpoint. We all know where you both stand." I see it baby and thank you!
The one thing everyone here misses/glosses over is the blatant HYPOCRISY that goes on around here! Today I asked some great question and Dave failed miserably! Whuh is so spot-on you are Intellectual Cowards! Why does Dave get a pass here and get away with nonsense HUH?
"Oct '08 the unemployment rate was 4.7% and now it's 9.4%. That's about 50% increase (Give or take), right. For the recession to be over the Obama Administration will have to come up with about 5 million jobs. Now Dave please explain to us how we are going to replace the lost jobs and get America back on the road to recovery after the biggest credit expansion in history (NASDAQ and Real Estate)?
Why this question was not answered???!!!! Everyone always take me to task but Dave get a pass all the time! Just incredible!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 11:45 AM
THL, you should've gone to that same cashier, look into your purse & pocket pretending you forgot again, see if she remembers you then say "just kidding". ice broken and no longer need to avoid her
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 11:45 AM
"There's also a new one starting on Bravo next week about young professionals in Miami."
Professional whats??? Waiters??? Busboys??? Prostitutes???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:45 AM
I can't stand NYC Prep. Those boys who are trying to come off as pimps are ridiculous.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:45 AM
Blocked here, THL. :(
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:46 AM
Summer tv really stinks :(
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:46 AM
Oh, I want a heart-stamped kitty! That dog is adorable.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:48 AM
Yeah, good for Daniele. He actually said some pretty nasty and spiteful things about her in the media. Class Act that guy. I'm aware that Danielle is trashy too or was trashy whatever, she's got kids. At least respect that. Ass.
I refuse to watch NYC Prep. I love trash TV but that crosses a line for me.
They are minors and it disturbs me to think of the parents that would allow their children to sign on for something like this.
I would HATE for this to become popular resulting in more children doing regrettable things in front of cameras.
Much as they want to be adults they haven't a clue. Shame on the parents shame shame shame!!
Miami Social. One of the guys on it used to be on Big Brother. Hardy. He was so sweet and hometown on BB and on this he's acting like the sleezy club promoter guy. Weird.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 11:49 AM
M4L, that's a great idea! The cashier probably would have laughed it all off at that point. I can understand the embarassment THL, I would have felt mortified as well.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:49 AM
I ANSWERED IT DUMBASS. YOU JUST COULDN'T FIGURE OUT THAT A RISING GDP NUMBER WILL RAISE EMPLOYMENT.
You came back to me with this BULLSHIT......
"If the economy expands over 2% next year there will again be massive job creation. "
If: a: in the event that b: allowing that c: on the assumption that d: on condition that
"You're problem is that you are stuck in all the backward looking data."
Fact:a thing done: as aobsolete : feat b: crime carchaic : action something that has actual existence b: an actual occurrence
"These numbers have already started to change direction or at least slow down their decline."
Lie:1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2 : to create a false or misleading impression
YOU SOUND LIKE A RAVING LUNATIC.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:50 AM
my cat Moose has a big heart shape on his side. He's also, however, a kitler. Got the parted hair look on top- once he had a spot of dirt under his nose and I kid you not, he gave me the creeps. :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 11:51 AM
snappy but big brother starts tomorrow!!! and it's on three times a week! and if you have showtime, it's live from midnight to 3am 7 nights a week!!! (unfortunately i dont gots showtime . :(!_
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 8, 2009 11:52 AM
Is the boyfriend that tried to sell the Danielle sex tape the same Steve that was her younger boyfriend on the show?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:52 AM
Bxgirl, that's hysterical! Did you immediately run to wash off the dirt spot? My cat really hates the kittywipes, but I insist.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:54 AM
Our admin was down in Maimi last weekend and said every guy from the Jersey shore was there for the long weekend. She said it was an awful scene.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 11:55 AM
I don't like Big Brother :(
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:56 AM
Bxgrl- There is a website dedicated to cats that called catsthatlooklikehitler.com
They call them Kitlers.
I only found out about it b/c a girlfriend at m,y old job had a cat that looked almost exactly like that. Bizarrely so.
That was a great idea M4L.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 11:58 AM
One of the networks (I forget which one) is coming out soon with a House Husbands show. That could be interesting to check out.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 11:59 AM
Sorry Bx you already said kitler.
Rob and I like BB. not sure if there are any others.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 12:00 PM
What,
I can't tell if I'm on your mute or not, or what that really means anymore. I think the answer to your question is that if the economy rebounds, it will be because businesses saw opportunities and started investing and hiring, and that if they don't, the economy won't rebound. Economy generated way more than the number of jobs you seek in the 90s. No reason it can't happen. Question is whether it will. I'm not sure, beyond that, what your question is. I am also not sure why it is hypocritical of DIBS not to respond to your question after you asked for a hiatus (which I agreed with).
Posted by: slopefarm at July 8, 2009 12:00 PM
that's him Snaps.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 12:00 PM
LOL.... www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com was hilarious!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 12:01 PM
Ugh, that sleeze bucket. He shouldn't be so quick to expose a film that also includes his naked behind. Yech!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 12:03 PM
I feel weird asking this - but has anyone been watching 'True Blood' or 'Weeds' ???
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 12:07 PM
I think Aldo wins:
http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/cgi-bin/seigboard.pl?3507
Snappy- From what I hear it's more of Danielle preforming an act on him that he on her. You know, the one Teresa said was a daily event.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 12:07 PM
Oh....ew! So we'd have to see his mr. winky? Even worse!
Oh, and I'd have to agree with the one poster on that site that said Aldo also looks a bit like Freddy Mercury!!!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 12:10 PM
THL, I agree with you re: Danielle. Whatever one thinks of her, there is no reason to put her kids through the release of a sex tape. The judge did the right thing.
I THOUGHT I recognized one of the guys in Miami Social. It is Hardy, indeed! Seems to be a bunch of people that do the reality TV circuit.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 12:10 PM
"I don't like Big Brother :( "
Snappy, do you prefer Big Sister? :-)
What, you didn't answer my question at 11:23am.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 12:12 PM
Big Sister....ha! Now there's a show I could join!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 12:13 PM
snappy- I did! I ran for the washcloth- he hated me for a week :-)
I have to go visit the kitler website. Haven't looked at it in awhile- THL your lovely blue eyed guy has the hairdo also, no?
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 12:14 PM
The one reality show circuit frequenter that needs to fall in a hole never again to resurface is Omarosa. CANT STAND HER!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 12:14 PM
Bxgirl, the thing to do is wipe them down, then immediately provide tuna as an apology. Tuna apologies are always accepted :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 12:16 PM
"What, re: your 10:46 post et. al. I still am not clear on exactly what you think we should be doing. I'm acknowledging we are in an enormous bind. You've already gotten that from me. So what do you advise I, and others, do about it?"
