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May 28, 2009

Whole Foods Rumor Bites the Dust

whole%20foods%20no.jpg The Local dispels the rumor started by the developer of the 365-unit rental at 470 Vanderbilt Avenue that Whole Foods was under consideration for the site: "'There’s “nothing in the works here right now,' said Mara Engel Wedeck, contact for the Northeast region for the behemoth healthy foods chain." Oh well.




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Isn't this the same company that had the great idea to build an overpriced grocery store on a superfund site?

Posted by: dirty_hipster at May 28, 2009 10:49 AM

Trader Joe's was able to open a store in Bklyn. I can't understand what is taking Whole Foods so long to open here. I love the store but am not shopping there anymore.

Posted by: ebklyn at May 28, 2009 10:59 AM

"under consideration" being the operative phrase - like Apple Stores, developers are always considering Whole Foods, and happy to float the (usually false) idea that there is an actual dialog going on with said retailers or any real hope the one of these upscale retailers are going to sign on to a project that is years away from realization.

Posted by: WBer at May 28, 2009 10:59 AM

things developers like to promise to would be buying yuppies:

1.) whole foods
2.) apple stores
3.) uhhh, im drawing a blank

but you get the jist.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at May 28, 2009 11:02 AM

I was pretty surprised when the developer said whole foods so clearly. The best way to queer a deal is to talk about it before its signed. Normally the best way to say it is
"we are in a discussion with a major food retailer but for competitive reasons until the deal is signed we can't say who it is".....which means one of two things. yes we are close to a deal or I am lying through me teeth....

Posted by: smeyer418 at May 28, 2009 11:13 AM

i still cant believe people shop at "whole paycheck". i love that term.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at May 28, 2009 11:14 AM

There are too many poor people i.e., brown people in BK for Whole Foods. The population in BK isn't rich enough and Whole Food demands a large income per captia.

Who needs them anyway when you have Fairway. Which is much better.

Posted by: grip100692 at May 28, 2009 11:31 AM

YES! Fairway >>>>>>>>>>> Whole ripoff by a landslide. hells give me a damn Associated anyday over whole paycheck.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at May 28, 2009 11:36 AM

rob, why are you so bitter and unhappy? being old is not good enough for me...

Posted by: randolph at May 28, 2009 11:59 AM


"whole paycheck"

Never heard that one....not bad.

Posted by: East New York at May 28, 2009 12:10 PM

Eh Whole Foods - shopping at the one in union square makes me want to roundhouse kick numerous people chuck norris style.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at May 28, 2009 12:16 PM

im not bitter randolph (well maybe a little) i just get irked by people who cream their panties over such lame stuff, that's all.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at May 28, 2009 12:20 PM

People like whole foods because the fruits and vegetables aren't half rotted and/or wrapped up in cellophane, their fish looks like it came from something that swam in the ocean in the recent past, and their meats do not look like the better half of an animal whose remainder is in a can of dogfood somewhere.

That said, I can't stand the check out lines in Whole Foods and avoid it like the plague.

Posted by: northsloperenter at May 28, 2009 12:39 PM

Northsloperenter, the long lines at Whole Foods actually move faster than almost any other grocery I've been to

Posted by: GHB at May 28, 2009 1:21 PM

Grip - not enough rich people in Brooklyn? Really?

Posted by: Putnamdenizen at May 28, 2009 1:30 PM

And Grip - race baiting much?

Posted by: Putnamdenizen at May 28, 2009 1:30 PM

Better produce can be obtained from your local farmers market - and better meat/fish can be obtained from your local butcher.

Whole Foods is blah.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at May 28, 2009 1:42 PM

"the long lines at Whole Foods actually move faster than almost any other grocery I've been to"

Not as fast as the self-checkout lines, which is what I use 90% of the time at Key Foods.

FWIW, I am one of the absolutely least tolerant people I have ever known when it comes to waiting in line. I hate waiting in line to give someone my money and lose patience after about 9 seconds.

Still, I will put up with it for good fish, although I'd rather go to Citorella or somewhere that will sell me good fish without pissing me off.

Posted by: northsloperenter at May 28, 2009 1:46 PM

"Better produce can be obtained from your local farmers market - and better meat/fish can be obtained from your local butcher."

Local farmers market = 1 day a week
Local butcher = nonexistent

I suppose if you have a car, things might be different.

Posted by: northsloperenter at May 28, 2009 1:47 PM

There's really no butchers in the slope?

and if you're shopping at whole foods - there's a 50% chance that it's the union square one. isn't the union square market everyday?

Posted by: dirty_hipster at May 28, 2009 2:05 PM

There are no butchers in the north slope. Slope is a big place... I rarely get south of the named streets.

I use to shop at Union Square whole foods when I lived around there.

The Union Square Farmers Market is great, but it isn't everyday (4 days a week, I think), and, since it is a local farmers market, their produce *is* seasonal.

You can't actually buy asparagus there year round. Also, the fish place usually sells out of good stuff fairly early in the day, so stopping by after work isn't a great option.

Of course, now that I don't live around there, it isn't really an option at all :(.

I can go to the Grand Army market on Saturdays, which is fine. And there is a small market at 5th ave and 4th street on summer sunday's which isn't bad at all.

I tend to end up in Union Market on 6th/Union when looking for decent product or fish, but it is depressing how often they try to sell nearly rotting green bell peppers for $2.99/lb.

