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February 26, 2009
Co-op of the Day: 22 8th Avenue Duplex
G-O-R-G-E-O-U-S. This duplex at 22 8th Avenue in Park Slope, which combines the parlor and garden floors of the massive brownstone, just hit the market with an asking price of $2,200,000. The price tag seems lofty for just part of a house, but this unit is 3,000-square-feet large (plus it has another 1,500 square feet of basement space and a small deck and full garden rights). And, obviously, the scale of historic quality of the architecture are stunning. So, do they have a shot?
22 8th Avenue [Brown Harris Stevens] GMAP P*Shark
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Real estate porn two days in a row.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 12:45 PM
How could two floors of a brownstone possibly be 3000 sq feet?
Posted by: wasder at February 26, 2009 12:46 PM
does it come with air rights?
Posted by: dittoburg at February 26, 2009 12:47 PM
Holy Cow! I love this one.
Gorgeous is right!!
The listing said this is a former Mayor's home.
Posted by: 11217 at February 26, 2009 12:50 PM
"How could two floors of a brownstone possibly be 3000 sq feet?"
ditto.
Posted by: bk14 at February 26, 2009 12:51 PM
http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&ListingID=1353683
In contract for $2.2mm. Ask was $2.25mm That's almost $1400 per sq foot 15 minutes from Boro Hall subway. Enuff said.
Brooklyn ain't falling friends.
Posted by: PropJoe at February 26, 2009 12:52 PM
maybe they are including the 1500sf basement in the calculation?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 12:53 PM
okay no comments on that painting on the right? what IS that!? it looks like a modern day Velvis!
*r*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at February 26, 2009 12:54 PM
25' X 60' X 2 = 3,000
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 12:54 PM
"How could two floors of a brownstone possibly be 3000 sq feet?"
It says it's 25 feet wide by 60 feet long.
That's 1500.
Times 2.
Posted by: 11217 at February 26, 2009 12:55 PM
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/11/last_weeks_bigg_37.php
Posted by: PropJoe at February 26, 2009 12:56 PM
Beautiful apartment. I like the kitchen, too. It complements the rest of the apartment, which doesn't happen much on these pages. Of course it could be tweaked, but it is certainly not a priority.
This looks like an ideal apt for someone with deep pockets who wants the brownstone lifestyle without being responsible for the rest of the house, outside of membership in the co-op. I hazard no guesses on pricing. Park Slope's prices are a mystery to me.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 26, 2009 12:58 PM
Soory, PropJoe, whats your point?
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 1:00 PM
I don't think it is 3000 square feet unless you count the
front areaway and part of the rear yard, but it is spacious nevertheless, and more importantly, gorgeous.
My only teeny problem is that the master bedroom of one's 2 million dollar abode is in the basement, at the front of the house. I don't like looking out at footware, but that's just me. I like my bedroom to be above eye-level. However for people who like to live on the ground level, this is a lovely option. The price is pretty challenging though. I think the real estate market is in free fall at the moment. It has yet to hit the pavement. So I would have to say no, no way this will sell near ask or any time soon.
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 1:01 PM
Regarding the painting: Pretty sure it's a Kehinde Wiley. I'd tell you that he is a hot young thing and you sure know who he is, etc. etc., but you're the guy who had never been to Prospect Park, right? I can't figure you out.
Lovely place. Love the kitchen especially
Posted by: Ringo at February 26, 2009 1:01 PM
This is one of the best looking apartments I have ever seen in New York. I wonder how long this one will stay on the market. Two years ago I would have given it 2 weeks. Really nice...
Posted by: Amzi Hill at February 26, 2009 1:03 PM
Looks great--and a very thoughtful, really functional layout.
Posted by: tinarina at February 26, 2009 1:03 PM
It's got to be including the cellar:
25 x 50 building x 3 (including cellar) = 3,000 sf
This place looks very nice and calming. The price and the maintenance are completely out of my range, though.
Posted by: Bessie at February 26, 2009 1:04 PM
Wowie Zowie. Nice stuff. Love it. It's not so much the price but the maintenance that's giving me the lump in my throat.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at February 26, 2009 1:04 PM
Nice Spread!
I WANT that rug under the dining room table!!!!!!
Posted by: bayridgegirl at February 26, 2009 1:07 PM
The Master Bedroom is not in the basement...it is on the Garden Level. The basement is below the Garden level in a brownstone.
I personally love living on the Garden level.
Posted by: 11217 at February 26, 2009 1:08 PM
Is it my 'puter or did the floorplan link die out?
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 1:09 PM
sam, if the cobble hill pad goes for $2mm from my above post then this is certainly worthy of $2.2mm as it's much nicer & bigger & closer to the park
Posted by: PropJoe at February 26, 2009 1:09 PM
never mind...i'm just a computer twit today.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at February 26, 2009 1:10 PM
The bedroom is in the basement, aka "garden level" in realtor-speak. Below the basement is the cellar. Come on 11217, you know better than that.