It's too Damn late Biff! Just go back watching RHONJ..
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 12:17 PM
I feel weird asking this - but has anyone been watching 'True Blood' or 'Weeds' ???
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 12:07 PM
I love True Blood, it's fun. Why do you feel weird asking?
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 12:17 PM
"It's too Damn late Biff! Just go back watching RHONJ.."
What, I would, but the season is over! :-)
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 12:19 PM
Another ROTD with nobody in the picture in front of the restaurant. WTF?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 12:22 PM
DH- Love weeds. Been watching from the get go.
Anyoen watching Nurse Jackie? Edie Falco is fantastic!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 12:23 PM
I saw the very first Nurse Jackie because they premiered it on a non-pay channel. I liked it. But not enough to order and pay for Showtime :( Showtime and HBO are rip offs. They show the same 6-10 movies over and over again. Cinemax is nothing more than soft porn. Can Nurse Jackie episodes be found on the web?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 12:26 PM
I love weed too. Wait, what are we talking about?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 12:28 PM
Okay What, I'll bite.
"YOU JUST COULDN'T FIGURE OUT THAT A RISING GDP NUMBER WILL RAISE EMPLOYMENT."
I disagree. GDP is a number for the overall economy. Assuming flat productivity per employee, the rising US population (and growth accelerated late-80s/early-90s so a rising rate of people entering the potential employee groups now) could raise GDP at the same time as unemployment rises.
Posted by: the chicken at July 8, 2009 12:28 PM
"What, I would, but the season is over! :-)"
I'm serous Biff! I posted a legitimate question very different from my usual flame throwing and Day Trader in Bed Stuy could not answer it!!! The Hypocrisy on Brownstoner is just amazing, it really is!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 12:31 PM
"I love True Blood, it's fun. Why do you feel weird asking?"
It seems only girls like it. But it is a fun show. Good mix of sex, violence and drama.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 12:31 PM
What's reality TV?
Posted by: Expert Textpert at July 8, 2009 12:31 PM
haha me too THL
No - haven't been watching Nurse Jackie - perhaps I should catch up on-demand.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 12:32 PM
I don't have any t.v. since the digital switchover...
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 12:32 PM
I agree but my husband will actually watch those movies crap or not several times (it keeps him occupied and quiet).
I don't THINK so Snappy, but they always have them on DVD after the season is over. That's worth renting.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 12:33 PM
"Cinemax is nothing more than soft porn"
I don't get soft porn. People who like porn don't like it. And people who don't like porn obviously don't. Whats the point?
Posted by: dittoburg at July 8, 2009 12:34 PM
"I don't get soft porn. People who like porn don't like it. And people who don't like porn obviously don't. Whats the point?"
Agree 100%. It's like de-alcoholized beer: the taste of bad beer without the buzz. Or decaf coffee.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 12:37 PM
ditto,
It's for the people who are too chaste or prious to succumb to real porn but who still enjoy getting their rocks off (so long as no one ever finds out about it!).
Wusses.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 12:37 PM
skinemax is good if you wanna see a random fake boob and really sloppy kissing.
the best part is the music.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 12:39 PM
"prious"
Isn't that an environmentally friendly car? Or something like that...
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 12:39 PM
THL - that sounds like wearing raingear and welly boots on a log flume ride.
Posted by: dittoburg at July 8, 2009 12:40 PM
LOL you guys! Anyone up for making a t-shirt that says 'Softporn is for Wusses' ??? Ha!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 12:40 PM
When is Entourage starting its new season? Those guys make me laugh out loud. They are so lucky and so stupid you gotta love 'em.
Posted by: sam at July 8, 2009 12:41 PM
For no particular reason, skinemax reminds me of a product called Shine On that I used to use to polish my cymbals (rewrites?). The fumes from it were so potent that I didn't even need to injest any other substances before a gig.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 12:43 PM
What, we already HAD the big meltdown of the Mutant Asset Bubble. It was in early October. Now we're just dealing with the fallout. The unemployment numbers are bad, yes. But things are improving. If we have no more shocks, we will move back to recovery. If the US can't borrow, there will be another shock, another plunge. Then things will improve again. THis is what is called a "W-shaped" recovery.
Posted by: mopar at July 8, 2009 12:43 PM
Sam - entourage starts this Sunday I think. love that show.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 12:44 PM
I'm pious a kite right now. Too much Shine On.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 12:44 PM
July 12th
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 12:44 PM
"Softporn is not for pussies"?
QOTD!
Chicken, are you going to Kens' shindig next week?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 12:45 PM
I answered it, TWICE. chicken is debating it but he has a point. My point is that after we have seen the rising GDP numbers, there will have already been people re-employed. The GDP number will be the result, not the cause of lower umemployment.
You can't ever figure out what you're even asking
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 12:45 PM
"Softporn is not for pussies"?
You don't get to see any of them in soft core so I say no.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 12:46 PM
Chicken, that is just plain gold! I'm gonna have to make a shirt that says that!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 12:48 PM
entourage has excellent writing. you can never guess what shit will hit what fan next.
I can't get into true blood, too freaky or something, or maybe it's true that only girls like it.
Posted by: sam at July 8, 2009 12:48 PM
...If we have no more shocks, we will move back to recovery....
Posted by: mopar at July 8, 2009 12:43 PM
Mopar, recasts of Alt-A and Pay Option ARMS made to higher quality borrowers will come down the pike later this year. I suspect that what the tick tick tick is referring to...
Posted by: bridges at July 8, 2009 12:50 PM
It's called a cycle What. We've begun to move out from the bottom of it in fits and starts.
If you wait 19 years for it you'll be 70 and in a rest home. We will have had three, maybe four cycles between now and then.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 12:50 PM
[chicken takes a bow]
Sorry, not going to be able to make it next week - flying back to London on Monday.
Posted by: the chicken at July 8, 2009 12:53 PM
"I can't get into true blood, too freaky or something, or maybe it's true that only girls like it."
Yeah - I dunno. I seriously think I'm the only guy who likes this show. Anna Paquin isn't exactly doing anything for me, and the whole show is chock full of attractive males.
As far as girly vampire dramas go - it's way better then 'Twilight'. wow - that was a shithole movie.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 12:54 PM
Then Dave where are we going to "higher" GDP numbers from? Consumer Spending is 70% of our economy and with high unemployment where is the money coming from?
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 12:55 PM
"What, we already HAD the big meltdown of the Mutant Asset Bubble."
