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April 23, 2009
House of the Day: 1265 Dean Street
What's a beautiful house in Crown Heights North worth these days? We have no idea, but this listing at 1265 Dean Street should help provide a data point. The four-story Romanesque Revival house is dripping with original detail, including some serious wood paneling, and is located on "one of the loveliest blocks in all of Brooklyn," according to the Landmarks Preservation Commission. The corner location means lots of light but, on the downside, it also means higher taxes. The asking price is $925,000. Any guesses?
1265 Dean Street [Corcoran] GMAP P*Shark
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great location. great looking house. garage. big sq ft
issue is I suspect there's a lot of work is needed - kitchen, baths, ..... makes this requiring an attractive price to get it sold
Posted by: more4less at April 23, 2009 1:21 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a house exterior as beautiful as this. Wow.
So few windows on the side despite being semi-detached. Is that standard?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at April 23, 2009 1:21 PM
looks potentially terrific, but the reference to an unfinished renovation is a little ominous. if a lot of work remains to be done, that will have to be reflected in the price.
Posted by: z at April 23, 2009 1:23 PM
This place is spectacular. Wish there were pics of baths and kitchen. This place has been for sale for quite some time...don't know what the problem is...its certainly NOT the RE taxes at under $2,000.
This is $204 psf...does it get any lower than that?????
My only gripe is no ensuite master bath, as usual. But easily remedied.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 1:23 PM
First one of these where I have felt like putting in close to the asking price. It's beautiful.
Question for someone with local knowledge - what is the large building to the right of the house in the first photo?
Posted by: etson at April 23, 2009 1:30 PM
That's a might fine looking house. But the phrase "dripping with details" always kinda grosses me out.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at April 23, 2009 1:30 PM
beautiful place. looks like all the woodwork has been stripped. And the light must be incredible. Montrose, is this block landmarked? The walk across Atlantic from the train late night would suck, that's the only downside I see.
Posted by: Frederick Law Homestead at April 23, 2009 1:31 PM
the listing says annual taxes $1700+;;;;
so if that's the case - I'm moving to a corner house.
Posted by: Petebklyn at April 23, 2009 1:32 PM
wtf is ensuite master bath? beautiful house tho
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at April 23, 2009 1:32 PM
This is an amazing house! The reference though to a "renovation begun in 2001" seems ominous though. Might that be problematic for a lender?
As someone who does not know that area well, I would be worried about the effects of foreclosures and further price drops. Don't know if those worries are justified, but that might explain the lack of interest at that price.
Posted by: BrooklynButler at April 23, 2009 1:33 PM
DIBS: if one has no children - all baths are ensuite.
Posted by: Petebklyn at April 23, 2009 1:33 PM
that's a great looking house for the money.
Only thing that I wish it had would be a garage and a bathroom on the parlor floor.
What's the area like here?
Posted by: the chicken at April 23, 2009 1:35 PM
I don't know this neighborhood at all, but it would have to be astonishingly terrible for that place to only be worth $813 (current brownstoner appraisal). Really gorgeous, and given how nice the parts of the interior we see are, it's hard for me to believe the kitchens or baths are in terrible condition, though no doubt they could use some improvements.
Posted by: toadie at April 23, 2009 1:35 PM
this place is a former open house pick -- formerly listed at $1.1M.
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/06/open_house_pick_191.php
Posted by: z at April 23, 2009 1:36 PM
"what is the large building to the right of the house in the first photo?"
I live not far away. The building is a large private apartment building. Not a housing project. The block is landmarked.
Cindy is a cutie.
Posted by: East New York at April 23, 2009 1:37 PM
rob..its a bathroom (preferable a really big one) that is enterred through the master bedroom and only the master bedroom so that the crotchfruit aren't using it as well.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 1:38 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
that exterior is amazing!!!
really great house -needs some work in the inside though
I would think 800K could sell this place, no?
Posted by: gemini10 at April 23, 2009 1:38 PM
What's the area like here?
It's terrific! As I mentioned, I live nearby.
Posted by: East New York at April 23, 2009 1:38 PM
sorry, link got borked -- here's a more compact link:
http://snipurl.com/gjrtn
Posted by: z at April 23, 2009 1:39 PM
pretty house, but I'd rather not live on that corner. and I'm not sure I'd want to be betting on Crown Heights real estate in 2009.
think it does have a garage chicken
Posted by: Ringo at April 23, 2009 1:39 PM
That is a truly, truly beautiful house. And, if "unfinished renovation" meant that someone had left room for me to add the details/fixtures/etc. that I wanted, I'd be very excited.
Posted by: new2hood at April 23, 2009 1:40 PM
"First one of these where I have felt like putting in close to the asking price.
Posted by: etson at April 23, 2009 1:30 PM"
Wanna split it ;)
Posted by: the chicken at April 23, 2009 1:41 PM
This is truly a beautiful house... The first time I visited this home my jaw dropped... If you love historic 1892 detail this is the place for you. I love the the Roman brick and limestone combo. Dean Street is one of my favorite streets in NYC...
