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July 9, 2009
Co-op of the Day: 75 Livingston Street, #7B

We like the look and feel of this one-bedroom mini-loft at 75 Livingston Street in Brooklyn Heights. There's lots of natural light and the open-plan living area feels quite spacious; as a bonus, you get a separate den as well, which is really a windowless second bedroom that they're not allowed to call a bedroom. We wish they'd provided a square footage number for the apartment, as it would make it easier to assess the asking price of $600,000 and monthly maintenance of $941. Given our back-of-the-envelope estimate of about 825 square feet, both numbers feel a tad high but not totally wacko.
75 Livingston Street, #7B [Douglas Elliman] GMAP P*Shark
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Over and under is 10 with respect to comments on how awfully high the maintenance is. We get it. Unfortunately, that goes with the territory for these types of buildings in Brooklyn Heights.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 9, 2009 12:49 PM
I love the way they've decorated the place, but that's irrelevant.
I think it's about 100K overpriced, personally. They don't seem to have taken into account the high maintenance when pricing this apartment.
If you want a comparison, I just posted in the forum, a co-op of the day from a few months ago which just sold.
Posted by: 11217 at July 9, 2009 12:49 PM
11217, I saw this listing this morning in your neck of the woods. It looks like a good deal, even in this market. What do you think? How's the location? Please don't note the irony of me posting a Park Slope comp :-)
http://www.brownharrisstevens.com/detail.aspx?id=1027676
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 9, 2009 12:54 PM
Keep in mind that this building requires 25% down (not sure why), so that will reduce the number of potential buyers, particularly given that most buyers today are first-timers and thus aren't using equity in their current place for the down payment. I think that should negatively affect the price. Anyone know which way this faces and if it has any views?
Posted by: kvnbklyn at July 9, 2009 12:56 PM
I second 11217's 100k over-priced comment and that the place looks & is decorated nice. that laundry rm is a pleasant surprise. I like these layouts where there's little to no sq ft wasted on long hallways.
Posted by: more4less at July 9, 2009 12:57 PM
Weird Photoshop job on that Lincoln Pl. bldg.
Posted by: Arkady at July 9, 2009 12:59 PM
Biff,
That is one gorgeous apartment, if you ask me. The location...Lincoln Place between 7th and 8th doesn't get any better. It's super prime...with access to the 2/3 and Q trains around the corner in either direction. And it's a 60 second walk to the Park, GAP Greenmarket, etc.
I actually have a friend in Manhattan who is looking for something just like this place in the Slope, so thanks...I'm going to forward it along immediately. It's one of the better full service buildings in this neck of the woods.
Posted by: 11217 at July 9, 2009 1:01 PM
Oh, but I did just notice on the Lincoln Place apartment, that you have to walk through one bedroom to get to the other, so that's a drawback for some. I'd really call it a 2 bedroom with study, not a 3 bedroom.
I do like how the master is on one end though and the other bedrooms are on the opposite end of the apartment. Would be great for an empty nester couple who has kids/parents in from out of town.
Posted by: 11217 at July 9, 2009 1:05 PM
11217, think Biff was looking to buy it so dont send ad to your friend
Posted by: more4less at July 9, 2009 1:07 PM
Oh if you're interested Biff, I won't send it. Cause my friend is quite serious and will LOVE this place.
And has offered me the commission if I find "the one!"
Posted by: 11217 at July 9, 2009 1:09 PM
I was wondering about the exposure too. That's a very deep space to be lit by just two windows on the short end.
Posted by: Nomi at July 9, 2009 1:10 PM
quote:
And has offered me the commission if I find "the one!"
:-/ x 100
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at July 9, 2009 1:13 PM
11217, f biff. commission involved - you gotta do what you gotta do
Posted by: more4less at July 9, 2009 1:14 PM
M4L/11217, no worries, it's not for me. It's too small for my family and all our stuff (more like junk). I wouldn't have posted it if I was interested. :-)
I just saw it on Natefind and thought it looked surprisingly inexpensive and gorgeous, although I'm also really not crazy about going through one bedroom to get to another - big drawback if the bedroom you're going to is used as a bedroom. Otherwise, it looks fabulous. I thought the location was prime as well, but wasn't positive.
So 11217, please pass it on to your friend. Hope he / she likes it.
Apologies for the mini-hijack of this thread away from the Livingston St. place.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 9, 2009 1:16 PM
Thanks Biff. Just passed it along. I figured that if you were interested, you wouldn't have posted it here. ;)
I think whoever bids on that place, they should try to get it for 999K and avoid the mansion tax and have a winner of a deal.
Posted by: 11217 at July 9, 2009 1:22 PM
You can rent in Soho for less..
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at July 9, 2009 1:27 PM
I'm with you on that Rob,
Soho is NOT a place I would want to live at all.
But The What doesn't understand that. Among many other things...
Posted by: 11217 at July 9, 2009 1:35 PM
Regarding 75 Livingston Street, #7B, the building is nice but the apartments have virtually no detail. I'm also not crazy about the location of the building, which is right at Court Street.
Taking everything into consideration, I think if the sellers get offered $525K, they should take it and run. That wouldn't be a horrible price for the buyers to pay either.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 9, 2009 1:42 PM
I think this looks like a terrific apartment. I would guess they will do a little better than $525. That den space is nice. I know people in the building, it has a nice staff, and great views.
Why are we down on this building? It is one of the Boro's great Art Deco skyscrapers.
Posted by: sam at July 9, 2009 1:50 PM
sam, agree with you re: the outside of the building and didn't mean to downplay it's beauty. The outside of it is stunning, indeed. Just a shame the apartments themselves are so blah...although they all seem to have unique layouts (not necessarily in a good way).
