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June 4, 2009

City Reneging on Homeless Intake Center Promise?

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It's looking like the city may be backing out of a promise to spread the burden of caring for the city's homeless population by opening a Manhattan-based intake center to complement the one it's dumping on Crown Heights. Here's what DHS Commissioner Robert Hess said last year on the topic:

We've received considerable feedback regarding our plans to move men's intake from its current location at 30th Street in Manhattan to the Bedford Atlantic Armory in Brooklyn, when the current site closes. And based on that input, we have developed a new plan that will allow us to have in place two intake sites - one site in Manhattan, and a second site in Brooklyn at the Bed-Atlantic Armory. We will ensure that there is a new intake site in Manhattan by the time DHS exits 30th Street facility.

The only problem is that the city's 2010 budget does not reflect any plans for a new Manhattan center, suggesting that the Bedford Armory will the single point of entry into the shelter system for the male homeless population in the five boroughs. In addition to being an unfair burden on the community, it also neglects the reality that the majority of homeless men are in Manhattan. To protest this, Council Members Letitia James and Bill De Blasio along with a number of other elected officials and community groups are holding a rally on the steps of City Hall on Sunday at 3 p.m. Meanwhile, some homeless folks are shacking up at a recently developed luxury condo building in the neighborhood. Not too shabby.
Update on the Bedford Armory Homeless Saga [Brownstoner]
Shelter Woes Spread From Crown Heights to Bed Stuy [Brownstoner]
Homeless Intake Center Plan Provokes Broad Opposition [Brownstoner]
Pols Gather to Pan Crown Heights Homeless Plan [Brownstoner]
Crown Heights Rally: Don't Dump On Us! [Brownstoner]




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I've been hearing crown heights accommodation for the homeless has gone upscale.

Posted by: dittoburg at June 4, 2009 9:45 AM

Bloomberg and his administration need to be ashamed of themselves. Anyone attending the CB8 meeting tonight?

Posted by: faithful at June 4, 2009 9:47 AM

People need to wake up to Bloomberg and his highhanded ways.
Stop believing is over-financed hype.
NYC needs new mayor. 8 years is enough.

Posted by: Petebklyn at June 4, 2009 9:51 AM

I urge all concerned citizens to come out for this. If you can't, then contact CHRM and other groups for future protests, and to sign petitions. It doesn't matter if you live in Crown Heights or not. This will affect you.

How the city expects homeless men to make their way to central Brooklyn every day, especially in winter or a night like last night, FOR INTAKE, not a bed, is mind boggling. Intake means they are screened, and then sent elsewhere, or stay at this shelter. Are they supposed to take cabs, or the LIRR to the armory? This is also the worst men's shelter in the city, the place of last, last resort, and there are no plans to do anything to change that, except to shuffle around the cots. Since many homeless men have substance abuse problems, as well as mental and physical illness concerns, why put an intake center in a part of the city that has NO HOSPITALS, NO MEDICAL FACILITIES, anywhere near it, unlike near Bellevue, or other Manhattan locations, where over 60% of the homeless are located.

This is not NIMBY. The Crown Heights community already has 5 times more social service facilities than any other part of Brooklyn. There is already a large shelter right across the street from the armory with an additional couple of hundred beds. What community has 2 men's shelters in the same block? We do our share in taking care of those in need, how about spreading that around to places that do not. It is also a fallacy that we are only taking care of those in our community, so we should have the centers here. That has been statistically proven to be untrue.

This move by the city is a slap in the face to a community that is on the rise. It is a slap in the face of the homeless, and dangerous to them as well. Our community is not going to stand here and let the city do this to us, or to the homeless. Gone are the days when we just shrug to the inevitability of the will of the powerful at City Hall. We are going to fight this to our eventual victory.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at June 4, 2009 9:56 AM

Well said MM!

Posted by: faithful at June 4, 2009 10:01 AM

Luxury condos, now this. Crown Heights "can't catch a break".

Gentrification is reversing. Rewind!

***Bid half off peak comps***

Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at June 4, 2009 10:48 AM

I think that if the homeless are "deserving" of new condos for shelter, then they are certainly worthy of an intake center in this magnificent building.

