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February 26, 2009
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Seeing the early start DIBS and The What got off to in the first thread today, I was reminded by the old Sheepdog and Wolf cartoon. Remember the two of them, Sam and Ralph, would exchange pleasantries, punch into work, try to kill each other all day long, and then punch out and say goodnight?
http://tinyurl.com/2x5ule
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 9:21 AM
Make that "reminded of"...
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 9:24 AM
Good thing you corrected that. I was going to launch into a tirade about the grammatical error next :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 9:26 AM
Biff, Sam and Ralph were far more civil!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 9:26 AM
re: that new sex club in brooklyn that was talked about here (or maybe somewhere else?) yesterday. i just read about it in the ny times. it looks hysterical. ive never been to a sex club but i think i want to go to this one and see what it's like (not to participate tho!). but i love watching all kinds of porn and i think it would be funny to see it live. the thing is i thought these places werent allowed to run anymore? im glad they do exist tho. the thing i find annoying is the pricing
single men - 90 dollars (WHOA!)
couples - 40 dollars. wtf?
"hot sex club gold females"? - free :-/ should i put on a wig and some acrylic heels to try to get in for free? does anyone wanna come along with me so we can get the 40 dollar discount? hahahah
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 9:32 AM
What new sex club??? Given what is allowed in NYC titty bars I suspect this will be a giant rip off. You got to go to Canada (or bangkok, even better) for good sex clubs. Right, Biff?
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 9:35 AM
i could have sworn there was a blog post here yesterday about it, unless it was a link to another blog... maybe that was it.. it might have linked to curbed, but i was shocked to see the ny times article portraying it in such a positive light! maybe old school nyc really IS coming back?! this club is near the BQE. maybe that will become the new old school time square. that would rock so hard!
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 9:36 AM
Did I just log-on as PitbullNYC and post that?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 9:37 AM
Yes, I saw it too on Gothamist.. They even had a 360 degree of the place. http://gothamist.com/2009/02/25/brooklyn_sex_club_has_good_times_bu.php
Posted by: SouthParker at February 26, 2009 9:38 AM
A friend of mine and her girlfriend go to sex clubs a few times a year. From what she tells me, there are plenty of them in NYC - they are just underground and 'members only.' I guess it's all about who you know to find them and get an invitation. Apparently there are several types - my friend goes to the one where you just watch folks go at it then go home with your own sweetie pie and let 'er rip!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 9:40 AM
is BRG basically saying she will do dutch for the discount with me!?! yay!
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 9:40 AM
Gowanus is the new Times Square, smut capitol of the Big Ap.
Posted by: christopher at February 26, 2009 9:41 AM
DIBS, I understand that Canadians are all law-abiding, morally upstanding people. Salt of the earth types. Until they don skates and a hockey stick, that is.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 9:43 AM
Did I just log-on as InsertSnappyNameHere and post that (9:40)?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 9:43 AM
"observes the usual out-of-shape, middle-age group sex action you'd expect, .... "Everybody comes here: cops, postmen, bus drivers. "
Sounds really, really enticing!!!! NOT
Probably those cops, postmen and bus drivers are still on the clock as well. Shall I start on the unions now????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 9:44 AM
DIBS, you read my mind. Other than you tired union-bashing crapola, of course.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 26, 2009 9:45 AM
yeah sadly for dave the barely legal bangcockians arent allowed in :(
and dave, you are seriously coming undone in the other threads.
*r*
(im sticking here today. i think this day is going to be a roller coaster for some reason). the moon must be in weird allignment or something.
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 9:45 AM
BRG, snap to it! Are you having a Sybil moment? :)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 9:46 AM
"that would rock so hard!
- Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 9:36 AM"
Someone sure needs to go to that club...and soon!
Rob, I'm going to pass on going to the club with you. I doubt they'd believe we're a couple.
Ah Snappy honey, What are you doing Friday night?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 9:47 AM
You guys, I need a zen transplant. Anybody have any spare zen? I seem to have misplaced by easy-going wasder mojo. This f-in economy gots me down!
Posted by: wasder at February 26, 2009 9:49 AM
ha! I can't see myself in a boing-boing joint! I get embarassed when my friend tells me what she sees there!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 9:50 AM
Snark, I had to questions/requests for you yesterday.
1) Can you suggest a name for the gathering on March 19?
2) Will you be attending? Perhaps you can be enticed if I promise to give you this award, tiara and all...
http://tinyurl.com/ceknsr
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 9:50 AM
"two questions"...YIKES!
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 9:51 AM
"BRG, snap to it! Are you having a Sybil moment? :)"
Who me??? Never!
First Rob posted at 9:32 and it sounded like something I would post and then Snappy at 9:40, again sounded like something I'd say.
btw - I only have / use one log-in name ;-)
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 9:52 AM
Snark...read my response to you in the Thursday Links :)
rob...I'm not into the barely legal crowd. They get really tedious really fast. They all start to sound like a lot of your posts. gimmie a good 30 something anyday and I'm happy. :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 9:52 AM
wasder- wine and tranquilizers? I think the zen atmosphere went out the window with the plant I threw. Can you grit your teeth and say ommmmm at the same time while twisting the neck of your favorite teddy bear (steiff)? Will that work?
Posted by: bxgrl at February 26, 2009 9:54 AM
Snark will want the gown also!
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 9:54 AM
What was the Times angle, rob? It seems odd. To report on the opening of one of these dinosaurs given that "anyone" can come to this one, given they've got 90 bucks to spare. Sort of reminiscent of Trapeze or some of the old school sex clubs in San Fran during the early 90's or the non-safe ones in the mid 70's, of which there were MANY.
Most of the clubs these days are by invite only and tend to encourage "hotness" to a huge degree.
Biff, I loved those cartoons! You just made my day.
Posted by: Nokilissa at February 26, 2009 9:54 AM
Wasder, I reclaim my zen feeling by going to the Brooklyn Botanical Garden. Outside of the symphony (with Maazel conducting of course) there is no greater sense of release. Take a walk through there for at least one hour and I dare you to even conjure up a bad image/thought. It's impossible in that place. So beautiful. So peaceful. Ok, so now you all know where I'll be this weekend.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 9:55 AM
"I get embarassed when my friend tells me what she sees there!"
I guess I can never tell you things....drat!
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 9:56 AM
Brooklyn Botanical Garden is a good idea snappy, although wine and tranquilizers don't sound too bad either. I am also going to take a vow of celibacy against getting into it with What or BHO (who I am starting to think are the same person again).
Posted by: wasder at February 26, 2009 9:58 AM
biff- PLEASE!! Mr. Snark gives out tiaras- according to the rules, only the sponsor of a major award such as SOTD ( of which I..ahem...am the first recipient) may give out a tiara.
(oh please, biff- you call that a tiara?) hmmfph
Posted by: bxgrl at February 26, 2009 9:58 AM
I usually go to Rick's on 33rd (?) street with my Asian friends. Probably the classiest of all the titty bars but that may be an oxymoron as well.
Speaking of morons, where did the What go???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 9:58 AM
"Most of the clubs these days are by invite only and tend to encourage "hotness" to a huge degree."
I should check with Floyd NY to see if they have any minimum standards regarding appearance (I'm shooting for the new SOTD - Setup of the Day)
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 9:59 AM
Title:
Recession depression busting mutant asshat trough-side gathering.
Posted by: Nokilissa at February 26, 2009 9:59 AM
BRG,I can't help it! There's just something blush-worthy about tales of piles of naked girls and random boobie antics!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 9:59 AM
Snappy....I should take you to Bangkok some day.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 10:01 AM
> Will you be attending?
Yes.
> Can you suggest a name for the gathering on March 19?
ButSnarkSaidHeWouldBeHereSoWhereTheHellIsHePalooza?
Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 26, 2009 10:01 AM
BB Garden, one of my other favorite places in Brooklyn...and it's free on Saturday mornings before noon.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 10:01 AM
ah- another day, another conversation of great intellectual import :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at February 26, 2009 10:01 AM
Wasder, start at the gardens, then go home to the wine and xanax :) Also, ignoring the What, BHO, Cornerbodega, et al I'm sure will help immensely!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 10:01 AM
"Outside of the symphony (with Maazel conducting of course) there is no greater sense of release."
Sorry, I am confused with all of the messages above. Are you referring to the Brooklyn Botanical Garden or the club to which Rob referred?
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 10:01 AM
quote:
rob...I'm not into the barely legal crowd. They get really tedious really fast. They all start to sound like a lot of your posts.
oh was that the sound of me being burned? ha! i've heard it all before dave! yeah yeah i come across like a junior high school girl in my posts! big deal! when you think about it junior high school girls in essence run culture.
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 10:02 AM
1) Can you suggest a name for the gathering on March 19?
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 9:50 AM
"Brownstone Sex Club"?
Posted by: christopher at February 26, 2009 10:03 AM
DIBS, something tells me Bangkok would scare me!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 10:03 AM
rob- I hope you mean the kind of culture found in a petri dish, not general society.
