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March 2, 2009
House of the Day: 691 St. Johns Place

This limestone house at 691 St. Johns Place in Crown Heights is a real looker. The legal three-family, currently used as two, has beaucoup original details (love that parlor floor wood work!) and an extra-deep lot to boot. The asking price is $869,000. We can't think of any good comps for this from the last couple of months so it will be interesting to see how it fares on the market. What do you think?
691 St. Johns Place [Brown Harris Stevens] GMAP P*Shark
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Loving it.
Posted by: Atlantic Frantic at March 2, 2009 2:18 PM
It's very, very pretty. But both apartments are best used by singles or a couple without children. Neither seems well suited to family living. I guess that's fine if the price is no object.
Posted by: mopar at March 2, 2009 2:36 PM
am I the only one that isn't fond of the neon-lime green walls in the bedroom?
the lot is CRAZY deep though!
nice facade!
Posted by: gemini10 at March 2, 2009 2:52 PM
So, realistically this place consists of 2 one bedroom apartments.
Are 1br apts going for $430k at this location these days?
Posted by: SnarkSlope at March 2, 2009 2:59 PM
The house has beautiful details. The top floor apartment is nicely laid out. The thing is, the owners portion needs some reworking. The layout is not being used to its potential. I'd rather have the renter in the garden apt. and have the deck to the backyard set-up. So all in all I wouldn't want to pay this price and then have to make those changes.
Very pretty house though.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at March 2, 2009 3:05 PM
They did all that in the kitchen and put down (or left) linoleum?
Weird layout for a 2fam, seems more suitable if converted to a 1fam. Add the money to do that and needs a price chop.
Posted by: denton at March 2, 2009 3:05 PM
I still can't wrap my head around the real estate market behind a place like this. Sold for $700,000 in 2006. That is a 24% increase in three years?
Posted by: serpentor at March 2, 2009 3:09 PM
Very nice details, good facade and that yard is real cool but $869K??? Nope.
Serpentor we see what you are saying...a lot of folks still don't get it; prices are down and are continuing to fall. Even though the owners did some upgrades they purchased at or around the peak. This place has depreciated in this market to completely nullify the upgrades...YES zero growth...not worth a penny more than $700K in our opinion and that is being very generous.
Posted by: pierre de taille at March 2, 2009 3:22 PM
Brownstoner:
This looks like an attractive corner of my old neighborhood, Crown Heights, where I grew up during the 1950s.
I especially like the short streets leading into St. John's, giving it a character similar to the the "place" streets in Park Slope.
And zoom in on the Google aerial. The blocks are full of backyard trees, nice counterpoints to the limestone-fronted streets.
Ideally this would be a single family house, or have an owner's duplex with a rental unit at "garden level" (with a screened in patio for the renter's use, leaving the rest of the yard for the owner).
But today's stock market is down to 1997 levels! People are losing boat loads of money, and there's no sign of let up.
Expect price percent reductions in the double digits across all of New York over the next 12 to 18 months -- and plan accordingly.
(Along Park Avenue owners are pulling apartments for sale because there are no buyers. Even the fabled Astor apartment has been reduced by a third -- and this is a penthouse directed at a market for whom "money is no object"!)
Nostalgic in Park Avenue
Posted by: NOP at March 2, 2009 3:26 PM
NOP, I love your insights. Will you consider joining us on March 19 at the next gathering?
Posted by: Biff Champion at March 2, 2009 3:39 PM
Nope that is some sobering news out there and the hemorrhaging in the jobs department continues...may GOD help us all.
Posted by: pierre de taille at March 2, 2009 3:42 PM
The light fixture in the kitchen seems wrong. Love the fireplace.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at March 2, 2009 3:58 PM
Thanks for the invitation, Biff. I won't be in town March 19, but Brownstoners will have a lot to talk about that evening, given the state of the market!
And Pierre, a house like this offers an interesting opportunity: an inter-generational household in which a family with kids lives in the "duplex" and grandparents live at the garden level, helping to reduce expenses while consolidating assets.
This was a typical pattern in Crown Heights during the 1950s, when mortgages for places in racially-integrated neighborhoods were hard to get. Between generations there might be enough cash to own a house free and clear, while kids had the advantage of elders in their day-to-day life and the "grands" were watched over by their adult children.
My family lived in an apartment, so this wasn't our pattern, but several of my friends with houses did. And it was fun to sit at the dining table with youngsters and old people. It made even ordinary days Thanksgiving!
And it needn't be intergenerational. Sibs might share a house like this and, if there are kids, rotate care-giving responsibilities.
I'd still wait on purchasing, though. Prices will tumble between 25% and 50% from their current reduced levels -- possibly more! -- and will take a long time to recover. Remember the late 80s - early 90s? And that recession was relatively soft, not the world-wide crash we see today.
I had dinner with Sister Woman my last visit to New York. The East Side restaurant, ordinarily very popular, was half empty. "It's been this way," she said, "ever since the nonsense started."
"That's what we'll call it," I said. "The Nonsense Decade."
She agreed.
Welcome to the Nonsense Decade!
NOP
Posted by: NOP at March 2, 2009 4:32 PM
550K
Posted by: jingle mail at March 2, 2009 6:00 PM
"But today's stock market is down to 1997 levels! People are losing boat loads of money, and there's no sign of let up.
Expect price percent reductions in the double digits across all of New York over the next 12 to 18 months -- and plan accordingly.
(Along Park Avenue owners are pulling apartments for sale because there are no buyers. Even the fabled Astor apartment has been reduced by a third -- and this is a penthouse directed at a market for whom "money is no object"!)"
Nolongerbullish On ParkAve
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at March 2, 2009 9:18 PM
Townhouse Lady, that is a smart idea about the layout.
Posted by: mopar at March 2, 2009 9:38 PM
This block is really tucked quietly out of the way on a very consistent block, which is quite rare in this area. The sidewalks are wide and it seems to be mostly elderly homeowners and some new families. the little Saint Francis Place and Saint Charles Place are adorable as well. never really anyone out on the sidewalk beside a cute grandma or a cute old grandpa waving hello. it's a treat when i walk by. I'm not far down St. Johns but we've always envied the lot sizes on this block and The details are just splendid. i cant afford it but a full Magnolia and Nectarine tree in that big backyard may get me to pinch my pennies and make it work :) Franklin Ave's turn is definitely happening also.
Posted by: henryhideaway at March 2, 2009 11:14 PM

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