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 1:11 PM
It's 25 X 60 people. That said, I wouldn't pay this money if one floor was the basement (garden level). If it was reversed and was parlour floor and up that might be different.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 1:14 PM
agreed, gorgeous!
but i feel sorry for the little kid stuck in that 3rd "bedroom"
Posted by: bowl of dicks at February 26, 2009 1:19 PM
Dave,
Yes, you're right, the house is approximately 60 feet long including the bay windows. And the 25 foot width is great.
I completely agree with you that if the bedrooms were upstairs it would be more desirable. Whether you call it the "Garden Level" or the "Royal Versailles Story", it is still the basement, which means you are below sidewalk level and the windows need bars.
That's the minus, the plus is that it would be a super place for entertaining.
But I don't think anything is selling now. Do you?
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 1:25 PM
no worries rob, kihinde wiley (the painting's artist) is overrated, and makes a nice room look like crap in my opinion.
great space, and a good price if you consider the total sq footage and variety you're getting in terms of having basement and garden.
Posted by: goldie at February 26, 2009 1:25 PM
PropJoe,
After attending Charm School, consider taking a remedial math course.
$2.2mm divided by "approx 2,300sf" does not equal "almost $1400 per sq foot."
Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 26, 2009 1:31 PM
I've given up on the whole condo thing. The economics of owning a brownstone all in are so much better. The common charges and the taxes on this thing seem high...$27,000 a year. If this thing sells for 15% below ask though it'd be $623 psf which ain't bad. That said, it takes a particular person who will pay the CCs forever and not opt for full ownership of a brownstone.
This is a beautiful parlour floor though and I think anyone would be proud to own it.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 1:34 PM
> "Regarding the painting: Pretty sure it's a Kehinde Wiley."
That was my thought as well. I love his Napoleon painting at the Brooklyn Museum.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 26, 2009 1:36 PM
Lovely space indeed. Way out of my price range, but lovely.
Even if it were in my price range, I don't think I'd be jumping at the opportunity to be part of a four unit co-op.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 26, 2009 1:40 PM
goldie, i guess if the painting were by john curran you would think it nice. the painting is fab and adds to the character of the place, not just a "whitebread" apartment. obviously, the people have more than money, they have a sense of what is new and different. people said the same thing about basquiat. why have the same old thing as everyone else? too common.
Posted by: girlongrand62 at February 26, 2009 1:43 PM
It does seem crazy somehow to spend over two million dollars for two floors of a Brooklyn house, no matter how grand.
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 1:44 PM
2.2 million can buy a super-swanky co-op with views and services. No little crooked steps to get you under the stoop. I like the romance of this, but I like even better the idea of knock-your-socks off views (rather than views of socks).
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 1:48 PM
drool-worthy, and I'm not usually a fan of lots of woodwork. would I pay $2.2 mil for it? Even if I had it, probably not. You can get a whole house in PS for that much.
Goldie: that's a pretty asinine comment. Don't insult the artist with your ignorance.
Posted by: tiptoe at February 26, 2009 2:02 PM
Parlors are 16 feet wide, that's gotta be nice. Agree kitchen is very nicely done to complement the rest of the apt. Maybe this will be a nice apt for a couple with grown kids who have a lot of parties with more than 1,000 guests.
Posted by: mopar at February 26, 2009 2:03 PM
If you look at the exterior photo, the garden level is at grade or maybe slightly below, which makes for decent living space. Plus that bay window is going to give some nice light.
Posted by: tinarina at February 26, 2009 2:19 PM
I think the garden level is very nice for sleeping, especially. It's cozy.
Obviously not everyone agrees, but I like my sleeping space to feel like a nest. I think the set up with the living space on top and sleeping on bottom is quite nice. My great aunt has a multi-million dollar home on a hill overlooking the Pacific in Laguna Beach, California which is set up just like this (bedrooms below the living spaces) and I've always loved it.
Posted by: 11217 at February 26, 2009 2:28 PM
girlongrand/tiptoe, crawl back in your hole. they're my opinions. you lost credibility after your racist tirades and co-op threads.
yeah, so as i said, lovely house.
Posted by: goldie at February 26, 2009 2:31 PM
girlongrand62...please explain "whitebread apartment"
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 2:39 PM
hardly racist goldie, like eric holder i speak the truth which you obviously can't handle. you are a coward and by the way, i don't live in a hole, rather a gorgeous brownstone. what do you live in a rental? perhaps racist in your opinion, but you probably voted for john mccain, or maybe you are from lousiana and support david duke? hmmm....
Posted by: girlongrand62 at February 26, 2009 3:14 PM
daveinbedstuy, "whitebread" would be like a "white shoe" law firm. uptight, boring without style, same old thing. has nothing to do with race, like "blackmail".