Posted by: bxgrl at February 26, 2009 10:03 AM
Anyone ever been to Greenwood Cemetery? Is it really worth visiting? (I mean for a day, not permanently).
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 10:04 AM
The Brooklyn Botanical Garden, Biff. That would be an interesting name for a boing-boing club though!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 10:04 AM
someone's wearing horse-blinkers today
Posted by: dittoburg at February 26, 2009 10:04 AM
rob does have a good point. Access Hollywood and E and all that crap basically look like some teen girl magazine. Mario Lopez though is HOT.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 10:05 AM
Chin up, wasder.
I know we are all soaking in a media stew of financial doom, but there is good news out there to be had.
Last month I started a new gig that is much more enjoyable and significantly better paying than my last job.
Here's wishing the same good fortune to you, and all the other good folks here.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 26, 2009 10:05 AM
Snark, I love the hilarious suggestion but I'm afraid it's a bit too long and will run up the cost of printing the flyers!
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 10:05 AM
Biff,
Green-wood is to die!
sorry, it really is worth it.
they have bus tours that are actually very funny if you, you know, get into it.
So is there any GOOD news today?
Is spring on schedule to return or has Wall Street f--d that up as well?
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 10:06 AM
> Is spring on schedule to return or has Wall Street f--d that up as well?
I am sorry to report that spring was securitized and the tranches sold to several small Norwegian villages.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 26, 2009 10:10 AM
"So is there any GOOD news today?
Is spring on schedule to return or has Wall Street f--d that up as well?"
The explosion of the Mutant Asset Bubble is great news! Man I'm so happy!!!!
The What (Zippy do da!)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 10:11 AM
christopher, I'll take that suggestion under advisement. Maybe we should stick with the original suggestion that is relatively close to yours...
The Keep F*cking Around Party.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 10:11 AM
Thanks snark. Its not often that I get rattled like this but the recession has definitely done a doozy on my business, at least until summer when all the big rock concerts happen and I know I have business lined up. Plus this morning my nearly 3 year old drove me to the limit. Hence my grouchiness.
And yes, I have had it up to here with discussing how crappy the economy is with anyone. I am going to stick to calmer waters.
Posted by: wasder at February 26, 2009 10:12 AM
What, will you be joining us at the next gathering? Perhaps you and DIBS can play a game of bocce while sipping Guinness.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 10:13 AM
Good morning folks;
Keep the chin up! Put things in perspective. Remember, this country has been through alot: civil war, WWII, multiple great depressions (we tend to talk about the Great Depression of the 1920's, but the ones in the 19th century were actually alot worse). Whenever I'm down about things, I always think about what my dad went through: born into a broken immigrant family, grew up in the depression, and then was drafted into WWII at the age of 17, and shipped off to fight in his parent's home country (Italy). I could also tell you stories about what his family went through working in the factories of Red Hook. Thinking about that puts things in perspective for me.
Snark: I have a follow-up comment to you on the thread about Gailbraith and Krugman.
Posted by: benson at February 26, 2009 10:17 AM
"Biff,
Green-wood is to die!"
sam- for shame.
And yes, biff- Greenwood is truly worthy of a trip.
Posted by: bxgrl at February 26, 2009 10:19 AM
If I used that "Zippy(sic) Do Da" line you'd call me a racist. Please, at least learn the proper line!!!!!
Maybe I can share a Black & Tan with you.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 10:19 AM
In all seriousness, I think the What would be a fun drinking buddy.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 10:20 AM
Perhaps you two can sip Manasshattans instead of Guinness.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 10:22 AM
thinking about things like that don't put things into perspective for me, benson. people back then were studier, more resilient to hard times, and in general more well-rounded when it comes to survival. what are glorified paper-pushers of today's society to do if things really DO get tough? and back then joining in a war (granted if you got out of it alive) gave you and your family a set steady income for life, no? i dont know about that last part im sort of just assuming that there are great benefits to people who join the military and army and stuff. hells the janitor at my job was in the military and he gets to go to this special supermarket near the fort hamilton parkway(?) that has special prices for people and their families who were inlisted. he told me the prices of food i was like wow that's awesome!. okay that was a tangent, but the thing is that i think we not prepared for hard times because as a peoples we've become lazy in general. that's why crime was so rampant in the 70s and 80s. the 50s caused us to be so leisure-like and expect life to be a fairy tale. for 99.9 percent of people life is HARD and always a struggle. if you think life is supposed to be easy and youre not prepared to struggle and put hard work and effort to gain a minimal amount of sufficiency it's so much easier to turn to crime and drugs.
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 10:24 AM
I am sorry to report that spring was securitized and the tranches sold to several small Norwegian villages.
-this is very clever!
I'm sure those Norwegian Villages could use it as much as anyone, but what are "tranches"?
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 10:24 AM
Greenwood Cemetery:
One of my favorite places in Brooklyn (I’ve only said it on here a zillion times). Definitely worth the trip. If you're walking, wear comfortable shoes and be prepared for very hilly long walks (the place is huge).
Truthfully, hubby and I drive in, and drive around. We pull over by the side, park and walk a bit.
- Grab a map of the celebrities buried there and go on a hunt for their graves.
- Walk up the steps of Mausoleums and peer through the windows to see beautiful stained glass.
- Pack a lunch, sit by one of the lakes and enjoy the tranquility.
It’s stunningly beautiful in every season.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 10:36 AM
uh i think it's pretty disrespectful to eat in a cemetary. actually i think it's sorta wrong to just walk around and gawk there. unless youre into tombsex or something, i dont think it's a very nice thing to do.
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 10:37 AM
Here's a story the What is going to love.
Did you all see this in the NYT today? About the de-gentrification of one of those cutesy creative-class neighborhoods in Los Angeles. You know, the ones with the yarn stores and gift shops nobody really needs.
If this link doesn't work, it's in the Styles section.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/fashion/26eaglerock.html?_r=1&8dpc
Posted by: mopar at February 26, 2009 10:38 AM
Anyone ever been to Morningwood Cemetary??
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 10:38 AM
BRG, did you see my answer to your question about the house a couple days ago?
We've decided to go ahead and buy the place.
But only on the condition they let us have a second inspection and it does not reveal advanced termite infestation and foundation problems (the walls are bowing, so the first inspector said we should get a second opinion).
The place has been empty for a long time. We know there's a little termite problem and we can deal with it, but our nightmare is opening the walls to put in the new electrical and finding every one wriggling with thousands of termites. AAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUGGHHHHHHHHHH.
Posted by: mopar at February 26, 2009 10:43 AM
Many of you have waxed poetic about Toto toilets on various threads.
Here's an update on the company....
Executive Vice President Uzuka gave a solid presentation to a small group of 20-30 investors. Toto is Japan’s largest maker of sanitary ware, including toilets and sinks. Like many companies in Japan, they company is suffering from current weakness in the housing market, but longer-term, domestic remodeling and oversea markets are growth areas to look forward to.
Uzuka-san explained that one of the reasons for Toto’s strength is their ability to propose a new lifestyle. Toto has won various prizes for innovative technologies, including “Washlet” toilets, which now has a 70% penetration in the domestic market since its launch 30 years ago. Toto is also proposing for a “washlet” culture overseas, and sales have been steadily growing from ~50k units in 2003, to now over 300k units in the overseas market.
Near-term: Toto recently revised down their FY outlook, and now looks for a 70% drop in earnings on a 6% sales decline. Although they will be benefiting from ¥3.7b cost reduction, negative factors like sales decline, price cuts, and increase material prices are much larger.
Domestic market (sales breakdown: remodeling 52%, new housing 30%): Toto admits that there is not much prospect for new housing starts to grow again (despite various efforts made by the government) due to declining population and the number of house stocks (47m) exceeding the number of households (54m). Growth in domestic market will come from “remodeling”. Remodeling demand is expected to grow because of the increase in number of houses that are older than 15 years. Toto estimates this demand to be 1.6m/year.
Overseas (13% of sales): more exciting growth market. North & Central America and China accounts for majority of sales, and sales in these markets are expected to increase 18% and 3% respectably on local currency base for FY3/09. Toto’s competitive edge in the oversea market lies in their technology including ultra water-conservative toilets (20% reduction in water usage). Some cities have introduced a subsidy for this.
North & Central America (41% of overseas sales): Toto’s focus here is in the high-end market, with 28% market share. Co’s ultra-water conservative toilet has received a high evaluation, and California decided to make it obligatory to install 4.8% per flush toilets from 2011.
China (36% of oversea sales): Focus is also on high end, with 38% market share. Company is leveraging TV commercials and showrooms to promote their product. Margins are high in this market due to better sales mix of high-end products like washlets.
Other overseas markets with growth opportunities are Europe (since 2008), UAE (since 2005), India (since 2001). Europe is the world’s largest market (44% of the global market) and is a highly competitive for high-end brands, but Toto expects sales to reach ¥10b sales in this region in FY2011
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 10:44 AM
Rob, the Victorians loved to go and gawk at cemeteries. They kept lockets with the hair of their dead relatives in them too. But they claim to have been not so big on the sex clubs.