Posted by: Amzi Hill at April 23, 2009 1:43 PM
"think it does have a garage chicken
Posted by: Ringo at April 23, 2009 1:39 PM"
Only refers to "an exclusive 2 car parking area". Fine for a car but I need a secured building for all the toys I'm going to get...
Posted by: the chicken at April 23, 2009 1:44 PM
chicken...are you into collector cars???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 1:44 PM
bikes, DIBS, bikes...
Posted by: the chicken at April 23, 2009 1:46 PM
since the other resident experts (bxgrl,MM) have not arrived yet, let the newbie chime in.
other than that big building across the street from this house, the block & nearby are full of nice looking bldgs/houses like this one (some as nice, some less,...). just use google map's street view to check it out. Area is nice enough that on 1 curious visit to check out all the hype Montrose references here, I ended up buying an aptmt unit - still gripping unforeseen hurdles forcing me to rent it out instead.
Posted by: more4less at April 23, 2009 1:48 PM
This is a beautiful place. The place is lovely in the spring. Walked by Stering and Bedford this weekend. Amazing. How is subway access? How about restaurants? Any weird factors like drug clinics, etc.
Posted by: LincolnSlope at April 23, 2009 1:48 PM
" 'one of the loveliest blocks in all of Brooklyn' "
Similar to what ROTW alluded to earlier, not the kind of "loveliest" that the "asshats" want. At least not right now and not for the foreseeable future.
I've been inside. Very lovely indeed (save the top floor stench). But that corner intersection hinders movement near a mil. Especially with the required TLC. It'll do well when the market bounces some decade from now to some level below.
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at April 23, 2009 1:48 PM
I only know there is a garage behind this building so I assume that's what she means by exclusive parking area. unless that garage belongs to someone else in which case I don't know where the parking area is, bcs it's not behind the house.
Posted by: Ringo at April 23, 2009 1:49 PM
BHO...do the bathrooms and kitchens need to be completely gutted????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 1:50 PM
I live around the corner and know the area really well. The large building is a private senior residence- very well kept. The area is quiet and friendly. The house is very beautiful, as is the block, which has a very strong block association. I'm not sure why the house has been sitting for so long either- at one point I thought it was taken off the market.
We are a landmarked district and the neighborhood is filled with families, longtime residents and families that have owned their homes for several generations. Still, CHN hasn't gotten the press and interest Clinton Hill and Bed-Stuy have, so prices have lagged a bit behind. We're walking distance to Foodtoon, which is first rate, the Brooklyn Children's Museum, a small public library branch and Eastern Parkway. There are lots of stores, nothing fancy especially along Fulton and Nostrand. A new fruit and veggie stand just opened on Nostrand too, betw. Atlantic and Pacific.The only thing we do really miss is a few good restaurants and cafes. But there's a number of ethnic food shops that are good. (rob would love all the dollar stores!)
I love it here- not saying it doesn't have its problems, but it is certainly not the nightmare a lot of people would have you believe.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 1:51 PM
1265 Dean St has been on the market for the last 4 years. I'm glad these retards put the crack pipe down.
If you are a retard this block is not for you, trust me on this one!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at April 23, 2009 1:51 PM
Ooopppp! I have been outed!
BHO
Someday this war is gonna end...
****Bid nothing on peak comps****
Posted by: Return of The What at April 23, 2009 1:54 PM
The What makes me laugh sometimes.
Posted by: Ringo at April 23, 2009 1:54 PM
What, I'm usually pretty good at deciphering your points but you've outdone yourself on this one!
Posted by: the chicken at April 23, 2009 1:56 PM
Looks like there's no back yard at all. Maybe a deck could go over the garage? The street view of this block is off the hook. Easily as nice, architecturally, as the park block of 3rd street in park slope. If this were a mile down Dean on the west side of washington, the ask would be double. I could see someone who loved the place and had long term faith in brooklyn paying 900k.
Posted by: Frederick Law Homestead at April 23, 2009 1:57 PM
Brownstoner:
This house is around the corner from where I lived as a boy in Crown Heights during the 50s.
It sits in the middle of the Crown Heights North Historic District on Dean Street, which is one of the most beautiful stretches of row houses anywhere in New York (including those in my landmark district in Manhattan). Opposite it are two remarkable churches, one Romanesque-Revival the other Italianate, which also rival any in the city and here stand face-to-face, a wonderful composition that may be unique for Brooklyn.
For those concerned about the high-rise across the street, don't worry. It's a stable, well-kept apartment house for elders, designed late in the career of John Luis Wilson, the prominent African-American architect and designer of the Harlem River Houses, the first federal public housing in the country, an official city landmark and still an attractive place to live.
Several months ago, this beauty was featured on Brownstoner for more than a million. Given the state of the market, its price should continue to decline until it reaches the point where the right owner, willing to restore it to its full glory, will pounce.
Or heck, why restore it other than mechanicials and the roof, if necessary? Why not just luxuriate in its great space and light and spend the next decade or two tinkering as the need arises, English-manor style? (Ever visit British gentry? Their houses are great but are often old and worn.) You'll still get the rush of walking up that broad stoop and turning the front door key, happy in the knowledge that you live in one of the most beautiful corner houses in all of New York.