Posted by: benson at June 4, 2009 10:58 AM

Benson, I agree the armory is a magnificent building. The point is that Crown Heights is carrying the majority of the city's burden, if not all. That's not fair!!! The homeless that will be utilizing this facility on a daily basis will most likely not be John Doe who lost everything due to the ecomony. Granted, some are in this situation due to hard times, but a lot of these men are drug addicts, have mental illnesses, sex offenders and pedophiles. If you do a search for sex offenders living in Brooklyn, there are large number already at the armory. How much more can you ask of a community that already has 5x the number of social service beds than any other community?

Posted by: faithful at June 4, 2009 11:08 AM


Wow...from the "luxury condo" article:

"I'm a hardworking taxpayer, and I don't think homeless people should be living better than me," fumed Desmond John, 35, a window salesman who wanted to rent one of the fancy apartments. "They said it's not for rent. It's a shelter. I was shocked."

Give the developer credit. He figured out a way to pay his mortgage when the economy tanked. Not a big surprise the mayor seems unconcerned with this plan's impact on Crown Heights/Brooklyn.

Posted by: East New York at June 4, 2009 11:09 AM

I am reprinting my comments from the links below on the condos.

I also expect the usual howling here about the homeless getting swanky free apartments. Somehow, the horror and uncertainty of being homeless, especially for a family, is barely mitigated by this occurence. There is no guarantee of permanence, especially from an agency not known for great successes. The people still have a shaky future, trying to now find good jobs, schools for kids, and a way out of being under the thumb of city agencies, and on their own again. Not to mention whatever horrors and circumstances put them here in the first place. Hardly "fair", or "lucky" for them.

For the record, I'm not even sure where East New York Ave is, although I suspect it's on the ENY/CH border, not a place I would think expensive condos would be likely to sell, anyway. $350K is a lot of money in a community with an average income of about $38K/year. I'm sure the developer would rather have the homeless, as filtered through DHS. More money, guaranteed by the city, not the work of the usual landlord/tenant squabbles that would arise with regular renters. In the past, this has turned into a horror story for the homeless, and a cash cow for some unscrupulous landlords. Anyone remember that hotel that used to be downtown, where the Mark Morris Dance Center is? Let's hope that's not repeated, albeit with marble sinks and fancy appliances.

Now I'm outta here until the afternoon. Hope to join this discussion later.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at June 4, 2009 11:21 AM

Montrose, great point. I JUST realized that this is the supposed to be the main intake center, for the whole city. Oh my God it's unbelievable. I could not imagine a more poorly planned idea - it shows no planning really.

Posted by: infinitejester at June 4, 2009 11:25 AM


"For the record, I'm not even sure where East New York Ave is, although I suspect it's on the ENY/CH border, not a place I would think expensive condos would be likely to sell, anyway."

That's where it is MM, on the CH/ENY border, just south of Lincoln Terrace Park.

Posted by: East New York at June 4, 2009 11:28 AM

Its an example of how Bloomberg has repeatedly promoted Manhattan to the detriment of the outer boroughs. The homeless are an affront to him and his plans so let's put them somewhere where we can't see them and we don't have to have our tony friends 'distressed." And because Crown Heights until recently didn't have a strong enough voice (at least by Bloomberg's lights), Bloomberg thinks he can run roughshod over us. Not any more- whatever happens, Crown Heights is standing up for itself.

Does anyone seriously think the homeless men in Manhattan will trek all the way out here? The city will have to set some sort of plan in place- sure to be expensive- to round them up and ship 'em ot to Bedford because most of them will have neither the resources nor the will to make this trip. For most of them Brooklyn is unknown, and unfamiliar. Even homeless people have carved out tiny niches for themselves where they tend to stay on the streets.

Many homeless people are those with mental health problems- and many of them are veterans. They can barely cope- how the hell are they going to cope with getting out here? And then cope with getting out to whatever shelter they are appointed to?

