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April 17, 2009

Brooklyn Sales: Under a Million

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Some of the sales recorded last week that went for $1 million or less:

Under $250K: FORT GREENE
101 Lafayette Avenue, Unit 8M; Price=$215,000 GMAP
This co-op in the Griffin sold via public auction in December. Size unknown, though it's probably a studio given that most if not all of the building's under-$300K sales in recent years have been studios. Entered into contract on 12/16/08; closed on 3/25/09; deed recorded on 4/7/09.

$300-$500K Range: WILLIAMSBURG
161 North 4th Street, Unit 3H; Price=$480,000 GMAP
The sale of this 622-square-foot, 1-bedroom unit in the Nforth condo included a parking spot and storage space. Entered into contract on 2/4/09; closed on 3/23/09; deed recorded on 4/9/09.

$500-$750K Range: BEDFORD-STUYVESANT
560 Willoughby Avenue; Price=$520,000 GMAP
This 2,280-square-foot, 2-family house last sold for $440,000 in late 2004, according to Property Shark. Entered into contract on 1/12/09; closed on 3/26/09; deed recorded on 4/7/09.

$750K-$1 Million Range: DOWNTOWN BROOKLYN
101 Willoughby Street, Unit 7A; Price=$929,500 GMAP
This 1,703-sf unit in the BellTel Lofts first hit the market in October 2006, asking $1,010,000, according to StreetEasy. The listing came on and off the market a few times over the next couple years. Entered into contract on 1/21/09; closed on 3/23/09; deed recorded on 4/6/09.

560 Willoughby and 101 Lafayette Avenue photos from Property Shark; Nforth photo by langnewspaper.




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The Griffin sale looks like a great deal. I wonder what condition the apt. was in.

Posted by: ebklyn at April 17, 2009 11:47 AM

Bed Stuy house makes me jealous. I used to live on the next block up, it's a pretty good location, price seems fairly reasonable.

North Fourth condo makes me sneer, mainly because I developed a special kind of hate for that project last winter, when their scaffolding narrowed the sidewalk so that even a Maclaran stroller couldn't pass through. And in the winter, with drifts of snow on all sides, this was actually a huge problem.

Posted by: Heather at April 17, 2009 11:49 AM

Thanks again for this thread. In the future, can you also add some properties currently for sale under the $250k mark?

Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at April 17, 2009 11:55 AM

I'm sure many will disagree with me, but I actually really dig the exterior look of that WBurg building.

That said, I've been to Williamsburg twice in my life and know nothing about the area except that Union Ave is riddled with half-finished condos. :P

Posted by: cwbuecheler at April 17, 2009 11:56 AM

Nforth is one of the nicer looking buildings in the burg, which isn't saying much.

Not sure about the location - it's right across from a school. Kids are so annoying and loud!!

Posted by: dirty_hipster at April 17, 2009 12:05 PM

I agree with you cwb. I like it too.

Posted by: bxgrl at April 17, 2009 12:05 PM

I agree. The billyburg building is nice looking. it actually strikes me as a contemporary version of the Ft Greene place in the picture to the left... i.e., what the Ft Green building would have looked like if they had the structural know-how at the time.

Posted by: tybur6 at April 17, 2009 12:10 PM

DH- were you ever a child? :-)

Posted by: bxgrl at April 17, 2009 12:22 PM

if you like that Burg building you would love Boston. Much of the city of Boston looks like that

Posted by: brickoven at April 17, 2009 12:30 PM

That Williamsburg building is absolutely hideous looking on the outside. However, it comes with a parking space. And is very well located. So perhaps it's not a bad deal.

Interesting to see the Bed Stuy house has *increased* in price. The price seems pretty reasonable. But I was under the impression this area is some kind of crime cesspool and inconveniently located on the G train far from amenities. Am I utterly mistaken? Heather, can you shed some more light? Thank you!

Posted by: mopar at April 17, 2009 12:32 PM

Mopar... what do you want apartment buildings to look like? (new apartment buildings)

Posted by: tybur6 at April 17, 2009 12:48 PM

I don't see how being next to a school it that big a deal. It's loud from what, 7am to 2pm? Maybe 4pm? Those aren't exactly hours when I expect quiet and solitude out of New York. :)

Posted by: cwbuecheler at April 17, 2009 12:50 PM

Do you want them to look like the Fort Greene and Downtown buildings in the photos above? Is that your choice... large brick monsters?

Posted by: tybur6 at April 17, 2009 12:50 PM

Agree with cwb and others about the w'burg facade (sorry mopar). All it takes is some nice brick and good windows and window trim, and new construction can look really decent. THis look would look great in S. Slope/Greenwood too, if the developers could ever figure out how to line their buildings up with their neighbors. Modern can look good and be contextual -- it doesn't take much.

