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February 11, 2009

566 Hancock Street's Seen Better Days

This is a sad one. By last fall, the nine-unit building at 560 Hancock Street at Stuyvesant Avenue had been allowed to deteriorate to such a point that the Department of Buildings ordered that the building be vacated. Judging from a photo on Property Shark (which you can see on the jump), a handful of apartments were still occupied as recently as 2006, though the top floor appears gutted and windowless. What a shame—it's a beautiful building. It looks like HPD has stepped in to put up the scaffolding but shouldn't the landlord lose the building? This is a disgrace. GMAP P*Shark DOB

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Sad. It reminds me of that building on 7th Ave and 2nd Street that's been rotting away for years:

- http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2007/03/wassup_at_2nd_s.php

Whoops, sorry to slopejack this thread...

Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 11, 2009 11:05 AM

There was a large fir about a month or so ago that forced everyone out, including cornerbodega. The scaffolding is progress. There was a renovation of a large building across the street or at most a block away that really came out great.

Hopefully there will be some attention paid as to what becomes of this location architecturally. The Community Board is all over this one. The closure of the bodega drove a lot of the riff raff further north.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 11:12 AM

It might be the same architect SnarkSlope.. Both area had the same developers during the 1880s and early 1890s. I walk pass the building often and it truly hurts me to see it in this condition. I think there was a fire that is why there is no one there now.. I would really would hate to see this building go. Landmarking more of Stuyvesant Heights is so important to save buildings like this. I would love to see this building restored correctly and not some cheap renovation job.

Posted by: Amzi Hill at February 11, 2009 11:15 AM

DIBS, any idea who this Faison guy is? There's a specific performance lis pendens on the building but no details on ACRIS. Let's take it off his hands...

Posted by: housebywe at February 11, 2009 11:19 AM

"It looks like HPD has stepped in to put up the scaffolding but shouldn't the landlord lose the building? This is a disgrace."

Then buy it Brownstoner. Put your money up or maybe Dave sucks in Bed Stuy can be a partner.

"The closure of the bodega drove a lot of the riff raff further north."

What do you mean buy "Riff Raft" Dave? The Riff Raft that was there before you move to Bed Stuy Asshead???

The funny thing is the "Gentrification" movement is on "Life Support" and needs infusion of money! Dave I wonder if you are going to "Ride Out" the Depression or go back to Phllly??

BTW: Dave what happen to that "Buttermilk" thang Asshead????

Buh bye Retards....

The What (Obama please may I have some skittles)

Someday this war is gonna end..

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 11:23 AM

What...what is Riff Raft????

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 11:24 AM

It might be that boat he's always prattling on about.

Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 11, 2009 11:26 AM

"What...what is Riff Raft????"

It's me Water-Boarding your Mother....

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 11:28 AM

While individual row houses in Bed Stuy have been generally prized, especially in this part of town, multi-unit apartment buildings haven't fared as well, unfortunately. This is a fine, well appointed building, with a beautiful entryway, and what look like nice large spaces. These apartment buildings were built in the late 1900's to accomodate the rise in young families and single gentlemen who could commute to jobs in Brooklyn and Manhattan via what is now the Long Island Railroad, and later, other forms of public transportation. Unfortunately, as Bed Stuy's fortunes diminished, these types of buildings, more so than rowhouses, ended up as absentee landlord rentals, and some have gone way downhill, while others have remained in better condition.

Personally, I think if you've milked the building dry, deferred maintainance to the point of no return, and reached the point where it's uninhabitable and dangerous, you should be forced to sell to the city or an appropriate non-profit, and the building should be immediately sold or developed into affordable housing. I know that's how the city ended up becoming the largest landlord forty years ago, but that's because they decided to hold onto and manage the properties. A better solution would be to sell or cede to a non-profit, a religious entity, a tenant association, or a private owner. The sooner a building like this is renovated, and full of rent paying tenants, or owners, the better for the city's tax coffers and for the neighborhood.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 11, 2009 11:30 AM

What,
Serious question: Why would you be against preserving this piece of Bed Stuy history?