Nostalgic on Park Avenue
Posted by: NOP at April 23, 2009 1:58 PM
the house is nice, however there is a very messy divorce playing out....tried viewing the house many times and was turned away because of the litigation involved(judges ruling). The reason the renovations are incomplete could be due to the divorce???
Posted by: gmack23 at April 23, 2009 1:59 PM
Swoon! That is a stunning home.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at April 23, 2009 2:00 PM
gross dave . i would NEVER want a bathroom in my bedroom. ick,
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at April 23, 2009 2:00 PM
It's not IN the bedroom rob, just attached through a doorway so that you don't have to go all the way down the hall.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 2:01 PM
Forgot- the 65 bus runs up Bergen and down Dean to downtwon Brooklyn, and other lines run on New York, Bedford and Nostrand. The A is on Fulton/Nostrand and is only a few minutes away.
There is a 2 car garage, which is theirs, so no back yard per se- that may have been a major problem for selling.
People who don't know the area don't understand how actually stable this neighborhood has been, because it has a large number of long time homeowners who recognized how architecturally important Crown Heights North is and began the landmarking process. I've lived here 6 years and never had a problem (unlike in Bklyn Heights where I was mugged across the street from where I lived, and almost mugged 3 other times). I'm betting Crown Heights will stay stable, especially because it never really became part of the MREB.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 2:01 PM
"BHO...do the bathrooms and kitchens need to be completely gutted????"
I don't recall. I'd guess yes.
On a side note, there's stained glass at the stairwell too. Hot.
Yeah, that trek accross Atlantic kills the desireability index. And that hood is not for everybody. I know a family who moved out for safety reasons and another who is in the process (both black). But for $925K, you can be part of the "solution".
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at April 23, 2009 2:02 PM
Do you own a property on this block, What????? Fess up.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 2:04 PM
duh dave i know that. but i dont just a door separating a bathroom and my bedroom giving poo mist just one entrace to enter? no thanks.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at April 23, 2009 2:07 PM
"This house is around the corner from where I lived as a boy in Crown Heights during the 50s."
Shit done changed! - Biggie, circa 1994
Now, everybody print out that brilliant-as-usual piece that NOP just wrote, go sit on the corner of Dean / NY Ave, and recite it to yourself. Then come back here and post your thoughts on the price.
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at April 23, 2009 2:15 PM
"People who don't know the area don't understand how actually stable this neighborhood has been, because it has a large number of long time homeowners who recognized how architecturally important Crown Heights North is and began the landmarking process"
Do you know how "stable" it is????????? That neighborhood is ACE HOOD SON!!!
Montrose Morris and Bxgrl is going to get you killed!
"I'm betting Crown Heights will stay stable, especially because it never really became part of the MREB."
Famous last words...
The What (Crown Heights, ROTFLMMFAO)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at April 23, 2009 2:19 PM
"I know a family who moved out for safety reasons and another who is in the process (both black)."
Their loss. It's already a great neighborhood. Like a lot of places, it has it problems, but many strong points. We don't need any "solutions" from where I sit (says the black man). If the area wasn't right for your "friends" and you're saying posters here should be concerned about walking along Dean St/NY Ave., that's OK, too. You're right, it's probably not for them.
Posted by: East New York at April 23, 2009 2:22 PM
"Now, everybody print out that brilliant-as-usual piece that NOP just wrote, go sit on the corner of Dean / NY Ave, and recite it to yourself."
Tape it to your foreheads as the yongins dig thru your pockets, LMMFAO!
"Then come back here and post your thoughts on the price."
After you get released fro the Emergency Room....
The BH.. eh What
Someday this war is gonna end....
Posted by: Return of The What at April 23, 2009 2:23 PM
"Do you know how "stable" it is????????? That neighborhood is ACE HOOD SON!!!"
You shouldn't disrespect my area, What. I'm not surprised that posters here think it's some kind of horrible place. But you should know it's really not even close to the toughest part of Brooklyn (not to mention NYC). Take it from the guy from ENY.
Posted by: East New York at April 23, 2009 2:25 PM
I love when Rob says "poo mist"
Posted by: mksk at April 23, 2009 2:26 PM
What- I live here- you don't. I post what I know. As does Montrose and ENY.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 2:31 PM
I loooove this block. I looooove this house. Me wants it.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at April 23, 2009 2:36 PM
DIBS,
Unless I am not reading this correctly, the "outing" that was referred to above is that "BHO" seconded a post by what that what hadn't yet made. Either BHO is clairvoyant or BHO = what. Read the thread carefully and let me know if you agree.
Posted by: slopefarm at April 23, 2009 2:38 PM
In the next few weeks I'll be back in the city.
I think I'll throw on an Italian silk jacket, put on a pair of English-bespoke suede shoes, carry my digital Nikon and take a walk through Crown Heights, something I've promised I'd do for years.
Often when I'm in town I take walks of this type even through (gasp!) public housing projects.
