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June 26, 2009

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Police Commish to Put More Minority Officers in Top Posts [NY Times]
R Train Voted the Dirtiest by Straphangers [NY Times]
Federal Dollars for More Police Hires [NY Post]
Man Bites Ear in Greenpoint [NY Post]
Parents Rip Firing of Slope Principal [NY Daily News]
MTA Needs $600M to Keep Going [NY Daily News]
Lady Liberty Stolen from Vox Pop [NY Daily News]
Bushwick Lot Turns Golf Course [NY Daily News]
Public Pools in Brooklyn Now Open [Brooklyn Paper]
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I like the Greenpoint story - man gets ear bitten for insulting someones hometown in Poland.

Posted by: dittoburg at June 26, 2009 9:29 AM

The MTA needing 600 million after giving away the rail yards to Ratner w/o any competitive review leaves me utterly speechless.

Posted by: Schultz at June 26, 2009 9:59 AM

I suppose I would buy this if I actually thought it would be affective in combating the type of poor judgement (on both parties - the officer that was fired upon and the officer who shot him) and institutionalized racism that lead to the death of Officer Edwards and the others that preceded him.

More minority officers in top posts does not necessarily equal fewer race related mistakes on the part of NYPD. People of common racial backgrounds are just as capable of practicing and perpetuating racism against members of their own race! And we have all witnessed it. Is Kelly that naive or does he think the general public is just that gullible?

There must be a major overhaul in how officers are trained: black, white, asian, hispanic . . . engaging in some major sensitivity training along with a shift in how the NYPD approaches and views the citizens of this city or this will happen yet again.

Posted by: malcats at June 26, 2009 10:09 AM

but malcat, don't you think with more minorities in top positions, i.e. the positions that decide what training is going to be done, that there is more chance that what you ask for will get done? Surely its a step in the right direction.

Posted by: dittoburg at June 26, 2009 10:25 AM

I agree, dittoburg. I would also say that officers do get sensitivity training and like every other police officer in the US they get training in how to identify someone who may be about to or is engaged in a criminal act. They must think and act fast.It is impossible for any human being, highly trained or not, to be psychic in a split second. We ask so much of our cops, but they aren't superhuman. Cops have some of the highest rates of suicide and alcoholism- yet people assume the worst of them.

Kelly took the right first steps- I hope it helps.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 26, 2009 10:39 AM

Yes, dittoburg it is a step in the right direction. There is no denying that. However it must be followed up by and supported by other components in order for any plan produce positive results. I just hate this type of headliner impling that this would be a major component in solving the problem that caused the death of Officer Edwards.

To answer your other question, given the current culture of NYPD, I do not think that this move will necessarily create more likelihood that NYC will end up with a population of high ranking officers who serve and engage in decision making without keeping their biases in check.

In the case of the officer killed in Harlem. I believe that he first saw himself as a NYPD officer who had been a victim of a crime and his authority as an officer took offense to that first and foremost - that NYPD culture I mentioned. That state of mind obscured what should have common sense for him as a "minority officer" - a black man, running down the streets of NY with a firearm with no clearly visible sign of being law-enforcement - not a good idea and was a fatal mistake.


Posted by: malcats at June 26, 2009 11:21 AM

malcats- a white man running down the street with a firearm and no id as an officer isn't a good idea either. I could be wrong but my belief is that the officers who shot would have done the same if Officer Edwards were white, running down the street with a firearm. rookies and cops are supposed to follow a specific procedure in situations like this where they are out of uniform. When they don't, tragic mistakes are made.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 26, 2009 12:29 PM

"They must think and act fast.It is impossible for any human being, highly trained or not, to be psychic in a split second."

bg, the problem is that black officers do not shoot white undercovers. White officers do. Therein lies the problem.

