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June 19, 2009
Open House Picks
Carroll Gardens
396 Sackett Street
Brown Harris Stevens
Sunday 3-5
$2,375,000
GMAP P*Shark
Fort Greene
112 Vanderbilt Avenue
Corcoran
Sunday 3-4:30
$995,000
GMAP P*Shark
South Slope
320 15th Street
Warren Lewis
Sunday 3-4:30
$965,000
GMAP P*Shark
Bedford Stuyvesant
747 Hancock Street
Brown Harris Stevens
Saturday 11-1
$699,000
GMAP P*Shark
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Not sure what's going on with the Bed Stuy place. Floorplan has a kitchen in the top rental unit but no kitchen in the owner's duplex.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 19, 2009 1:14 PM
I like the Corcoran pics of the other houses on Vanderbilt.
Posted by: dittoburg at June 19, 2009 1:17 PM
That's a riot, ditto.
"No, maybe your house won't be the prettiest one on the block but look what you can look at."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 19, 2009 1:20 PM
XXX Mint condition and they show only 3 pictures? Couldn't some one have swept the stairs before the photo? Maybe they are letting new owner choose their own kitchen design. Sacket seems a beaut, though at 2.4 shouldn't there be a powder room on parlor floor.
Posted by: DeLepp at June 19, 2009 1:22 PM
Waddaya think? They have some kind of format that insists on 8 images?
Posted by: Arkady at June 19, 2009 1:23 PM
A mish mash selection of nothing great.
Sackett:
> Currently used as a 2 family home (a lower triplex and a 4th floor-through rental)
And pray tell, how does tenant get to their apt. without going through homeowners lovely triplex?
Posted by: Expert Textpert at June 19, 2009 1:29 PM
Expert...you're right. I looked at a lot of places and never would buy one with the tenat upstairs. They have to be on the garden level with an entrance under the stoop. I want those hallways and staircases all to myself.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 19, 2009 1:35 PM
Re: 15th Street
Only 1.5 baths for nearly $1 million? And the full bath is only accessible through a bedroom?
At almost $900/sf, I don't see the "value of this house" that the listing is crowing about. Pass.
Posted by: NorthHeights at June 19, 2009 1:36 PM
I have always loved that block on Vanderbilt because of the sense of scale and the houses with porches.
Posted by: Schultz at June 19, 2009 1:36 PM
I'm skeptical of that Hancock place. Too many changes and no pictures to show if the changes were done well. If they were, then the price is aggressive.
My gold standard is still that place on Putnam with the white marble and subway tile kitchen and brown marble bath that sold for $699,000 a year ago because the owner had to move to SF.
Posted by: mopar at June 19, 2009 1:37 PM
mopar...i saw that house. It was the night I outed myself as Bold Type Guest. The parlour floor was beautiful but the owner's lower duplex needed a complete reno.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 19, 2009 1:41 PM
Sackett:
Larger bedroom (master) occupants need to go through smaller bedroom to get to bathroom.
Maybe 'Across the Universe' but not in a $2.3M house.
Posted by: Expert Textpert at June 19, 2009 1:43 PM
Yeah... what's wrong with Corcoran with the Vanderbilt photos? 4 of the 8 photos are of OTHER houses. I'm assuming the interior pics are actually of the house for sale... but can't be certain.
I'm so glad that Yolanda and Suzanne are being paid TENS OF THOUSANDS of dollars for their stellar work! Fucking retards.
But I guess you have to be mildly dim to sell your soul and become a realtor.
Posted by: tybur6 at June 19, 2009 1:49 PM
15th Street:
> Lots of house is packed into this very sweet South Slope two story
packed = tiny
Posted by: Expert Textpert at June 19, 2009 1:51 PM
Yeah... the Sackett place. Unless the top floor is ACTUALLY and mother-in-law apartment, it would suck to have a tenant. The whole stairway is public and each floor would need locking doors? Uggh.
Seems like a terrible arrangement for a second unit.
Posted by: tybur6 at June 19, 2009 1:54 PM
"And pray tell, how does tenant get to their apt. without going through homeowners lovely triplex?
Posted by: Expert Textpert at June 19, 2009 1:29 PM"
She came in through the bathroom window.
Posted by: Biff Champion at June 19, 2009 2:11 PM
Thoughts on what the 15th street house should go for?
I think it's cute, but a bit overpriced....
Posted by: gemini10 at June 19, 2009 2:14 PM
When 15th St. was HOTD, I kept looking at the plan trying to see how the bathroom could be moved to where the second bedroom is now and then turn the "study" and former bath into a bedroom. Might not be the best use of space, but it's not really acceptable to have the one full bathroom thru a bedroom for this money. Expensive move, though. Other problem is that the living room seems to function more as a very large foyer -- not great for sitting. (Also, for sure that photo is exaggerating the amount of light you'd ever get in that room! Downside of a lovely porch.)