And nothing's happened.
Then again, maybe I'll invite Montrose Morris and Bxgrl to run defense. I believe they both live around the corner from 1265 Dean and, as we know, are pretty fierce.
NOP
Posted by: NOP at April 23, 2009 2:41 PM
Me too. Things like this make me think it might be worth saving for a down payment. How are the schools?
Posted by: Heather at April 23, 2009 2:43 PM
DIBS -- see also ROTW at 2:23. Admission?
Posted by: slopefarm at April 23, 2009 2:44 PM
BRG- You would so love it here!I bet the price will come down, especially if there is a messy divorce going on.
NOP- we'll protect you- although the most danger would be from the squirrel in the back yard whose sole aim in life is to make cats crazy. We can ask ENY to form the 3rd leg of your protective tripod :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 2:46 PM
"We can ask ENY to form the 3rd leg of your protective tripod :-)"
I got you covered. Come through.
Posted by: East New York at April 23, 2009 2:49 PM
slopefarm... there's been evidence for awhile that BHO=What but this probably confirms it.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 2:50 PM
bxgrl...I know I would love it. I really like the area and the houses are gorgeous. We looked at a few houses in CH when we were seriously looking, but now we stopped cause of the economy.
But one day I'll either be your neighbor or Amzi & Daves.
This house is by far is one of the nicer ones in CH. How can you not love that facade? And that staircase. Ho-hum.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at April 23, 2009 2:51 PM
Dave,
Yes, I remember some threads on this. I think either Biff or wasder advanced the theory with some vigor a while back, with some fairly good evidence. I think it is pretty close to settled now.
Posted by: slopefarm at April 23, 2009 2:54 PM
weather is warming up. stroll thru the hood yourself and make your own judgement of the area. But dont be surprised that you'll love it. Don't have to buy now. Can always rent to wait for better prices.
Posted by: more4less at April 23, 2009 3:02 PM
to the people who live in the neighborhood,
What do you do about schools here? I assume you dont send your "crotch fruit" to the local public school.
Posted by: slick at April 23, 2009 3:08 PM
Well, not having any I don't know much about schools in the area. But I do know a new school is being built now a few blocks down on pacific and I'm not sure but I think it is going to have a heavy emphasis on the arts.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 3:24 PM
Beautiful house, but the local public schools are terrible. It's a major, long-term problem for Crown Heights that will always impact property values there.
Posted by: Big Jugs at April 23, 2009 3:24 PM
"What do you do about schools here?"
My kid is well beyond grade school age, but if you're not into the local public schools there are several parochial schools to which many local parents send their kids. Montrose probably has more specifics about these schools, but there are two in my immediate vicinity, and they seem to be excellent (kids wear uniforms and almost always are dropped off by their parents). Also, can't speak to the quality of the curriculum, and haven't looked up the scores, but the George V. Brower public elementary school seems to be very good. The principal is an extremely hard worker; I've run into him many mornings when I'm out walking my dog in Brower Park. He's invariably in there working long before the kids show up. A very good sign.
Posted by: East New York at April 23, 2009 3:26 PM
That's one incredible block from the Streetview. I'm jealous, ENY.
Also if you follow Steretview down New York, you can see that there's a nice 2 car brick garage. There's room for a deck on top of that or one on top of the 1st/2nd floor extension.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 3:35 PM
Wow! What a house. Love those cool sliver windows down the side. Imagine what that house could look like with some tasteful renovation. One would think that 800 would be a fair price but I am not too familiar with the Crown Heights market.
Posted by: wasder at April 23, 2009 3:39 PM
I am not wowed by the pictures, which are mostly halls, stairs, and more halls. There is no photo of the parlor that shows the fireplace. The bedroom is too big.
There are some glitches with the floor plan. For example, the downstairs rental apt placed the bathroom in the middle of the bedroom, which ruins the bedroom. It also opens directly off the kitchen, which is disgusting as well as inconvenient. They could have put it in the hall and still used the plumbing stack near the kitchen.
A second big glitch is the tiny side kitchen in the owner's triplex. Though the adjacent breakfast room is awesome.
However, note, no photos.
Posted by: mopar at April 23, 2009 3:42 PM
wasder- living around the corner from MM and I should make it priceless ;)
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 3:44 PM
"That neighborhood is ACE HOOD SON!!!...Montrose Morris and Bxgrl is going to get you killed!"
ROTFLMMFAO
"Their loss."
They see it differently.
"it's really not even close to the toughest part of Brooklyn (not to mention NYC)"
At $925K, it doesn't have to be. Matter 'fact, it better not be.
"I live here- you don't. I post what I know. As does Montrose and ENY."
I have peeps that either live there or have lived there. I considered raising my family there until they told me what THEY knew. I know your vested interest is locked in but there are readers on this blog who are asking what the area is like and they want the truth whether you can handle it or not.
BHO = What. Very fasionable when the gospel doesn't go your way.