Posted by: bxgrl at June 4, 2009 11:44 AM

"For the record, I'm not even sure where East New York Ave is, although I suspect it's on the ENY/CH border, "

Morris please tell me your joking!

The What

Someday this war is gonna ned..

Posted by: Return of The What at June 4, 2009 11:49 AM

Faithful;

You asked a sincere question, which deserves a reply. I was being somewhat facetious in my post, but there was a point to it.

I take exception to Montrose's post about the new condo being used as a homeless shelter. She is ready to dismiss the complaints of the neighbors(of this condo/now homeless shelter) and the taxpayers (such as I) as the usual "howls" of the cold-hearted. Well, isn't is just great to be hoist on your own petard when it comes to this intake center? Easy to point fingers at others when the issue don't concern your own back yard, isn't it?

Posted by: benson at June 4, 2009 11:57 AM

I agree with bxgrl that the consequence of this will be that many homeless simply will stay on the streets, rather than coming from Manhattan to CH. Thus, the only part of Manhattan that will benefit is the area immediately around the current intake center. Other parts of Manhattan will likely see an increase in the number of rough sleepers.
The administration must somehow be trying to deter the homeless from using the system by this move. I do not believe it is just naivety. But I also can't fathom why they think the move would be beneficial.

Posted by: etson at June 4, 2009 12:04 PM

benson- you are completely wrong. first- the condo is housing homeless families, you know, people with children. Normally families do not live on the streets as a lifestyle Living in the condo building gives them a leg up. Some of these people even have jobs or used to and have now hit financial hard times. Ergo also taxpayers. Maybe you think you have some moral or social superiority here, does it take a marble sink to prove it?

The intake shelter is for single men- not families, and many of them with needs and wants at odds with the community which already is saturated with shelters. Certainly far more than in your neighborhood. And not to mention the huge issue of how much more difficult it will make getting help for the homeless in Manhattan if the intake is here. If you want to take on MM in regards to this issue, address it by all the facts, not snipe at her with faux offended sensibilities and fake points.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 4, 2009 12:22 PM

Oh fuck me!!!! Man read this story!!!!

NYC Turns Luxury Units Into Shelters For Homeless

http://wcbstv.com/local/nyc.homeless.luxury.2.1030856.html

The condos couldn't attract buyers in the current housing market. Now they're filling a need for some of the city's "unprecedented" number of homeless families, according to a report in The Daily News.

The apartments in Crown Heights were supposed to sell for $250,000 to $350,000. The amenities include granite countertops, terraces, marble bathrooms and walk-in closets.

Developer Avi Shriki says he had to come up with a Plan B "when the market went south." He signed a 10-year contract with the Bushwick Economic Development Group to turn the building into a shelter.

Oh that where the get the money to buy 10 million dollar homes in Midwood!!!!

Fuck me! Fuck me! Fuck me! Fuck me! Fuck me! Fuck me! Fuck me! Fuck me! Fuck me!

The city is paying about $2,700 a month for each apartment. The figure also covers social services, including job counseling.

The Department of Homeless Services provides temporary emergency shelter to homeless individuals in a safe environment. There are a variety of ways for the homeless in New York City to receive services. Go to the DHS' website for more. DHS.


ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Game over retards! Going to post this shit all over!!!!

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Someday this war is gonna end...

Team Bullshit where are you???!!!!!

Posted by: Return of The What at June 4, 2009 12:29 PM

Bxgrl;

Please convince the neighbors of this condo about the benefits to society of turning it into a homeless shalter. They are opposed to it, and say so in the Daily News article.

Morally superior? Moi? Was it I who tried to pre-emptively dismiss others' objections to the condo/homeless shalter as just the usual howls of the cold-hearted?

Posted by: benson at June 4, 2009 12:32 PM

benson- do you never read? We're talking getting families off the street. Compare that to what they are trying to do with the Bedford shelter. Tough sh*t for them- they should be in Crown Heights or Bed-stuy where the city tries to stick everything. How about the neighbors here who are run roughshod over? The Bedford shelter houses single men who are drug addicts, sex offenders , mentally ill or just plain down on their luck. Obviously you think its preferable to let a family with kids stay on the street than let them live in a nice place even temporarily.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 4, 2009 12:39 PM

Benson,

The condo/homeless shelter is in our backyard as well.