Nope the real shockwave will hit around Nov '09!
"The unemployment numbers are bad, yes. But things are improving."
When????
"If the US can't borrow, there will be another shock, another plunge. "
Interest Rates are going be very high. Say Buh Bye to Real Estate...
The next bubble is War...
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 12:58 PM
There are economies in Asia doing quite well. They continue to import from the US, EU & Japan. Inventories around the globe are at historic and ridiculously low levels. Manufacturing will have to rise to fill orders once inventories are depleted and hiring will begin.
Beliewve it or not, there have been over 200 hedge fund startups in the US since March. They have all hired people.
Once the loss of jobs has declined dramatically, the consumer will start to spend. Hiring will follow.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:01 PM
Now you tell us what the cause of the big November shockwave is going to be????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:03 PM
dave- check your email. sent you stuff.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 1:07 PM
" They continue to import from the US, EU & Japan."
Like I said--"Consumer Spending is 70% of our economy and with high unemployment where is the money coming from?" Are going to print money and hand it over for goods? If we do this would inflation be higher Dave?
" Inventories around the globe are at historic and ridiculously low levels. Manufacturing will have to rise to fill orders once inventories are depleted and hiring will begin."
I think you need to check the shipping ports around America. The ports are filling up with unsellable items (Cars, Goods and crap from China).
"Once the loss of jobs has declined dramatically, the consumer will start to spend. "
Then again Dave -- Where are the jobs coming from? To bring back employment levels from last year America need to create about 5 million jobs. How do we do that?
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 1:08 PM
Think a lot of inventory restocking has already happened, and was the major cause of the relative improvement in economic numbers in the past 4 months. I wonder how much is still left to come.
Also, labor is usually a lagging indicator.
Posted by: etson at July 8, 2009 1:11 PM
Now you tell us what the cause of the big November shockwave is going to be????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:03 PM
No!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 1:11 PM
It's a global cycle, like I just explained. the recovery has already begun outside of the US and it will eventually spread to here with the US exporting more goods because of the weak dollar.
Like I just said, once the employment numbers stabilize, consiumers will begin to spend.
In fact, the June auto numbers were better than expected and will be even better ijn July. Ford has record low inventories.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:12 PM
Now you tell us what the cause of the big November shockwave is going to be????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:03 PM
No!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 1:11 PM
WHAT A FUC$%*ING ASSHOLE YOU ARE. WHAT A CHILDISH RESPONSE. YOU HAVE NO ANSWER AND ARE GENERALLY CLUELESS ABOUT THE ECONOMY.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:14 PM
Now you tell us what the cause of the big November shockwave is going to be????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:15 PM
I want all the others to see this assinine response of yours so I post it here again....
Now you tell us what the cause of the big November shockwave is going to be????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:03 PM
No!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 1:11 PM
ROTFLMMFAO AT SUCH A LOSER.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:16 PM
"It's a global cycle, like I just explained. the recovery has already begun outside of the US and it will eventually spread to here with the US exporting more goods because of the weak dollar."
A funny thing is happing in China. People have lost their jobs and factories have closed down causing wide spread riots.
Police restore order in western China; 156 killed
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090706/ap_on_re_as/as_china_protest
RUMQI, China – Chanting "Strike down the criminals," hundreds of paramilitary police with shields, rifles and clubs took control of the streets Monday in the capital of western China's Muslim region, a day after the deadliest ethnic violence in decades.
State media said at least 156 people were killed in the unrest, which did not bode well for China's efforts to mollify long-simmering ethnic tensions between the minority Uighur people and the ethnic Han Chinese in Xinjiang — a sprawling region three times the size of Texas that shares borders with Pakistan, Afghanistan and other Central Asian countries.
Dave did not answer my questions on "Job Creation" so maybe the Skittles craping Unicorn will help us out!
You know what's very scary Dave? You are paid to "Manage" people money. I hope you're being a Jackass and really beLIEving the crap that spews from your keyboard.
Today was a clear example on how much of a Dumbass you are! Thanks Dave see you on the other side...
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 1:21 PM
Have to disagree with you again Dave, numbers declining at a slower rate is not contrary evidence to recovery but neither is it proof positive that recovery is around the corner.
At some point, the rebasing effect will mean that the year-on-year declines become positives but does not mean things are rosy again. You have to get back to at least the level of where things weren't bad to begin with.
Posted by: the chicken at July 8, 2009 1:24 PM
soft core porn is cool if youre a child, but as an adult you should just watch the real thing. i used to watch Playboy and the Spice channel as a kid and it felt like real porn!! (i had a box that descrambled those channels shhhhh). LOL i insisted on a lock on my door at 9 years old. my grandparents were like why? i was like because i do not wish to be disturbed while im doing my homework!
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 8, 2009 1:26 PM
Christ, you can't even see a real race/class war when it stares you in the face. Know what a Uighur is dumbass???
You have been exposed today for your "No!" respnse.
You've PWNED yourself again and that's it.
Any further discussion with you taday is now over. I believe everyone here will be on my side with that "No!" answer.
Godd night What. Go back downstairs and sit in your basement room.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:26 PM
chicken, that's the way cycles behave. I'm not saying that the numbers will be back to where they started very soon but they are certainly (mostly) headed back up or falling at a slower rate. It will take time but it won't take 19 years which is what What postulated above. You and I are largely in agreement. The rate of the moves is definitely still up in the air.
But 19 years???? Come on. That's lunatic fringe, just as were calls for another "Great depression" and just about everything else the What has spewed.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:31 PM
And, I'm not going to pin my predictions to say, "Four more months" like jackass over there is. It's going to take time but by the end of 1Q 2010 and certainly within 2Q 2010 there will be a lot more than "green shoots."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:33 PM
"You have been exposed today for your "No!" respnse."
The Straw man Dave?
"You have been exposed today for your "No!" response."
Guys guys it feels just like last summer! Everyone was laughing at me and in October the financial world came crashing down! Well I could go into more detail but my analysis is tradable. That's why I wont discuss it.
Dave I pose 3 questions to you and you're have not answered a single one. You just use fallacy to support your ideas.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 1:36 PM
BIFF, you play cymbals? My sister has a couple of has been playing for years and her husband is a pretty well known Klezmer musician (He actually has PhD in ethnomusicology in jewish folklore).
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 8, 2009 1:37 PM
Biff....I've been to that ROTD deli many times (see my review). The eye candy is usually behind the counter or in the small kitchen in back.
Good beer selection too.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:37 PM
I don't know about the rest of you but I base all my financial planning decisions on Dave and What's back and forth on the OT. Some days Dave seems strong, other days the What is strong. Today I sense Dave is unusually defensive. This augurs ill. I'm sellin'.