Posted by: girlongrand62 at February 26, 2009 3:15 PM
it was clear that gog62 meant run-of-the-mill. no need to get the attorney genral involved, though. anyway, back to this apt. i like a cozy bedroom too but i think what you might have down there are 3 unlit chrysalises, thus no photography. the public rooms are swank, though....
Posted by: prospect pop at February 26, 2009 3:23 PM
gog62 - whitebread is clearly associated with white middle class america. why argue that word when you've used 'cracker' before?! hahahaaa.
Posted by: goldie at February 26, 2009 3:28 PM
I think by "whitebread" he means upper east side park avenue WASPy. Ignore. In any event, for that much I would want three real bedrooms and not on a garden level. (The 3rd bedroom is too narrow). Clearly, this is for someone older, with no young kids, who entertains alot. And does so in Brooklyn. But even for that, i would rather want views and more outdoor space.
Posted by: saminthehood at February 26, 2009 3:40 PM
For whitebread see: http://www.boston.com/realestate/news/blogs/renow/2008/11/white_bread_is.html
Posted by: saminthehood at February 26, 2009 3:47 PM
The floorplan shows five steps down to basement level. That means that the bedroom floor is about two and a half feet to three feet below sidewalk level. But regardless of whether one is three feet or one foot below grade, security bars on the windows are a must. I would not sleep in a front basement bedroom without bars in the window, no way. So no matter how you cut it, it's three bedrooms in the basement. And if the master is in the front, that means you have to access the yard through the kid's bedroom.
This layout works better with the master suite facing the garden, the layout can be altered, but that bears on the 2.2 million price tag.
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 3:59 PM
girlongrand62, you made an out-and-out racist rant at the end of the day in a Fort Greene thread not so long back. No-one has forgotten, and while I agree with your definition of whitebread, you'll always be known as a racist on here along with Propjoe and Wine lover.
Posted by: dittoburg at February 26, 2009 4:28 PM
goldie.....yes, any old idiot can be a real estate broker.
gog62's eqating the meaning of whitebread to that of blackmail shows how stupid she really is
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 26, 2009 4:33 PM
I like whitebread, with a little jam.
delicious.
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 4:39 PM
No salted butter?
Posted by: dittoburg at February 26, 2009 4:44 PM
Dave, Dave --all that anger. This should make you sleep better, before the Asian markets open:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-manhattan-real-estate-dam-is-about-to-burst-2009-2
Posted by: Whuh at February 26, 2009 4:48 PM
yes, organic lightly salted butter from whole foods. so good.
Posted by: sam at February 26, 2009 5:22 PM
Dave, Goldie: nice to see you tag-teaming these days in going after people. You're so much nastier now that you're working together.
Posted by: fuplease at February 26, 2009 8:01 PM
yeah, i am a racist! finally, a black woman with power over white racist! this day is truly beautiful. we have a black president and first lady too! yahoo, life is good and guess what, i am far from stupid, but you two obviously are. btw, dave why do you live in bed stuy? did you realize that your neighbors are BLACK. scary right?
Posted by: girlongrand62 at February 26, 2009 8:11 PM
It does seem a little sad that by just having a painting of a black man. . .
Not surprising.
Posted by: superstooper at February 26, 2009 8:17 PM
I just can't imagine that this nastiness would be happening had the painting been something else. It is by Kehinde Wiley and it's breathtaking.
http://www.kehindewiley.com/main.html
Posted by: superstooper at February 26, 2009 8:24 PM
Superstooper--It doesn't have anything to do with the painting. Check goldie's post record. Nastiness seems to follow her. She seems to be a bad influence on Dave as well.
Posted by: fuplease at February 26, 2009 8:56 PM
Oh, I see. I still think that the person (Dave), was prompted by it, when he wanted an explanation of "white bread" when everyone knows that it means plain, tasteless, and boring. Call me crazy.
Posted by: superstooper at February 26, 2009 9:10 PM
To me, the problem with the painting is not the painting; it's the painting in that room, or probably any room in this apt. People joke about art needing to "match the couch." Well, it does have to work with the architecture and the decor, otherwise both suffer as they do in this case.
Posted by: Nomi at February 26, 2009 9:32 PM
normally, an opinion on any art would be just that, an artistic difference in opinion (and im highly involved in art by the way) clearly in this case there is a racial hypersensitivity. read the book about intellectual/emotional intelligence, it'll do you good. the racists are outed here. i'm done.
Posted by: goldie at February 27, 2009 12:30 AM
The painting looks fine. Face it, for most of you, if it isn't in the DWR catalog, it's not tasteful. I've just learned to accept this.
Posted by: Heather at February 27, 2009 7:45 AM
Aw, that's not fair. I didn't even know what the DWR catalog was. I'm a painter; it's my life. I love seeing unexpected choices. I just don't think this one works.
Posted by: Nomi at February 27, 2009 12:36 PM
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