Posted by: brownstoner at February 11, 2009 11:32 AM

"Personally, I think if you've milked the building dry, deferred maintainance to the point of no return, and reached the point where it's uninhabitable and dangerous, you should be forced to sell to the city or an appropriate non-profit, and the building should be immediately sold or developed into affordable housing. I know that's how the city ended up becoming the largest landlord forty years ago, but that's because they decided to hold onto and manage the properties. A better solution would be to sell or cede to a non-profit, a religious entity, a tenant association, or a private owner. The sooner a building like this is renovated, and full of rent paying tenants, or owners, the better for the city's tax coffers and for the neighborhood."

And the new owners will do the same thing! Milk the building dry and we are back to square one. Hey retards we are in a DEPRESSION! Where is the money coming from to "Rehab" these places???? The problem is you did not do your homework when you brought you overpriced POPS!

The What (MM That finger)

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 11:35 AM

brownstoner...I don't think the What has had one constructive idea since I've been posting on here. Expecting that type person to actually add something to the conversation as opposed to just negative, annoying vitriol is against his pathology.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 11:39 AM

I'm sure 60 years of rent control and rent stabilization took its toll on the owner(s) of this fine building.

Posted by: Suburbandude at February 11, 2009 11:39 AM

"What,
Serious question: Why would you be against preserving this piece of Bed Stuy history?"

Wait a minute Brownstoner! I never said I was against anything! I looking at the reasons why! Don''t come off as some Knight in shinning armor trying to save Bed Stuy, you are trying to preserve your Property value and you could care less about any thing else!

Brownnstoner you sound so disingenuous makes me want to puke...

BTW Buh bye Retards..

The What (Obama is moving to Bed Stuy)

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 11:42 AM

And still he adds nothing. What an Asshat.

When someone is trying to preserve their property value they do typically, care a lot about everything else around them.

This kind of thinking of yours leads me to believe that, if you were actually a broker, you were the sleaziest, slimiest sort out there. This would be supported by your comments here and your general attitude, belligerence and assinine tone.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 11:46 AM

When areas like Bedford Stuyvesant and Park Slope were being developed the City of Brooklyn wanted a European feel by having anchor buildings that had curved or slanted corners. This building is to beautiful to just let sit like it is today.

Posted by: Amzi Hill at February 11, 2009 11:57 AM

I don't know who Faison is or whether he owns other buildings in the neighborhood. I bet he does.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 12:02 PM

Hey Dave I ask you a question about the "Buttermilk" dust off! Your non-response tells me it's dead. You see Asshead the Gentrification movement is dead. For the last seven years the retards have jacked--up New York City (Albee Square Mall and Coney Island for example) and now you are witnessing a collapsing Mutant Asset Bubble and I'm so delighted!

The retards need to have their asses kick before we can return to some normalcy. Maybe the TARP will have a provision for some skittles...

The What (Obama will save us...)

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 12:04 PM

What, your finger is deep in your ear, trying unsuccessfully to stimulate what's left of your syphalitic brain.

We may be in a recession, but that does not mean there isn't money out there. I still see rehab, renovation and building going on here in Crown Heights, and I would imagine everywhere else as well. There is never any success in sitting on your ass on the sidelines and criticising.

Where are YOUR good ideas? You do nothing but belittle and deride. Your defeatist and belligerent attitude is really getting to be an old song and dance. Seen it, didn't like it. Next.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 11, 2009 12:07 PM

This building is likely beyond repair. I live up the street and saw the fire, and watched as the FD put it out. It was a large fire, that had spread through most of the upper floors by the time the FD arrived. Between the extent of the fire, the damage done in putting it out, and the years of neglect, I doubt there's really much left to save.
Notice along the cornice, in the middle of the building, there's a large gap -- that's not just the cornice that's gone, but the brick. And at the right end, you'll see the wooden framed part is completely burned out -- looking up from the street, you can see the sky. It's a shame, as prior to the fire this thing could probably have been saved.
The scaffolding went up the day after the fire, as debris was actively falling to the street. About a week later, a large part of the tin cornice came loose and started flapping in the wind -- the FD came and cut that down. Nothing has (visibly) happened with it since.
Pity the neighbors to the right -- the scaffold extends to their house, and shots out the sun from their first two floors.

Posted by: el_nino at February 11, 2009 12:08 PM

I beleive there are some quaters in the building now.

Dave: The building on the opposite corner is owned and redone by the church on Jefferson. They did do a great job of that building. And the riff raft (sic) is - thankfully - gone.

