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January 23, 2009
Sexual Attack on St. Felix Prompts Press Conference

Yesterday morning shortly before 6 a.m a woman on her way to work at Brooklyn Hospital was sexually attacked on St. Felix Street between Fulton and Dekalb Avenues. Here's what was posted on the Fort Greene Kids list by someone who spoke to police on the scene:
A young female doctor was assaulted, raped and robbed at around 5:45am on her way to work at Brooklyn Hospital. The attack occurred on St Felix Street between Fulton & Dekalb. Supposedly, the attacker dragged her down a stoop and hid behind some garbage cans. As far as I know, he got away. This was a very bold sexual assault - outdoors in freezing weather in the middle of a residential block on a garbage pick up morning and around the time the NY Times delivery guy comes by.
We were able to confirm that as of last night the police had no one in custody. City Councilmember Letitia James will be holding a press conference today at 3 p.m. at the corner of Fulton and St. Felix to call for more police presence in the area and to raise awareness about safety measures.
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this is one of those things where it's actually completely impossible to comment on.. definitely horrible and disgustingly tragic tho, i hope they find who did it and that the woman is okay.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 23, 2009 9:13 AM
Well Rob, presumably all the people who think its wrong for brownstoner to report on local assaults will have an opinion on this too. Unless they're hypocrites of course.
Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 9:15 AM
"Here's what was posted on the Fort Greene Kids list by someone who spoke to police on the scene"
Fort Greene kids list???
"upposedly, the attacker dragged her down a stoop and hid behind some garbage cans. As far as I know, he got away. This was a very bold sexual assault - outdoors in freezing weather in the middle of a residential block on a garbage pick up morning and around the time the NY Times delivery guy comes by."
Diid they get a description of the attacker? Did the victim yell and call for help?
"We were able to confirm that as of last night the police had no one in custody."
We as in "We who"? Brownnstoner? The Fort Greene kids list? The News? WHO??!!!
" City Councilmember Letitia James will be holding a press conference today at 3 p.m. at the corner of Fulton and St. Felix to call for more police presence in the area and to raise awareness about safety measures."
Aw good ole Letitia James trying to get some face time in. It's real sad when her seat comes up, the Asshats are going to vote her out!
Brownstoner I know some better happen last night in Asshat Hill but when interest in Real Estate is going down you will do anything to save Brownstoner.com. Nothing to see here move along...
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at January 23, 2009 9:25 AM
Leave it to you to add the insightful bits.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 9:31 AM
number one reason why we should all have motion activated flood lights over the stoop area. they look bad and can be annoying, but they are preventative. My heart goes out to the victim and shame on anyone who uses this as an opportunity to grandstand. We should be working together as a community to protect each other and our visitors from crimes like this.
Posted by: miss priss at January 23, 2009 9:45 AM
This is a horrendous crime and we hope the victim recovers well. We cannot relate more to this since we also use to go to the hospital @ 5:30AM and live in the area. The recent up-tick in overt crime in this area is very disturbing for our beloved Fort Greene. Yours truly adores this neighborhood and we in fact walk along St Felix and Lafayette everyday at around so 6AM so this is really worrisome...will pray for the victim and seriously consider driving and or packing but definitely NOT moving.
miss priss the motion activated lights idea is an excellent one.
Posted by: pierre de taille at January 23, 2009 10:09 AM
every brownstone, or at least every other brownstone, needs a stoop trooper. basically they just sit on the stoop watching the street and live in one of the bedrooms of your brownstone, free room and board. sort of like a night watchman. or maybe just one on every street each time, but alternating by the day. i guess that's the same as a community watch tho.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 23, 2009 10:18 AM
Actually, What, we were able to directly contact the Council Member, the Captain of the 88th Precinct and the person who lives on that block and posted to the FG Kids list. We think this is the kind of thing most readers would want to be aware of.
Posted by: brownstoner at January 23, 2009 10:18 AM
i do hope the subhuman filth is caught and then surgically castrated.
Posted by: 11214 at January 23, 2009 10:20 AM
i do hope the subhuman filth is caught and then surgically castrated.
Posted by: 11214 at January 23, 2009 10:20 AM
I like both the ideas of motion lights and stoop troopers. Anything that individuals can do to keep their neighborhood safer is awesome in my opinion. While increased police patrols may have a great impact, I think it is up to the people to do our part to keep our areas safer for people who have to be out early/late. It would be nice to see people get involved as volunteer stoop troopers and send a message that we won't allow our neighbors to be victimized.