Posted by: sam at July 8, 2009 1:38 PM
Uh, what happened to the truce?
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 1:38 PM
"But 19 years???? Come on. That's lunatic fringe, just as were calls for another "Great depression" and just about everything else the What has spewed."
FACT: If you brought property in Japan in 1990 today you are STILL underwater....
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 1:40 PM
" Well I could go into more detail but my analysis is tradable. That's why I wont discuss it."
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 1:36 PM
WHAT A FRAUD. Is it proprietary software like what that guy stole from Golfdman Sachs?? From someone who can't even form a proper sentence most of the time!!!!!!I think we all now know who has been exposed as the real fraud.
I've never heard anything so ridiculous come out of a mouth in my life.
Absolutely amazing what some people believe of themselves!!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:42 PM
so DIBS, do you think AA will surprise on the upside? Seems like that is the next big number everyone is waiting for.
Posted by: denton at July 8, 2009 1:43 PM
sam...you gotta hold onto your core positions but you need to cover your overall market exposure here.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:45 PM
"Absolutely amazing what some people believe of themselves!!!!!!"
Right Jackass...
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 1:46 PM
denton, I don't think AA will surprise on the upside. i think everyone has seen the movement in commodity prices downward. Those prices still need to drop more for the industrial economy to turnaround.
I don't think the market is looking for an upward surprise though.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:48 PM
so...how 'bout dem Mets?
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 1:48 PM
The Mets.
The What.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:52 PM
DH, DIBS already poured salt onto my METS wound. what team do you cheer for?
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 1:53 PM
- sorry m4l - joined the OT late this morning.
I have been a lifelong yankees fan - but i am finding it increasingly hard to root for them as the years pass.
also, i take no pleasure in the mets troubles. i'd rather any team from new york win rather then a team from a poseur city such as Philly :-P
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 1:55 PM
dave if your double-entendre is that I should limit my exposure here on the OT, I think you are right. I always try.
Posted by: sam at July 8, 2009 1:57 PM
Philly is a nicer place if only for the fewer number of poseur hipsters. L:-)
And, they apparently have a better baseball team. :-P
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 1:58 PM
They also have those really charming brick sidewalks in Philly. Love those.
Posted by: sam at July 8, 2009 2:03 PM
I suspect Dave is a total fair-weather fan. Bet he can't name the 9 Phillies starting players (that is, without consulting mlb.com).
Got news for you Dave - the Phillies are in 1st place because the National League East is CRAP (sorry M4L). No repeat, Dave, won't happen. Please don't hurt yourself jumping off that bandwagon this fall.
Hipster, keep the faith. Repeat after me: 26 World Championships.
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 2:04 PM
Who dares to be the first commenter on that "caboose" on the Streetlevel thread above^^^^^^
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 2:04 PM
Go Padres! Keep the Faith!
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 2:06 PM
Dave vs. What......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spy_vs._Spy
"Employed by the embassies of two nations and identical except for [their view of the Brooklyn housing market and the general economic outlook], the Spies battle against each other with a variety of complicated (sometimes ridiculously so) [arguments regarding various financial scenarios]. The victor alternates roughly every other [post], and neither spy is portrayed as good or evil since both of them are equally ruthless towards each other. Even though they are pretty much identical, their habits and jobs aren't exactly the same: the White spy is sort of a [hedge fund manager], as in a good number of strips he's creating [financial instruments] for his [clients], while the Black spy is much more of an infiltrator, as he tries to [deride] the aforementioned [financial instruments frm Dave and his 'Gang of Four']."
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 2:07 PM
Thwap! - ENY
Posted by: Arkady at July 8, 2009 2:10 PM
With love and kisses to what and DIBS:
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A: I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.
Pause
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A: Thank you.
short pause
M: Well?
A: Well what?
M: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M: I just paid!
A: No you didn't.
M: I DID!
A: No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A: No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A: No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up.
Posted by: slopefarm at July 8, 2009 2:12 PM
"Got news for you Dave - the Phillies are in 1st place because the National League East is CRAP (sorry M4L). "
Sounds like a "What" argument. That type of logic is pervasive in sports. Only because everyone else sucks this year is No. 1, No. 1. It's basically dumb sports fan logic.
And the lineup changes evey week primarily due to who is pitching and whether carlos Ruiz is catching.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 2:14 PM
Coffee spit on monitor, slopefarm. ROTF.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 2:15 PM
Is this the open thread? Or, as ENY says, is it Spy vs Spy?
Just got back from my trip to Gettysburg. What an amazingly strange place.
Posted by: wasder at July 8, 2009 2:16 PM
DH, I support all the NY, NJ teams - except the Islanders (somehow just cant connect with them).
ENY, to the victor goes the spoils. Phillies won division and World Series so they deserve the respect. as much as it pains me to say it, my METS have little fight or heart.
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 2:17 PM
Just got back from my trip to Gettysburg. What an amazingly strange place.
Posted by: wasder at July 8, 2009 2:16 PM
--------------------------------------------
Do you mean ehre in the OT or Gettysburg?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 2:20 PM
Gettysburg is pretty strange.
Posted by: sam at July 8, 2009 2:25 PM
wasder, did you see any ghosts or experience any paranormal?? In Gettysburg, I mean.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 2:26 PM
Biff-style rejoiner:
Gettysburg is pretty strange.
-but it has a good address.
Posted by: sam at July 8, 2009 2:27 PM
Guys did any of my questions get answered???
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 2:30 PM
Interviewed some ghost hunters, some re-enacters, a Lincoln impersonator etc. Plus had a killer family holiday at the same time in a lovely farmhouse on a big plot of land. Really nice 4th.
Posted by: wasder at July 8, 2009 2:31 PM
"Sounds like a "What" argument. That type of logic is pervasive in sports. Only because everyone else sucks this year is No. 1, No. 1. It's basically dumb sports fan logic."
In other words, you can't name the nine Phillies starters, right?
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 2:31 PM
Yeah - I hear ya ENY. The yanks are hanging tough this season but doesn't mean much if they can't beat the Red Sox.
The whole new stadium thing bugs me. Can't stand Arod and we totally overpaid for underpeforming 'stud' pitchers in the offseason.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 2:35 PM
Is anyone else having trouble with gmail? I haven't been able to log on for three hours now.
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 2:36 PM
Yep m4L Phillies are champs, respect due. But right now, going into the playoffs last year is most definitely over and the Philies are vulnerable. The division is weak. The Mets have collapsed (good reason - all of their best players except for one are hurt), but they're STILL only 4.5 games out! The Phillies are looking to sign Pedro, which was not the plan out of spring training, let's say.
