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April 17, 2009
Open House Picks
South Slope
302 15th Street
Betancourt
Sunday 12-2
$1,275,000
GMAP P*Shark
Victorian Flatbush
2102 Kenmore Terrace
Brown Harris Stevens
Sunday 2-3:30
$950,000
GMAP P*Shark
Wallabout
48 Cumberland Street
Corcoran
Sunday 3-4
$899,000
GMAP P*Shark
Stuyvesant Heights
411A Stuyvesant Avenue
Lifestyle Realty
Saturday 2-4
$725,000
GMAP P*Shark
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South Slope house: Is that a pillow case affixed to the light fixture???
Cumberland Street: How is it that there are 3 floors but only 1.5 bedrooms?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at April 17, 2009 1:30 PM
Ah, he meant to say 1.5 baths. Not enough for 899k
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at April 17, 2009 1:31 PM
the kenmore terrace house has great living space. it actually looks comfortable and not claustrophobic like brownstones tend to do.
Posted by: wine lover at April 17, 2009 1:32 PM
"Best offer will be accepted" on the Stuy house?
I'd guess it goes for $600-ish, then. $725 is too high for a three-story on the avenue across from those ugly apartments.
I do like me some limestones, though.
Posted by: cwbuecheler at April 17, 2009 1:43 PM
What is Wallabout? Insertsnappy, I had same reaction to the south slope house light fixture. I think it may be flourescent and they're trying to soften it? Whatever it is, they should have staged differently for the pix - looks bad. Kenmore house has some cool rooms though the kitchen looks circa 1950 (and not in the way I like) and I find that patio a bummer. What's that area like?
Posted by: Miss Muffett at April 17, 2009 2:04 PM
""Best offer will be accepted" on the Stuy house?"
It's actually best offer "well be accepted" in the ad :-).
Isn't this across from the limestone mansions at the Fulton end of Stuyvesant Ave - right across from the triangular green space?
Posted by: FlatbushMan23 at April 17, 2009 2:07 PM
Yes you are right, flatbushman23, its in a beautiful location. Saw it a few weeks ago... a little dark on the inside. Also, very small yard. But super close to express stop of A train. The home next door is for sale as well, haven't seen that. They are asking 1.2 mil.
Posted by: CHAOCDweller at April 17, 2009 2:11 PM
Oh that South Slope house is nice and has parking! - yipppeee
bet it goes fast - love the south slope!
I think that's a skylight above in the bedroom pic,not a flourescent light where the sheet is -maybe to block the sunlight???
Kenmore house is realllllly pretty
um - I have never heard of Wallabout?
Posted by: gemini10 at April 17, 2009 2:24 PM
That block is about as nice as it gets in Bed Stuy. No, that's not the one directly next to the park, corcoran has that listing.
This must be new becasuse I walk by there twice a day and there's no sign.
I wish there were interior pics but this is worth seeing on Sunday. Too bad I'm out of town
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 17, 2009 2:28 PM
Guess I misunderstood which corner it was on. I think I'm thinking of one corner over on Malcolm X.
Posted by: cwbuecheler at April 17, 2009 2:32 PM
Ok, see that house to the left of 302 15th Street? My very first house!
Here's what I know...It's brick facade over some kind of stone facade (I don't remember them pulling it down, but I could be totally wrong) over wood frame. A fireman named Blaise (yes, pronounced "Blaze") owned it for many years and sold it in the early 2000's for low $600's. It was a flip and they resold it in the $800's.
Nice block. Some of my wonderful ex neighbors are still there.
Posted by: rh at April 17, 2009 2:34 PM
The Bed Stuy limestone is the one next to the park - I noticed the sign in the window this morning. I'll be taking a look this weekend.
Posted by: jellystew at April 17, 2009 2:52 PM
DIBS - i think that is the same house corcoran had b/c it was right next to the 4 story, in the picture, which is for sale for 1.2M. maybe coco was not moving it at that 899k price. it's a nice block and great location. i hope it goes for 725k.
Posted by: bkny at April 17, 2009 3:04 PM
cwb - that house is not a true 3 story. there is only a parlor (where you enter) and a 2nd floor. the ground floor is sub street level and does not have full windows, so it is more of an English Basement. based on that the price is high but i would still love to see it sell in the 700's.
Posted by: bkny at April 17, 2009 3:06 PM
Wallabout is adjacent to Clinton Hill but north, closer to the water...
Posted by: wasder at April 17, 2009 3:07 PM
that is prime wallabout. prime.
Posted by: z at April 17, 2009 3:07 PM
I feel like when we talk about wallabout
we are speaking about something Australian - Wallabout just sounds bizarre to me!