I think the What should buy this. Then he can stop talking sh!t and actually do something productive with his life.

Dave: Not much of a guess as to how bad the What was as a real estate agent.

Posted by: Miss Chiff at February 11, 2009 12:11 PM

I've asked you many questions and never gotten an answer. I answered about Butternut a few months ago. Go to Bedstuyblog for a longer answer. It will happen some day, just not in this environment.

Is "skittles" code, What.

Please add something constructive to the outlook for this property or go back to your room.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 12:12 PM

The What doesn't care about preserving this Bed Stuy building even though that would seem inconsistent for a self-described longtime resident of Brooklyn because he doesn't actually live in Brooklyn. We know that. He was called out for that ages ago. This is just yet more proof of it.

Posted by: traditionalmod at February 11, 2009 12:17 PM

"We may be in a recession, but that does not mean there isn't money out there. "

Really MM???!!! Then how come the United States of America is pumping Billions of dollars into the system????

Democrats Near Agreement on $789.5 Billion Stimulus (Update1)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ag7KM0MV7gAs&refer=home

Feb. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic House and Senate leaders are near agreement on a $789.5 billion economic stimulus plan, a leadership aide said today.

789 Billion dollars of Tax slaves money that the Big Boys will loan back to you and pocket the interest. The scandals going on at Lehman and AIG is disgusting.

"Where are YOUR good ideas?" Here ya go!

1. Let the Banks CRASH! Lets not throw away anymore Tax Slaves money on these insolvent institutions.

2. Let start locking some Assheads who started this crap and send them to POUNDME prison.

3.. Lets go back to 28%/35% Ratios and 25% down payments and be credit worthy to get a GOD Damn Mortgage!

4. Lets Tax the living daylights out of "investment" property!

5. Put a Hard Core Flip Tax in any Property sold within a two year period!

6. Homebuyer education seminars is mandatory for getting a Mortgage!

7.If you don't maintain your house or leave it empty to flip, you should lose it!

*If you default in a Mortgage and the government use TARP money to buy the paper then the housing should be made available to low income (Working Class) people!

There you go MM! Suck some of this down and get back to me!!!!!!!!!!!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 12:26 PM

"It will happen some day, just not in this environment."

DAVE=PWNED!!!!!!!!!!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 12:29 PM

WHAT=YAWN!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SnarkSlope at February 11, 2009 12:31 PM

have any of you ever heard the adage "don't feed the trolls"?

Posted by: el_nino at February 11, 2009 12:37 PM

Although one or two of your suggestions are valid What; the rest are just left of left idiotic rantings.

I think your problem is that you despise anyone, particulrly gentrifiers, as you call them, who have made money in real estate over the past 5-10 years. You apparently haven't because if you had you wouldn't be living in your mothers basement in Lodi, NJ.

There's a few others on this blog who represent that bitter point of view but none so much belligerant as you.

I also call you on your veiled racist use of the term "gentrifiers" at every opportunity. Your rantings about gentrifiers moving into Bed Stuy is the most farcical. Is it not those people who live there that have benefitted the most??? Their property values have gone up from a very, very low base. I'm sure they are all happy.

You, on the other hand, apparently were not smart enough to benefit from this whole thing. Bitter.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 12:40 PM

No kidding, what. I can read and watch the news too. I am well aware of what's going on. You deliberately misinterpreted my statement, but that's ok, I expect nothing more. A few of your ideas aren't even bad, although hardly original. I've been saying there should be a mandatory mortgage class for years, so I'm so glad you agree with me.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at February 11, 2009 12:41 PM

el nino...I like the phrase "Don't engage the loons" especially since the What thinks its code.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 12:42 PM

Snark, you missunderstand the What. Let me translate ....

"Dear Fellow BRownstoners:

I know nothing about being proactive and taking a leading role in improving my life or the lives of others in my neighborhood of birth. In fact, I know nothing.

Although some of you see this as a sad event, this kind of destruction makes me feel better. You may not know this, but I was taught that the only way to make myself feel better is to try to bring others down. Self-empowerment and self-improvement are not part of my vocabulary. This should come as no surprise to you all since my vocabulary is very limited.