I think it's an adorable house for what it is. But it's cramped and problematic. Not sure it can get nearly a million.
Posted by: Nomi at June 19, 2009 2:16 PM
i've been keeping an eye on that 15th street house for a while as well, trying to figure out if there's a realistic way to move the bathroom and reconfigure the bedroom situation to make it work. doesn't seem like there is without spending an awful lot of dough.
i can't imagine having kids in this house. either they get the bedroom with the bathroom or they're trooping through your room to pee in the middle of the night. moving to the 'burbs makes more sense than this.
Posted by: funkymonkey at June 19, 2009 2:24 PM
they must be kidding for the house on 15th street. $1,000 psf for a hallway? It's not even 12.5 ft wide.
Posted by: Maly at June 19, 2009 2:30 PM
Saw the 15th Street house and the layout is unfixable, in my humble opinion. Too small for my needs, but that price is out of sight. Even at the height of the market, not the current lows (with Time magazine predicting another -40%) this wouldn't get more than 850. All overpriced!
So what do folks say, is the inventory going to shrink further as the weather finally warms, or are sellers finally going to need to enter the market, with reasonable prices?
Posted by: househunt at June 19, 2009 2:42 PM
There's a crack up in the ceiling
and the kitchen sink is leaking
Posted by: dittoburg at June 19, 2009 2:43 PM
tybur6, I used to have the same meanspirited and condescending attitude (if not such eloquent expression of it) towards realtors. But one of my favorite people in the world turned out to be a realtor: the guy who sold me my house. He's now in grad school for some other field but was proud of his work and did a great job, not least of which included emotional support for me as we went through the insanity of closing our deal -- and, before you give me that crap about "That what they get paid to do" bullshit -- AFTER our deal, when I was faced with the epic scale of my renovation. Gave me so many leads and helpful contacts . . . Anyway, don't project your self -hatred on other people, I don't know what you do but I'm sure it's not saving children in Darfur. There are a lot more vile jobs one can do than helping people find their dream homes. (Horrible experiences with real estate agents notwithstanding!)
As far as that house is concerned, on Vanderbilt, it looks really promising. My only question is, can one change the facade from current Staten Island meets Greenpoint aesthetic to somethign closer to what it might have been originally? Or would LPC be all hard up about preserving it as it is even if it's totally out of character with its own past?
Posted by: iz at June 19, 2009 2:55 PM
I really like the 15th street house but agree it's way too tiny for the price.
re: vanderbilt. I didn't know there was a vanderbilt avenue in greenpoint.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at June 19, 2009 2:56 PM
Dave, I remember they hadn't finished the re-do of the basement floor yet, but it was still miles better than most of the houses I see. My biggest concern would have been whether the last room, the extension, could be insulated sufficiently to make it usable as a bathroom.
But I guess what you're saying is that if the re-do was complete, it would have gone for a lot more. How much would you put it at?
Posted by: mopar at June 19, 2009 2:56 PM
Perfect iz - the green plastic door awning and vinyl siding are Greenpoint de rigueur, and the fir-trees in tubs on concrete with inappropirately colored brick and skinny railings are Staten island chic.
Posted by: dittoburg at June 19, 2009 3:01 PM
newsflash for these sellers - "Rich SUCKERS" are now on the national extinction watch list.
Posted by: more4less at June 19, 2009 3:02 PM
ditto -- yeah, and nothin wrong with any of that, just screws with one's internal GPS when walking down Vanderbilt.
Posted by: iz at June 19, 2009 3:03 PM
IZ -- in fact I do save children in Darfur. OK, maybe not.
My feeling about Realtors is that they do shoddy work on the whole. The only measure of success is if the house is sold. They don't care if you list your property at some ungodly price-point because they're really not working that hard or invested in selling it. They use time to prove the point, not actual effort. I'm glad you had a realtor that did exemplary work. Would you say posting pictures of the wrong property is good work?
Let's take off a generoud 50% of the commission for overhead (their office rent etc.) How much effort is required to justify $22,500. At $300/hr (a decent rate for a lawyer), that's 75 hrs... or almost 2 weeks FULL-TIME.
Three questions: Is the typical Realtor worth $300/hr to market your home? Did they add $45,000 of value to the transaction? Was their effort equivalent to almost 2 weeks full-time?
This is not some sort of communist plea about people making too much money... it's just a call for reality. Sellers should REALLY start questioning what they're paying for. AND demand it! If I'm gonna pay $45,000 for a service, I had better get $45,000 worth of service!!!
Posted by: tybur6 at June 19, 2009 3:13 PM
the house on Vanderbilt is outside the historical district, so I am sure it would be easy to fix any cosmetic issue or even to add a floor. You can't fix the location though. It will always be half a block from the BQE.