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 2:38 PM
East New York I've been a die hard Met fan since '73. I remember running home from PS 56 to catch the second inning of the World Series. That's when the World Series was played during the daytime, the good ole days. The New York Mets is and always be "My Team".
The Phillies are only 4 games in first place and The Mets have suck so far this year. When they get Pultz, Reyes and get everyone else healthy again I think August will be very interesting.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at July 8, 2009 2:40 PM
ENY...selective reading???
LIke I said..."And the lineup changes evey week primarily due to who is pitching and whether carlos Ruiz is catching."
Otherwise it's Howard, Utley, Rollins, Feliz, Werth Victorino & Mayberry.
Just because I'm a "f word" doesn't mean I don't know my favorite team players.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 2:41 PM
"The yanks are hanging tough this season but doesn't mean much if they can't beat the Red Sox."
True. We'll see what happens down the stretch. Everyone seems to be Red Sox-paranoid, but we're not too many seasons removed from sweeping those guys in 5 straight games, which everyone seems to have forgotten. The Sox have been the better team the last few seasons, no question. But they still can't match the Torre era for championships [Sox: 2004 and 2007; Yanks/Torre 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000. Guess what - that's one of the LESSER title stretches in Yankees history! In the big scheme of things, the Sox just aren't on the same page with the Yanks. Don't forget that.
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 2:44 PM
sixyears...the hacking that occurred in South Korea over the weekend has been far more widespread here in the US than is being reported. Many US gov't sites were down for a few hours and some even 2 days.
I don't know that it has spread to commercial sites though.'
This was a serious act of computer terrorism most likely from the "tree bark sandwich eaters."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 2:45 PM
"Just because I'm a "f word" doesn't mean I don't know my favorite team players."
Who said anything about that? It's doesn't make any difference. I just think you're a front-runner. OK, I'll give it to you. You know the starters. But I've got my eye on you, man!
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 2:46 PM
Spot on ENY
I'm not too worried. The mix of players we have now is definitely enough to win the series. Our pitching needs to step up big time.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 2:47 PM
6 years- my gmail is fine.
Anyone interested in the Brooklyn Cyclones who are doing great this season? Celebrated their 10th straight win.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 2:47 PM
I'm not a fair weather Phillies fan. I've been down there most weekends of the year since 1999 and a fan since then. I left Chicago in 1994 for NYC and I'd still be a Cubs fan were it not for my new roots in Philly.
And there's no such thing as a fair weather Cubs fan.
Yes, I'm an Eagles fan too.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 2:50 PM
And Ron Artest (you know, that player the Knicks could have drafted eons ago but instead decided to pick a French doofus) just signed with the Lakers.
Should be an interesting season in the NBA. I was surprised how entertaining the NBA Playoffs were this year.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 2:50 PM
And YES!! to the Yankees. Good call, ENY- not that I'm biased in any way :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 2:51 PM
A quick quiz for all you PLUSAs....
The Banana Test
There is a very, very, very, very tall coconut tree and there are 4 animals, a lion, Chimpanzee, a Giraffe, and a Squirrel
They decide to compete to see who is the fastest to get a banana off the tree.
Who wins the competition?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 2:52 PM
Six my gmail is fine as well.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at July 8, 2009 2:53 PM
Snappy, this sounds like an animal racist joke.
bxgrl...my parents are Yankees and Giants fans.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 2:54 PM
coconut trees don't have bananas
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 2:55 PM
LOL Dave! I promise you, it's not a racist animal joke :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 2:56 PM
I grew up on the Padres, and still see them whenever they're in NYC. No Mets or Yankees for me, thank you very much! Of the two, I'll take the Mets any day, for two reasons:
1. One side of my family is from Boston.
2. The National League plays real baseball.
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 2:58 PM
DH, you are the only person I've asked thus far that got it right. Some friends and family got into an argument over wether the squirrel could scoot up the tree faster than the girafe could extend his neck!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 2:58 PM
haha - i love those kinda jokes - it's always something "duh, why didn't i notice that!!"
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 3:00 PM
DIBS, you mean this? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Government-Web-sites-attacked-apf-1342411279.html?x=0&.v=5
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 3:00 PM
2. The National League plays real baseball.
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 2:58 PM
Sounds like more of what I refer to as "dumb sports fan logic," the kind of talk you hear from two Joe Sixpacks at the bar with their guts hanging out ogling women who wouldn't give then the time of day!!! :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 3:00 PM
snappy- lions don't eat bananas :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2009 3:01 PM
Ha! My gmail just came back to life. Clearly one of you PLUSAs has more power than we realize.
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 3:01 PM
what? there isn't a banana between each pair of nuts?
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 3:02 PM
M4L, very funny!!!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 3:04 PM
Yes, sixyears...a fair number of sites were hacked.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 3:04 PM
To build a black house, you paint the house black.
To build a blue house, you paint the house blue.
To build a yellow house, you paint the house yellow.
What color do you paint a greenhouse?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 3:06 PM
For you, six. Your team is so far from the contender's section that I don't even have to mention the 1998 Yanks-Padres World Series (four game Yankee sweep).
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/27/84padscaps152624/?padres
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 3:06 PM
as far as Knicks, all eyes on next yr's free agency. I hope Cavs win championship next yr so Lebron can leave Cleveland w/o any guilt (bye bye; hey, at least I gave you a trophy before trying my mircle powers in that disaster know as Knicks). I would like to pick up Dirk along with Lebron.
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 3:06 PM
Argh...ignore that one...I screwed it up!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at July 8, 2009 3:06 PM
lol DIBS! Or the beginning of one of life's never-ending arguments, a la DIBS v. What.
One of my exes asked me if I was in favor of the DH* on our first date.
*No, dirty hipster, she wasn't asking about you!
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 3:06 PM
what? there isn't a banana between each pair of nuts?
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 3:02 PM
m4l, you of all people shouldn't be talking like that in front of DIBS.
Secondly, why are you asking the What????
Posted by: Bold type guest at July 8, 2009 3:10 PM
I remember 1998 (and for that matter, 1984) like it was yesterday, ENY.
1998 Padres starting lineup: Joyner, Veras, Gomez, Caminiti, Hernandez, Vaughn, Finley, Gwynn
1984 Padres starting lineup: Garvey, Wiggins, Templeton, Nettles, Kennedy, Martinez, McReynolds, Gwynn
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 3:11 PM
This letter to the editor is for all you Yankees fans out there:
Those Baseball Fans Who Know Only Tears
Published: Tuesday, October 21, 2003
To the Editor:
Re ''Walking It Off,'' by Bob Greene (Op-Ed, Oct. 18):
Having grown up in the Bronx a few miles from Yankee Stadium, but living now a few minutes' walk from Wrigley Field, I must disagree with Mr. Greene's statement that ''nobody lost'' in Chicago and that what happened ''is not irretrievably melancholy.''