Posted by: InsertSnappyNameHere at January 23, 2009 10:27 AM
Gee, I wonder if it was a black man? Say it ain't so. Pathetic.
Posted by: PropJoe at January 23, 2009 10:37 AM
she should have screamed her head off when he was dragging her. Im sure someone would have reacted.
Posted by: troll at January 23, 2009 10:42 AM
Someone who works at Brooklyn Hospital posted to FGKids this morning that she heard the police arrested a suspect.
Posted by: rf at January 23, 2009 10:43 AM
I was one of the people who don't think Brownstoner should be the police blotter, and I still don't. However, as a woman, I feel rape is a crime that cannot be tolerated, and people should be aware, and warned. This is not some ipod stealing teenager. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victim, and I hope the perp is caught quickly, and put away for good, under the jail.
I think flood lights and neighborhood awareness are necessary, and we all need to be extra vigilent about watching where we are, and what is going on around us. No one deserves to be attacked in any way, form, or fashion.
That said, this does not make Ft Greene "dangerous", it makes it part of the larger urban landscape that always has a chance of having violent crime occur. That landscape is called New York City. Nowhere is immune. Let's keep a level head, keep our eyes open, and be careful, and watch out for ourselves and others.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at January 23, 2009 10:45 AM
So MM, you think its not ok for Brownstoner to report local violent assault, but local sexual assault should be reported? Please clarify, please don't obfuscate.
Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 10:50 AM
quote:
she should have screamed her head off when he was dragging her. Im sure someone would have reacted.
im sure she did. i mean hells she SHOULD just have harnessed her super hero strength while it was happening so this wouldnt have happened :-/
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 23, 2009 10:53 AM
I happen to appreciate Mr. B posting stories like this because I feel it's very important for everybody to always keep in mind that these attacks are happening and, as has happened here in the past, these threads often end up resulting in people posting reminders about how to protect oneself in the face of attacks, which, unfortunately will likely be on the rise in light of police budget cuts.
Posted by: Biff Champion at January 23, 2009 10:54 AM
I agree Biff, I think its a community role that blogs like Brownstoner has that adds a layer to community communication that already exists.
Now if only he'd delete idiot comments by propjoe.
Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 10:57 AM
They should burn down the PJs on the other side of the park & build the Nets arena in the charred landscape.
Posted by: PropJoe at January 23, 2009 10:57 AM
why is all the crime reported on this site in fort greene? is it up that much more over other bk neighborhoods?
Posted by: bklynbpr at January 23, 2009 11:08 AM
"Actually, What, we were able to directly contact the Council Member, the Captain of the 88th Precinct and the person who lives on that block and posted to the FG Kids list. We think this is the kind of thing most readers would want to be aware of."
Hey Brownstoner I noticed one thing lately: You are getting "Real Chatty" with me! Is there something going on I should know about or maybe some of my predictions are coming true?
Or maybe I have connected with the Baseball bat and you little Blog on Cover Race/Class warfare is taking a hit? What up homeboy you can tell me me.
BTW there was more crimes last night why this one? I think you are trying to spread fear now because no one cares about Real Estate anymore..
The What
Someday this war is gonna ned...
Posted by: Return of The What at January 23, 2009 11:10 AM
MM disagree strongly. such stories should serve as reminders of risk , since we get into our routines and let our guard down. Your reasoning for why one is worth reporting and the other not, if there is any, is really perplexing. Report on sexual assault but not getting jumped by thugs and beaten for money? Gender bias?
Keep on reporting Mr.B.
Posted by: goldie at January 23, 2009 11:11 AM
don't forget the laptop-stealing spree in PS
Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 11:12 AM
Everyone should keep a boxcutter or a large knife on them. I always have one in case some Obama lovin' brotha decides to rob this brotha. I'll slice those dudes up.
Posted by: PropJoe at January 23, 2009 11:21 AM
propjoe - Please keep yours wedged between your second and third ribs.
Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 11:23 AM
Propjoe you are truly insensitive and dumb....
My prayers go out to the victim and to be honest
there should be more cops on patrol, Fort Greene
is just like any other neighborhood even with expensive
properties and tony brownstones crime can happen anywhere at anytime. I just hope they find this piece of shit and throw the book at him
Posted by: mysideofstuy at January 23, 2009 11:29 AM
Rape is so fucked up - this perp sounds like a total psychopath. I hope the victim can move on with her life and not let this incident ruin her life.