Posted by: slopefarm at April 17, 2009 12:59 PM

re Nforth - there's PS 17 and a middle school in one building across the street, and having lived near here and toured it, i feel like the children at both schools are very well behaved. The kids wear uniforms in fact. There's also a pre-school down the block - williamsburg northside. younger kids are not a problem. i can't see any problems living near these schools. Actually both schools are really good, and PS 17 is picture perfect looking - just a charming old school building.

Posted by: wine lover at April 17, 2009 1:01 PM

It's near the projects, Mopar, and there's some sketch stuff, but when we lived there (in 2001) it wasn't that bad except for the complete lack of decent food. But it's also close to the JMZ and Clinton Hill and Williamsburg. Sorta. I liked that neighborhood, everyone was very nice. That being said, it had its not-so-great moments. There was a dead dog in a vacant lot around the corner from us for about a week. Our neighbors got mugged coming home late one night, and then the muggers returned their wallet when they realized they lived on our block. Everyone at the bodega thought my husband (then boyfriend) was a cop. We lived on prego sauce, pasta and whatever urban organic would deliver. (One thing I love about them, they deliver everywhere in Brooklyn.) But all in all, I would probably move back there for a house. My husband feels differently.

Posted by: Heather at April 17, 2009 1:06 PM

quote:

I don't see how being next to a school it that big a deal.

youre kidding right? tell that to the people who get rocks and stuff thrown at them by big groups of uneducated students when they pass when school gets out! it happens ALL the time, especially at that horrible school on stanton street on the lower east side.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at April 17, 2009 1:20 PM

I've walked by about a zillion schools, playgrounds, etc in my life and have never had a rock thrown at me. Nor anything else for that matter.

Posted by: cwbuecheler at April 17, 2009 1:45 PM

I live across from an elementary school... and luckily the playground is on the back of the building. I agree with Rob, there's nothing more frightening than 12-18 year olds in packs. Seriously, they scare me.

But to poke at Mopar a little more -- mostly because I'm really really tired of hearing "that place is hideous" with no suggestion of what "good" would be... only negative statements. So, again, Mopar... or anyone else that thinks the W'burg building is a "hideous" abomination... What, pray tell, would be examples of beautiful or acceptable new construction for medium-large apartment buildings?!!

Please post links to photos. I'm sure there are plenty of examples of beauty. since you have such strong examples of what is hideous.

Posted by: tybur6 at April 17, 2009 1:46 PM

Bxgrl - yes i was a child once - and i was loud and annoying! (not much has changed)

"So, again, Mopar... or anyone else that thinks the W'burg building is a "hideous" abomination... What, pray tell, would be examples of beautiful or acceptable new construction for medium-large apartment buildings?!!"

Duh - every new construction condo is supposed to be made to look exactly like a brownstone, since that is the only acceptable form of housing in NYC!

Posted by: dirty_hipster at April 17, 2009 2:07 PM

What's hideous about it is the size of the apartments within. Next to a school, and yet impossible to live in with children.

Posted by: Heather at April 17, 2009 2:17 PM

The W'burg building is not good looking from the outside but it's probably good inside, given the large windows.

My vote for a good looking modern building would be the Toren on Flatbush and Myrtle. I would not choose to live in that location but the building itself is sleek and innovative. Also, in that location there is not a strong context provided by buildings, so that alleviates the concern about it clashing with the surroundings.

Posted by: etson at April 17, 2009 2:36 PM

I live right across from a public elementary school and there's never any notable noise or commotion, much less the roving child terror-packs that people are alluding to. It's actually quite nice, since it's a very low construction and thus doesn't block the sky/light as other 4-5 story buildings might.

Posted by: collin85 at April 17, 2009 2:38 PM

Yeah, the elementary schools are fine... though the recess period squealing isn't necessarily awesome. The roving packs of terror are the kids from the middle schools and high schools.

Speaking of which... Why does school get out at noon for so many students??!! When the school day is 3 hours long, how can you be surprised they are graduating idiots? I don't get it. (Random thought of the day.)

Posted by: tybur6 at April 17, 2009 3:01 PM

"there's nothing more frightening than 12-18 year olds in packs"

My girlfriend says and feels the exact same way. She thinks they are much more likely to pull some violent crap (like, shoot you) because they have nothing to lose, and are still young enough to be fearless. Granted, she's seen too many of those specials on tv about gangs, where they often brag about random violence towards unsuspecting folks.