Posted by: gemini10 at April 17, 2009 3:09 PM
Wallabout is that part of Fort Greene/Clinton Hill near the Navy Yard, north of Myrtle Ave. This particular house has every bit of period charm washed out of it. Bleh.
Stuyvesant House looks interesting. Great block. Too bad no interior shots.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at April 17, 2009 3:10 PM
gemini--that would be walkabout in OZ!
Wallabout has some decent blocks but boy is it far from train transport!
Posted by: wasder at April 17, 2009 3:10 PM
Well I guess Wallabout is north of both Fort Greene and Clinton Hill seeing how this house is on Cumberland. A haul from transportation none the less, and unfortunately close to the BQE overpass.
Posted by: wasder at April 17, 2009 3:12 PM
right - am mixing up Wallabees and walkabouts
Posted by: gemini10 at April 17, 2009 3:14 PM
I'm mildly surprised the wallabout house isn't being listed as "East DUMBO" :P
Posted by: cwbuecheler at April 17, 2009 3:24 PM
Found this on streeteasy for the Stuyvesant House. I thought I'd seen the interiors somewhere. Was listed with Corcoran.
http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/346380-multi-411a-stuyvesant-avenue-bedford-stuyvesant-brooklyn
StreetEasy History:
09/05/2008 -- Listed in StreetEasy by Corcoran at $899,000
12/28/2008 -- Delisted temporarily.
01/04/2009 -- Re-listed by Corcoran.
01/04/2009 --Price decreased by 3% to $875,000.
02/18/2009 -- price decreased by 9% to $799,000.
04/03/2009 -- Listing is no longer available.
Posted by: stylshgal at April 17, 2009 3:26 PM
Ah, so it is the old Corcoran listing. It's right across the street from Fulton Park then.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 17, 2009 3:30 PM
"Wallabout" is realtor marketing baloney.
Sure, I know, "Wallabout Bay" and "Wallabout Market", but that was much further east than this house, and using 'Wallabout' as a moniker for this neighborhood has only occurred in the last few years (unless you go way back). This is fort greene, although most neighborhood maps put the border of fort greene at Park Ave, and this house is on the other side.
They say 'Wallabout' because they don't want you to think "Across from the Walt Whitman houses", or "under the BQE".
Posted by: streber at April 17, 2009 3:33 PM
I think Walt Whitman wrote a bit about Wallabout. The New Yorker said that he grew up on Ryerson St. His mother was a property developer in the neighborhood.
Posted by: bessie2 at April 17, 2009 3:38 PM
streber: Doesn't look like realtor is the one using Wallabout. Listing on their site clealy says Ft. Greene.
But don't get too worked up over that kinda thing.
Posted by: Petebklyn at April 17, 2009 3:40 PM
I'm not sure I'm loving the two-tone cabinetry in the Kenmore House.... I think I would have preferred the blue as a paint color on the walls somewhere. I like the color, but the two different cabinet colors are a little jarring to my eye... Would not be a deal breaker, though. Just saying. Like the backsplash and the ceiling...
Posted by: Architerrorist at April 17, 2009 3:44 PM
The Stuyvesant Heights house is on a great Landmark block across from the park trains etc. This is a very good location close to everything. The house seemed very deep when I went inside and still had some turn of the century charm. Anyway I will be giving the Bedford Stuyvesant "walking tour" this weekend at 2pm. I will meet everyone in front of the Old Girls High school and it will end near this Stuyvesant Heights house. Hope to see everyone there any questions e-mail me at savebedstuy@gmail.com
Posted by: Amzi Hill at April 17, 2009 3:57 PM
Awesome, Amzi. I'll see you at the walking tour. That's on SUNDAY at 2 pm, right? And I'll check out the open house.
Posted by: mopar at April 17, 2009 6:05 PM
The Corcoran listing is 411 Stuyvesant, the building on the corner and it's got an asking price of $1.2M. This is 411A Stuyvesant. The Corcoran listing is a 4-story and this is 3-story.
The block is beautiful - if I didn't already live a couple blocks from there I would want to buy this one. The location could not be better - across the street from the park and 30 seconds walk to the A train. I am so jealous of whoever buys this house.
Considering that similar sized houses on Stuvyesant Ave a few blocks up were going for well over $800K a couple years ago, this could be a very good price since prices in the area have held pretty decently (there's been a 12 month 5.7% average sales price decline in Bed Stuy verusus a 6.9% average drop for all of Brooklyn).
The final verdict really depends on the condition of the house and the interiors though. I will be stopping by to check it out for sure.