And please don't expect me to answer your questions directly. That would require me think, formulate a response and - with my very limited vocabulary - attempt to respond. Such a process is simply beyond me.

In closing, I would like to warn you that I will continue to cut and paste irrelevant articles, find racism and class warfare where none exists and compalin about Brownstoner while reading and participating in all discussions on a regular basis.

Warmest regards,

The What

I complain, therefore I exist ......."

Posted by: Miss Chiff at February 11, 2009 12:49 PM

" it not those people who live there that have benefitted the most??? Their property values have gone up from a very, very low base. I'm sure they are all happy."

So when the settlers invaded middle America that was the excuse the told the Indians! "We are here to make it "Better" for you??? ROTFLMMFAO!

When the Jews "took over" the West Back and sent the Palistaines into Refugee camps the said the same thing!!!!! We are here to make it "BETTER" for you LMMFAOROTMFF!!!!

Oh man where is the "benefit"???

You guys crack me up and Dave you are finished... OH Man this is funny!!!

The What (Here have some Skittles, LMMFAO)

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 12:50 PM

" it not those people who live there that have benefitted the most??? Their property values have gone up from a very, very low base. I'm sure they are all happy."

So when the settlers invaded middle America that was the excuse the told the Indians! "We are here to make it "Better" for you??? ROTFLMMFAO!

When the Jews "took over" the West Bank and sent the Palistaines into Refugee camps the said the same thing!!!!! We are here to make it "BETTER" for you LMMFAOROTMFF!!!!

Oh man where is the "benefit"???

You guys crack me up and Dave you are finished... OH Man this is funny!!!

The What (Here have some Skittles, LMMFAO)

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 12:51 PM

"Dear Fellow BRownstoners:

I know nothing about being proactive and taking a leading role in improving my life or the lives of others in my neighborhood of birth. In fact, I know nothing.

Warmest regards,

The What

I complain, therefore I exist ......."

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 12:53 PM

Why Skittles?

Posted by: wasder at February 11, 2009 12:59 PM

Wasder: As the What's press secrtary, let me answer that ...

Have you ever seen a black skittle?! No. Why? Because the makers of skittles are racists.

Skittles are the candy of choice for racists who will go to any length to avoid anything black.

Posted by: Miss Chiff at February 11, 2009 1:04 PM

Wow. We're into Jews vs. Palestinians, White Men vs. Native Americans. I'll bet whoever built this building never dreamed that 100 years later, people would be trading such bitter invective over its deterioration.

Posted by: East New York at February 11, 2009 1:04 PM

Yes it's sad about the state of this building but I think there's still hope. I lived down the street from the following place for several years and always looked at it sort of wistfully when I walked by. The transformation has been amazing. I can't believe that it wasn't in worse shape than the other building:
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/01/lottery_for_420.php

PACC did a fantastic job of resurrecting this and a number of other properties as affordable housing. Not to be a pollyanna but I think it's entirely possible that something positive an happen yet with the Bed-Stuy building besides demolition. It's great housing stock worth saving. Though, realistically, in this climate it will take time.

Posted by: herkimermaid at February 11, 2009 1:06 PM

wasder- syphilitic brains have difficulty processing data- he meant rainbow (if you've seen their ads).

"When the Jews "took over" the West Bank and sent the Palistaines into Refugee camps the said the same thing!!!!! "

Notice the confusion with basic terms- Jews/Israelis, Palistinians/Palistaines (I believe a palistaine is a coloring for wood. Not a brand I've heard of, however). And a complete incomprehension about the Middle East. It's sad to see the deterioration. I can only watch with pity and hope his family finds a nice home to put him in.

Posted by: bxgrl at February 11, 2009 1:07 PM

Ah, Miss Chiff. And here I thought skittles were those little buggy things with numerous legs that run amuck though his version of a brain.

Posted by: bxgrl at February 11, 2009 1:09 PM

The What is no doubt in favor of fixing the property, Mr. B., he just doesn't want guys who look like us doing it. (Especially like you) lol.

Posted by: denton at February 11, 2009 1:12 PM

Funny, my neighbors and I get along fine. I didn't put them on a reservation or send them to the West bank.