(sorry to get off-topic)

Posted by: broadwayron at April 17, 2009 3:47 PM

pit bull, maybe some schools or kids are bad, but PS17 and MS577 that NForth is across from are not bad schools. check either insideschools.org or the DOE. the children exit the school in an orderly fashion monitored by the teachers (happened home early to witness this) and were released to waiting parents/care givers.

tyburg - is it that school gets out at noon, or are kids given a lunch break? my kid goes to a pre school thru 8th grade school now and they have lunch breaks and some kids do go home for lunch.

school lasts until mid-afternoon (2:30) except for morning only pre-k and that's 4 year olds!

Posted by: wine lover at April 17, 2009 4:01 PM

tybur6 - generally it's because they can't get a half-decent school budget passed, so they can't afford teachers, so they don't have enough classes to keep the kids in school for a full day.

It's not just an inner-city problem, either. Happened at my old school is suburban Massachusetts.

Posted by: cwbuecheler at April 17, 2009 4:26 PM

Wine Lover -- I'm talking about High School. And *done* for the day... maybe not everyday, but at least several days per week. And maybe it's not all grades, only seniors or something, but as far as I'm concerned there is NO reason for students to have a short school day!! Even if it's just Wednesday, and only seniors... shouldn't they actually be learning something instead of roaming the streets?!?!

Posted by: tybur6 at April 17, 2009 4:29 PM

Sorry, Tyburg, not to respond earlier, but I had to work. I like modern as well as historic. I think the Meier (sp?) building is very attractive. Also Brownstoner had a link once to an unusual apt building in downtown Brooklyn that was modern but had kind of an old looking cornice -- it was a modern version of a brownstone. I thought that was nice.

This place is cheap looking. It reminds me of some restaurants I've seen with what looks like pre-fab fronts. I'm not sure it's architect designed.

I do generally agree that a plain building with high ceilings, big windows, no fedders, and some nice trim can look very good. It doesn't have to cost a fortune.

I'm surprised to hear this area is any more dangerous than any other in New York, at least now. I'm in the area frequently -- not super late, but around 10 or so at night. It seems fine to me.

Posted by: mopar at April 17, 2009 6:20 PM

Sigh. Children in groups are not necessarily dangerous at all. I think some people on here need more exposure to ethnic groups that may be unfamiliar to them. Just because a group of kids may be latino or African American does not mean they are not good kids.

Posted by: mopar at April 17, 2009 6:25 PM

I think "Wurlitzer" whenever I see this building. I think there was a Pizza & Pipes where I grew up that was made of these pre-fab window sections.

Posted by: mopar at April 17, 2009 6:28 PM

Agree, mopar. The fear of kids is a little absurd. Yeah, they're loud. Yeah, they run in packs. Yeah, sometimes they do dumb stuff. That doesn't mean you have to cower in your house.

Posted by: Heather at April 17, 2009 7:17 PM

I don't know that my fear of teens in packs is irrational... and I really don't care what color they are. They can be white or a damn Beneton ad for all i care. All I know is that if I am walking down the street, the one situation that flips the "fight or flight" switch is 15-17 year olds in a pack just fucking around...

I hardly cower in my house, but that's the invincible age where accountability is not exactly at the front of your mind... add group mentality and boredom... well, I will continue being "en garde" walking through or near these groups....

That being said, with regard to smaller kids... Parents. Please listen to me!!

You know that scream that little girls let out when they're excited and playing with their friends?? That blood curdling squeal!? To my ear, that's the same sound a small girl would make if they were being raped or stabbed in the chest with a knife!! And that is how I react. BUT, it's seriously a 'boy who cried wolf' sort of thing.

Is there no way to "train" you daughters to scream differently?! I would like to help them if they are in trouble... but, basically, they sound like they are in trouble ALL THE TIME!! It's a odd request, but parents, give it a shot... just ask them, "Hey, can you scream less like you're being murdered when you're playing in the back garden?"

Posted by: tybur6 at April 17, 2009 7:47 PM

Oh, and Mopar, I hear you on the W'burg building looking a little "cheap," but hardly hideous.

I, for one, actually really really do not like the Meier building... the green glass thing at Grand Army Plaza, right? But I accept it as a quality building -- I would never call it hideous for that reason (though I think it has some serious issues). Is Beyonce really going to live there, btw?

The buildings I actually find "hideous" are these enormous monsters like the fort greene and downtown buildings pictured above. I couldn't imagine living in one of those and they are just so drab and oppressive looking. Aaack.

Posted by: tybur6 at April 17, 2009 7:56 PM

I just double checked the Williamsburg location. It's in the very heart of Williamsburg, only a few blocks from the Bedford L. How can you possibly say this is a particularly dangerous part of NYC? The biggest danger is being annoyed by throngs of drunken hipsters.

Posted by: mopar at April 17, 2009 11:15 PM

Whoops, sorry, Heather, just realized you were talking about Bed Stuy, not Williamsburg. Duh! So sorry! Thanks for the info.

Posted by: mopar at April 19, 2009 12:04 AM

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