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at April 23, 2009 3:53 PM
BHO- the truth is we have different experiences nad I know a lot of people in this neighborhood who feel the same way as ENY, MM and I, so that seems to be a truth you can't handle. Crown Heights is a huge neighborhood and sure some parts are rougher than others but as I said, you don't live here. Your stories are anecdotal, or maybe even untrue, so it's hard to see where you can claim any real insight into the neighborhood.
That said, I don't have any vested interests to protect- I rent. I tell the truth- which is based on my living here for 6 years.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 4:00 PM
bxgrl, as I've been told time and again, don't engage the loons.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 4:02 PM
BHO/what -- I have no dog in the fight over the value of the house or the quality of the neighborhood, nor do I profess any knowledge. Do you deny that you and what are the same?
Posted by: slopefarm at April 23, 2009 4:03 PM
"That said, I don't have any vested interests to protect- I rent. I tell the truth- which is based on my living here for 6 years."
bxgrl just laid a major PWNING on BHO.
Posted by: wasder at April 23, 2009 4:04 PM
"You shouldn't disrespect my area, What. I'm not surprised that posters here think it's some kind of horrible place. But you should know it's really not even close to the toughest part of Brooklyn (not to mention NYC). Take it from the guy from ENY."
Come on East New York stop that! That area is Hood and you know it! Just because you see some retards wondering around that doesn't mean Crown Heights has "Come of Age".
"What- I live here- you don't. I post what I know. As does Montrose and ENY."
As Richard Pryor would say "How long must this Bullshit go on"!
Hey Numbskulls how about this- Take a walk around the neighborhood on a summer night about 11:00PM at night. Get back to me if you can.
The BHO
No..
The What
The BHO
No.. Dammit
The What
The BHO
No.. Stop it!
The What
The BHO
No..
The What
Someday bid have gonna peak...
Posted by: Return of The What at April 23, 2009 4:06 PM
LOL, What.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 4:08 PM
"BHO/what -- I have no dog in the fight over the value of the house or the quality of the neighborhood, nor do I profess any knowledge. Do you deny that you and what are the same?"
NOOOOOOOO Make it stop!!!!!!!
I'm Im???????
BHO yeah oh dammit no.. The What yes, The Bho, no make stop!!!!!!
The I don't KNOW?????
SOMEDAY PEAK COMPS ARE GONNA END....
Posted by: Return of The What at April 23, 2009 4:08 PM
Whether BHO and What are one and the same, something I have given up trying to determine definitively, they might as well be as they are acting in concert to spread fear and paranoia about our fair city. Effectively they are the same, whether or not they inhabit the same skin (remains up in the air).
Posted by: wasder at April 23, 2009 4:10 PM
Richard Pryor was referring to you, What. You just can't stand the fact that you're a joke of your former self.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 4:10 PM
What would this have sold for in 1999? There's your price. It never ceases to amaze me at people thinking things are bargains at these prices. Still in that good old nothing less than a million for anything in Brooklyn mentality. In 3 years this will be worth $300K - if there are buyers that is.
Posted by: williamsburgguy at April 23, 2009 4:11 PM
What...That place ain't no real ghetto. Come on over to the real ghetto and I'll give you a massage. It'll calm your nerves.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 4:12 PM
Actually, wasder, a long time ago I decided What was really the sock puppet of some white supremecist KKK grand hi-falutin'dragon. That's how "real" he is.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 4:13 PM
"Whether BHO and What are one and the same, something I have given up trying to determine definitively, they might as well be as they are acting in concert to spread fear and paranoia about our fair city. "
Yes yes that is my sinister Plot BWWWWWAAAHHAAAAWWWAAA Yes to take over Asshat Hill!!!!!!
BHO and Dow8000 is my Alter Egos and we tell take over the earth, BBBBWWWWWHHHA!!!
The BHO Dow200 What Who When How and Why
Someday peak comps are gonna end....
Posted by: Return of The What at April 23, 2009 4:14 PM
williamsburgguy- really? Another What sock puppet. G-d, they're everywhere- like vermin.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 4:15 PM
wasder,
You can stop trying. It's been firmly established today. Nice to see what has a good sense of humor about it. His alter ego, not so much.
Posted by: slopefarm at April 23, 2009 4:16 PM
williamsburgguy....why 1999??
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 4:16 PM
Yes Yes Yes!!!!! My sock-puppets will take over the world!!!!!
The I don't know now
Someday peak comps will peak...
Posted by: Return of The What at April 23, 2009 4:18 PM
I remember when I outed myself as Bold Type Guest...it was the same situation...I commented on something I thought I had said but had not yet!!! LOL
I think slopefarm you were there that night. You may have been the one who caught it.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 4:18 PM
"A second big glitch is the tiny side kitchen in the owner's triplex. Though the adjacent breakfast room is awesome."
Hey Mopar, I saw that too, but I'd just blow out the wall or part of it, and enlarge the kitchen.
Posted by: denton at April 23, 2009 4:19 PM
I saw that too, but I'd just blow out the wall or part of it, and enlarge the kitchen.