Posted by: mopar at February 26, 2009 10:44 AM
good one dave. (i bet that went over most peoples heads tho)
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 10:45 AM
r, r, r......
what are we going to do with you?
Green-wood cemetery was specifically designed for strolling, gazing and picnicing. Before there was a Prospect Park, Brooklyn families would pack a lunch and head for Green-wood for the afternoon, maybe to say hello to the ancestors, maybe not, but definitely to enjoy nature and see a beautiful romantic landscape. Really, that was the reason the cemetery was designed so beautifully and romantically. Google Green-wood and read about it, it is very interesting. You would like it, there are no horses. Although there are wild turkeys here and there.
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 10:45 AM
I can't help but smile when I see a story about a toilet company that begins with the line, "Executive Vice President Uzuka gave a solid presentation"
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 10:48 AM
Rob,
Actually, I think wandering through cemeteries, gazing at tombstones, reading what people have written to their loved ones through the ages and into death is a wonderful way to think about death. It is usually avidly avoided and sanitized and stripped of all reality. In a cemetery, there it is. Bam. Life, death, loss, love, pain.
I'm a little biased right now. We just buried my grandmother on Saturday in her favorite cemetery, right between her husband and her son.
Greenwood is an amazing place for peace and reflection. Go!
Posted by: Nokilissa at February 26, 2009 10:50 AM
Yes, on every Toto toilet there's a separate flush for "solids" and "liquids." I'm just never sure what one to use when its in between.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 10:50 AM
10:48, Biff, HA! Coffee slightly sprayed my screen.
Posted by: Nokilissa at February 26, 2009 10:52 AM
Père Lachaise in Paris is one of the most popular tourist destinations in that city and perhaps the most well known cemetery in the world. I don't feel it's disrespectful to go there and view the grounds and tombstones. It was a thrill for me to visit the resting sites of Edith Piaf, Chopin, and many other fascinating individuals, including one of my idols, Oscar Wilde.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 10:53 AM
dave, stop it right now.
You are getting gross.
thank you
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 10:55 AM
Biff...you and I should get together for a drink at OW Bar (ormerly Oscar Wilde) someday.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 10:56 AM
Woodlawn in the Bronx is quite beautiful and has many celebs buried there too.
Posted by: bxgrl at February 26, 2009 10:56 AM
Rob, you are such a child sometimes.
I suggest you research the history of Greenwood and then go visit.
I go to cemeteries often; it's not out of disrespect, but out of respect. It's very tranquil and peaceful.
Greenwood was founded in the late 1830’s. In the 1850’s, New Yorker’s flocked to it as a tourist destination and it was used for picnicking by the masses. There weren’t any public parks then!
Greenwood promotes tours!
Geez, I’m not saying go run amok in there and act like an idiot. I’m saying go enjoy looking at some great architecture, enjoy the peaceful outdoors and maybe reflect on life a bit.
If you’re into architectural styles, the mausoleums and headstones will impress you. You can find all styles here. Use the main entrance on 5th Avenue. The gates are beautiful and in the Gothic Revival Style.
I guess someone should tell Arlington Cemetery not to let in the ‘tourists’.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 10:58 AM
Noki, my condolences re: your grandmother as well.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 10:59 AM
Biff, when is your "Hotties and Asshats Reunion"? And where eactly is the Floyd's of which you speak?
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 11:00 AM
sam, I'm surprised you don't know Floyd NYC. It's on Atlantic (north side) between Henry and Clinton. It will began at 6pm (for those who can only attend early) and go as long as people care to stay (for those who can only go later). here is the website...will you attend?
http://www.floydny.com/
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 11:02 AM
Don't mind Rob - he has a propensity to dislike anything that is liked by more then 5 people.
Posted by: dirty_hipster at February 26, 2009 11:02 AM
Noki, so sorry to hear about your grandmother.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 11:03 AM
My husband told me the toilet in his ex-girlfriends home back in Japan was so advanced he needed a tutorial just so he could "go".
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 11:06 AM
rob...there are no horses in the cemetaries.
Nokilissa, my condolences on your grandmother.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 11:06 AM
Noki, my condolences.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 11:07 AM
Yes, woodlawn is also gorgeous.
Hubby and I were in Staten Island once and came across a cemetery. We went in and it was what you saw in scary movies, with the overgrown grass and headstones knocked over. It was quite sad, but yet it was surreal. I wish I remembered the name of it, so I can go back. It was a small cemetery....anyone?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 11:09 AM
Supposedly for a time Greenwood was the second most popular tourist destination in New York, Niagara Falls being the most popular. My father was a funeral director and sadly most cemeteries get visited only by relatives or the parks department.
Posted by: infinitejester at February 26, 2009 11:10 AM
Biff,
I don't live in Brooklyn Heights any more, and I never ever went out drinking on Atlantic Avenue. I guess it's because I always worked in Manhattan and on the rare occasion that I went to a bar, I did so after work in that other Boro.
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 11:10 AM
Widen your horizons, sam.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 11:11 AM
Noki;
Sorry to hear about your loss.
Re: Greenwood. As the Brooklyn Historical Society points out in their great book of photos "Old Brooklyn": in Victorian times, cemeteries were considered to be like a park, and were often a place where people would stroll on a Sunday. Greenwood was built with this function in mind. In the BHS' book, they have photos of folks strolling around in Greenwood.
Posted by: benson at February 26, 2009 11:13 AM
FYI - Greenwood is one of the more expensive cemeteries in NYC for plots.
When I heard the price, I nearly died.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 11:14 AM
^^^ okay, that was bad....so sorry
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 11:14 AM
sam, understood. I hope you can make it.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 11:15 AM
I had always suspected there was a mutant cemetary plot bubble.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 11:17 AM
Condolences, Noki.
Posted by: bxgrl at February 26, 2009 11:19 AM
Rob, please go, and report back (but don't go on your skateboard)
http://www.green-wood.com/
http://www.pbase.com/marchael/greenwood
-The photo labelled 'Standing Guard' is one of my favorite mausoleum there...oh, those dogs!
http://www.bslaweb.org/webart/AwardWinners2006/Green-WoodCemetery.gif
- Tell me you don't want to sit there?? Where this photo is being taken from are mausoleums tucked into the hillside....beautiful. Benches right there...so yes, bring a lunch.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 11:25 AM
Nolilissa, my condolences as well.
In Victorian times, life was short anyway. People had a lot of kids because they knew many of them would not make it to adulthood, this went for rich and poor alike. If you made it to 60, you were fortunate, there were many fewer truly old people. Plus, birth and death were all around. You gave birth at home, you died at home, and were laid out in the living room. So a peaceful, beautifully landscaped cemetary was not seen as gruesome or morbid. If heaven is a garden where departed loved ones could be met, places like Green-Wood and Woodlawn were as close as could be approximated. Read some mid 19th century poetry. Tombs, death and departed loves were the topics of all the major poets and writers, from Poe to Tennyson, Byron, etc. It's rather fascinating.
I've never been to Green-Wood, but it's been on my list for a long time. Anytime any wants to do a field trip....I used to live near Woodlawn Cemetary in the Bronx. It is also full of fascinating monuments and mauseleums with beautiful stained glass and carvings, drooping angels and huge monuments to the rich and famous. It's also very peaceful, and a great walking tour of art and history.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 26, 2009 11:26 AM
MM, you should go in the spring when the cherry blossoms are in bloom. Take sainted tenant and make her dust the paths before you walk on them.
Hubby and I go quite often, it's a 5 minute car ride away for us, and if we're not doing anything and just want to go sit somewhere and enjoy the outdoors, we go there.
If you want to go, let me know and we'll set a date. I can get 6 adults comfortably in my jalopy, anyone else?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 11:38 AM
It's a date, BRG.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 26, 2009 11:40 AM
Dave,
I do need to broaden my horizons.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Never been to a sex club, never been to a bar on Atlantic Avenue, never been to Bangkok.......or used a Toto with the water jets aimed at one's tutu.
but I have been to Greenwood cemetery several times and have pictures of the parrots.......
sheesh, depressing.
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 11:41 AM
I'll let you all know when the cherry blossoms are out in Philadelphia...it'll be 2 weeks later here in NYC.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 11:41 AM
i know most people don't open the third and bored thread, but i might need back up in this one!
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 11:44 AM
I need to broaden mine too, sam. I've never been to Greenwood and I've actually never seen the parrots. The latter is especially sad.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 11:45 AM
Sam, if you show up on March 19th it might broaden your horizons.
You'll be in a bar on Atlantic Ave, it just might turn into a sex club and you can probably get to Bangkok.
So, do come.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 11:47 AM
noki--let me also add my condolences to you. Sounds like your grandma is in a nice spot now at least.
Posted by: wasder at February 26, 2009 11:47 AM
"I've never been to Greenwood"
There's 3 more seats in the jalopy, DIBS. One can be yours.