The more you rant the more obvious it becomes that you're really a loon.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 1:17 PM

That's exactly it, denton.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 1:26 PM

"The What is no doubt in favor of fixing the property, Mr. B., he just doesn't want guys who look like us doing it. (Especially like you) lol."

Not Assheads Denton, not Retards looking disingenuous! No one answered the real reason why they want this property fixed. I will tell you why: You witnessing the collapse of the Mutant Asset Bubble and there is no more Lithium Crystals to power the Reality Distortion Field Generator! Now you wish someone would fix a building that has been neglected for years like the same Retards wish the Atlantic Shelter would go away. This is cognitive dissonance at it very best and that the Retards reenforces my point everyday! If this Building bathers you so much then make an offer to but it and spend YOUR MONEY restoring it to it's past beauty.

Ya'll are just a bunch of unemployed, out of work, priced out of Park Slope, Ghetto Hi-jacking Retards A.K.A Asshats....

The What (Obama is going to buy me a pony, ROTFLMMFAO!)

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 1:50 PM

The What would like to thank you all for your suggestions relating to this property. Unfortunately, he does not have the funds or financing at this time to assist you in restoring this property and providing affordable housing in a neighborhood that would greatly benefit from such a project.

He would like to offer all of you the opportunity to restore this diamond in the rough, as long as you do not allow anyone with the means to pay the rent from actually living there.

Again, thank you all and may you all enjoy the rest of your day.

Posted by: Miss Chiff at February 11, 2009 2:00 PM

WOW!!! He really is losing it. That paragraph made absolutely no sense whatever. It's like he's one of the crazy people wearing a garbage bag walking down the street.

I really like the skittles thing though; that was good.

Maybe I'll start using "Crows" in my sign off......black licorice gumdrops...no other colors.

http://candy-crate.stores.yahoo.net/licorice.html

I think the "Good and Plenty" people might be suspect though. They've got a licorice candy covered in white!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 2:01 PM

Good and Plenty and Mike and Ikes are strickly forbidden.

As for the garbage bag, please note that all the fall collections include garbage bags. Please keep up, Dave.

Posted by: Miss Chiff at February 11, 2009 2:05 PM

Speaking of designers, Miss Chiff, I haven't seen out two neighborhood designers in quite a while...the shoe guy and the Japanese guy.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 2:08 PM

Now that Barbara's store has moved to Malcolm X, I haven't been up on the gossip. And I have been working long hours lately, so I miss the daily gatherings at the store.

Barbara had a party for the local GLBT community as part of the Super Bowl. We did not attend. I need to reconnect with Barbara & Co. when things settle down for me.

I have heard that shoe guy has been having some personal and financial problems. Let's hope he gets it together for his sake.

Posted by: Miss Chiff at February 11, 2009 2:17 PM

I have not seen Barbara either in quite some time. I went over around Thanksgiving and she was closed. I miss the cats.

I hope she is doing OK.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 2:23 PM

And, you haven't heard of anyone renting her old space have you?? I'm sure its not going to happen given the ambiguity in the ownership and the fact that its not really habitable.

If a Crown Chicken goes in I'll poke holes in the roof.

And who did that pink paint on the front?????

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 2:25 PM

Barbara is doing quite well. She now lives in the neighborhood. Her store is between Putnam and Jefferson on the east side of Malcolm X.

I see the for rent sign. Let's hope it stays up until they tear down that illegal POS.

I heard about the Crown Chicken, but the space is not legal and would need serious upgrades to run that kind of business from the space. I seriously doubt Crown or any "restaurant" is moving in there.

As for the pink paint, who knows. Perhaps we have a gay tagger in the 'hood.

Posted by: Miss Chiff at February 11, 2009 2:49 PM

Oh What. Gentrification isn't all black and white!

Posted by: mopar at February 11, 2009 2:58 PM

Agree. I don't think its habitable. yes, I've been to her store but just haven't seen her recently. I don't want that building torn down and then some new POS put up with windows into my yard!!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at February 11, 2009 2:58 PM

With the required set back for a drive way on a new POS, the house would be 2 inches deep!

Posted by: Miss Chiff at February 11, 2009 3:05 PM

Brownstoner:

Several years ago I had my taxi on a drive in from the airport turn into Pacific Street to take a look at my 1950s childhood block.