Posted by: denton at April 23, 2009 4:19 PM
It's going to have to be a big blowout to fit those giant ranges, denton. :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 4:23 PM
That is an incredible block and (based only on selective photos) that is one gorgeous looking house. We considered a house on this block when we were looking to buy over 20 years ago. The houses and block were beautiful then and the scene is even more beautiful now. At 20' wide, four stories with a 2-story extension, parking space for 2 cars, and already stripped and rewired, my thinking is that $925k is a great deal . . . even in this market! I can only imagine how the brownstoner posters 20 years from now will be gnashing their teeth that they didn't jump on this house when it could be bought for a relative song in bubble bust times of '09.
Posted by: Brooklynista at April 23, 2009 4:26 PM
You know something guys? This is getting too easy and it's a shame. The retards look for anything to escape the truth about asset prices. Team Retard lives in a perpetual state of denial. The whole Banking system is insolvent and the asshead are going to down in flames to defend their point. Real Estate is so fucking over and the point now is just to manage from day to day. The only thing "Going up" these days are unemployment and prices (Not Real Estate). It's like watching the Bug say "oh look at the pretty light" before they get zapped. The only way this period of time to correct itself is for all of us to die and let the future straiten things out..
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at April 23, 2009 4:26 PM
Brooklynista...you won't have to wait 20 years for that!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 4:29 PM
First of all, to see the full side view of this house, look at my Flickr link from yesterday. It's there. Gorgeous lines, beautiful stained glass windows, some of which need replacing, but hey, everything else is in great shape. Also, there is no backyard, but one could easily put a large deck on the roof of the adjoined 2 car garage.
I'm afraid I don't know local schools that well, as I don't have kids, but I do know they are building a new school 2 blocks away, and a friend of mine is involved, and I wouldn't get between her and education. I also know that an Episcopalian parochial school, St. Mark's Day School, is with walking distance, or a 10 block bus ride away at President and Brooklyn, on the other side of Eastern Parkway
What, you and your sock puppet BHO are wrong. But that's ok. My new defense of my neighborhood is this: if you want to believe the worst without checking it out yourself, fine. Don't buy in a neighborhood that will only rise in value over the long haul. Don't move to a block chock full of some of the finest residential architecture in Brooklyn, easily comparable to the "name" streets of Park Slope.(same architects, in many cases) Please forget even visiting an ethnically and economically diverse block with friendly neighbors, proximity to an excellent supermarket, banking and the subway.
And please, don't move around the corner from me. You'll be coming home safely at night, even across Atlantic Ave, which is no big deal unless you can't tell red from green stop lights. I don't want to see you gardening in your front yard, and tending your pots on that spacious stoop, or joining a very powerful block association, and the Crown Heights North Association, working for positive change in the neighborhood. I don't want you to have the constant sense of wonder at looking out from your stoop upon two of the most magnificent churches in the city. I really don't want you to have that beautiful woodwork, or hear the saws and hammers as you fix this place up to the way you want it. Most of all, I don't want to someday be in my backyard and see you living it up on your deck. Brxgrl,M4L, ENY and I might come over for a snack. You'll never get rid of us. You really don't want that.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at April 23, 2009 4:36 PM
DIBS,
I remember but I wasn't the one who caught you. I didn't get so wrapped up in the guest v. login wars. BTG stirred the pot nicely in that debate, if I remember. But what/BHO/Dow -- now that's funny. Someday our kids (well, maybe not yours, DIBS) will ask, where were you in the great sock puppet wars of 2009?
Posted by: slopefarm at April 23, 2009 4:38 PM
Brownstone Voyeur in the Thursday Blogwrap above for some interior porn^^^^^^^
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 4:44 PM
A little of the old revoise psychology from MM!!! Please don't throw me in the briar patch!!! Oh no -- beautiful architecture?? lush gardens? beautiful woodwork?? neighborhood associations??? AAAAHHHHHHHHGGGGG (runs screaming).
Montrose, you and your CHN pals are always welcome to stop by for a snack if you are in S. Slope. I've got the organic locavore tea sandwiches all ready for ya. Stay as long as you want.
Posted by: slopefarm at April 23, 2009 4:45 PM
"And please, don't move around the corner from me. You'll be coming home safely at night, even across Atlantic Ave, which is no big deal unless you can't tell red from green stop lights. "
Ah- if only he were color-blind.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 4:45 PM
Anyone else think the What and BHO are all someone else?
I remember when the What was really scary and wacked the Eff out - The What now seems totally tame and dare I say - coherent????
Posted by: gemini10 at April 23, 2009 4:51 PM
"What, you and your sock puppet BHO are wrong."
Tell me why Morris!
"My new defense of my neighborhood is this: if you want to believe the worst without checking it out yourself, fine."
I was in Crown Height a couple of hours ago!
"Don't buy in a neighborhood that will only rise in value over the long haul."
What is the time horizon Morris, 50 years??????!!! By the time the next wave comes you will be in a Cremation Urn on someone's mantle piece!
"Don't move to a block chock full of some of the finest residential architecture in Brooklyn, easily comparable to the "name" streets of Park Slope.(same architects, in many cases)"
AGREED!!!! 100%!!!! Still "Hood"!