Posted by: infinitejester at January 23, 2009 11:35 AM
I am personally thankful to Brownstoner for posting this information. I live across the street from where the incident happened and after talking to cops at the scene and calling the precinct directly, I was not able to get any information. I even asked if I should be concerned for my own personal safety as I didn't know if it was a domestic incident in someone's home or a random attack. I was just smugly told I'd see it in the news. This is a reminder to everyone that violent crime can happen anywhere at anytime and we need to watch out for ourelves and each other. My heart goes out to everyone affected by this...
Posted by: Haiku25 at January 23, 2009 11:36 AM
Horrific....why, why, why!
I hate being reminded that crime happens!
Why can't we live in Utopia.
Be Safe.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at January 23, 2009 11:38 AM
FYI, statistically speaking most rapes happen in the morning, between 5 am and 9 am.
So if you are a woman, be particularly careful around these times.
Posted by: Dora Chica at January 23, 2009 11:41 AM
Rape is an extraordinarily violent crime. I'm in no way defending violent muggings, but rape is not in the same category as getting beat up over an IPod.
Posted by: tinarina at January 23, 2009 11:41 AM
It's good for brownstoner to post these things- its not just about real estate. Its about neighborhoods and the people who live in them. Being attacked is horrible. It stays with you for a long, long time. You never walk down the street without looking over your shoulder or wondering if this one or that one will be the next one to get you again.
What seems to be new is that there's a greater call to take more responsibility for taking care of ourselves and our communities. I might be wrong, but in poorer neighborhoods there was always more of a sense of watching out for each other- at least, that's what I've always seen. I love that my neighbors are busybodies- they see something, they say something. But that said-
Posters like troll and propjoe should only go through what this young woman did. Karma's a baitch guys. But then again, propjoe isn't real- he's such a cartoon that I've been positive for a long time he's someones fantasy faux Black man persona. In fact he's so cliched I think he's some white guy trying to be a smartass. Not working too well either.
Posted by: bxgrl at January 23, 2009 11:45 AM
Definitely keep up with these types of postings, Mr. B. We're concerned on this blog with the overall quality of life in Brownstone Brooklyn. Why on earth shouldn't awareness of violent crime in our neighborhoods be a part of that?
Posted by: Park Sloper at January 23, 2009 11:48 AM
I don't categorize victims of violence- getting badly beaten up over an Ipod is just as devastating and painful to the victim as is a rape. I don't understand the need to say things llike this.
Posted by: bxgrl at January 23, 2009 11:49 AM
Dora, is that true - so early in the day?
Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 11:52 AM
"why is all the crime reported on this site in fort greene? is it up that much more over other bk neighborhoods?" This blog is based in Clinton Hill so it is not surprising that there would be more detailed info about FG/CH than other neighborhoods.
Posted by: wasder at January 23, 2009 11:54 AM
Perhaps that was what MM was actually referring to- about brownstoner not becoming a police blotter. there's crime everywhere but since this blog focuses on brownstone neighborhoods those crime reports are apropo. but to do a police blotter for all Brooklyn would be too much?
Posted by: bxgrl at January 23, 2009 12:01 PM
To any who care, here is my reasoning - I feel much of the crime reporting on Brownstoner becomes an excuse for the PropJoes of this blog to come out of the woodwork.
Since Brownstoner lives in Clinton Hill, it makes sense that most of the crime reports he gets are in the FG/CH area. This is one of the most racially and economically integrated neighborhoods in Brooklyn, and a desireable place to live, in part because of that diversity. However, it has always been a place where random street violence has taken place, I've known that since I first started hanging out with Pratt friends in the late 70's. They were all mugged, one several times. She still loves the neighborhood. That is not acceptable, desireable, or in any way an ok thing. I am not excusing those who commit these crimes, or blaming those who are victims. Much more needs to be done on many fronts to make this stop, and compared to the late 70's, now is an urban garden. Things have definitely gotten better, but street crime is still here.