Although the condo/homeless shelter will be used to house families, it still proves our case that the city is using Crown Heights to remedy the homeless problems in the city.

Once again, Crown Heights has gone above and beyond their fair share; its time to spread the burden.

Posted by: faithful at June 4, 2009 1:43 PM

Just want to point out that the issue with the intake center is not just a Crown Heights/Prospect Heights issue.

It affects Bedford-Stuyvesant as well, particularly the business owners in the newly formed business improvement district along Fulton and Nostrand. The closest subway trains to the armory are the A and C trains on Franklin and Nostrand in Bed-Stuy. So for the vast majority of these men, their first destination will be the streets of Bedford-Stuyvesant.

What's the point of giving business owners the illusion of revitalization and grandeur (which they have to pay for in the form of increased taxes) if they are going to move forward with the intake center? One step forward. Two steps back.

Not to mention that even though the center is technically on the Crown Heights side of the Atlantic, it is still only on the border. And I'm sure that the men know how to walk in both directions.

Yes, Crown Heights has 5 times the average number of social service beds compared to other locales; Bed-Stuy's share is twice the average. Still an exorbitant amount.

Hopefully Bed-Stuy will begin to mobilize just as thoroughly as Crown Heights has to fight this plan.

Posted by: Wont UB My Nabor at June 4, 2009 1:55 PM

Brownstoner:

Now here's a building that can be converted to residential, educational, cultural, and recreational uses. Crown Heights/Bedford Stuyvesant residents, put together a plan and shop it around!

Check out the Grant Square elevations: they already look residential. (There's an old hospital on upper Central Park West, converted to condominiums, that looks very much like this.)

That great big hall? Turn it into a combination school and community facility.

If need be, hollow out some part of the building and go taller if you want extra space and density (a trade-off you may be willing to make).

Bet there are some charter schools out there looking for digs; and maybe some federal "stimulus" money for planning and capital costs.

As for the intake center, I still say the Police Academy on East 21st Street is the place to go. The City just announced the start of its new academy in Queens, leaving this big, centrally-located, convenient-to-Bellevue facility available in the next few years. (And won't its Gramercy Park neighbors be only too delighted to assume their fair share of social services?)

Attack the City on two fronts by gathering community support and potential funding sources for an alternative scheme and by identifying other logical sites for the center (to make City Councilmen squawk, not just your own!).

Nostalgic on Park Avenue

Posted by: NOP at June 4, 2009 2:27 PM

The What sounds pretty horny today. Be careful out there folks.

Posted by: Petebklyn at June 4, 2009 2:28 PM

"The What sounds pretty horny today. Be careful out there folks. "

Raging Hard-ON!!!!!!

The What (Please bend over, this wont hurt me at all..)

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at June 4, 2009 2:31 PM

Not trying to rile anyone up, but Manhattan has provided the lion's share of services for the homeless and underhoused (that's for you Rob), as well as SROs, intake, hospitals, rehabs, etc. Hypervigilent UES nimby's have managed to ensure that most of this happens on the west side, with the result that after almost 25 years of unrelenting gentrication have barely had an impact in certain areas, such as Amsterdam Avenue. Over time, the neighborhood has reblended and considering the wealth disparity we get along pretty well. I'd even venture to say, cautiously, that it's finally become a place again where people know and look out for each other and not just themselves.


Posted by: bridges at June 4, 2009 4:28 PM

"almost 25 years of unrelenting gentrication have barely had an impact in certain areas, such as Amsterdam Avenue."

Huh?? Most of it is pretty gentrified now. I go to Church on the UWS with a lot of older folks who tell horror stories about how bad it was 20+ years ago.

Posted by: etson at June 4, 2009 4:34 PM

"why put an intake center in a part of the city that has NO HOSPITALS, NO MEDICAL FACILITIES, anywhere near it"?
MM - you really need to ask why? out of sight out of mind.