I'm assuming where MM goes, sainted tenant follows (you know to wipe up the crumbs from the picnic lunch).
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 11:49 AM
MM,
When I was researching the history of my home I found a good portion of it through obituaries in the NY Times.
The original owner of my house was a woman (how progressive!) who brought her father in to live with her once her mother passed away (they had lived in the neighborhood). Her father lived here for 7 years before dying in my home at age 91 (1916). His services were held in this house.
The owner of my home was a remarkable very liberal woman who besides being a full time journalist for a prominent newspaper, a musician, was one of the founders of several prominent Jersey City Clubs dedicated to woman's health and literacy and was active in The State Federation. Two of the organizations she help found are still in active existence today. She passed away in 1947 at age 88 her services were held in a funeral home (a large Victorian) one block over which is now a private residence.
Myself, I'd prefer not to be laid out. Just quietly cremated and scattered.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 11:50 AM
THL...you gotta be laid out first though before cremated. Ever heard of an Irish wake???? Everyone's will should leave an allowance of money for a big bash upon their death.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 11:55 AM
Sorry, I don't know the proper terminology. What I think I mean is, no viewing (wake?).
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 11:59 AM
Mopar, I am sooo sorry. I didn't mean to ignore your post addressed to me.
It would be awful if there was extensive termite damage. Is the house a frame?
Can you find out the extent of termite damage before going through with the sale? And I don't know how that could be down without opening walls. Is there a way?
Good luck, and I look forward to reading your renovation blog.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 12:00 PM
No, you and I were talking about the same thing...laid out = wake. Ya gotta have a wake.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 12:01 PM
"What, will you be joining us at the next gathering? Perhaps you and DIBS can play a game of bocce while sipping Guinness."
First thing Hi Biff! I have a idea ; ^ }...
How about me throwing the Bocce balls at DIBS head???? I could let 'em fly like Tom Seaver and we can share a laugh as DIBS is put into the ambulance...
Biff if you can make this happen, I will show up! Thanks!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 12:02 PM
Mopar, that's such great news! You love that house so much, I'm so glad you'd decided to pull the trigger. It's going to bring you both so much joy. Well, joy intermixed with frustration and headaches. They'll be good homeownershippy headaches which are far better than the normal for no good reason headaches!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 12:06 PM
What...why does your type always revert to violence when you can't come up with a response to free speech??? I'd actually be for that Bocce ball thing but you better have your bail money in order and you'll be be back at your favotite passtime of getting assraped in lockup.
No money on your book & case number commissary account????
Fool
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 12:08 PM
BRG - watch what you say criticizing Rob. His mommy, bxgirl, may jump down your throat and remind you that this is a blog.
Posted by: Make My Heights the P Heights at February 26, 2009 12:08 PM
Miss Chiff/11233....are you out there lurking? I need to ask you a question.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 12:11 PM
Oh no I sure don't! I'll just make sure in my will it stipulates that as they (whoever *they* are) scatter my ashes there's plenty of booze provided and the girls all get to wear my collection of baubles. Hell the boys can wear some too if it suits their fancy!
Then they can all head to a bar and celebrate their having finally gotten rid of me.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 12:12 PM
THL, that's really interesting. I think a house's history is a fun thing to know, and can often help explain why certain things in the house are so, as well as foster that sense of connection to the past, and stewardship of the property into the future. These old houses last so much longer than we do.
Mopar, I'm glad you are taking the plunge (depending on 2nd inspection, of course.)Looking forward to your reno blog, too, or at least lots of pix, before and after. Good luck!
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 26, 2009 12:16 PM
Good luck,mopar. Best wishes in your venture.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 26, 2009 12:21 PM
quote:
we can share a laugh as DIBS is put into the ambulance...
seriously What you are the textbook prime example of a sociopath. and yeah i know youre just going to barf back that im a man-child. save your breath for someone who cares.
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 12:25 PM
"foster that sense of connection to the past"
I think thats very important in a city like NYC where so many of us have no history in the city beyond our own presence here. I certainly relish researching the history of the hoods and houses I've lived in in NYC, and I definitely see them in a different light aftewards. I think its even more important for people coming from countries aged enough that the US seems as though it barely has any written history. Helps set the record straight.
Posted by: dittoburg at February 26, 2009 12:35 PM
"seriously What you are the textbook prime example of a sociopath. and yeah i know youre just going to barf back that im a man-child. save your breath for someone who cares."
Biff!!!! Make that Rob too and I'm so there!!!!!! i will bring my camera and we can post the pictures here..
The What (The Balls Rob, the Balls...)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 12:37 PM
Two against one now, What??? I suspect with all your bravado that you're actually a small man. And now certain that you're a stupid one as well.
Keep that ghetto mentality though!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 12:42 PM
maybe ill bring my pitbull what and then we'll see who has the balls what, the balls, to throw anything on my head ;-0
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 12:43 PM
rob...that ;-0 is what the What looks like on his knees in lockup. Please, sir, make me eat more of your "skittles."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 12:58 PM
Oh dear, I leave everyone alone and look what happens! What, there'll be no aiming of any balls at DIBS face...unless of course he requests it.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 1:07 PM
LOLOLOLOL Biff!!
Hey, I put up a forum post that you'll love Biff. I put in a whole bunch of grammatical and punctuation errors. I even dropped a word or two. So be kind.
I figured BRG would appreciate having the spotlight off her for a bit. I do what I can to help.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 1:11 PM
THL, I'm zooming over there right now with my dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedia, magnifying glass and list of Henny Youngman's 1,000 favorite jokes!
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 1:17 PM
"What, there'll be no aiming of any balls at DIBS face...unless of course he requests it."
AW come on Biff! Why I don't get the chance do do something great! Do me a favor talk Dave into it, pretty please... I will show up!
The What (and the pitch..)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 1:25 PM
What, I'm enjoying this new found civility between us but I do not want to see anyone get hurt (I also wish you would ease up on MM, but that's another story).
I know your thoughts on the bank bailout but what do you think about what Obama's talked about putting aside for the Iraq invasion? Seems like a lot more than I was hoping would be needed to get out of there.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 1:42 PM
THL - HUH, I read your forum post 3x and I didn't find grammer or punctuation erors!?!?
"I figured BRG would appreciate having the spotlight off her for a bit."
:-(
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 1:56 PM
"What, I'm enjoying this new found civility between us but I do not want to see anyone get hurt"
Okay okay but the Bocce Ball thang would've been a holla.
"I also wish you would ease up on MM, but that's another story"
Okay Okay, I will take MM off the "Targeting System Profiler", it's part of my Weapons System in the bunker...
"I know your thoughts on the bank bailout but what do you think about what Obama's talked about putting aside for the Iraq invasion? Seems like a lot more than I was hoping would be needed to get out of there."
It's very hard to fight a war and give Banks Bailout money Biff. Please go back to my predictions and read them again. America will continue to waste money until the Bond Market says "No Mas". Very soon our borrowing costs will do a moonshot and it will be game over for the Obama Pixie Dust Up! At that time some hard choice will have to be made like Welfare, Medicaid, Corporate Welfare and other subsidies. I think we are in a world of hurt Biff and one more thing.
Biff I was thinking about you (Seriously). I know we had our wars but you put your money where your mouth is! You live in Brooklyn Heights and own your own place and you are not part of the Ghetto Neighborhood Hijack Asshat Team! My hat is off to ya and be well.
The What (Wow the meds do work!)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 2:13 PM
That's an interesting angle on why its "good" to have bought a property in BH and not anywhere else!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 2:16 PM
What = lover of segregation.
Posted by: benson at February 26, 2009 2:25 PM
The Ghetto Neighborhood Hijack Asshat Team
"I’m not only the president, I’m also a client."
- daveinbedsty
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 2:27 PM
I got news for you What. The people I bought my house from in Bed Stuy weren't black!!!!!! I guess that shatters your theories about ghetto displacement.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 2:28 PM
^^^^ sorry DIBS. I just had to give the Jab
:-)
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 2:28 PM
Biff;
BTW, mark my words on this: just like Obama has already jettisoned his campaign promises regarding NAFTA, he will do a slow climb-down from his words on Iraq. He knows full well that if we leave, it will create a huge vacuum in this politically volatile area. You think $4/gallon was high for gas? That would be nothing compared to what can happen if Iran were to move into Iraq. I'll wager anybody that we will still be in Iraq 4 years from now, with at least 50,000 troops,just as we had to stick around in Germany and Japan for quite a long time.
Posted by: benson at February 26, 2009 2:33 PM
BRG...I've never denegrated Bay ridge. How dare you refer to it as bedsty.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 2:33 PM
What, that is my exact point. I agree with you. How on earth can Obama (whom I supported fully during his campaign and continue to support) hope to give out all this bailout money and STILL allocate hundreds of billions of dollars towards the Iraq catastrophe? Any money spent at this point should strictly be helping the families of the 100,000+ innocent civilians who lost their lives. Other than that, we need to get out of there.
