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July 13, 2009
500 Fourth Avenue Sees Most Spring Contracts

This month the Real Deal tried to report some good news for a change by ranking the condos with the most closings and contracts signed between March and May. The results for Brooklyn, which are based on records compiled by StreetEasy, don't exactly show an on-fire market: Leading the way for the most units going into contract is 500 Fourth Avenue (7 contracts in the 3-month period), followed by Boerum Hill's Baltic Tower (5 contracts) and Toren, 444 Humboldt, 90 Guernsey, 205 North 7th, all of which had 4 contract signings. As for closings, the most occurred at East New York's MeadowWood at Gateway (16), Novo and One Northside Piers (8 apiece), and Baltic Tower and the Argyle (7 each). The full rundown is in this PDF chart.
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500 4th had some pretty good deals. The finishes are all top notch - really nice apts. They were offering 10% off for early birds. Too bad the location sucks and it's like living in a hotel.
Posted by: IronMaiden at July 13, 2009 10:59 AM
How many of these "closings" went to general contractors who were owed money by the developers? Just asking the loaded question.
Posted by: IMBY at July 13, 2009 11:41 AM
Rental countdown clock for 500 4th starts now.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at July 13, 2009 1:02 PM
i don;t get it. Seven apts out of 100+ is good news?
Posted by: denton at July 13, 2009 1:31 PM
Actually, my view is that the location is great! It's only a couple of blocks to the subway and a very pleasant stroll to some fabulous restaurants, essential services (banks etc.) and retail on 5th Avenue. It's a short subway ride up 4th Avenue to my current local haunts - sheep station and various places on Smith. Very convenient to get across to Red Hook for the food stands in the park and the waterfromt etc. Even Gowanus makes for some interesting strolling about - some wonderful 'finds' recently. The concierge service is a selling point (as is the washer/dryer - no more ghastly laundromat!), as are the shared amenities in the building. 4th Avenue will take some time to develop and be more pleasant for sure, but in the meantime this is definitely the best deal I've found within my financial means. I've put an offer in on one of these apartments - as have about twenty-or-so others, judging by the 'reserved' apartments on the availability list. Like me, I expect the other purchasers now have their attorney working hard to ensure all is fine and dandy to proceed and go into contract! Just hope it's all ready by late Fall for moving in, at least before the end of the year so I can get my $8,000 tax reduction as first time buyer. Can't wait! :)
Posted by: sandgroper at July 13, 2009 1:39 PM
Nobody loves a sockpuppet, sandgroper, especially one so egregiously transparent. Step up your game or slither back to the shadows.
Posted by: DitmasSnark at July 13, 2009 2:01 PM
LOL How utterly amusing. Pot calling the kettle black? I would say so. Anyhow, an opinion is just an opinion - including yours and mine. Hope you're enjoying this wonderful sunshine. I am!
Posted by: sandgroper at July 13, 2009 2:12 PM
Word to to the (un)wise:
If you are trying to shill for a development, don't write like a shill. No normal person would write what you wrote above, or what you wrote in your (only) other post on this site, which was also about his same building.
Kisses,
DS
Posted by: DitmasSnark at July 13, 2009 2:40 PM
I second DitmasSnark. Sandgroper, you should quit while you are only modestly behind. A swarm descending upon a transparent shill can be vicious, and I suspect that's exactly what is going to happen if you keep up this routine. This is my one nice guy warning.
Posted by: lechacal at July 13, 2009 3:03 PM
Hehehe ... I think you're really funny! My opinion is a genuine outlook. It's a real shame that you can't handle a contrary viewpoint - evidenced by your unwarranted condescending comment. Still ... I guess you're just living up to your own sockpuppetness so good on you - enjoy your amusement.
Posted by: sandgroper at July 13, 2009 3:03 PM
Thanks Lechacal. I shall watch and read with wonder. But I've had my fill with this little back and forth. Better things to do and if I have anything further to say about the building I will, but for now that's actually it!
Posted by: sandgroper at July 13, 2009 3:09 PM
"A swarm descending upon a transparent shill can be vicious, and I suspect that's exactly what is going to happen if you keep up this routine."
Bzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Hey sellhoper, will these apartments be no-fee like Clermont Condominium on Myrtle? (Damn it sucks to be sub-fitty cent sold!)
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at July 13, 2009 4:38 PM
Ok - the final tally is 1 for everyone else against. This puppy is going rental by the year end.
Been to that building - they don't even have anything real to show except for mockups and promises. 4th sucks bananas BTW. Yes it's a short stroll away from decent neighborhoods but there is absolutely nothing good about 4th Ave itself. Maybe some cheap booze and you can change oil in you car on the curbside if you speak spanish.
