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January 23, 2009

Park Slope One of Nation's "Dreamiest" Neighborhoods

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Pushing aside concerns about stroller moms and stolen laptop computers, HGTV just named Park Slope one of the dreamiest neighborhoods in the country. Edged out by places like Sonoma, CA and Chicago's Gold Coast, the Slope comes in at a respectable Number 7 and is cited for its "historic charm, top-notch restaurants and shopping, and proximity to Prospect Park."
FrontDoor's Top 10 Dreamy Neighborhoods [Front Door]
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Uh oh. Here we go....

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 11:19 AM

Oh god. We'll never hear the end of this one. Let the fart smelling begin.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at January 23, 2009 11:20 AM

i just cut and pasted this to one of my friends she was like dude what's the point of paying so much to live there? it's not like you eat out at any of those restaurants, shop at any of those stores, or even step foot in the park. :-/

i think she might be right. :(

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 23, 2009 11:22 AM

Sonoma - not Sonomo, please!

Posted by: cobblehiller at January 23, 2009 11:22 AM

How about starting another "You know you live in ____ if"?

I'll start.

You know you live in Park Slope if
- everyone else knows you live in Park Slope

Posted by: Biff Champion at January 23, 2009 11:23 AM

"Whether its lush acreage, majestic views or exclusivity that you crave, each of these neighborhoods offers all that and more."

I guess Park Slope (and for that matter any urban low rise neighborhood)has none of those three attributes.

Please define "dreamy."

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 11:23 AM

Oh, Poo Mist!!!!!!!

Posted by: bayridgegirl at January 23, 2009 11:23 AM

Ha Ha Ha, Location Location Location. It matters and prices will reflect that, it aint the 1970's anymore in Park Slope, good luck little miss muffy.

Posted by: billyboomer at January 23, 2009 11:23 AM

Miss muffett, BHO, cornerbodega??? Helllllooooooo?

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 11:24 AM

dreamy could be the skank jock strap i saw in the snow the other day on 4th avenue. ew!

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 23, 2009 11:26 AM

"You know you live in Park Slope if you think everyone else hates Park Slope just because they are jealous they don't live there."

Posted by: dirty_hipster at January 23, 2009 11:28 AM

if you get knocked off your feet by mad sledders

Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 11:28 AM

Maybe they mean dreamy as in sleep-inducing.

Posted by: Sparafucile at January 23, 2009 11:29 AM

Excellent. Maybe now I can sell my apartment!

Posted by: once again at January 23, 2009 11:32 AM

Hey guys, park slope is a great neighborhood. I actually go to the park, shop in the stores, and eat in the restaurants. I don't know if I would call it one of the dreamiest neighborhoods in the country, though!

Posted by: slopedoglover at January 23, 2009 11:35 AM

Whatever you say about the Slope, 'on points' relative to other hoods in Bk, it is best cause of: park, actual slope shape, lack off commercial on 8th and 6th (mostly), food, shopping, public schools, people, some diversity, location w/i Bk near cultural attractions, housing stock, limited high rise, vigilant community.

I don't live there and probably never will. Objectively, though, has to be best.

Posted by: BK realestate veteran at January 23, 2009 11:35 AM

In other news, "Backdoor magazine voted Park Slope one of the creamiest places to live".

Posted by: billyboomer at January 23, 2009 11:35 AM

My lips are sealed.

;-)

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 11:37 AM

Agreed, slopedoglover! I do all of those things -- it's precisely why I love the neighborhood. For those that don't love it, well, just don't love it. I don't really care.

Posted by: Park Sloper at January 23, 2009 11:37 AM

All the places listed are pretty wealthy places. How about a list that takes into account stuff you'd actually want - a good bookstore, movie theater, for instance.

Posted by: infinitejester at January 23, 2009 11:38 AM

"is best cause of:...actual slope shape"

ummm WTF?

Posted by: dirty_hipster at January 23, 2009 11:39 AM

Funny how times change...
... when I was a kid Park Slope was one of those dodgy block by block places, and the park had some very dangerous spots.

I played little league baseball in the fields across from the park (not Park Slope, I know, but it makes me think of how the park area in general has changed). Nothing like sliding on "dirt" that was more broken glass and gravel then anything else.

Oh, how times they have changed...

Posted by: christopher at January 23, 2009 11:48 AM

i think he's referring to the fact that the borders of park slope and the main intersections are shaped like a peace sign.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 23, 2009 11:49 AM

Dirty: the perspective offered by undulating landscapes is often more pleasing than the flat-as-a-pancake type. If you don't notice that, it wouldn't figure on your list, but to many people it's charming.

Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 11:50 AM


"actual slope shape"

I'm with the DH. How does this contribute to making Park Slope "the best?"

Posted by: East New York at January 23, 2009 11:51 AM

Infinitejester: Park Slope has a good bookstore, and two movie theaters....

Posted by: Park Sloper at January 23, 2009 11:51 AM

Ditto: Is it more charming then walking uphill to the subway every morning?

Posted by: dirty_hipster at January 23, 2009 11:52 AM

YIPPPE
Love the fact the photo is from South Slope too!
7th avenue and 16th street
gotta love that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS rocks

Posted by: gemini10 at January 23, 2009 11:53 AM

Oh jeez, do you guys really think HGTV saying this can save the inevitable decline of prices? I'm not expecting to snap something up for 1970s prices - more like 2002-4...

Posted by: Miss Muffett at January 23, 2009 11:53 AM

On account of me not suffering emphysema and not being too old to walk uphill, I don't even notice it. BTW, I don't live in PS.

But for the record, I like "incidental" excercise, I always take the stairs instead of the elevator (as long as its not ridiculous) and I walk rather than just hopping into the car if its less than 20 mins away.

Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 11:56 AM

I live in Park Slope and enjoy it. I have no idea if it's "dreamy" or not and don't really care. Also, infinitejester, there is a good community bookstore on 7th ave and a movie theater on 14th st.

Posted by: cwbuecheler at January 23, 2009 11:58 AM

Good luck with that, Miss Muffett.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 11:58 AM

'the borders of park slope'

Park Slope has borders???? I thought it was endless...I thought I lived in Park Slope or some southern off-shoot of it.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at January 23, 2009 11:58 AM

Downtown Denver dreamy? It's a torturously boring place.

Posted by: superstooper at January 23, 2009 12:13 PM

My point was that when I judge places to live, I look for places like bookstores and movie theaters, not the things listed in the article.

Posted by: infinitejester at January 23, 2009 12:15 PM

8th Ave in Manhattan has bookstores & movie theatres. Fewer than when Guiliani first came to office though. Sad.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 12:18 PM

Superstooper - I think dreamy was the wrong adjective for this list. Either that, or these people have very boring dreams.

Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 12:20 PM

Thanks, DIBS!

Posted by: Miss Muffett at January 23, 2009 12:21 PM

"Superstooper - I think dreamy was the wrong adjective for this list. Either that, or these people have very boring dreams."


I believe it's a take on their "Dream Home Giveaway" theme on HGTV. Each year they build a gorgeous home somewhere in the U.S. and have a sweepstakes for it.

I don't think it's meant to be taken so seriously.

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 12:26 PM

It's dreamy because I live there.

Posted by: SnarkSlope at January 23, 2009 12:28 PM

Aren't nightmares dreams too...?

I keed, I keed.

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 12:30 PM

> "Aren't nightmares dreams too...?"

The very best kind.

Hey 11217, your QOTD about "scaling back" might have something to it:

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New homes get smaller

Say goodbye to McMansions, Americans are buying 'right-sized' homes

LAS VEGAS (MarketWatch) -- These days, a bigger home isn't always a better one: Recent research suggests that homes being built today are getting smaller.

The average size of homes started in the third quarter of 2008 was 2,438 square feet, down from 2,629 square feet in the second quarter, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Similarly, the median size of homes started in the third quarter was 2,090, down from 2,291. The statistics confirm what the housing industry has suspected for a while.

-------

See the whole story on MarketWatch.

Posted by: SnarkSlope at January 23, 2009 12:36 PM

even tho I live in prospect heights I go into park slope quite a bit. Its nice and has pretty much everything anyone could need.

However the majority of "prime" brownstone brooklyn is pretty much the same which makes these old neighborhood boundaries kinda silly now. Smith Street and 5h ave are pretty much the same place and might as well be in the same neighborhood.

Posted by: Santa at January 23, 2009 12:38 PM

No need for me to go to the Slope...BoCoCa has everything I need, except the Excelsior, which I've only been to once.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 12:42 PM

infinite jester: Good restaurants, pretty streets, prospect park, and good subway access are exactly what I want in a neighborhood.... and are far more important to me than a movie theater. To each his or her own. I guess that's why I choose to live in Park Slope north and you don't.