" Please forget even visiting an ethnically and economically diverse block with friendly neighbors, proximity to an excellent supermarket, banking and the subway."
Please I hope to God the"diverse" part is West Indian because it's not Asshat!
"And please, don't move around the corner from me. You'll be coming home safely at night, even across Atlantic Ave, which is no big deal unless you can't tell red from green stop lights."
ROTFLMMFAO Really??? New York Ave? Kingston?? Lincoln??? St. Johns??? OK put the crack pipe down!
"You'll never get rid of us. You really don't want that."
Get rid of you??? Morris I'm going to stand down...
I wonder does a Brownstoner that has lost 50% of it's "value" still looks great?
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at April 23, 2009 4:54 PM
I am told that there is no kitchen, no roof on the garage and of course no back yard. One of the three baths is unrenovated.
Love this house.
Couple got part way through reno and stopped. Roof is second new roof as first didn't work out well.
Institutional corner though, two churches and a senior citizen building. Buses....but parking!
Posted by: chrishavens at April 23, 2009 4:55 PM
Re: What = BHO
When I started posting on Brownstoner nearly two years ago, unregistered bloggers would write Nostalgic on Park Avenue = Montrose Morris.
Maybe we're all the same person -- with 700 different personalities.
It's possible.
Posted by: NOP at April 23, 2009 4:55 PM
Montrose said it best, too.
Posted by: chrishavens at April 23, 2009 4:58 PM
"I was in Crown Height a couple of hours ago!"
Ohhhhhh.... that was what that smell was.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 5:02 PM
Hoohaa! What! You're a laugh riot today. I especially loved the urn on the mantlepiece line. Yeah, well, I'll be on a fine, well carved, 19th century, mahogany Crown Heights North mantlepiece, in a house that has quadrupled its purchase price in 50 years, so I'll be rockin' steady, mon.
"I was in Crown Height a couple of hours ago!" the What.
THAT'S what the police cars, helicoptors, guys in hazmat suits, and the gentlemen with the white coats were doing here. Thanks for clearing up that mystery. We rarely see such action.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at April 23, 2009 5:08 PM
I can't wait to see what the homes on this street are going for in five years. This house is very virgin. I really wish they would have taking more photos.. The Parlor is in really good condition with beautiful woodwork.
Posted by: Amzi Hill at April 23, 2009 5:09 PM
"Please I hope to God the"diverse" part is West Indian because it's not Asshat!"
So "Asshat" is code only for White??? Hmmmm, so we add that to honkey, cracker, snowflake, any others???? I need to keep up in case I ever hear one of those words over in the Bed Stuy ghetto!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 5:10 PM
I think we can safely say that MM PWNED the What - and with half her brain tied behind her back. I can only imagine the devastation if she had used both halves, but then, why expend the extra energy when it was so easy? :-)
MM- the Hazmat guy said they responded to a toxic waste report but that he had already left. I think you'll see the slime trail leading down to the Gowanus.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 5:17 PM
bxgrl,MM...we all know the amount of toxic waste that resides in New Jersey.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 5:19 PM
Slopefarm, it's a deal. I look forward to the farm fresh fare. Perhaps fresh mozzerella cheese sandwhiches from local rare, Brahmin cows, fed on hay picked by Bhutanese nuns, on freshed baked artisanal bread baked by vegan Seattle transplants. With a sprig of basil from your backyard on top.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at April 23, 2009 5:22 PM
Chris- the two magnificent churches are good neighbors and the senior citizen building is a residence, not a nursing home. The block is quieter than you would think.
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 5:23 PM
Slopefarm- CHN locavore here- do you cut the crusts off? Are the tomatoes rare, historical goldens seeded from 150 year old stock taken from the garden of a British aristocrat's country house in Wales?
Posted by: bxgrl at April 23, 2009 5:28 PM
Asshats eat cucumber sandwiches with the crusts removed and drink Pimm's.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 5:35 PM
"Come on East New York stop that! That area is Hood and you know it! Just because you see some retards wondering around that doesn't mean Crown Heights has "Come of Age"."
It's a playground compared to ENY and Brownsville, where I'm from. But if you or anyone else is skeptical, that's cool. I'm not a salesman, I bought my house pre-bubble, and my family and I are happy there, which is really all that counts to me in the end. As Martin Lawrence's "Jerome" character would say, "MY thing gon' BE alright." Peace.
Posted by: East New York at April 23, 2009 5:37 PM
So, Montrose, where is the great supermarket? I need to do some grocery shopping.
And a big thank you to you and Amzi for Sunday....I posted a little thank you in the Monday OT but you may not have seen it.
Posted by: mopar at April 23, 2009 5:37 PM
The last partly-renovated brownstone I saw was listed for $699,000 and was snapped up immediately. This was the place on Putnam and Tompkins, a Corcoran listing, about six months ago.
Wasder saw it. It was listed here. Top three floors were beautifully redone, basement had not been finished. Kitchen was white marble with subway tile and powder room was brown marble with subway tile.