Posted by: northsloperenter at May 28, 2009 2:16 PM

Gotcha NSR - wasn't privy to the particulars re: union sq mrkt

It just bothers me when people think Whole Foods is the savior for decent groceries/produce in Brooklyn. There is NO reason whatsoever why normal grocery stores (key foods et all) cannot stock decent stuff. And I don't mean all this organic fifi crap that everyone seems to love nowadays.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at May 28, 2009 2:22 PM

Hey rob, when was the last time you ate a vegetable?

Posted by: king of the burg at May 28, 2009 2:41 PM

"There is NO reason whatsoever why normal grocery stores (key foods et all) cannot stock decent stuff."

Agreed, but they don't.

Which is why people get excited about a Whole Foods and not an Associated or Key Foods. Don't even get me started about Key Foods and their habit of wrapping up fresh vegetables in styrofoam and cellophane...

Posted by: northsloperenter at May 28, 2009 2:45 PM

DH--

There are three grocery stores near me in Clinton Hill and they all suck--it's much more than stocking good stuff. Anything that's not canned or otherwise hermetically sealed risks tasting like vegetables gone bad mixed with pine cleaner. These stores are not well-managed, period.

I don't think Whole Foods is the savior, but their fresh food is high quality,with lots of organic choices. I like the original WF on Seventh Ave--not nearly the mob scene of Union Square the other larger stores, and since it's smaller it's much easier to navigate.

Posted by: tinarina at May 28, 2009 2:50 PM

quote:

Hey rob, when was the last time you ate a vegetable?


why dont you go ask your mom. and the answer to that is three days ago!


*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at May 28, 2009 3:01 PM

holy crap it just occurred to me that when i lived in chelsea years ago i shopped at that whole foods on 7th. it never occurred to me it was a whole foods. (but only shopped there for bread) and when i was cooking dinner for a special occassion. otherwise just went to associated on 14th street. then balduccis opened up on 8th. (lol i used to go there with little zip lock bags and fill them up with spices) ahhaha)

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at May 28, 2009 3:03 PM

How would my mom know when the last time you ate a vegetable was? did I say something that irked you for a reason you can't explain?

Posted by: king of the burg at May 28, 2009 3:10 PM

Fair enough folks. Can't say that I disagree.

The last question I'll pose (which is getting a bit off topic) - why is everyone in NYC so cool with Whole Foods and so anti wal-mart? They are both suburban staples, and I have heard just as many horror stories about how whole foods treats their employees as wal-mart.

I would love to be able to buy some deodorant for under 5 bucks just as much as i would like some fresh produce.

that said - i'm not anti anything, if a WF opened near my apt i'd more then likely frequent it.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at May 28, 2009 3:16 PM

the answer is super simple dipster. most nyc'ers are fake and hypocritical and like to pretend they are better than the rest of the country.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at May 28, 2009 3:21 PM

"the answer is super simple dipster. most nyc'ers are fake and hypocritical and like to pretend they are better than the rest of the country."

I'm hoping that's not the reason Rob, but that's the impression I get.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at May 28, 2009 3:27 PM

I don't particularly care if a Wal-mart opens in the city, but I won't shop there because they check everyone's receipt as you leave the store.

I'm just not there with that whole "let's treat all of our customers like they are criminals" thing.

As for Whole Foods v. Wal-mart...

Whole Foods sells high end stuff at moderate to high prices
Wal-mart sells cheap crap cheaply

Wal-mart is useful but not exciting. It's basically a big Target, and I live a few blocks from Target and can't say it does much for me. Is it useful? Sure. But exciting... no.

Posted by: northsloperenter at May 28, 2009 3:29 PM


"I'm just not there with that whole "let's treat all of our customers like they are criminals" thing."

This is done at Home Depot, too. FYI, it's as much about employees, and preventing "shortage," as customers. They're looking to prevent "inside jobs." Not saying it's right or wrong, but doesn't normally bother me.

Posted by: East New York at May 28, 2009 3:36 PM

Yeah - best buy does that too. i feel that's common place for larger stores with items that CAN be expensive (wal mart sells tvs, electronics etc)

I hear that "putting mom and pop stores out of business" mumbo jumbo re: wal-mart. come on, so I'm supposed to pay twice the amount for deodorant, toilet paper, soap, etc at a bodega to support local business, and then buy my groceries at WF? it just seems so fashionable to hate on wal-mart.

**the above rant was not directed at any previous commenters**

Posted by: dirty_hipster at May 28, 2009 3:44 PM

The strongest voice against Wal-Mart a few years back was the union that represents grocery employees; at the time, Wal-Mart paid employees particularly badly (and would likely force some NYC grocery stores out of business if they moved in). Whole Foods isn't perfect but has a much better record regarding employee pay and benefits.

If Wal-Mart ever came here and was its regular mega-size, I'd think they would have to go somewhere on the fringes where they could have a giant store and parking lot. I'm sure it would be popular, but would hardly be a neighborhood retailer.

DH, buy your deoderant at Duane Reade!

Posted by: tinarina at May 28, 2009 4:26 PM

Hrm... since the 4th ave location didn't work out for them, 470 Vanderbilt does seem like a reasonable alternative, actually. It's got the same proximity to the slope (roughly) and major traffic arteries -- minus the brownfield issues.

Posted by: Heather at May 28, 2009 5:16 PM

DH - I realize I'm a bit late here, but "Whole Foods good" vs. "Wal-Mart bad" is almost entirely a class issue of the "Bobos in Paradise" variety.

Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at May 28, 2009 7:26 PM

Brownstoners:

Please read this:

http://fort-greene.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/28/about-whole-foods/

Thanks,

Andy Newman
The Local

Posted by: andynewman at May 28, 2009 7:58 PM

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