Posted by: denton at June 26, 2009 12:31 PM

"I could be wrong but my belief is that the officers who shot would have done the same if Officer Edwards were white, running down the street with a firearm. "

You would be wrong, BG, cuz it's never happened. Black cops always consider the possibilty that an armed white man may be a cop, fed, or permitted civilian, and hold fire. White cops see a black man with a gun as a criminal.

Posted by: denton at June 26, 2009 12:36 PM

denton- sorry- i think you're simplyfying. Anyone running down the street waving a firearm is not first thought of as a cop but as a danger. More so if uniformed officers make their presence known and the person with the firearm does not respond. White cops are not automatically racist, and I think neither of us are really qualified to claim we know what cops are really thinking in situations like this. They're tragic and often preventable but each situation has to be considered on its own. I don't blanket condemn anyone.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 26, 2009 12:55 PM


"Anyone running down the street waving a firearm is not first thought of as a cop but as a danger."

That all depends on who is doing the "thinking."

Posted by: East New York at June 26, 2009 1:12 PM

well coming from the viewpoint of a potential and actual victim I "think" so. Especially after having been mugged by a gang of Black kids who held a gun to the back of my head.

That still doesn't make me cringe every time I see a Black teenager coming toward me or feel uncomfortable. I don't look at Black teenagers as anything other than, well, teenagers. But if I saw one waving a gun and running, my first thought would not be- oh, he's an undercover cop. My first thought would be to get safe and make sure those around me were safe. And if he were white or Asian or American Indian, I'd feel the same way. They're dangers.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 26, 2009 1:31 PM

What about the racism against the white cops who scored higher on the test but won't get the promotion because of racial promotion quotas. Affirmative action is racism to the people it unfairly puts out of a promotion or job and condescending to groups that it's suppossed to help, pure and simple

Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at June 26, 2009 3:14 PM

joe- that's not a discussion I think anyone feels like getting into today. Suffice it to say "racism" is not the correct word to use in this case. While I agree certain aspects of affirmative action may have resulted in some unfairness, those effects are the result of poorly thought out procedures, not malevolence. racism is based in malevolence.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 26, 2009 4:07 PM

I don't think getting denied a promotion compares with getting shot on the street

Posted by: dittoburg at June 26, 2009 4:38 PM

"What about the racism against the white cops who scored higher on the test but won't get the promotion because of racial promotion quotas. Affirmative action is racism to the people it unfairly puts out of a promotion or job and condescending to groups that it's suppossed to help, pure and simple"

Joe, in spite of BG, I'll happily jump right in, because the context is so ironic:

White cops score higher than Black cops on some test, but shoot Black undercovers on the street.

Black cops score lower than white cops on test, but have not yet ever shot a white u/c.


Therefore, as has been said by many, the test is flawed, because it is not related to real, on-the-street police work.

Posted by: denton at June 26, 2009 4:42 PM

Denton- i agree about the irony but you are hardly giving the whole picture of a really complex situation. And I know you know that.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 26, 2009 5:01 PM

Hi All:
Yes Bxgrl and I agree with your comment:

"a white man running down the street with a firearm and no id as an officer isn't a good idea either. I could be wrong but my belief is that the officers who shot would have done the same if Officer Edwards were white"

But it also brings me to say this:

Had those approaching cops had been black, it is my sad, but strong belief that it would have produced the same results, because, while it was not the only factor in Edwards shooting, the issue of racial bias factored into this situation.

But I also believe that if Edwards had been white, he probably would have been fired upon too. However, I would be willing to bet, given the logistics & e circumstances the white officer might have given it a second thought. That split second of hesitation might have saved a life. It was a wicked combination that ended Edwards life. If any one of those things had been different he might still be alive.

People of all races have biases, how we develop them and how they factor into our decision making is very complicated. But knowing this, addressing this, and engaging in the work that keeps it from spinning out of control is what is necessary and important. I do not know that there is a place for that kind of "program" within police work. I would hate to think or even admit this. So, the commissioner had better have a lot more up his sleeve than just promoting more officers of color.

Posted by: malcats at June 27, 2009 8:39 AM

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