To deny the reality of loss is to miss the lesson of the Cubs. If a consumer product, scientific theory or political party consistently failed for 95 years, how many adherents would it retain? Yet millions of people around the world adhere to the Chicago Cubs.
To walk into Wrigley Field is to know that life inevitably means loss, that even the sunniest day has its shadows and ends in darkness, but that to persist and never surrender, even in the face of irretrievable melancholy, is heroic.
The question must be asked: Do the Yankees teach us any lesson as profound?
STUART ALTSCHULER
Chicago, Oct. 18, 2003
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 3:13 PM
And Wrigley Field, with its Ivy outfield is one of the last great old-time ball parks.
I could walk there from many of the places I lived in Chicago.
In 1999 i went to opening day in Chicago, they were playing the Phillies. It got snowed out. I sat across the street in the Cubby Bear Lounge and the snow was so heavy i couldn't see the ball park!!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 3:16 PM
"Is anyone else having trouble with gmail? I haven't been able to log on for three hours now."
No prob, but then again Google just announced it's outta beta. haha.
Posted by: denton at July 8, 2009 3:18 PM
DIBS, the "w" was not capitlized and I'm still honoring his request that we don't interact with each other
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 3:22 PM
Dave, 64 already!!! PL of the week.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 3:22 PM
Dave, 63 already!!! PL of the week.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 3:23 PM
ENY. No one cares about your daddy's yankees. Welcome to the 21st century. Joe Torre works for the Dodgers. You haven't won in 10 years, and only the geriatrics on the team can even remember it. Your program is rotten to the core because of a history of neglecting internal development in favor of writing checks to finance your own all-star team. The Sox were better before they even started beating you, because they did the hard work to develop their program. You should worry.
Posted by: joe_the_bummer at July 8, 2009 3:25 PM
randi, those that can't, count.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 3:25 PM
I thought joe the bummer was a jerk the other day (can't remember why though). Now, I'm not so sure anymore :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 3:27 PM
Dave, 64 already!!! PL of the week.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 3:22 PM
Dave, 63 already!!! PL of the week.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 3:23 PM
What about those who can't even count?
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 3:30 PM
if not for my G-Men winning the yr b4, NJ/NYC has been suffering thru massive championship drought. Can you believe that Pittsburgh is currently Championship City (champs in Football and Hockey)
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 3:31 PM
you people and your basketball talk scared off all the ladies!
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 8, 2009 3:31 PM
ENY, I went to the Yankee game on Sunday and have to say I was very impressed with the new stadium. My expectations, despite the lofty pricetag, were very low. I was more than pleasantly surprised. Everything about it was wonderful. I didn't even mind coughing up $9 for a beer (plus tip), as I was on such a high admiring everything. I arrived 2 hours prior to game time to look around. There wasn't one minute one did not realize one was on the Yankees home turf, with all of the video tributes and pictures of the legends all over the place. Unfortunately, Citi Field is totally different; one can easily forget who the home team is when walking around there.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 3:31 PM
"randi, those that can't, count."
that is the stupidest thing i have heard all day.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 3:31 PM
you people and your basketball talk scared off all the ladies!
BASEBALL TALK BASEBALL TALK, NOT BASKETBALL HAHAH
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 8, 2009 3:31 PM
"BIFF, you play cymbals?"
I play the drums, so I guess the answer is yes. I'm not talking about holding one crash cymbal on each hand and marching in a parade with a funny costume.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 3:33 PM
dave was it the knock against sex in the city? that show ruined a generation of nice wholesome girls. It puts me in a rage, the way Lou Dobbs does when he reads letters from his audience members suggesting that he run for president. Yankees fans just slowly burn under my skin, like people who litter and spit, and take up too much space on the subway stairs. To me the yankees represent all that's hateful in new york.
Posted by: joe_the_bummer at July 8, 2009 3:38 PM
BIFF, you play cymbals?"
Why yes. Here I am....
http://tinyurl.com/kqpqq6
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 3:38 PM
haha sixyears - very funny!
joe the bummer - the yankees ATM have one of the best farm systems in baseball. Most of that led the red sox to the championship were acquired through trades/free agency.
and they traded away Hanley Ramirez - sure for Beckett, but Han Ram will be great long after Beckett is gone.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 3:39 PM
Actually joe, with that last post you habve been elevated to "Hero" status on all counts.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 3:39 PM
yankees fans are the lowest of the low. i mean real scum. bad people. did you ever look at jeter, i mean really look at him. DON'T. trust me.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 3:42 PM
"The question must be asked: Do the Yankees teach us any lesson as profound?"
Hell, yes: if you focus on being the best EVERY year, you'll be the best ALMOST every year. 26, man, 26! No other franchise is even close.
Besides, how can you NOT like a team whose greatest player was the type of guy who'd awake up, eat a bunch of hot dogs, knock the boots with 3-4 chicks, head over to the ballpark, pitch a shutout and hit a home run? And, he'd probably get drunk at a bar after the game and KICK someone's ASS! Classic! NONE of your sissy teams have anyone like that!
M4L - I'm with you, brother - G MEN!!
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 3:44 PM
DH, give Beckett his prop's. The man in the playoffs is as dominant as it gets currently. if not for him, Yanks win that series against Marlins. if we're talking about grooming talent, Minn, Atlanta, Oakland - those 3 are the benchmarks. It aint the Sox or other teams
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 3:44 PM
jeter's hot, even I think that.
randi, like I said above, stick to counting the posts, your posts are usually pithy at best.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 3:45 PM
"Actually joe, with that last post you habve been elevated to "Hero" status on all counts."
"yankees fans are the lowest of the low. i mean real scum."
You're in fine company there, Dave. A real class bunch.
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 3:45 PM
"Besides, how can you NOT like a team whose greatest player was the type of guy who'd awake up, eat a bunch of hot dogs, knock the boots with 3-4 chicks, head over to the ballpark, pitch a shutout and hit a home run? And, he'd probably get drunk at a bar after the game and KICK someone's ASS! Classic! NONE of your sissy teams have anyone like that! "
We all have our heroes.
>>>>>>Listening to "Glory Days"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOpIfbneeHg
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 3:48 PM
yankees fans are the lowest of the low. i mean real scum."
You're in fine company there, Dave. A real class bunch.