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 9, 2009 1:57 PM
Fighting the worldwide financial crisis of the past 18 months along with the registering requirements has resulted in me making almost no comments on this site. On the occasions I check BS’er, I see the same commentators rehashing the same points. But today, I see my building so I feel obliged to make some observations.
This is a B unit in the lower part of the wedding cake. It looks out towards Court so basically you’re right across from the Board of Ed office building. On 7, I don’t think you will be high enough to clear that building so your view is of an office building. Windows are large – about 7x5 so you get a lot of light despite not having a view. Apartment size is actually over 900 square feet if I remember the details correctly for the floor plans in this part of the building.
As to the maintenance, yeah its more than $1 a foot, but that’s the benchmark I was told to use when I bought my first apartment in 1990 so why shouldn’t this go up as every other expense has over the past 20 years? Covers the usual stuff of building mortgage, taxes, heat, maintenance, building staff, etc., the kind of stuff that many readers of BS’er don’t seem to pay.
The building went co-op in the 80s and the conversion was cheap and boring. But many of the apartments have been renovated, some in spectacular fashion over the 25 years and the fact that there are multiple layouts has created many wonderful apartments that makes the building so much more interesting than the basic cookie cutter new places.
As to the 25% down, it does limit who can purchase, but at the same time it protects the building from people stretching to buy a place, getting over their heads and having problems later. Not unusual for a co-op. Actually on the low end. Residents are young professionals, DINKs, families and retired people – basic boring community that everyone seems to hate about the Heights, but I enjoy it.
Posted by: intheshorts at July 9, 2009 2:09 PM
Meh. Annoying, el cheapo cabinetry. I can see it going in the 300s though.
Posted by: bridges at July 9, 2009 2:27 PM
intheshorts (funny login), that's great insight. As I suggested in my first post, the maintenance is all relative and, if one is looking at this type of building in BH, one should expect it to be at least $1 per sf, which really isn't that out of line, especially when compared to Manhattan apartments, which are usually much more.
As for 25% down, I thought that was pretty much the standard for coops for years now. It seems more than reasonable to request at least that in this environment.
I also enjoy the peace and quiet of the Heights (as boring as it may be to others). One doesn't have to go far to find more lively places if one so desires.
Posted by: Biff Champion at July 9, 2009 2:30 PM
Hard to follow this thread, someone hijacked it to Park Slope, but now that it seems to be back on track I want to comment on this building. Firstly it is indeed one of the great vintage skyscrapers in Brooklyn; not as tall as the Williamsburg Savings Bank but more original, and jazzy.
The co-op deserves a lot of credit, a lot of credit, for restoring the facades so beautifully even though the building is not a landmark (somehow).
It was built as an office building not a residential building so there are no original details in the units but the layouts are varied and interesting and the views from the higher apartments are breathtaking.
The idea that Brooklyn Heights has become somehow less desirable is just silliness and not to be taken seriously except by relentless boosters of other neighborhoods and zip codes.
I do not live in this building but I would guess that one of its great advantages is its location, which is steps away from many major subway lines: 2,3,4,5,R,M. The A is a few blocks away.
I certainly hope this unit sells for over %550,000. If not it will be bad for all who own property in the Boro as Brookly Heights has always been the bellweather location for residential real estate in Brooklyn.
Posted by: Minard Lafever at July 9, 2009 2:55 PM
I will bore you dear readers with some irrelevant facts. Building was originally the Brooklyn Chamber of Commerce and completed in 1929. An inauspicious start. The building in one of the 2 reasons that local law 11 exists. Back in the 80’s when it was still an office building I believe, a chunk of the terra cotta came off and killed a pedestrian around the same time a similar event happened at a Columbia owned building in Morningside Heights (common Heights theme?). The conversion by the sponsor was done on the cheap and resulted in years of litigation between the residents and sponsor. The terra cotta that everyone admires is unbelievably expensive to maintain. That along with the crappy conversion job by the original sponsor has lead to higher maintenance costs along with sizable assessments (ouch). But the board has done a great job of getting the building into great financial and physical shape. As I pointed out before, the conversion was done on the cheap and the original fit and finish of the original apartments reflected that. Most of the apartments in the building have had some degree of renovations completed now. Its up to you as an owner to do what you can with your space. We gutted our place and what we found ran from terrazzo floors, brick arches, steel columns and terra cotta interior walls. We incorporated some of those elements into the renovation. I will end by echoing the point that if what some consider a uninspiring space in the Heights goes for 300 or so, step back from the falling knife that’s going to cut right through the rest of Brooklyn.
Posted by: intheshorts at July 9, 2009 3:59 PM
intheshorts: good line about the knife, bravo.
I agree with your analysis.
Posted by: Minard Lafever at July 9, 2009 4:12 PM
I'm wondering how much of a premium 110 Livingston gets vs. this.
Posted by: Heather at July 9, 2009 6:22 PM
intheshorts:
...and so self-ironic.
Loved it!
Hi Ku!:
Catch a falling knife
Save the blade from getting dulled
On hard terrazzo
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at July 9, 2009 6:37 PM
Late to the discussion, but I agree with 11217 that the decor is great! Although totally irrelevant regarding whether to buy -- except that sometimes I feel such beautiful taste can be a negative when you look at a place to buy, since you wonder if it will look as good without the current owner's stuff (I suppose not a big deal with a small-ish apartment, but I've had that feeling in houses, where there's a lot more furniture/stuff involved...)
Posted by: Miss Muffett at July 9, 2009 9:43 PM

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