A few of its old apartment houses looked to be in the condition of the one pictured here. Over the last year I returned and found the buildings renovated and re-occupied! (Proving things are never entirely lost -- if there's the will and the way.)

Growing up in Brooklyn I had friends in several buildings like this. These were middle-class tenements consisting of apartments with lots of rooms and halls that twisted and turned. The best of them -- the Imperial and the Alhambra -- seemed palatial. Others were merely idiosyncratic with the kind of floor plans that showed 19th-century Brooklyn architects had as yet to resolve the apartment "problem." A nice feature: each apartment had an entry door with frosted glass, much nicer than the solid metal one at my family's place, which was built around World War I.

Montrose Morris was right to point out the wonderful Romanesque-Revival street entrance. Think of it. This was a speculative building for middle-class families. Compare the care and attention to detail practiced then with today's Fourth-Avenue condos.

And realize why this building should be restored.

Nostalgic on Park Avenue

Posted by: NOP at February 11, 2009 3:44 PM

I can solve this problem easily....

First, we have to realize that people who own shell buildings like this one (or the 7th Ave scaffolding monster) have no incentive to sell. In fact, many have a disincentive b/c of tax consequences, etc..

The goal is to discourage the long term holding of property.
As a result, you have to make holding a condemned building long term very expensive. You can create a new property class in the tax code for non-productive structures and give them a new set of property taxes. You can nuance the system so that owners/developers can buy these properties and renovate them without paying the penalty taxes or something.

Posted by: slick at February 11, 2009 4:31 PM

One of Montrose Morris most grand apartments The Alhambra was in the same state or worse. Look at this:
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/BES/BED010-AlhambraApartments%20.htm

These buildings are always salvageable... I hope the same can be done to this one...

Posted by: Amzi Hill at February 11, 2009 4:32 PM

Thanks, Amzi, for reminding me about the Alhambra.

Now there's an example of a formerly grand building fallen on hard times and resurrected as solid housing! (Same with the Imperial, if I'm right.)

Only it's too bad that some of the old interior character of these places gets lost: the wainscotting, mantles, and creaking wood floors that give them so much personality; and the quirky floor plans that get erased to bring them up to "standard."

But at least they remain a pleasure from the street.

(The Hancock building, by the way, probably had pretty substantial apartments. Judging from the fire-escape configuration, there may have been only two apartments per floor, perfect for "rising" 19th-century middle-class families.)

NOP

Posted by: NOP at February 11, 2009 5:19 PM

I'm going to purchase this building and rent only to hootchie mamas who will inevitably have to strike a deal with me when they can't pay the rent...

Posted by: Big Jugs at February 11, 2009 5:51 PM

"Now you wish someone would fix a building that has been neglected for years like the same Retards wish the Atlantic Shelter would go away."

There are an awful lot of long time Black residents and homeowner retards who are fighting the Atlantic Shelter and last time I looked Tish James, Al Vann and several other involved politicians were also Black. And by your lights also retarded.

Finally- true equality. You don't have to be only white to be a retard in What's book.

Posted by: bxgrl at February 11, 2009 6:31 PM

Bxgrl I don't know why you attacking me. I think your time would be better served by looking for a job. Let's start there and become a productive member of society.

"Finally- true equality. You don't have to be only white to be a retard in What's book."

I love how the retards are framing my arguments as a "Black and White" issues. I wished it was that easy but the whole "Asshead Movement" is a complex issue.

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at February 11, 2009 8:50 PM

Indeed, it is complex. It's not black and white. That's what I was saying.

DIBS and Miss Chiff, stop talking to yourself. You're scaring me.

Posted by: mopar at February 11, 2009 11:29 PM

What- I'm not attacking you, but I am attacking some of the things you say. I spend quite a bit of time looking for work and frankly, I've already spent years being a productive member of society and it takes more than just a job to make someone so.

If I've misunderstood your comments on any "Black/White" issues, i certainly apologize. It is a complex issue but it becomes difficult to not misinterpret because of the lnaguage you use. And I will reiterate again, I think you are far too intelligent a man to need to post the way you do. In fact I agreed with quite of bit of what you said at 12:26 except I don't think we can afford to let the banks fail. I didn't appreciate the comment about Jews (being one myself) and I did react to that.

Posted by: bxgrl at February 12, 2009 12:01 AM

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