I think I am going to suspend my search until September - I am getting irritated with the offerings.
Posted by: Maly at June 19, 2009 3:14 PM
not only, that vanderbilt house is too close to a busy gas station - justifiable nit pick for a $1M house
Posted by: more4less at June 19, 2009 3:19 PM
Thes an excellenet old distintergrating woodframe on vanderbilt right next to the BQE. Someone needs to save it and send it upstate to live out its years.
Posted by: dittoburg at June 19, 2009 3:30 PM
Oops, I meant "bedroom" not "bathroom" in my last post.
Posted by: mopar at June 19, 2009 3:37 PM
i think warren lewis prices are as ridiculous as corcorans. i understand that it's ultimately the homeowner's call as to what the asking price should be, but just about everything on their website is ridiculously overpriced.
Posted by: funkymonkey at June 19, 2009 3:40 PM
It's astonishing that the initial asking price for Vanderbilt was $1,645,000. What were they thinking? The house is 1,600 square feet and 25 minutes from the nearest subway; the owners would be lucky to get 800K.
Posted by: Maly at June 19, 2009 3:47 PM
I did google street view on the vanderbilt house. It seems in very middle of very long block and I don't see no gas station. Actually seemed cute block. And plenty of much more expensive housing can be found closer to BQE than this one. Some of the value/pricing must be in the large lot which would allow larger structure/addition to be built.
Undersized for that lot.
Posted by: Petebklyn at June 19, 2009 3:59 PM
And it's tiny. Vanderbilt, I mean. Compared to condos, I agree, the pricing looks good. But that doesn't make the pricing good.
For 850K I bet it would still be overpriced, but it'd sell.
Where on Hancock is the Hancock house? That looks like a lot of house for the money... for once.
Posted by: Heather at June 19, 2009 3:59 PM
Oh nm. I just noticed the gmap link...
Someday I need to check out that part of Bed-Stuy. So that's Utica A-train?
Posted by: Heather at June 19, 2009 4:01 PM
Not much to look at here. Distinct lack of pix of baths or kitchen on Sackett St. The presentation of these listings is so bad, it makes me think I should open up my own damn RE biz. How hard is it to build a decent website? Do opaque listings really sell houses?
Posted by: FatLenny at June 19, 2009 4:06 PM
PeteBK, the gas station is at corner of vanderbilt and Mrytle. it's not next door close but for $1M (on top of the small sq ft, so so exterior,....), within the explosion range of an accident at the gas station is too close
Posted by: more4less at June 19, 2009 4:09 PM
I didn't realize the Hancock St. house is so far over. It's closer to the Halsey J. Not as desirable, I take back what I said about the price being agressive -- it's OK but it's no great bargain. Heather, the area around the Utica A (Stuyvesant Heights) is really nice.
Posted by: mopar at June 19, 2009 6:05 PM
A thin slice of life
A narrow house so cozy
Singe-file living
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at June 19, 2009 6:07 PM
Sales cannot happen
This is just the beginning
Sayeth Miss Muffet
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at June 19, 2009 6:08 PM
i am deeply diggin' the haikus.
Posted by: funkymonkey at June 19, 2009 8:01 PM
The 15th st house it right opposite a BRAND NEW speed bump.
Drivers love to catch the lights down 15th st.
Get what im saying..................
Double glaze those front windows
Posted by: longtimelistenerr at June 19, 2009 9:51 PM
"They don't care if you list your property at some ungodly price-point because they're really not working that hard or invested in selling it."
What? Whether they are working hard or not, they DO want to sell your place as quickly as possible. An unrealistically high asking price greatly delays a sale. Most agents try to talk sellers out of a crazy high price. When they are not successful, it becomes a very unpleasant situation for all.
Posted by: Nomi at June 20, 2009 1:30 PM
saw the 15th St house a couple of months ago, at the same price. There are a lot of sweet things about the house, but it's just too tiny for a family with 2 kids. If you were possibly willing to blow the entire interior out, relocate the stairs, add a floor, a couple more bathrooms... then perhaps you'd have something liveable. But who wants to do all that when you can find something more inhabitable from the get-go?
Posted by: wishinone at June 21, 2009 5:55 PM
Yes, one kid definitely seems like the limit of comfort in the 15th St. house, and even one is problematic with the bathroom location. I suppose I keep coming back to it because it does have such a friendly feel despite the shortcomings. I even don't mind the living room not being that functional (looks like the den is the real living room). But can't get around the smallness and narrowness.
Posted by: Nomi at June 21, 2009 6:50 PM
one kid works: put his/her bed in the small "study" beyond the bathroom. Use the larger middle room as a den/playroom, so it won't be a problem passing through.
hopefully the kid won't grow to be longer than 7'.
Posted by: cottontop at June 22, 2009 2:09 PM
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