As for your other point, wow, I never thought I would see the day I would get a compliment from you, but I sincerely am glad that we've been able to have more constructive discussions than the crap we used to throw out at each other. It was just too much negative energy to deal with. And I do give you credit for predicting things (i.e., economic collapse) that most others didn't believe or want to hear which ultimately came to fruition. I just wish your delivery was a bit less aggressive, but on the other hand, if nothing else, it has gotten you noticed. And admittedly I've flown off the handle at people way more than I should have.
As for the gentrification thing; I think I've come to understand your perspective a bit better recently. I wasn't in Brooklyn in the '70s (or 80s or 90s) and I can't comment on how things were so I have to respect your opinion and opinions of others who grew up here and knew what things were like before us newbies arrived. You seem to have had a much different upbringing than me and I would suspect things weren't easy for you. But I just don't completely get your issue with someone like DIBS, who seems to have moved into a neighborhood he loves, is trying to improve it and didn't do it for the intention of flipping his place to make a profit. I'm assuming whomever he bought his place from sold it to him willingly (and made a tidy profit in the process - as I'm posting this I just saw that he noted he bought his place from a white family). Further, weren't a lot of people (of all colors) living in SoHo, the East Village and other traditionally areas in Manhattan priced out of those neighborhoods? I guess I could argue I was priced out of the Upper East Side because I couldn't buy the same kind of place there that I have now (of course that's a stretch as I didn't HAVE to leave there).
Anyway, I don't want to disrupt the lovefest and I really do appreciate what you said. Be well also.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 2:37 PM
DIBS so sorry, I forgot your white ass is in Stuyvesant Heights.
Of course it's: daveinbedstuy
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 2:38 PM
benson, unfortunately I would not at all be surprised by your prediction.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 2:39 PM
O.k. you old farts, try this...
http://trainhorns.net/sound/
It's supposedly a sound that only people under 25 can hear. I'm 37 and have tested to be hard of hearing and I heard it just fine.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 2:39 PM
They weren't white either, Biff.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 2:41 PM
Sorry, DIBS, I misread what you said in my haste to post. That was embarassingly presumptuous of me.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 2:43 PM
"the Ghetto Neighborhood Hijack Asshat Team!"
Are there photos? I'm getting a hilarious mental image.
La Recoleta Cemetery in Brazil is fascinating. There, my lovely bride and I visited the graves of Eva Peron and Luis Firpo, amongn others. It's located in one of the city's nicest neighborhoods.
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 2:44 PM
"the Ghetto Neighborhood Hijack Asshat Team!"
"Are there photos?"
No, only a cartoon!!
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 2:47 PM
Typing "embarassingly" is embarrassingly embarrassing!
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 2:47 PM
"La Recoleta Cemetery in Brazil"
Uh, that's BUENOS AIRES....my bad!
And, "among."
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 2:55 PM
If every time I misspeled a word and posted a post corecting it, I'd be posting all day.
No need to post a correction, we get it. Sometimes we all have idiot moments. Some of us have them all the time.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 3:00 PM
Some of us don't care is we misspell a word in a blog post either.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:03 PM
Biff;
I have to say that I'm disappointed in your response to the What. I'm all for civility - that is fine. However, the man does not deserve legitimacy, for several reasons:
-he is basically advocating some type of new segregation based upon a combination of nativism, color and economic status.
-he has no respect for the views of others. Did you see his recent posts to Montrose? Vile and disgusting.
-why does his opinion have some type of legitimacy, because the world he grew up in is vanishing? This is the US, where we believe in social mobility. Furthermore, in a dynamic city like NY, this is to be expected. I grew up in an area (Gravesend) that slowly morphed from the one I knew to another of primarily Asian and Russian immigrants. We all would like to see our "hometown" stay the same, if for nothing more than sentiment. So what??? Does that give me the right to hate on Chinese folks, to call them all types of vulgar names, to hope that they lose their shirts?
-anybody on this site who would argue that we should put a baseball bat to the head of people who are changing the color or religion of a neighborhood would be hounded off. Likewise if someone complained about lower-income folks moving into a neighborhood and changing its character. Why, therefore, is it OK for someone to argue that if wealthier folks are changing the character of a neighborhood, it's Ok to take a basball bat or bocce ball to their head?
Posted by: benson at February 26, 2009 3:04 PM
"Sometimes we all have idiot moments."
Indeed! Thanks. It doesn't help that although I'm writer and work with the media every day, I'm a crappy typist!
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 3:07 PM
Miss Pell is good.
Please conitnue.
Posted by: Miss Pell at February 26, 2009 3:08 PM
"I'm writer"
that's: I'm a writer.
I type really fast and my mind thinks faster than I type.
(and that's the excuse I'm sticking with!!)
ENY - what do you write?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 3:12 PM
I have an excuse here at work...I'm on a PC. At home I'm on a Mac and the spell checker is automatic.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:14 PM
Wait a minute! Biff and I have bury the hatchet and now we have a dialogue going on. Now when I'm trying to chill, people come out of the Woodwork! You can't have it both ways you see there are something that I agree on (See my post with Legion) and I will be the first to admit that sometimes I get it wrong but when I'm trying to be constructive, here comes all the haters..
Look I will say this again if you don't like my post then ignore them! There is no one here forcing you to respond to The What! Please ignore me but if you do make that mistake and say something that I believe is stupid, I will blast you ass out of the water!
Here is an example:
The Ghetto Neighborhood Hijack Asshat Team
"I’m not only the president, I’m also a client."
- daveinbedsty
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 2:27 PM
When do I mess with Bayridgegirl??? I view her to be a Low Value Asset and never has any thing to say! I did not mess with here but there she goes sticking here nose in the fight!
Oh well I'm The What and your not.....
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 3:16 PM
benson, it's possible nobody (with the exception of DIBS) has had more unpleasant words exchanged with The What than I have. But I decided to look past our fights, which were nothing more than ridiculous insults and threats exchanged on a daily basis with no substance behind them and listen to what he was saying and try to state my case. Since then, we have been civil with each other.
But to your points.
Regarding segregation - I am trying to put myself into the shoes of someone who grew up, likely less advantaged than me, as an African American at a time when they were treated even more as second class citizens than they are now. He has an insight that I don't and I am respecting his opinion on how things were since I wasn't here at the time. Having said that, my lengthy post above does state that I don't find it entirely fair to question people who buy into neighborhoods out of a love for the house and the area and without the intention of trying to make a quick profit out of it. I'm talking about those who truly want to make an investment in their neighborhood and deal with all the good and bad that comes with it. I also referenced changing neighborhoods and how people of many different backgrounds have been priced out of them by newcomers.
Regarding his views of others, specifically those like Montrose and wasder. I specifically mentioned that I would like him to back off of her. I think he has unfairly attacked her, but I hope with civility and reason he can see that. And you know what? When cobblehiller was interacting with him, I held it against her. I thought she should be attacking him like I did. But then I realized I had the problem, not her. I'm trying the approach of giving respect to get respect. And What has shown that he can respond non-violently when spoken to. Perhaps he has a lot of misplaced anger and maybe it's justified. I'm trying to understand where he's coming from and hear what he's saying. I clearly asked him to back off with the bocce balls and other such talk, but it's a blog and ultimately he can say what he wants (and DIBS has shown he can competently defend himself).
You can disagree with my approach and I will understand that.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 3:18 PM
Benson--the only I will say in response to your post to Biff is that What is going to be here whether you or I want him here or not. I would much rather have Biff and What talking like that then previous modes of (non)communication. That being said, I agree with most of what you wrote there. it is never OK to threaten another person or to suggest that a person's skin color makes them ineligible to live in whatever neighborhood that they want to. I do believe that What's threatened violence is rhetorical in nature, but I agree that his world view is intolerably intolerant.
Posted by: wasder at February 26, 2009 3:19 PM
"ENY - what do you write?"
When I was younger, I wrote for the Brooklyn Heights Press. I've worked as a news reporter for the N.Y. Post (which I now boycott). I've written magazine articles about jazz, Negro League baseball and the travel industry. I've also been a reporter for trade magazines covering the retailing and travel industries. I'm a PR guy now, and mainly write press releases, speeches, etc. for clients of my firm and for a few of my own clients (outside work). I also write for myself, and have been working on a book (on Negro League baseball) for a while now.
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 3:22 PM
What...you can't have it both ways. You can't, in the same post, be civil to Biff and then start that neighborhood ghetto team racist crap that benson has correctly pointed out.
Until you clean up your act and stop with that shit altogether then no one is going to treat you like a human being.
Your threats of violence will get you banned from here at the least and, if that's your general daily demeanor in the real world will get you back in prison again. Are you about to run up against the third strike. God, that'd be too bad!!!
Get it????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:24 PM
Regarding segregation - I am trying to put myself into the shoes of someone who grew up, likely less advantaged than me, as an African American at a time when they were treated even more as second class citizens than they are now. He has an insight that I don't and I am respecting his opinion on how things were since I wasn't here at the time. Having said that, my lengthy post above does state that I don't find it entirely fair to question people who buy into neighborhoods out of a love for the house and the area and without the intention of trying to make a quick profit out of it. I'm talking about those who truly want to make an investment in their neighborhood and deal with all the good and bad that comes with it. I also referenced changing neighborhoods and how people of many different backgrounds have been priced out of them by newcomers.