But it seems to me that many of the stories reported here quickly turn into an anti project, and anti minority rant, which I feel misrepresents the majority of hard working people who live there. There is no distinction made between them and the criminals who prey more on them than on the yuppies of Clinton Hill. We get code words like "animals", "AA's", and the like, which makes the What right - do nothing constructive but perpetuate the race and class struggle. All this filters down into the old suspicions and prejudices causing people to once more start to cross the street when a group of Bishop Laughlin boys walk down the street, as well as when a group of truly dangerous kids may be prowling. If better safe than sorry is going to rule, then perhaps I should cross the street when I see a group of white guys in suits coming. After all, Wall St. misfeasance has mugged me far worse than some teenager. We've come so far, I don't want us to go back to the them vs us days.
If you are going to report muggings and street crime, then report it everywhere. We should be as concerned about a mugging on Nostrand and Park Place as on Bushwick Ave, as on Clinton and Willoughby, or Garfield and 6th. If it's no concern of ours "there", then we are not doing a service, we are feeding fears and asking for the worst in us to come out.
Rape is another thing altogether, and if I have to explain why, then you don't get it, and I'm not obfuscating by not going into the reasons. I have no problems with reporting this, and as I said before, I hope the creep is put under the jail. Maybe I am more sensitive to rape because I am a woman. So? But the same applies. If someone is raped in my neighborhood, then they deserve the same outrage, the same coverage, the same press conferences, and increased police activity. Either we are all equal, or we are not.
If posting stories on Brownstoner keeps someone safe, then fine. If not, then it is only sensationalism, and an opportunity for the brain dead among us to speak. I really don't need to hear from them.
Hey, I don't have the answers. It's Jon's blog. This is my opinion, you are free to agree or think I'm full of it. I hope today's victim is recovering and finds justice.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at January 23, 2009 12:03 PM
I surely understand that reasoning- propjoe already visited, just to illustrate your point.
Unfortunately it seems nearly anything can bring them out of the woodwork- the price of a house, what neighborhood its in, what's a good restaurant. Some folk make no end of opportunity for posting hate- at least they do a good job of exposing themselves.
Posted by: bxgrl at January 23, 2009 12:16 PM
MM - I have a lot of respect for you through your postings, but that just seems like a politician's answer. I don't think you're full of it, but I think you are being hypocritical.
I'm sure you will agree that racists like propjoe don't become racists through "knowledge". As far as I can see there is no way to determine what race the attacker was, and propjoe didn't become any more racist because of this, he's already got his mind made up. He'kll use it to reinforce his prejudice - but he'll more than likely use anything to do that.
I will acknowledge we see things differently. You call "animals" a code word, and yet the very same term was used time and time again in the racially homogeneous (non-US) community I grew up in to describe people who attack others. People would write into the local paper to complain though, pointing at that animals were actually nice to one another and only humans had wars etc...
Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 12:18 PM
As I said much earlier, I would rather have Mr. B inform us of these crimes (at the risk of having scum like PropJoe commenting) in order to keep potential victims aware of what can is does happen and hopefully allow them to defend themselves if ever faced with this horrific situation. In past threads when commenters have come on and posted tips on how to stay safe, such tips were met with great appreciation. There should be no tolerance in these threads however for "anti project, and anti minority rants" that Montrose speaks of above. As bxgrl suggests above, I too agree that, given the theme and very name of this blog, it does make sense to focus primarily on crimes committed in "brownstone Brooklyn".
Posted by: Biff Champion at January 23, 2009 12:19 PM
I don't think the crime postings are meant primarily for information, but for the story. It's just plain shocking - "did you know a woman was raped in the middle of the block on a garbage pickup day??" "oh wow, that is really unbelievable." I read police blotters on occasion but it's always the same old, same old.
Posted by: infinitejester at January 23, 2009 12:32 PM
Thanks for posting this, 'stoner.
Posted by: BoerumHill at January 23, 2009 12:42 PM
The news is very shocking and I'm thankful for the reminder that things like this do happen in your hood and you have to protect yourself. My only suggestion is to never walk on the sidewalks when out late or very early. I tend to walk in the middle of streets and sway from one side to the next. Also I'm always curious to know if the perps attack just anyone out and about or do they specifically target smaller women? Again this is sad news and i hope the victim gets the help she needs to recover.
Posted by: grip100692 at January 23, 2009 12:45 PM
"In fact he's so cliched I think he's some white guy trying to be a smartass."
Clearly.
Posted by: East New York at January 23, 2009 1:20 PM
"she should have screamed her head off when he was dragging her. Im sure someone would have reacted."
have you ever heard of kitty genovese?