On a related note, Rob: I agree with your friend. Why pay for the amenities/features of a neighborhood if you're not interested in them?

Posted by: Kris at January 23, 2009 12:47 PM

well of course it has everything you need. They have the same stores and restaurants.

Posted by: Santa at January 23, 2009 12:48 PM

While the brownstone neighborhoods look similar, I think the people who occupy them are a bit different. I love Carroll Gardens and Smith Street, but I think Park Slope is a little bit more diverse, a little bit more liberal/radical, a little bit more gay and a little bit younger.

Obviously those things would not appeal to everyone, but they appeal to me.

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 12:59 PM

quote:
On a related note, Rob: I agree with your friend. Why pay for the amenities/features of a neighborhood if you're not interested in them?

well to be brutally honest with you, i was sick of living in the ghetto. when i found a roommate who wanted to share dog responsibilities and lived in a non ghetto hood in a clean apt and responsible i jumped at the chance. it just happened that it was park slope.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 23, 2009 1:05 PM

I can understand not going to the shops and restaurants, I guess, but I can't imagine not going to Prospect Park, Rob.

Especially if I had a dog...

On a nice spring/summer day, it seems as though all of Brooklyn is at Prospect Park...laying out with friends, reading a book, playing frisbee, flying a kite, smoking a joint, jogging, biking, etc.

It's one of my favorite places in all of NYC.

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 1:11 PM

It's always fun to hate on Park Slope, but it is honestly a great neighborhood. What really bothers me is how so many people who live there really believe that it is somehow better then any other neighborhood in Brooklyn. I guess one can only enjoy Prospect Park if they live on the West Side of the park. Park Slope I suppose is the only neighborhood that has interesting shops, bars and restaurants. I have alot of friends that live there, and I visit frequently and enjoy my time there. But to say that Park Slope has everything one could need I think is extremely myopic.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at January 23, 2009 1:33 PM

Scottsdale, Gold Coast, Mercer Island, etc? Has PS really become a philistine neighborhood as stale and exclusive as these bedfellows?

Posted by: lincolnlimestone at January 23, 2009 1:48 PM

Who said anything about Park Slope being better than other neighborhoods? All people are saying in this thread is that Park Slope is nice. It's a thread about Park Slope, after all.

Here's my Brooklyn gripe: The bizarre rivalry between people of different Brooklyn neighborhoods. Seriously, what is up with that? I moved to Brooklyn from Manhattan two years ago... I lived in downtown Manhattan for nearly 20 years and never experienced this annoying phenomenon. Now I hear it every friggin' day.

There are tons of great neighborhoods in all five boroughs of NYC (yes, even SI has some cool spots). They are interesting because they are different from one another, and there are also all kinds of people in this city. Including stay-at-home moms and hipsters and bankers and gays. And that's why I heart NY!

So can we stop the hatin' and start the BK love already?

Posted by: Kris at January 23, 2009 1:54 PM

"But to say that Park Slope has everything one could need I think is extremely myopic."


In light of the new age of getting by with/on less, I don't see anything wrong with being content with what a neighborhood has to offer.

Always wanting for more/bigger is what you are suggesting is the better alternative?

Park Slope has everything I need. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that statement.

Need and want are very different things.

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 1:55 PM

I haven't lived in Park Slope since 1974, love my present neighborhood (PLG) and certainly am not jealous because I don't live in PS. Nevertheless,I think it's a great neighborhood and deserving of it's "top ten" designation. Congratulations PS!

Posted by: Bob Marvin at January 23, 2009 1:59 PM

I lived on the UES, Kris. There's a huge rivalry beetween the Turtle Bay people and the Sutton people :)

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 2:02 PM

DIBS, I mostly lived downtown, which I preferred. It's a different world down there. Or maybe it's just the crowd I ran with.... mostly middle-class and not competitive over financial status.

Posted by: Kris at January 23, 2009 2:14 PM

Kris, I live in North Slope.

Posted by: infinitejester at January 23, 2009 2:17 PM

My comment wasn't really directed to anyone in here in particular - it was more a commentary of people I have met in real life who live in Park Slope. You guys know the people I'm talking about - the ones who put you on the defensive about why you would want to live anywhere else besides Park Slope, and then go off on a diatribe about how this aspect of PS is better than _________ in ________. I think its great when people love where they live, but there seems to be a competitiveness and snobbery exclusive to SOME people in Park Slope.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at January 23, 2009 2:21 PM

dirty hipster, I agree with you. I happen to love Park Slope (I don't live there) but can't help but notice those who live there are often the quickest to criticize other neighborhoods or, at a minimum, unfavorably compare other neighborhoods to their own. I admire their pride, but do find some are a tad overzealous in their defense of their 'hood.