And BTW, that condo turned into shelter has got to be 2 miles or so from here. On edge of Brownsville....hardly what most of us think as Crown Hts. I wonder if you followed the money - from developer/owner of the failed condo into politcal circles what you might find.

Posted by: Petebklyn at June 4, 2009 4:35 PM

The "most homeless live in Manhattan" argument is hilarious! How can a homeless person claim one borough as a residence when homeless people, by defition, are without a residence? What will happen is that DHS and other social service agencies will give homeless individuals one-way metrocards to the new intake center and, in one fell swoop, all of the former Manhattan "residents" will become Brooklyn "residents". Really, I'm surprised at the naivete of many on this board. Did you really expect your sparsely-attended rallies to stop this? Get real.

Posted by: Big Jugs at June 4, 2009 9:15 PM

Those are the statistics, big jugs. And they do "live" there albeit on the streets. There is a lot more going on than just "sparsely attended" rallies, but you wouldn't be bothered to know that. Or do anything to help either.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 4, 2009 9:33 PM

I don't mind if the intake center comes to the armory. And I stand by my point that your efforts will be successful at blocking this.

Posted by: Big Jugs at June 5, 2009 8:02 AM

Petebklyn, Interfaith Medical Center and Brooklyn Hospital are short ambulance rides away from the soon-to-be new intake center.

Posted by: Big Jugs at June 5, 2009 8:05 AM

Hi Big Jugs!

I think you are partially right - the City's plan will relocate a significant part of NYC's chronically homeless population to Crown Heights, Prospect Heights, Clinton Hill and Bed-Stuy (for those wondering about the selection of neighborhoods, check out where Bedford-Atlantic sits on a map). This is why the community is freaking out. However, an equally significant portion of the population will remain on the streets of Manhattan, where the facilities they utilize, their existing networks and opportunities for work and panhandling will remain. This is why the homeless advocates are freaking out. The combination of these two effects is why people are maintaining that this plan is very bad.

Curious though - you sound like you think this plan is a reasonable idea. Do you feel that this is a fair and reasonable treatment of the community around the Armory? Or do you just not care? Just curious on how you came to your opinion on this... thanks.

Posted by: Dr Dean Franklin at June 5, 2009 8:34 AM

Yes, Etson, that's true, it was bad. Over time though the shooting galleries were brought and renovated and shootings on Columbus and 87th between warring dealers subsideded and eventually stopped. The "poor" remain, for a number of reasons, as do SROS blah blah that I listed before. Despite best efforts to turn the area into a rich-only enclave it has turned evolved, quite inadvertently, into a mixed income neighborhood. Compare Amsterdam to Columbus below 96th street and my point will be clearer.

Outreach to homeless by religious groups has been banned, basically. And the city is shifting away from its traditional liberal support systems for the homeless by making access more difficult. Attrition. I remember the days when vagrants were put on a bus with a 1-way ticket to NY because we had the services. What's currently happening is IMO a passive-agressive way to bring that era to an end.

Posted by: bridges at June 5, 2009 10:02 AM

Dr. Franklin, he doesn't care. I don't know how many times and how many ways we have to tell the world that Crown Heights is oversaturated for social services. Just last night, CB8's land use committee heard a request from the Peter Young shelter across the street from the Armory asking that their building be approved for a 75-100 bed live-in drug treatment program. in a five block radius from Grant Square we have the Armory shelter, Peter Young, and another live in program on Bergen near Bedford. Expand the radius and more programs emerge. What other community has 3 large social service entities in that small a space? We have 6 times the saturation of social services, 6 times! Any other community would have long ago put their foot down, and we are making our line in the sand now.

Oh, Big Jugs, if you are in the intake center near Bellevue, help can be gotten quickly. THat's far different than being at the Armory, and calling an ambulance to be trucked to Interfaith or somewhere else. Crown Heights has no hospitals at all within its borders. Interfaith in Bed Stuy is the only hospital in Bed Stuy, and is over saturated itself. This is not the place for the city's sole intake center, and it will NOT happen.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at June 5, 2009 10:33 AM


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Posted by: bridges at June 5, 2009 11:01 AM

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