Posted by: 11214 at January 23, 2009 2:12 PM
11214 - whats your point? just take it? fighting/screaming is your best bet, nobody wants the attention. this happened to someone i know and the physical resistance plus yelling scared the guy off.
Posted by: goldie at January 23, 2009 2:30 PM
Is this press conference gonna be on ny1?
Posted by: boofer at January 23, 2009 2:45 PM
Wow MM you know we value your contribution and respect your opinions in general but have to say with all due respect your reasoning still makes NO logic and is tinged with hypocrisy as Dittoburg pointed out. How can reporting crimes be inappropriate for this blog except when its rape? So what if propjoe is a moron? He / she is one idiot. The overwhelming majority of comments here have been very supportive and positive. Mr B is doing a fantastic job informing us on all aspects of RE of which crime can be an integral part. We are especially thankful in this case since we live in FG as well.
Posted by: pierre de taille at January 23, 2009 2:47 PM
11214's point was that- if you remember this very famous case- was that even though Kitty Genovese's neighbors heard her screaming no one even picked up a phone to call the police. Some even saw it from their windows. He was answering the poster who assumed the victim didn't scream or fight back.
which also brings up the point that fighting back can also escalate your danger- especially if you have a gun held to your head or a knife in your back. So let's also not assume if the victim didn't scream or fight back it was because she didn't want to. When you're in a situation like that you're only thinking about how to survive it and you do what you hope will work. And yes- speaking from experience here.
Ok- you don't have to agree with MM but she is the last person I would call a hypocrite. Her point was that too often pepole take posts like these to become racist bashes- and we've all seen that. MM's reasoning is carefully thought out, and hardly merits the name calling.
Posted by: bxgrl at January 23, 2009 4:40 PM
I too live on this block and when I asked the police what happend I was given no answer even when I pressed them. I am irate that they did not at least tell me to take extra caution. I feel it is extremely unfair to withhold this info from the community. This crime sickens me. Thank you Brownstoner for posting this news, this is the only place on the web that I could find any info on what happened.
Posted by: Fort Greene BK at January 23, 2009 5:00 PM
Pierre, I reserve the right to be irrational and not make sense at all times. :) I guess I just find rape to be much worse than having your belongings stolen. Since, thank God, neither have happened to me, and hopefully never will, I guess I don't really know, and I'm just projecting.
I have had my apt broken into and robbed, not in NYC, and I have had my purse snatched on the UWS. Those were distressing enough, but not as bad as being physically threatened, I understand that.
Maybe I'm just too defensive about black and Hispanic people being once again alienated, marginalized and pre-judged as dangerous because of the actions of a small minority. Maybe I'm tired of the PropJoes of the world, and am still reacting to some posts I read on Curbed the other day that were the most racist, hateful things I've read this side of a KKK blog, ostensibly written by the same demographic that reads this blog. Maybe I was just hoping that when things get bad, people wouldn't turn on each other like ravenous wolves. Too much to hope, I suppose.
I do think hypocritical is way too strong. Not a fully thought position out would be closer to fact, but most of us, I think, are not 100% thought out on anything.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at January 23, 2009 5:10 PM
"I am irate that they did not at least tell me to take extra caution." - you live in NYC and you actually need them to tell you that? C'mon.
Understand- the police are there investigating a crime- it's not the job of the cop on the beat to give you investigative information. Number 1- they may not have all the information at that point. Number 2- in the immediate aftermath of a crime they are concentrating on their job- they have no idea if you or your neighbor is a perpetrator, if you're hiding the rapist in your house. At tht point they ar simply gathering info and this is how they approach it. You would do better to get in touch with your community liaison at the precinct. this kind of information is really their job.
Posted by: bxgrl at January 23, 2009 5:14 PM
Brownstoner:
Many years ago in the dead of night, my family was wakened by screams in the street.
My father, a skinny little guy, looked out the window and saw a woman being attacked by two men.
Without a word, he threw a coat over his pajamas, grabbed one of his boys' baseball bats, and flew out the door, our dog in tow.
The would-be rapists took flight and only when they got far enough away did Dad return to the young woman (who was pregnant!) to wait for the police to show up.
From that night on, whenever our dog heard a ruckus outside, he went straight to the window to bark his head off!
Dad taught his kids -- and our dog -- how to be good neighbors.
And afterward, he never mentioned the incident again.