QOTD!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Biff you slapped that one out the park!!!!!!
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 3:24 PM
Well What...there's something we both agree on as a good start. And Biff has correctly described why I moved to Bed Stuy. there are additional reasons but none of them was for a short term flip of a property.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:27 PM
WTF is going on here????
I'm out of this one...you boys battle it out.
I'm going to read the article in today's NYTimes (Styles section) about fitted men's trousers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/fashion/26CODES.html
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 3:30 PM
East New York I need a PR guy, LMMFAO! Maybe I want to run for Mayor (Or run from one). Maybe you can help me clean up my image here at Brownstoner...
The What (Dave is a .... must resist..)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 3:31 PM
:( im sad right now. i think my ex (who dumped me over a year ago actually but who im still in love with) is dating someone else. now i have all these mixed up feelings of jealousy and low self worth. what gives. a year and im still feeling this way, rather it's sorta just popped up? now? a year later? and the absolute worst part is that he's moving just a few blocks away from me on saturday.
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 3:31 PM
We're not battling anymore, BRG. Biff is getting us seated at the table and we're about to pass the peacepipe. This could be historic.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:32 PM
ENY;
My wife's uncle was a super, super avid baseball fan. His name (Mike Stagno) is cited in the baseball encyclopedia because he was able to resurrect alot of statistics for the old Negro Leagues (I'm not sure how he did it).
The guy lived and slept baseball, to the point of ignoring his family.
Posted by: benson at February 26, 2009 3:36 PM
"I would much rather have Biff and What talking like that then previous modes of (non)communication."
wasder, I know you understand what I'm doing as you've tried to do it as well. I got to the point where I started to ask myself why I was spending so much time spewing crap back and forth at an online nemesis when I could be using that time to try to learn something. The starting point was to calm my own rhetoric down. After that, hopefully more civilized discourse would ensue and we could begin to understand what the problems are.
It's easy to view The What as intolerant and the threatened violence doesn't help one's perception of him and it's often over the top. But maybe I would be equally as intolerant and angry if I grew up under the same circumstances. Who knows?
Bocce, anyone?
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 3:36 PM
"Well What...there's something we both agree on as a good start."
Oh no Asshead! You are number one on the Blast List!!! Matter of fact I'm updating your profile on the Asshat Targeting System! Oh no buddy, oh no....
The What (They wanted me to lay off Dave but I said No No No...)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 3:36 PM
What a strange day on Brownstoner!
Posted by: wasder at February 26, 2009 3:37 PM
rob...if he was your first, you may get past it but you will never, ever forget him and truly be over it. All men, both gay and straight find it harder to deal when they know their ex has started dating someone else. You have to move on, get out there and meet other people. I don't know what else to say. I'm 53 and have a number of ex's and I still miss each and every one of them despite it usually being me who did the dumping.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:38 PM
ENY - Did you travel alot when you were writing for the trade magazines?
"I also write for myself"
Most writers write for themselves, until they sell the piece :-)
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 3:39 PM
i think some people confuse the term nemesis with frenemy these days. i think the what is frenemies with a lot of people on this site, but i dont think he has any nemesis' or arch enemies. there's a huge difference.
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 3:39 PM
No worries, BRG. Thanks everyone for the good wishes.
What, you frequently pick fights with people who agree with you and side with those who are despicable. You are a sore winner. Whatever your skin color, you are like Archie Bunker. Reactionary and nostalgic. I guess Montrose had you pegged right away, but you don't get her at all. Of course you are also funny and right about a lot of things.
Posted by: mopar at February 26, 2009 3:39 PM
[Dave, watching his Bloomberg screen as a diversion, hesitates in responding to the What]
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:41 PM
Biff--Obviously I hear you. Its a fine line always between trying to hear somebody (really hear them) and accepting what should be intolerable language sometimes (as Benson has pointed out). And yet, to me the opposite is more intolerable. I try to have standards that cause me to speak out that are clear and unequivocal, but sometimes I feel like it all gets very blurry.
Posted by: wasder at February 26, 2009 3:42 PM
"But maybe I would be equally as intolerant and angry if I grew up under the same circumstances."
Biff and Wasder;
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember The What ever talking about the circumstances under which he grew up. I think there is alot of presumption here. Are we simply going to give the guy a pass because of his race?
I'm not advocating continuing hostility with the guy. I'm advocating that he simply be ignored by all until he cleans up his act and learns the meaning of mutual respect.
Posted by: benson at February 26, 2009 3:43 PM
"rob...if he was your first, you may get past it but you will never, ever forget him and truly be over it. "
Dave I just spit water all over my monitors!!!! ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 3:44 PM
You guys should read the article about the fitted mens' trousers, order a pair to ensure delivery before the March 19th shindig. Wear them to Flyod's and please play Bocce. I will be sitting behind you, in the rear, watching balls being dropped.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 3:44 PM
How 'bout that Yen eh???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:44 PM
[Dave wonders what kind of a relationship someone like the What could ever have had but in the spirit of today's ceasefire, decides not to ask]
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:46 PM
"I'm not advocating continuing hostility with the guy. I'm advocating that he simply be ignored by all until he cleans up his act and learns the meaning of mutual respect."
Give it a rest Benson... I'm NOT CHANGING ANYFERKING THING ASSNUT!!!!!!!!
Leave me alone if I bother so much...
The What Out!
The What (Rob getting dating advice from Dave is a holla)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at February 26, 2009 3:47 PM
The What wears fitted trousers!
Too fitted!
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 3:48 PM
My sympathies, Rob. Don't worry, everyone gets dumped, you will find another and better, really and truly. You have to kind of convince yourself you don't care about this guy. Maybe pretend to yourself to think the very worst of him, at least temporarily.
Why does he have to move so close? Then you'll always be thinking of him in case you run into him on the street. That's no fun.
Posted by: mopar at February 26, 2009 3:49 PM
Someone please please put together a dictionary of What words.
- ANYFERKING
- ASSNUT
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 3:50 PM
I'm with Benson on this one.
The people who engage him enjoy the back and forth. They love baiting each other and then crying foul. It's a big game.
We all know that this pacified version is only temporary. The bickering is the basis symbiotic relationship.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 3:51 PM
And you did have sex with him on your recent birthday, right?? So his commitment to the new bf is, shall we say...
That said, let him go. But men being men will always want to have sex with their ex!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:51 PM
Yes, THL...but this is the new New York. Disney on 42nd Street instead of crack and prostitutes. It's fun to think about that kind of new world here on brownstoner raising a pint with the What. Who knows, maybe he's even a piece of eye candy.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 3:53 PM
"East New York I need a PR guy, LMMFAO!"
I would LOVE to be a PR guy for you, What, and I am being completely honest. We PR types thrive on challenges and like unusual clients the best, because they are the easiest to promote. I'd have a ball representing you. However, as I told Iron Balls yesterday, good PR does NOT come cheap (which is why I got into it)!
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 3:55 PM
Dave exemplifies graciousness today.
Posted by: mopar at February 26, 2009 3:57 PM
Wasder, nobody has been more patient with people here than you. In fact, I've often thought you've given certain posters way too much benefit of the doubt and chances to engage in meaningful discussions. I could tell the other day you were getting irked by BHO and I was hoping you would just let it go and walk away, but your postings today indicated it has gotten to you and I wish it hadn't. But you're the bigger man for trying to have a courteous debate. I'm ambivalent about being civil with someone who I feel is not civil to others, but at this point, I'll do what works for me and hope that I can convince others that it's the better way and the nastiness ebbs.
Benson, he's cleaned up his act where I am concerned. DIBS doesn't seem to mind the heated exchanges with What so I leave that alone. But again, I've asked, if nothing else, for the What to at least not attack Montrose, not that she cannot defend herself a hell of a lot more effectively than I can. I'm choosing not to ignore him at the end of the day because I find I am benefitting from reading some of the more informative things he's saying, whether it's to do with his take on the economy or Brooklyn "back in the day", etc. Again, that's just me. I can appreciate how you might wonder how and why I'm doing this as I have had that reaction with cobblehiller and wasder in the past.
THL, I don't mind engaging him but don't love the baiting. However, I'm sure your statement does apply to others. And maybe it is just temporary, but it's been a nice change.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 3:58 PM
[Dave googles Gertrude Stein looking for nice things to post]
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:01 PM
"he was able to resurrect alot of statistics for the old Negro Leagues (I'm not sure how he did it)."
That's very interesting, Benson. The Negro Leagues are a fascinating story in general, and the history is scattered among folks like your wife's uncle. There are lots of "hidden" collectors with great memorabilia all around the country.
"ENY - Did you travel alot when you were writing for the trade magazines?"