Posted by: stuyvesantheights at April 17, 2009 6:38 PM
a long debut post...
hi everyone. i'm cautiously looking to buy in bed stuy right. i'm still at an early stage and to be honest haven't yet got a proper sense of comparative prices. a few observations however having inspected the stuyvesant property a short while back...
the location indeed is good, across from the park, although personally for me it is a bit too close to fulton.
the house itself is not renovated...i think that is rather misleading. its basic, but does have a charm. the overriding problem for me however is that there is no back yard and it backs almost right onto the neighboring property, so I found it rather dark and gloomy...bordering on depressing. i guess for the right price you could put in some $ and do some creative work with skylights etc, but personally I think there are better properties around with better 'bones'.
for what it is worth, trulia and the press (read bkln heights courier article today) are quoting 25% price drop in the area in the last quarter!, so i guess form its original asking price of around 900k that would put it in the high 600ks.
its so hard to know the price of things right now. a lot of the reported results are from houses signed in dec and jan. even since then there has been huge movement and changes in perceptions. agents are still listing things very high, but i really don't see the point. having been to a dozen or some open homes and more often than not being the only one there other than nosey neighbors i personally don't feel any urgency at all to move quickly. i even had an agent admit to me the other day about a rather nice home (larger, renovated, orginal detail and with full yard, good block) which has already had a price drop of 200k, that even since the price drop he had not had a single offer in two months, let alone a low ball offer. when i do find a place that i'm fully happy with, to be candid, i will negotiate very hard and can honeslty say i will be totally relaxed about walking away if the sellers don't move. to be frank there are so many options right now for me as a buyer and i don't see the risk of major u-turn quickly that would compel me to do otherwise.
it will be good all round when the true comparables start to come out as that will in fact make buyers like me more comfortable in making decisions to start making offers and in turn from sellers' perspective perhaps the market will start ticking over a bit.
thanks btw to everyone who posts here. from a potential buyers perspective i do find all the debates very helpful. so appreciated guys. no offense to any one though, i would be curious to hear the views of more serious potential buyers not just existing owners...
cheers everyone.
Posted by: lookingforabrownstone at April 17, 2009 7:15 PM
"Best offer well be accepted" - Stuy High Listing
Yeah rrright. Not if it's "only" $362,500. Agent on Craig's List? Speaks.
The world is yours, looking... Don't fall for the myth that the market will all of a sudden turn around and you'll miss out. That's never happened in a true real estate collapse like this one (Name one, naysayers. Wait, there is none.). Prices nosedive and stay flat for years. Just follow the NY Case-Shiller Home Price Index (indirectly correlated to brownstone prices - i.e. up 200%, triple, trough to peak). Where that goes, Bed Stuy will follow. It will have stabilized within a year or less after the monthly change from previous year gets a positive sign (YOY crosses zero). From there until years later, flatline.
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at April 17, 2009 7:42 PM
lookingforabrownstone
Take your time and look, but an advise form a prospect buyer in myself. If you happen to run into a special house (which you would know once you see it), you better act quickly because buyers like yourself looking for a Landmarked Brownstone, with details and not much work to be done are out there in the Dozens. The best way to buy in the area is to walk around the blocks that you like and speak to the neighbors. Ask them if they know of someone that is selling and they will point the way. Negotiate with the owner, but dont try to pull a fast one or they will call your bluff, especially if you're white. Most owners of the special houses in the area are African American that their house is already payed off and trust me they are not in a rush to sale.
Good Luck!!!!
Posted by: Crooklyn at April 17, 2009 8:57 PM
My impression is houses in Bed Stuy are selling between $350,000 and $600,000 right now. That's for the ones that have plumbing. But the list prices are much higher.
Posted by: mopar at April 17, 2009 11:28 PM
As has been stated many times on this site, Bedford Stuyvesant is a relatively large "area"--I'd be hesitant to apply the "% price drop of the area" reported by Trulia and others to any serious analysis of a particular property in this neighborhood.
Recent sales in closer proximity to the property might be more helpful. March, 2009 sales in the general vicinity of the Stuyvesant Heights/Bedford Corners blocks clustered around the Fulton corridor: 271 Madison (3200sf, 3 Family) sold 3/5/2009 for 850K. 165A Stuyvesant Avenue (252sf, 2 Family) sold 3/19/2009 for 740K. 335 Macon Street (3000sf, 3 Family) sold 3/5/2009 for $781,000. $265/sf, $293/sf and $260/sf respectively. 411 Stuyvesant is in a more desirable location than any of these properties. Using the average $/sf of these three very recent sales, $272/sf, the comparable sales price of 411 Stuyvesant should be at least $663K.
Posted by: housebywe at April 18, 2009 11:45 AM
the ghetto is the ghetto...
Posted by: cornerbodega at April 18, 2009 12:13 PM

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