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March 6, 2009
Unemployment Rate Hits 25-Year High
Pretty grim. The Times covers it here and its economics blog has this to say: "It’s still too early to call this the worst recession since the Great Depression. But it’s bad, and it’s still getting worse at a rapid rate." On a more positive note, a Siena College survey just found that New Yorkers' consumer confidence rose 3 percentage points last month, while the national rate fell 5 points.
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"a Siena College survey just found that New Yorkers' consumer confidence rose 3 percentage points last month, "
Last month? Shoot, my confidence rises and falls minute to minute.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at March 6, 2009 11:19 AM
Im extremely confident!...That I will have to flee the country once this mounting debt load comes due.
Posted by: newsouthsloper at March 6, 2009 11:23 AM
We still convinced that our homes are worth millions and millions. Maybe in Bananna Republic currency.
Posted by: hannible at March 6, 2009 11:26 AM
How's this for a theory...
... as population increases so will the % of layoffs in downturns. More people working, more to layoff...
25 years from now the population will be bigger so when we have another downturn I bet we'll see "Unemployment Rates hits highest level since 2009"
But then again, while the population increases the unemployment rate stays within a general percentage range, say 3-10%. So maybe 97% employment is the best we can ever do...
just thinking out loud...
Posted by: christopher at March 6, 2009 11:26 AM
Well can we say this is a trend? Like the Collapse of the Mutant Asset Bubble??? That's why the posts are up at Brownstoner! Now do you still believe that prices will hold up in "Brownstone Brooklyn"???? Dumbasses!!!!
The What (Taste the rainbow)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at March 6, 2009 11:31 AM
Christopher -
nemployment is based on the "pool" of eligible employees (i.e. 18-64, seeking employment, legal citizen, not in jail, etc.)
This pool has undoubtably shrunk in the last 20 or so years.
Posted by: newsouthsloper at March 6, 2009 11:32 AM
"Now do you still believe that prices will hold up in "Brownstone Brooklyn"????"
That would be a resounding no for me, What. Can you pass me some skittles please?
Posted by: Biff Champion at March 6, 2009 11:44 AM
Christopher, its the rate that has increased.
Posted by: dittoburg at March 6, 2009 11:44 AM
"That would be a resounding no for me, What. Can you pass me some skittles please?"
No Biff, The skittle I'm talking about comes from the Ass of the Unicorn. That's the whole joke Biff. Dumbasses looking for the Skittle S****ing Unicorn! But Biff these are some strange days and I hope we can make it thru no matter what I say...
The What (Taste the rainbow)
Someday this war is gonna end..
Posted by: Return of The What at March 6, 2009 11:51 AM
newsouthsloper,
I agree about the definition of pool, but I would argue the pool is actually larger than it was 20 years ago.
The '90s had the biggest population boom in American history, greatly raising the level of entry level employees in the 18-64 metric.
Also, people are living longer and retiring later so the % of 55-65 year old's working today is higher than 20 years ago when the "normal" retirement age was 55 (instead of 62 as it is today).
As of 2007 60% of the population was between age 20-64.
I think the pool is greatly increased compared to 1988.
Posted by: christopher at March 6, 2009 11:52 AM
Christopher, your post makes no sense. You need to distinguish between the number of unemployed humans and the percent that is unemployed.
Posted by: lechacal at March 6, 2009 11:53 AM
i would guess that most of us are beyond worrying about prices in brownstone brooklyn holding up and are more focused on the basics of employment, health and yes happiness despite it all.
Posted by: wasder at March 6, 2009 12:06 PM
In 1998 there were roughly 136.3 million people in the American workforce (includes unemployed).
As of 2008 it's roughly 155.2 million.
(CIA World Fact Book numbers)
My point is these numbers are all relative. We have a higher rate of unemployment but also higher rate of employable people.
So when the economy turns around there will still be unemployed regardless of the size of the workforce.
There will never be zero unemployment and generally the numbers lag enough, and don't take into consideration things like sell employed starting a business, etc.
Yeah it sucks, but you know what it is a cycle. I think if nothing else this shows that this downturn will end, and as much as it sucks, we'll probably have another one on another 25 years. It's the cycle of the economy.
Posted by: christopher at March 6, 2009 12:09 PM
U6 has is now 16% - and that's before adjustment....
Posted by: the chicken at March 6, 2009 12:10 PM
Absolutely correct wasder!
Posted by: bren at March 6, 2009 12:14 PM
cheap happiness:
books
coffee in the morning
sunshine when you haven't seen it for days
spring buds in the park
friends
eating with friends
comedy
Posted by: dittoburg at March 6, 2009 12:19 PM
More cheap happiness:
gardening
listening to (local) live music
better yet, making music
a walk thru town
a picnic
un-fancy travel
good movies
dancing
riding over the Manhattan Bridge at night
Posted by: kingston at March 6, 2009 1:15 PM
Oh yes, gardening. Good one Kingston.
I wish I could make music, I'm sure its very pleasurable.
Posted by: dittoburg at March 6, 2009 1:28 PM
Real unemployment and underemployment is really 14.9%.
Posted by: gwbrubaker at March 6, 2009 1:36 PM
Real unemployment and underemployment is 14.9%.
Posted by: gwbrubaker at March 6, 2009 1:36 PM
Cats purring on your chest.
Painting the bedroom a perfect color.
Friends.
Family.
A roof over my head and cat food in the pantry.
Posted by: bxgrl at March 6, 2009 1:48 PM
Painting the cat.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at March 6, 2009 2:08 PM
That leaves 85% of the population employed.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at March 6, 2009 2:09 PM
And 15% with torches and pitchforks coming after the those 85%.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at March 6, 2009 2:15 PM
That leaves 85% of the population employed.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at March 6, 2009 2:09 PM
Nope. According to CIA World Factbook, 27% of the population is under 19 and 13% is over 65. The unemployment rate only applies to the population of working age - over 16 so there's a bit of overlap.
If we say 24% is under 16 then about 63% of the population is of employment age. 16% of these are unemployed under the BLS' U6 definition (although shadowstats puts it closer to 19%), so only 53% of the population is employed.
Posted by: the chicken at March 6, 2009 2:36 PM
With that in mind, chicken, I'm opening my new web store, Pitchforks4less.com.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at March 6, 2009 2:44 PM
careful snarky, you stand to make a killing...
Posted by: the chicken at March 6, 2009 3:22 PM
I suggest a three-pronged business plan if you don't want to get skewered by the competition.
Posted by: dittoburg at March 6, 2009 3:39 PM
lol snark an outstanding week for you!
Posted by: infinitejester at March 6, 2009 5:16 PM

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