Indeed, when he got back upstairs he told us matter-of-factly that the police had come and it was time to go back to bed.
Now there was a true Brooklynite!
Nostalgic on Park Avenue
Posted by: NOP at January 23, 2009 5:54 PM
Where in this story does it mention the race of the suspect?
Why because one idiot posts a racist inflammatory comment, you all have to get into a discussion on race when the story has nothing at all to do with it? If you would just completely ignore this person he would not succeed in his mission to "inflame" you all.
"Maybe I'm just too defensive about black and Hispanic people being once again alienated, marginalized and pre-judged as dangerous because of the actions of a small minority. Maybe I'm tired of the PropJoes of the world, and am still reacting to some posts I read on Curbed the other day that were the most racist, hateful things I've read this side of a KKK blog, ostensibly written by the same demographic that reads this blog. Maybe I was just hoping that when things get bad, people wouldn't turn on each other like ravenous wolves. Too much to hope, I suppose."
Once again..where did it say that this was a black or hispanic? And what do you mean by "the same demographic that reads this blog" So are you saying that while it's not ok to marginalize black and hispanic people as dangerous it IS ok to marginalize non-black and hispanics as racsits? Wouldn't you consider propjoe a small minority since he's the only one who posted a racist comment out of 50?
I just fail to see the logic in this...and there I go talking about race.
Posted by: boofer at January 23, 2009 5:55 PM
I'm new to the neighborhood and the to blog but here's what I know. The What is a complete idiot. If he didn't exist Brownstoner would have to invent him. And PropJoe is offensive to some, but totally understandable in his response. This crime is horrible. So is the mugging on S Elliot a few months ago and the muggings before that. We can all agree this crime is vicious and thuggish and has to be confronted, hopefully by more vigilant and active neighborhood groups. And we all know it tends to be committed by black males between the ages of 17 and 40 who live in the projects. That's not racist. That's an empirical statistical fact. So let's all drop the pointless racist diatribes and simply confront the reality. Together. All of us good non-mugging folks, white, black, beige, whatever. And one more thing. All this talk that the victim should have screamed louder. Or shouldn't have been out at that hour. Please. Any talk that blames the victim is beneath contempt.
Posted by: marlowe at January 23, 2009 8:19 PM
Folks;
I'm joining late, and just want to make one point. I fully agree with MM about the special nature of rape as a crime. I know someone who was raped, and I know the devastation that it brought to her. It takes years for a rape victim to recover. It fills the person with all sorts of questions about their worth, their ability to function again in society and other psychological damage. A mugging victim victim simply doesn't have deal with these issues.
This point was further brought home to me when I recently served on a grand jury. One of the cases I had to hear involved rape, and the victim had to testify, 3 or 4 years after the event. As she testified, the terror of the event filled her voice again. I was literally in a cold sweat and sick after her testimony.
It is a horrific crime, and deserves special attention.
Posted by: benson at January 23, 2009 8:48 PM
I agree with NOP, New Yorkers have to become engaged in their community, any way they can. I don't know that this crime was avoidable but there are many things that landlords and renters can do to help make the streets safer. I enrolled one of my properties in the TAP (tresspass affadavit program) with the local precinct. This gives them the authority to arrest people found inside the building that have no business being there and to monitor the property for loitering and tresspassing. I have clear lighting in front and back of my properties. Many of these miscreants sneak around at night behind properties looking for an entry. Locks are fixed immediately if broken and gates are installed in places where no one should have access but myself.
People need to be engaged in what's happening around them and their homes, you cannot afford to have a fortress mentality where you close the door at 6pm and anything that goes on outside is their business. This past summer on the corner near my house I was awakened about 2:30 in the morning to the sound of some punks beating on a guy in the street after having dragged him from his car. First I called 911. Then I noticed that one of these punks was actually trying to stash the stolen loot in my driveway, I opened the window and loudly told him to get off the property as I was about to get my gun (whether I have one or not is for the criminal to find out). Needless to say he started booking and informing his fellow miscreants. The police arrived and started making arrests. meanwhile another punk was trying to hide behind my neighbor's bush. I walked outside, calmly asked the officer to follow me and took him to where this piece of trash was hiding. Where my neighbor was all this time while this racket was going on in front of his house, is beyond me. Which goes to my point about getting engaged and not hiding behind a curtain. Perhaps he didn't hear, I kind of doubt it though because he manages to hear me anytime I so much as step on his property, but that's another story.