Posted by: mopar at April 23, 2009 5:42 PM
Thanks for the great read...You all are a riot!
Posted by: bayridgegirl at April 23, 2009 5:47 PM
mopar...I saw that house the evening it was here as HOTD. It was on the market for awhile. They did a nice job with their renovations. I don't remember where they started at price wise. yes, bottom floor needed to be gutted.
Funny though, that was the night that I outed myself as Bold Type Guest. It was a rainy night and I think I was the only one to go to the open house and I signed in as Dave Somebody and as I was leaving Jerry Minsky, the broker, thought he had "busted" me as daveinbedstuy.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 5:53 PM
Mopar, thanks, Amzi and I had fun showing you around. How was the open house?
The supermarket in question is Foodtown, in Restoration Plaza. Corner Fulton and Brooklyn Ave. Good produce, lots of organic and specialty foods, good everyday staples, large selections in most categories, decent deli counter, meat dept, and fresh bagels, muffins and baked goods. They carry soy products and vegetarian foods.
They also have on-line home delivery. I don't know how far out they go, but would imagine most of the Bed Stuy/Crown Heights area. If you had seen what a piece of crap supermarket we had before, this one would look like Vegas to a gambling addict. As it is, it's certainly the nicest supermarket around.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at April 23, 2009 5:54 PM
The Foodtown is far superior to most Manhattan supermarkets...D'Agostinos, gristede's and most of the Food Emporiums.
The delivery service is excelletn. I've used it twice and each time they would call me about any substitutions and it came precisely within the hour that I chose.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 5:57 PM
Dave, yeah, it was on the market for at least a year. Then they dropped the price to $699,000 and had an offer within three weeks and that was that. (I never checked back to see what the closing price was.)
MM, alas, open house was shut though we did arrive at the dot of 6:04. Thanks for the supermarket info. I didn't manage to go grocery shopping that day either but I will try Foodtown this week.
Posted by: mopar at April 23, 2009 6:04 PM
sold. I'll drop by to check it out. this is closer than fairway
Posted by: more4less at April 23, 2009 6:05 PM
OH...and they have something that no one else carries anywhere in NYC...Mother Goose Liverwurst!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at April 23, 2009 6:08 PM
Great house. Maybe a little overpriced, but not much IMO.
I live on a bus block and you certainly get used to the traffic to the point that you don't notice it after a while.
I would imagine you get great cross breezes as you have exposure on 3 sides. The idea of a deck that can't be viewed from the street or a neighbor's yard and the garage are really nice pluses. You can still garden in the front.
slopefarm, your post at 2:38 is dead on. Sad part: That means that poster has some serious mental health issues but I guess we all knew that already.
Posted by: Miss Chiff at April 23, 2009 6:27 PM
Ohhh...what a pretty house. Montrose Morris, is that near you? I love it. It's a pretty front - I wonder why that building wasn't built with windows on the side, seems like they would be great there...
Posted by: donatella at April 23, 2009 6:27 PM
I never heard "crotchfruit" til today.
Posted by: Nomi at April 23, 2009 7:26 PM
Ugh, why, oh why am I adding anything to this lengthy thread?! Just pointless, I'm sure.
I was also surprised Jonathan and the folk(s) at Brownstoner didn't manage to mention that this house was heavily discussed quite some time ago.
Anyway, I wanted to address NOP that now that this house's price is dropping, you need to snap it up. Maybe it'll drop a lot more...but please think about it.
NOP, Leave your overly taxed, overly coop fee'd, and possibly very costly-to-repoint Manhattan apartment house (you know, when all apartments get a $10,000 monthly assessment for 3 months to help cover facade work) and swing back over to Brooklyn.
Look, I think this house has parking and the kids have grown up at this point so do you really need to stay in Manhattan. Look, you'd be that much closer to JFK!
You and your brother can stop just discussing it and reminiscing on the phone already. Just take the plunge and come on HOME!
Look, even though there are trade offs, I'm VERY glad we escaped Park Avenue and the Upper Eastside years ago. I think I'd have gone out of my mind (...maybe I have anyway? But that's another story.).
See you around Mr. Nostalgic,
BG
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at April 23, 2009 7:29 PM
Hello all, I am a newbie to Brownstoner blogs and beautiful brownstone-rich Brooklyn. Just moved in with my girlfriend to Park Slope. Things are progressing and we are beginning to talk buying a fixer-upper in an affordable neighborhood. From my limited research, I would say that outskirts of Fort Greene, Bed Stuy, and Crown Heights are the reasonable spots for a fixer-upper brownstone in the 500-600K range. I will await some wisdom and will continue to read. Thanks.
Posted by: PKsloper at April 23, 2009 7:50 PM
love this place but it'll be years before you can finance any reno unless you put down 70% of appraisal val.
Posted by: BrooklynLove at April 23, 2009 8:12 PM
BrooklynLove, you can get a construction loan with 3 percent down -- as long as the mortgage is conforming. No jumbos. And you have to live in it. No investors.
Posted by: mopar at April 23, 2009 10:52 PM
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