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 3:45 PM
ENY...it was randi who said that, NOT JOE. None of us are at the level randi is, "lowest of the low."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 3:50 PM
FYI, that was impressive, six ('98 and '84 Padres lineups). I'd forgotten you guys took Puff away from us. Watching guys like Toby Harrah play third in the Nettles' wake nearly KILLED me!
"you people and your basketball talk scared off all the ladies!"
Hey look man - I don't hate on RHONJ!! Let me get my baseball talk on!
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 3:51 PM
Biff, I meant a dulcimer aka cymbals. I guess we meant different things :o).
Posted by: Kensingtonian at July 8, 2009 3:52 PM
"ENY...it was randi who said that, NOT JOE. None of us are at the level randi is, "lowest of the low."
Yeah, I know that Dave. Joe hated on the Yanks, and you supported that. Randolph hated on the Yanks too. So, I concluded that you are in agreement with Randolph AND Joe (at least on the Yanks). And, agreeing with these two "personalities" on ANYTHING is pretty scary when you really think about it.
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 3:54 PM
ENY, I can't remember all the bench players for 1998 (except John Vander Wal) but 1984 looked something like this and includes a few more names Yankees fans love/hate:
OF: Bobby Brown, Champ Summers
INF: Mario Ramirez, Luis Salazar, Kurt Bevacqua
C: Bruce Bochy
SP: Eric Show, Mark Thurmond, Tim Lollar, Ed Whitson, Dave Dravecky
Bullpen: Andy Hawkins, Luis DeLeon, Greg Booker, Craig Lefferts, Goose Gossage
The '84 Padres starting rotation included three members of the John Birch Society (Dravecky, Thurmond, and Show, who died of a drug overdose), and 2B Wiggins died of AIDS.
They all brought tremendous joy to the city of San Diego (and to seven-year-old me).
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 3:58 PM
ENY -- you're like the pot-bellied trailer-dweller re-living his high school football career for his scrawny dog. I mean look at you, reminding an anonymous blog how many times the yankees won in the 19-somethings. I'll bet you had hair then, too. clean yourself up and get a hold of your life!
Posted by: joe_the_bummer at July 8, 2009 3:59 PM
Even if you don't like the Yanks - you have to admire how George turned the team around from a POS team worth nothing into a billion dollar franchise.
People tend to forget baseball is a BUSINESS - championships or not in the last 10 years, the Yankees are the most successful team in baseball.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 3:59 PM
HAAAAAAAAAAAA! I just read this on city-data board. i think nyc "cyclists" should ALL MOVE TO DETROIT TOO!!!!
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"While bike enthusiasts in most urban areas continue to have to fight for their place on the streets, Detroit has the potential to become a new bicycle utopia. It’s a town just waiting to be taken. With well less than half its peak population, and free of anything resembling a hill, the city and its miles and miles of streets lie open and empty, beckoning. And lately, whether it’s because of the economy or the price of gas or just because it’s a nice thing to do, there are a lot more bikers out riding."
*rob*
GO!!!! housing is CHEAP! GO NOW YOUNG (AND OLD) CYCLIST!
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 8, 2009 4:01 PM
Oh, and how could I forget backup 2B-SS Tim Flannery? Major FAIL on my part, as he was a real San Diego favorite. Dick Williams told him he was the worst player he'd ever seen in the major leagues, but he played his heart out, Pete Rose-style. Flannery was also a surfer and professional musician - perfect for San Diego.
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 4:02 PM
HA! there's more. turns out it was from a NY TIMES article.
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"Despite the press, survival here isn’t so hard. Businesses like the Wheelhouse and the Hub have already shown how well Detroit can work as a new business hothouse. With the legendarily affordable real estate and without needing to pay for car payments, gas or insurance, bicyclists could rebuild Detroit into a model of a two-wheeled economy. They could pass laws promoting bikes over cars and designate entire avenues motor-free zones, which, given the state of many of them now, wouldn’t be so much of a stretch." <
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 8, 2009 4:02 PM
if anyone is to complain about a NY team spending tons to try to win but dont win - you can choose between Knicks and Rangers. BTW, both owned by same owner - Dolan. Dolan hasn't seem the return (playoffs, championships,... wise) on his spending but I admire the man's willingness to keep spending, spending,.....
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 4:05 PM
Speaking of the Mets & the Phillies, Lenny Dykstra just filed for bankruptcy!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 4:08 PM
Ugh m4l - don't get me started on the Dolans
didn't the knicks just sign Grant Hill to a one year deal? Grant F*ckin Hill!! One of the biggest flops in NBA history!!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 4:08 PM
Joe, that was so funny I forgot to laugh. The real question is, who's helping you to read these posts?
On the other hand, six you are bonafide! Champ Summers!! Been a long time since I heard that name! One of the great baseball names of all time.
And I remember when Alan Wiggins died (also played of the Orioles). Very sad. I remember thinking what a jerk Eric Show (rhymes with "ow") was because of his John Birch membership.
Also played for the Yanks:
Bobby Brown
Ed Whitson
Andy Hawkins
Goose Gossage
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 4:16 PM
Len Dykstra is a deadbeat. He recently operated a sports magazine that stiffed a BUNCH of writers and artists. He even stiffed some family members! Total lowlife.
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 4:17 PM
DH, Knicks have the biggest FLOP but it's DARKO not Hill. before the injuries, Hill was having a decent career. It would interest to see if Darko turns out to be decent in this system
Posted by: more4less at July 8, 2009 4:21 PM
Show must have had major psychological issues. He was a real competitor who took the game personally (in the worst way - he sat down on the mound after giving up Pete Rose's record-breaking hit).
Hawkins pitched the ugliest no-hitter of all time as a Yankee, losing 4-0. He remains the only Padres pitcher ever credited with a World Series win.
ENY, when are you coming to one of our PLUSA gatherings?
Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at July 8, 2009 4:27 PM
denton...AA numbers much better than expected...-$0.26 vs. estimate 0f -$0.38
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 4:30 PM
Yes, ENY, we'd love to meet you, despite today's conversation. :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 4:30 PM
"Hawkins pitched the ugliest no-hitter of all time as a Yankee, losing 4-0."
I recall that performance vividly as the nadir of the Yankees' struggles in the 1980s. We had players like Don Mattingly, Winfield (former Padre great), Don Baylor, Jack Clark, Rickey Henderson, Steve Kemp, etc. and we couldn't win ANYTHING! I remember thinking "We can't even win a f-king no hitter!!"
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 4:37 PM
"ENY, when are you coming to one of our PLUSA gatherings?"
I really have to think about it. I definitely enjoy BS-ing with the folks here. But I'm still old school enough that I want to keep my online presence and "real" life separate. That may change. But thanks for asking!