Meanwhile, as an "only in New York" story, the guy who was beaten to a bloody pulp, having been dragged from his Porsche Cayenne and standing in the street with his shirt torn off and shoes stolen, refused to press charges. No matter though, two of the punks were arrested on other charges. I hate to think that if nobody had intervened, the assault could have escalated to murder.
Six months earlier, while driving down the local boulevard with my son, we notice a man lying prone on the floor by a bus-stop. While the 4 or 5 people at the bus stop across the street are standing there doing nothing. I stopped the car, backed up on to the grass and got out. The old man was breathing but obviously mentally impaired. I dialed 911, the fire truck arrived within 5 minutes with the ambulance. The guy was alright after that. Then I had the complicated business of explaining to my 5 year old why a group of adults would find it somehow acceptable to wait for a bus quietly while a fellow human being was lying on the sidewalk facedown across the road.
Take it for what it is, two anecdotes about life in the city. The heros on 9/11 and more recently with the plane crash in the Hudson showed us how action saves lives. I try to live up to their model as much as I can. It's the least I can do.
I hope that the young woman who was victimized by this subhuman can find the support and help she needs to get through this.
Posted by: Legion at January 24, 2009 9:24 AM
ur a f'n SNITCH Legion.mind ur business next time or it could come back on u.
Posted by: buckfast at January 24, 2009 10:59 AM
"And we all know it tends to be committed by black males between the ages of 17 and 40 who live in the projects."
I think this is the kind of stereotype Montrose is talking about.
Posted by: mopar at January 24, 2009 11:22 AM
Legion:
Good for you!
One of the things Dad did after that night was to keep a baseball bat in the foyer closet -- just in case it happened again!
It didn't, happily.
Maybe word got out not to mess on our block.
And here's advice from my mother: You being attacked or chasing a perp? Don't just yell or scream. Shout "Police!"
That way people nearby understand it's not a personal dispute -- or a joke.
NOP
Posted by: NOP at January 24, 2009 12:01 PM
New York, it's time to consider a Gautreaux Project
Posted by: Billiamsburg at January 24, 2009 1:31 PM
buckfast. how's this you:
I don't give a flyin' fuck what you think. I've been there and done that. I was living in the "hood" during the crack epidemic of the eighties. In ENY. 75th pct. My father and our family didn't care back then who it was breaking into the roof next to my bedroom window, who was tearing down gates on Liberty Ave. beneath our apt. who was crawling through the backyard to get onto our property.
All were confronted in one way or another.
So I've somehow lived to tell. and I'll be damned if I will take my cues on what's right or wrong from the likes of you. Nor will I base my actions on some lowlife code of ethics.
Feel free to wear a ghetto motto across your chest. I'll continue to do what I feel is right to protect myself and my family and the community we live in.
Again, let's hope the subhuman who perpetrated this crime is caught and prosecuted.
Posted by: Legion at January 24, 2009 4:50 PM
i agree legion.when a crime happends on ur property or to ur property is one thing.but to go out of ur way and help the cops catch someone for beating down some other guy(who probably deserved it in the first place)is another.seems like ur a bit of a dogooder to me.the guy that u helped lock up,might just remember where u live.
Posted by: buckfast at January 24, 2009 9:33 PM
Legion;
Don't even dignify buckfast's post with a response. If you look at some of his past posts, you'll see that you're dealing with a guy who admitted to a sense of happiness about a reported mugging, as it might give the "yuppies" pause.
I salute your actions. We need more folks like you in New York.
Posted by: benson at January 24, 2009 10:50 PM
"All this talk that the victim should have screamed louder. Or shouldn't have been out at that hour. Please. Any talk that blames the victim is beneath contempt."
AGREED. I'm really disgusted. People need to believe it's impossible for something like this to happen to them. So they tell themselves, "oh I wouldn't be out at that hour" as if rapes only happen at this hour. Or, "Well I'd scream and make the guy run away" as if they have any clue how they would react to something that's never happened to them before. You have no idea in what way this woman was threatened or overpowered. Rape is not the worst thing that could have happened to this poor woman. Being killed is the worst thing. Stop letting the rapist off the hook by claiming the victim should have screamed louder. This guy made a choice to commit an act of violence he is entirely 100% responsible for.
Posted by: traditionalmod at January 25, 2009 11:35 AM

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