Posted by: Biff Champion at January 23, 2009 2:24 PM

Park Slope hasn't got a cricket field. Thats the main deficit.

Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 2:37 PM

dirty hipster, I can honestly say I have not met these people you describe. But maybe that's just because I live in Park Slope, and they don't feel the need to proselytize to me. I do, however, know a ton of Park Slope Haters. Some are even my friends. Any mention of Park Slope and they feel the need to tell me that I am a total fool for living there, that it's too expensive and it's just filled with asshat bankers and stoller nazis... none of whom I know, but the haters seem to think they know better.

I have met a lot of Food Co-op proselytizers, though. And they are totally annoying.

Posted by: Kris at January 23, 2009 2:39 PM

Kris,

I agree with you. I don't know of a single neighborhood that gets such negative comments whether it be about stroller nazi's, milf's, tea lounge, bankers, ps. 321, etc etc etc.

I think part of the defending nature that dirty hipster describes is that some of us who live there not only don't understand the "hate" but don't even see what they are talking about.

I don't hate any of the things people typically say they hate about Park Slope. I like all the kids. I find it encouraging to see so many people wanting to raise a family in the "big city," actually.

If New York Magazine and every other real estate blog didn't feed into each and every stereotype about the neighborhood, there wouldn't be such a desire to stick up for it.

I don't mind people saying they hate it, and certainly realize that it's not for everyone, but it's also clear from some of its distinctions like the one above, it's not nearly as bad as the "haters" make it seem.

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 2:50 PM

Hey Kris - I hear what you're saying, but I think the snobbery typically isn't directed at the people who already live there. I am not a big fan of neighborhood hating at all. I live in Williamsburg currently so I'm quite familiar with the hating and misconceptions people have about my neighborhood.

Just last night I was @ a bar in the WV and struck up a conversation with what I thought was a lovely cougar (from park slope coincidentally) She proceded to lecture me about how Park Slope is for adults and the Burg is for children (cliff's notes version) with an unbelievably snarky/condescending attitude. I tried to explain to her that Williamsburg is not just a neighborhood full of 21 year old NYU students, just like Park Slope isn't filled with 30 something self-entitled, granola eating breeders.

She didn't believe me. I finshed my Bramble and wished her goodnight and went back to talk to my boring friend from Murray Hill.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at January 23, 2009 3:02 PM

Dirty Hipster:

That is totally valid. The thing I see though is that a lot of the Park Slope "haters" (it seems) have never even set foot in Park Slope. Some of the negative comments I see about the neighborhood make me think that we've experienced two entirely different neighborhoods.

There is a difference between saying you hate something you've never experienced and genuinely not liking something after you've tried it.

I've been to Williamsburg 100 times. I don't think it's only filled with 21 hear olds and can certainly understand the appeal, but it's still not a neighborhood I enjoy spending time in. I don't consider that hating Williamsburg, I just consider that me stating my likes and dislikes.

Maybe I've being naive and that most of the people who say they hate Park Slope have indeed been there and didn't like what they saw.

Very plausible, I suppose. Everyone has different tastes.

I don't even know what I'm saying now...

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 3:08 PM

lol dirty hipster that's a great story. honestly, other than the isolated hall incident with the kids in my building (tho it didnt happen this last sunday. yay!) ahha, i have no noticed any of the much talked about stereotypes.
however williamsburg and bushwick ive noticed really DO live up to their stereotypes. i totally think those are two most barfalicious neighborhoods in nyc. (and im a fan of industrial areas!) hey, we're all allowed to have our opinions right?

*rob*


Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 23, 2009 3:13 PM

Murray Hill really is boring.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 3:17 PM

I think any and every neighborhood in Brooklyn is infinitely less boring than any neighborhood in Manhattan.

Lower East Side is fun every 3 months and the West Village is pretty when it's not overrun with tourists, but other than that, I'd take pretty much anywhere in Brooklyn over "the city"

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 3:23 PM

Dirty Hipster, I TOTALLY know what you're talking about! I moved out of Park Slope a few years ago after having lived there for about 12 years. Die hard Slopers still question my decision to leave. Hey, the Slope changed, I changed...it was time to sell up and move on. What's wrong with that? I don't hate it. I still go back to visit friends and dine there. I just don't want to live there. Ok????