Yes, very often, 2-3 times per month. It became quite grueling, really, and after more than 10 years of it, I went into PR mainly to make more money and get off the road. From hack to flack. I traveled the world to find out I'm a basically simple guy who most enjoys hanging around his house playing with his dog. Go figure.
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 4:01 PM
"Most writers write for themselves, until they sell the piece :-)"
Quite true. My writer pals and I joke that there are no unemployed writers - only "freelancers."
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 4:03 PM
Gertrude Stein! I believe she's buried in Père Lachaise!
We've come full circle today.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 4:07 PM
"Matter of fact I'm updating your profile on the Asshat Targeting System!"
You kill me, dude. You are genuinely funny.
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 4:08 PM
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM3KWV
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 4:09 PM
"I traveled the world to find out I'm a basically simple guy who most enjoys hanging around his house playing with his dog. Go figure."
ENY, I can't agree with you more. I've travelled to Asia so many times over the past 21 years that I've gotten tired of it. Despite friends there and the attractions it carries during "down time" from work I'd rather stay home and eat at my favorite haunts and watch TV.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:10 PM
I meant to say...
The bickering is the basis of their symbiotic relationship.
You'll quickly bore of each other without the rants. Before I knew better I was genuinely concerned for him because of the levels of disdain and bitterness he had. I also didn't understand why he kept coming back to this "asshat" filled website. Nor did I get that his vitriolic rants were just a performance.
Now I know better. I understand it's all just a big show. He runs around yelling at everyone in order to get people to engage him. He loves Dave, why because Dave gives him a fight. He claims to hate MM, why? because it'll piss people off and then they'll engage him in arguments.
Oh, o.k., I'll yell at him because he's a jerk. Nope, that doesn't work I'll be nice to him. Nope, that doesn't work either. O.k., I'll stroke his ego and tell him he's got some good points/predictions. Oh look, he acted civil for a minute.
PUH-LEEZ, why bother with it at all?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 4:11 PM
Biff, I'm glad they gave the longitude & latitude for the grave.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:13 PM
"My writer pals and I joke that there are no unemployed writers - only "freelancers."
Yes, very accurate. I am one.
I hear you about the traveling. I was working on a TV show that required me to travel, and I would be gone for 2 weeks and back in NYC for one. I was so tired of it. I'd come home unpack, do laundry and pack again. All that traveling to exotic locations burns you out.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 4:15 PM
THL, in reality I bet we act like the cats that you have.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:15 PM
Who's buried in Grant's Tomb?
btw Rob, you can go visit Grant's Tomb. It's open to the public...yep, a tourist destination.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 4:16 PM
Where the hell did rob ask about Grant's Tomb???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:19 PM
actually i think did when i lived in morningside heights before moving to harlem proper. his tomb is in the park in morningside right?
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 4:19 PM
DIBS, Biff brought back the cemeteries, then you graves and I was.....ah, never mind. Another miss from me.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 4:22 PM
I've never been to Gravesend either.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:24 PM
Justin Timberlake brought sexy back.
Biff Champion brought cemeteries back.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 4:25 PM
"Justin Timberlake brought sexy back." If there ever was a doubt in my mind that you were straight, it is completely gone.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:28 PM
You do realize the correct answer to the question "Who is buried in Grant's Tomb" is: "nobody", as it is not a tomb, and therefore no one is buried there.
Here is a piece of trivia: Gravesend is unique in that it was the only part of NY that was originally founded as an English colony, at the time of New Amsterdam. Moreover, it is unique in that it was a colony started by a woman - Lady Deborah Moody - who fled England to seek religious freedom. Her original house still stands next to Gravesend cemetery - the oldest cemetery in NYC.
Posted by: benson at February 26, 2009 4:30 PM
DIBS, then I won't help my cause any by admitting that all this talk about cemeteries and Oscar Wilde has had me singing one of my all time favorite songs today...
Cemetery Gates by the Smiths.
Posted by: Biff Champion at February 26, 2009 4:32 PM
At least you're not quoting songs from Pet Shop Boys or the Communards!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:35 PM
"Biff Champion brought cemeteries back."
Living in Brooklyn Heights makes it easier for this accomplishment.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 4:38 PM
And for today's lesson, class...
"Always forgive your enemies, nothing annoys them so much" O.W.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:38 PM
let's say i dropped dead and there is no one in my life to bury me. would i get buried in greenwood cemetary since it's the nearest one? are their potter's fields in nyc? my grandmother used to always talk about those. where they send people's body that no one cared about
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 4:39 PM
Damn, job hunting is getting pervy these days. Check this out:
"Young entreprenuer attorney ISO manicured secretary/assistant to train. Should be friendly and able to deal with divorce and related matters. No experience necessary and would prefer someone to train that has an interest in law. Candidate should be open to super long fresh manicure and maintain manicured appearance for diverse client base. Part time to start."
anyone else skeeved out besides me? ewww!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 4:40 PM
I can see the making of a good "Law and Order" episode here.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:41 PM
LOL where did you find that job posting? sounds like it's straight out of the Bay Ridge Gazette.
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 4:42 PM
Nothing about an attorney should seem skeevey!!! :)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:42 PM
WTF?
Was that in the back of the Village Voice?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 4:43 PM
Snappy, the way the economy is heading, I suggest you buy a nail file and some red nail polish.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 4:44 PM
LOL, no it was on CL, just a step below the VV! I had a quick flashback of that Seinfeld episode where Kramer dates the waitress because she has super long nails and a wicked back itch!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 4:44 PM
My Mxican bf has long nails, among other things.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:47 PM
Speaking of The Pet Shop Boys I'm loving their new song Love, Etc.
http://www.musicloversgroup.com/pet-shop-boys-love-etc-lyrics-and-video/
(Don’t have to be) A big bucks Hollywood star
(Don’t have to drive) A super car to get far
(Don’t have to live) A life of power and wealth
(Don’t have to be) Beautiful but it helps
(Don’t have to buy) A house in Beverly Hills
(Don’t have to have) Your daddy paying the bills
(Don’t have to live) A life of power and wealth
(Don’t have to be) Beautiful but it helps
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 4:48 PM
Oh gosh, I guess I'll be investing in some "P***y Lip Red" polish and a pack of Hubba Bubba and give up hope that I'll ever be an attorney again. Argh!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 4:48 PM
"I had a quick flashback of that Seinfeld episode where Kramer dates the waitress because she has super long nails and a wicked back itch!"
That's a good episode! It's the same one where Kramer makes out with a mannequin that looks like Elaine to break it off with the long-finger-nail chick.
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 4:48 PM
Anybody out there in midtown manhattan?? Want to join up at Japas 38 Karaoke? I'll be with 2 Asian guys (straight). Who was it was looking for a straight boyfriend????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:49 PM
I'm a bad gay. I didn't know there were new Pet Shop Boys songs. I've got all the old ones on my ipod.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:51 PM
"Despite friends there and the attractions it carries during "down time" from work I'd rather stay home and eat at my favorite haunts and watch TV."
Yes, frequent travel to international destinations looks glamorous from the outside, but it can be an exhausting grind. I was burnt out. I still love to travel, but now only do so when I want to or when I have to for work (much less often than previously).
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 4:53 PM
Bayridgegirl, you made me laugh out loud. Your post about Brooklyn Heights. So true. Sad but true.
Rob, plots in Green-wood are rather expensive, I think your best bet it to donate your brain to science. The rest of you can go in with the re-cycling
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 4:53 PM
My favorite PSB song.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZvXseMZ70Q
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:54 PM
DIBS, I'll join your 'bad gay' club. I've never heard an Ani Difranco song and generally can't stand when Melissa Ethridge or K.D. Lang come on the radio/jukebox. I'll keep my Neil Diamond and Jay Z. thank you very much!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 4:54 PM
Snappy...I saw Tony bennett and KD at radio city many years ago.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:56 PM
what on earth would scientists want with my brain of all brains.
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 4:57 PM
"Bayridgegirl, you made me laugh out loud."
Thank you Sam. I'll be here all week. Try the pot roast and don't forget to tip your server.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 4:58 PM
I'd like to do a nite of Karaoke with the What. I think we'd both amaze the crowd with old songs that none of them knew. I didn't get into the Musicradio discussion last week (believe it or not I had to get something done here during the day) but would have liked to.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:59 PM
Dave, I can't believe that you admitted that publicly. You're not scared they'll take your membership your card taken away? Check that one out it's really good.
Lately I've been really into that and this guy as well:
FrankMusik "Better Off as Two"
http://elbo.ws/video/769atcL8rpc/
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 4:59 PM
I've been a road warrior for 30 years. At one time, my "beat" was from Israel to San Jose, California. Now I just cover the US, with stops in San Jose, Wisconsin, Ottawa, Canada and the Boston area. I also have to go to Japan (headquarters)and Malaysia (factory) alot.
I'm kind of stuck. Because of globalization, there aren't many well-paying positions left in my area (fiber optics) on the east coast. Man, I wish I could stop travelling, but it's not going to happen soon.