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 4:40 PM
I think ENY has mentioned in the past he still likes his online anonymity
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 4:41 PM
You're eight years younger than I am. How can you be "old school??" LOL
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 4:42 PM
"You're eight years younger than I am. How can you be "old school??" LOL"
I have a kid who's a college graduate. He's probably the same age as DH, and is definitely the same age as some of the folks on our little staff here. I remember things these guys never knew EXISTED. I'm OLD school. But, that means I'm a lot wiser (theoretically, anyway).
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 4:46 PM
HEY WHAT...Here's someonme else confirming my thesis on how the global economy is set to recover. You ever heard of him??? He's not from your part of the ghetto.
Soros Says China Will Help World Economy Recover From Recession
2009-07-08 19:07:22.830 GMT
July 8 (Bloomberg) -- Billionaire George Soros called China “a positive force” that will help drive growth as the world emerges from the current economic crisis.
“For China, the crisis is something affecting them from
the outside,” said Soros, 78, in a Bloomberg Radio interview. “They can stimulate their economy. They have reserves. They have a trade surplus. They will be one of the motors of the world economy.”
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 4:52 PM
While all of you losers are talking crap, can any of you say you were at the final game of a World Series and saw your team win?
I'm talking seats right by first base for Game 6 in 1993 as Joe Carter hat a walk off homer for the Blue Jays in the bottom of the 9th to win the World Series against the Phillies and Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams. Thank you very much.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 4:54 PM
ENY...I had to use a slide rule my first year in college, calculators hadn't been invented yet.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 4:54 PM
*hit* a walk off home run. I'm a spelling loser.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 4:55 PM
ENY, you can still be anonymous. some people have come to brownstoner events and wore masks and no name tag.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 8, 2009 5:10 PM
Biffy, I remember watching that game in Philly. We were all SHOCKED! Stupid Wild Thing.
Posted by: jessibaby at July 8, 2009 5:11 PM
JB, I think Wild Thing was run out of town after that; poor guy.
I haven't seen you on the bridge lately. Are you burning the midnight oil?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 5:12 PM
I usually leave around 7:00. Oh, and I checked out the BK Heights wine bar. While I had a lovely glass of wine, the atmosphere wasn't too great. Ugly marble bar.
Posted by: jessibaby at July 8, 2009 5:16 PM
Did you see that the Steve McNair death is now classified as a murder-suicide committed by his girlfriend?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 5:16 PM
I think that was the assumption all along Biff, from what I heard a few days ago.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 5:17 PM
Oh, and re: BK Heights Wine Bar - lots of cougars there.
Posted by: jessibaby at July 8, 2009 5:23 PM
haha cougars
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 5:26 PM
Yup, three of them. Looking quite hungry.
DH, I love Weeds, although this season isn't my favorite. What do you think. I heart MLP.
Posted by: jessibaby at July 8, 2009 5:28 PM
DH, isn't a cougar to you any woman over 25 years old?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 5:29 PM
test
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 5:29 PM
Randi, did you get blocked?
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 5:30 PM
trying to post a link to an oscar meyer commercial because...
OSCAR MEYER IS DEAD!!!
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 5:32 PM
"OSCAR MEYER IS DEAD!!!"
First Ed, Farrah and MJ and now Oscar?? What is going on? Will they bury him in a giant bun? (sorry, that wasn't very respectful)
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 8, 2009 5:35 PM
Yeah JB - I agree. The past 2 seasons haven't really done anything for me, but it's still better than 90% of the other shows out there, MLP is smokin though!
haha Biff - age ain't nuttin but a number!
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 5:36 PM
is the OT on the fritz?
Posted by: dirty_hipster at July 8, 2009 5:45 PM
"ENY, you can still be anonymous. some people have come to brownstoner events and wore masks and no name tag."
Huh...masks?
Posted by: East New York at July 8, 2009 5:53 PM
that would be me, ENY.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 6:21 PM
PLUSAs are getting lazy towards the end of the day. lame.
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 6:28 PM
"denton...AA numbers much better than expected...-$0.26 vs. estimate 0f -$0.38"
Yeah, I was kinda thinking that would happen. One more for team bull.
Posted by: denton at July 8, 2009 6:28 PM
Sorry randi, there was no one at Rope that creepy.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 6:40 PM
"“They can stimulate their economy. They have reserves. They have a trade surplus. They will be one of the motors of the world economy.”"
Yeah, China is scary because with the guvment they have they can just do what they want, and if they do it right, they'll kick our ass. We are so mired in sh*t.
Just follow the NYT for the past few weeks. They are building wind farms like crazy, TBone gave up. They regulate auto fuel efficiency. It takes us decades, they do it with the snap of a finger.
We've lost the auto industry, all we have left in this country that we make is airplanes and bombs. Maybe some high end medical and power gen equipment. And movies. We've lost it on nuke power.
What's gonna pull us out of this mess?
The only thing I hate about China is that it's damn hard to invest in the long term story if you're a small investor. I admit I bought some HAO today but with a lot of misgivings on how China runs the stock market. Maybe they can turn it over to us since we have turned over our mfg to them.
What was that about straw hats and nukes? Don't hear that too much anymore.
Posted by: denton at July 8, 2009 6:40 PM
denton...if you have a Schwab account or most likely any other decent broker, you can buy in Hong Kong with little effort. All the real companies are listed in HK. Even institutional investors don't bother playing in Shanghai & Shenzhen...the companies are crap and the valuations screwed up. Where there's a dual PRC/HK listing, the HK listed stock is always cheaper.
There are very few China companies listed here in the US that are worth looking at....maybe a half dozen...the rest are problematic from the standpoint of capital structure or just an unexciting business.
There is one US listed closed end fund that does buy actual A shares in China....CAF
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 6:51 PM
"Sorry randi, there was no one at Rope that creepy."
except you DIBS!!!
Posted by: Return of Randolph at July 8, 2009 6:53 PM
There's a really great nuke play that we own...GSE Systems (GVP) which has huge market share around the world for training nuclear facility employees on the operation of the plant. As you can imagine, most of their business is now in Asia. The training is mandatory everywhere are retraining is always necessary.
The just started a big program here in the US with Southern Co who is going ahead with new reactors. It's kind of a university where Southern Co (So, also a buy...check the yield) will allow them to bring people from all over the world to enroll.
The stock has moved recently from high $5.00 rnage to high $6.00 range but we think its worth more than $8.00
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 6:56 PM
randi...the operation must have sharpened your sense of humor. I see you're getting quite creative.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at July 8, 2009 7:25 PM
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