Posted by: rh at January 23, 2009 3:29 PM

Every single place in that list, except PS, is a second residence type for me - well maybe not Sonoma. But I have to be filthy rich to make that my primary residence. I would be flying out every weekend to somewhere.

Atlanta, Chicago, Scottsdale? I would have a house in Manhattan, Paris, Tokyo, St. Johns, and Rio before I even consider most of those cities on that list.

Posted by: crimsonson at January 23, 2009 3:33 PM

11217...a lot of the smaller streets in the WV are really great..beautuiful houses, no crowds. But the minute you get a retaurant on a corner it's bedlam.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 3:38 PM

crimsonson, and a place in Jackson Hole too?

Posted by: dittoburg at January 23, 2009 3:43 PM

It's the retail in the West Village that has become so tragic also. Bleeker Street, even 5 years ago used to be so much more interesting. Now I believe there are 5 Marc Jacobs stores and at least 2 or 3 Ralph Lauren stores.

The smaller shops and mom and pop type places are what continue to keep Brooklyn interesting to me in the commercial sense.

I agree though...some of those smaller streets...Commerce Street, Bank Street, etc are just stunning.

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 3:46 PM

11217, because of my interest in opening the upscale food store in Bed Stuy someday (it ain't happening in this environment) I've been closely watching for the unfortunate failure of small businesses. Certainly because of the larger number of them in PS, there have been more there than anywhere. That story last week of the restaurant that is for sale because they haven't broken even in 3 years is very disconcerting.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 23, 2009 3:53 PM

I agree. The number of small businesses closing up in Park Slope is disconcerting, to say the least.

I'm trying to support my favorites as much as possible and hope for the best. But it's not pretty out there for these guys.

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 3:58 PM

and it's probably just going to get worse. i am not a fan of closed storefronts at all, but you have to admit for the last couple of years 5th and 7th avenue have definitely been plagued by a lot of schlock, specifically in the form of clothing boutiques and restaurants.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 23, 2009 4:30 PM

I thought you just moved to Park Slope in the summer, Rob?

What is "schlock" to you or me, might be interesting to someone else. I happen to like a lot of the stuff in Park Slope, although I wish there were more vintage/thrift stores and places for men's clothing. Not necessary though...I really don't buy all that much stuff anyway.

And it's all but a certainty that things will be getting much worse before they get better.

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 4:36 PM

They should open up 5 Marc by Marc Jacobs stores in Brownstones along Montgomery Place.

Posted by: dirty_hipster at January 23, 2009 4:42 PM

dittoburg -

Yes Jackson Hole too. Incredible place but not really a primary residence type. I would still pick a Carribean party island or a major international mega before I do another American city.

Posted by: crimsonson at January 23, 2009 4:43 PM

yeah last july 11217.. but yeah point taken, makes sense.
and really i havent explored the neighborhood much. park once really (the horses scared me. im serious)., and ive only really explored 5th ave from like 5 blocks with the names in north slope down to maybe 10th street? and 7th avenue ive only been to once (the gamestop). pathetic i know.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 23, 2009 5:09 PM

Rob, once the weather warms up, you simply MUST walk around more.

7th down in the teens is great, the Grand Army Plaza area is spectacular with the Greenmarket on Saturdays, I've never even SEEN the horses in the park!

I also like 5th Avenue down in the teens...

Posted by: 11217 at January 23, 2009 5:32 PM

"Ha Ha Ha, Location Location Location. It matters and prices will reflect that"

Ha ha ha, location was already reflected in pre-bubble prices in 2003 before the run-up, billybuster. Park Slope was already more expensive than Clinton Hill. Overleverage homogeneously skyrocketed prices by 200%. Deleverage is also equal opportunity. Park Slope is on sale. Ha ha ha.

Dave - you freakin' instigator!

***Bid half off peak comps***

Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at January 23, 2009 8:19 PM

Oh this kind of article just proves Park Slope has jumped the shark. OK, joking, joking, sorry.

How much was a brownstone in Park Slope in 2003-2004?

Posted by: mopar at January 25, 2009 11:38 AM

Wonder if some exec at HGTV lives in Park Slope. Nothing "top notch" in the slope.

Posted by: pig three at January 25, 2009 11:12 PM

A "cougar"? In a BAR? thought NYC had dangerous-animal laws.

Posted by: Ppark at January 26, 2009 12:03 PM

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