Posted by: benson at February 26, 2009 5:00 PM
I've only ever been to one concert in my whole life - James Taylor in 1992. It was *AWESOME*!!! My next concert wish is to see Diana Krall. I love her.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 5:00 PM
benson, if you travel wearing your borsalino I have new found respect for you of the highest order. One of the hardest things is to go to Japan in the Winter and also have to go to places like Bangkok or Kuala Lumpur during the same trip where its 98 degrees every day of the year!!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:03 PM
ooooooooh fiberoptics rock. i used to kinda sorta collect those fiberoptic flowers that plug in that they would sell in ghetto furniture stores!! im pretty sure youre talking about a different kind of fiberoptics tho. oooh what about those little flashlight like fiberoptic thingies they sell at the circus? they are like flashy little mini ponpoms that arent really like ponpoms.
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 5:04 PM
Argh! My posts aren't showing up!
Anywhoo
DIBS, the only concert I've ever been to was James Taylor in 1992. My next concert wish: Diana Krall
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 5:05 PM
Oh, great, now the post appears. Sorry for the repeat, folks.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 5:05 PM
My first concert?
Menudo
My second?
Van Halen, you could say my tastes got progressively better.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 5:06 PM
In 1969 I went to MSG to see the Concert For Bangladesh in 1971. I will never ever forget that as long as I live. And the Rolling Stones in Chicago (1980?)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:06 PM
DIBS;
You said it! Our factory is located in Penang. One starts sweating profusely just from a nice walk around the block from the hotel. For that reason, the Borsalino stays home. I think I'll bring it to the get-together, though.
Posted by: benson at February 26, 2009 5:07 PM
Snappy, I can serenade you.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 5:08 PM
"what on earth would scientists want with my brain of all brains."
rob, I think you are a very special and fascinating person. I'm sure scientists would just love your brain. Especially if they read your posts.
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 5:08 PM
THL, what's next...those Jonas Bros? Ha! Just kidding. It's funny how they are nothing but a Hanson redux but everyone acts like they are all hot and fresh - barf.
MMMM BOP, BOP BA DU WOP - oh, self, stop the Hanson flashbacks!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 5:08 PM
Menudo guys were HOT.
When rob started posting about fiberoptics I thought he was going to mention lightsticks that guys use when they dance on top of the platforms at gay bars with their shirts off. Las time I danced with my shirt off lightsticks hadn't been invented.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:08 PM
Benson, get a straw hat!
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 5:09 PM
BRG, can you hold a tune? Or does your tune holding require a bucket with sturdy handles? LOL! Kidding, kidding!
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 5:10 PM
Straw hat. The image I always get is the ending of Silence of the Lambs when Hannible is in some banana republic and Dr. Chilton has just landed on the airstrip and Hannibal says "I'm meeting an old friend for dinner."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:11 PM
dave:
what do they do with the lightsticks? I mean how do they dance with them?
never mind...
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 5:12 PM
i think you mean glowsticks. do gay men seriously still dance with those? actually nevermind a friend of a friend of mine brought some to hand out once. recently this way. that's embarrassing. i never really talked to them again. i do however have a ton of glow bracelets! same thing except you put them around your wrists. much less tacky in my opinion (technically they can be used as cockringz if that's your sort of thing!). ill bring them on the 19th lol
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 5:13 PM
Back in grade school my best friend had a Menudo poster where they were all shirtless and wearing big swim trunks in a pool. On one of them, it appeared as though the tip of his lap taffy was peeking out! That issue of BOP was hence coveted by all the boy-crazy girls. So sad. So sad.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 5:13 PM
"Regarding his views of others, specifically those like Montrose and wasder. I specifically mentioned that I would like him to back off of her. I think he has unfairly attacked her, - " Awwww, Biff! (sniffle.) I'm sincerely touched.
ENY, I'm looking forward to meeting you. I hope you come to the next get together. My uncle is a Negro League buff. I bet you two could chat for hours.
Dave, you hold your own very well, my friend.
Rob, they have a potter's field. It's not where you would want to be, if you had a choice.
This is a really interesting thread, all in all. Wow.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 26, 2009 5:13 PM
glowsticks, right, not lightsticks...same thing though. sam they just dance with them in the rather dark dancefloor of the bar.
rob has added some additional color to the subject ^^^^^^^
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:15 PM
rob, I wouldn't know. I haven't been in a gay dance club in probably 10 years, serious. (Except in bangkok and Hong Kong)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:16 PM
"lap taffy" In all my years I've never heard that one. Now I'm thinking about the Salt Water taffy shops in P-Town.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:18 PM
Snappy, I was just a lit'lin'. In fact, my dad took me (what a guy!).
My tastes are super eclectic now but I'd rather buy my new backsplash tiles than a concert tickets!
Speaking of, I gotta go downstairs to my old ugly ones and prep my roast.
Have fun, play nice!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 5:18 PM
me neither actually. i absolutely cannot be around that many gay guys at one time. im not sure why. i dont think it's cuz im self-hating or anything. i think i much prefer sexual diversity. ok time for me to go home.
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 5:19 PM
LOL i've never heard it called "prep my roast" before either!
haha okay im really going
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 5:20 PM
Holy Crap! Lap taffy?? OMG, I'm crying laughing!!! Leave it to the lesbian to come up with the all time best penis reference!!!
I am so going to work that one into conversation when my husband comes home to see his reaction!!
Crying I tell you!!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 5:21 PM
Rob, o.k...now I really can't breathe~~!!
Hysterical, I gotta go...
Prep my roast for some lap taffy!!
Killing me.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 5:22 PM
THL, that's a helluva dad to accompany a young girl to a Menudo concert! Hats off to him!
DIBS, don't equate it to salt water taffy! Now I'll never be able to enjoy it again! AAAAAHHHHHH
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 5:22 PM
"Prep my roast" for some "lap taffy"
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:23 PM
Snappy...do you go to P-Town???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:24 PM
"Prep my roast for some lap taffy!!"
Brilliant. Bravo THL.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 5:25 PM
**Bowing** Thank you, thank you, I have many more. I'll try to pepper them in to the convos in the coming weeks :) (do I get a crown and a sash???)
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 5:25 PM
Never been there DIBS
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 5:25 PM
Never went to too many rock/pop concerts, but my all time faves were Earth, Wind and Fire, around 1976, Chicago around the same time, and Al Jarreau in the 90's. All very different, but fun. I go to a fair number of classical music concerts and operas now, as well as jazz. I haven't been to anything in a while though.
The best of those concerts have something in common - when you are in the groove, believing in your music, and just out there with no other objective than to communicate with your audience, it's magic. On both sides of the stage.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 26, 2009 5:25 PM
What's P-Town?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 5:28 PM
"I'm kind of stuck."
Yeah, Benson I was afraid of that happening to me....I know some travel writers who are in that boat. That's another reason I got out.
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 5:30 PM
Provincetown, MA The place where the Pilgrims landed first actually. Mostly Portugese settled. Became a big hippy place in the 60s and is now largely gay & lesbian now along with the Portugese locals. There are definite stroller issues there with the increasingly large numbers of gay & lesbian families.
It's a beauriful part of Cape Cod at the very tip.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:31 PM
I've had lots of that sam. Too uch probably. Someday we'll have the discussion about "miles of pole"
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:32 PM
I think I've got you all beat - my parents took us to a Jackson Five concert in Madison Square Garden in the 1970s. I also saw Chaka Kahn and Wild Cherry at the Westchester Premiere Theater, the Talking Heads at Forest Hills Tennis Center, and Public Enemy at a now-defunct downtown club called "The World."
Posted by: East New York at February 26, 2009 5:33 PM
Ok...outta here. Anyone want to meet at Japas 38 for Karaoke? 38th street bet Madison & 5th
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 5:35 PM
I LOVE Public Enemy. As far as I'm concerned, when they stopped writing, the quality of 'real' rap music declined severely.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 5:36 PM
I can't picture DIBS doing karaoke.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 6:00 PM
"This makes sand." -- Gertrude Stein.
Doesn't have the same ring as "Prep my roast for some lap taffy."
Posted by: mopar at February 26, 2009 6:03 PM
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember The What ever talking about the circumstances under which he grew up. I think there is alot of presumption here. Are we simply going to give the guy a pass because of his race?"
Benson--you are correct about this. There is plenty of assumption going on about What's background. Whatever I know about it comes from his anecdotal info in re Clinton Hill--going to PS 56, Fulton St in the 80's etc. So I feel like I have a sort of grasp. But your point is well taken.
Posted by: wasder at February 26, 2009 6:33 PM
Just got back from a verrrrrry long day and checked back on the ol' thread. I have to say I was feeling the love! Thank you to everyone for your thoughts. And yes, Waz, she's in a truly lovely spot.
Posted by: Nokilissa at February 26, 2009 8:39 PM
Nuh-uh, ENY. New Orleans, 70's: Rare Earth, Pacific Gas and Electric, Chambers Brothers, Ike and Tina Turner and James Brown.
Posted by: bxgrl at February 27, 2009 12:10 AM
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