Posted by: loty at July 13, 2009 4:44 PM
If sandgroper is not a shill, than he/she should certainly look for work in real estate advertising. The wording of your posts, the explanation points - it seems like a copy and paste from a brochuure or web site. I have been to the open house. I have seen the other options up and down 4th Ave. The neighborhood is so-so, but has real upside. The building itself seems better than average in fit and finish. The real negatives - some very bizarre floorplans and a ridiculous pricing profile in this environment. So, sangroper, your posts are as silly & transparent as an "early bird" 10% off sale. Be careful, or you will get stung. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
Posted by: sjtmd at July 13, 2009 7:09 PM
groper, if you are going to shill, at least shill for something good. Don't make it the real estate equivalent of a Ford Pinto, Don't make it something that no one with real options will buy. Dont make it an undersold, soon-to-be-rental shitbox in Gowanus that is wedged between a tire shop and a toxic waste dump. At least shill for something defensible with a hint of respectability, like On Prospect Park or the Vermeil. Your connection to the developers/brokers for this project is so obvious that no one has even bothered to question it. I'm not judging your decision to try to sell this piece of shit - after all that's your job, and everyone has to make a living. I'm questioning your stupidity in not thinking we will see through your transparent routine. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by: lechacal at July 13, 2009 11:10 PM
Wow! It just dawned on me that there's no room for optimism on these comments pages. That is a real disappointment!
I'm not connected with this development in anyway except to be a genuine purchaser.
It's a real shame you have such a low opinion of your immediate and surrounding neighbourhoods, as well as such an obstinate disapproval of anything and everything to improve them. Most of you have nothing to say except negative empty comments and to personally attack an individual who has a positive outlook.
Granted, a lot of the new architecture is certainly unimaginative and the street-level isn't being considered anywhere near enough. Plus, 4th Avenue is quite ugly. But your overly personal attacks on any contrary viewpoint is astounding. I did a little back and forth because I thought someone was joking around with a play on words and thought it fun ... but my goodness, I'm shocked.
Unless this really is just a game and I don't get it - hobbyists? Do you have a table of points for each sting (bzzzz)? Hmmm.
Many people purchase properties for a whole bunch of different reasons. Out of everything I've seen, 500 4th is the best for me, it's in my personal price range, it ticks my personal check-boxes and it's the only building where I haven't walked about finding all the faults. I've been there three times to determine this, inspected the actual space I'm buying (with hard hat admittedly) and I like it.
As for pricing, I've done my own comparisons and read the quarterly reports for value of square footage blah blah blah. At the end of the day, anything is only worth what someone will pay for it. The obscene prices in the past is a testament to that. I'm prepared to pay for an apartment that costs less than $600 per square foot - which is what I'm getting at this place.
Right place, right time, right location (well location isn't totally perfect, but I can live with that ... ).
Just hope those new rules of Fanny Mae don't upturn the process. I guess if a lot of people get caught up in that then you lot can hark on about how places went into contract but didn't close for all of your own distorted reasons.
And I don't think I'll get stung, my attorney will be doing their due diligence on my behalf and, any red flags ... I'll be outa there. And you can be real pleased about that because there'll be another failed condo to rant on about.
Signing off. SG
Posted by: sandgroper at July 14, 2009 8:17 AM
gee, little 36 unit or so Baltic tower had more contracts than the big guys. Maybe because ready to move-in. Or maybe they are cutting prices steeply.
Posted by: Petebklyn at July 14, 2009 9:26 AM
The location of the Baltic Tower is good. But for the price I wasn't convinced by the standard of finishes in the apartments, there's only a central laundry (for me my own washer/dryer is important, although not for all people) and additional amenities including a doorman is always a bonus. Love Boreum Hill, which is also a sure-fire investment. Not surprised these are selling - yes, it's always much better if a building is move-in ready.
Posted by: sandgroper at July 14, 2009 9:39 AM
"less than $600 sq foot" - really. And which apartment is that? I tried that number at 500 4th - they showed me the door. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Posted by: sjtmd at July 14, 2009 3:51 PM
SG-
kudos for fending all by your lonesome. Not knowing enough about the building in question, I will have to speculate (much like everyone else here) and say that it seems better overall than most on 4th ave.
Don't expect anything positive from the self-proclaimed know-it-alls that is Brownstoner's active commenting community. Do expect to be called a shill (as you found out the hard way) or a racist (as I found out the hard way). Good luck with your new place. While I probably don't share your sunny outlook on the NYC real estate from the return on investment perspective (at least in short term), if I were looking to buy today I would give 500 4th ave a very close look.
Posted by: heck_of_a_job_brownie at July 14, 2009 11:10 PM
Thank you for the kind words. :)
I agree with you, there's no short term gain to be made with this investment, but the current market does enable me to own a home that will be a marked improvement on what I currently rent, and it'll only cost me an extra $250 for monthly outgoings (before tax deductions). Not bad I say.
Posted by: sandgroper at July 15, 2009 8:51 AM
"it'll only cost me an extra $250 for monthly outgoings (before tax deductions). Not bad I say."
Not bad if you ignore the effective monthly cost of net loss from depreciation divided by months between purchase and resale (downpayment goes poof!). Forget renting out - those fundamentals are way out of whack. Good luck anyway.
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at July 15, 2009 10:38 AM
Around $70,000 spent on rent over three years has gone 'poof' too. :) Depends how you look at it. Thank you for being nicer than the other people. I appreciate it.
Posted by: sandgroper at July 15, 2009 11:04 AM

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