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January 13, 2009

House of the Day: 291 State Street

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There's certainly something to the broker's description of 291 State Street in Boerum Hill as being a "time capsule." In addition to the requisite moldings and other details, the 3,024-square-foot brownstone is furnished (and wallpapered!) straight out of the high Victorian era. This place also has the distinction of abutting the 14 new townhouses that were recently built on State Street. Asking price: $2,100,000. Would have been a lay-up a year ago, still not insane today.
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I'm wondering if the bathrooms, kitchen, wiring, plumbing and heating are all in a "time capsule" too.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 1:27 PM

The house is beautiful but this stretch of State Street is just "OK" at best. There are quite a number of disheveled looking tenenments nearby. Definitely the wrong side of Atlantic Ave. not sure it even qualifies as Boerum Hill, which I believe is entirely on the south side of Atlantic. This is really part of Downtown Brooklyn.
So the house is excellent but the location isn't. I don't think anyone will pay asking for this.


Posted by: sam at January 13, 2009 1:29 PM

Wowzers! Way gorgeous! I want it and all the furnishings too.

Wish I could see more in the way of a floorplan and photos.

Again, for a 2MM home you REALLY need to do a better job agents. Given the market we know you have time on your hands. Put in the effort!

Posted by: TownhouseLady at January 13, 2009 1:30 PM


"This place also has the distinction of abutting the 14 new townhouses that were recently built on State Street."

Having googled the street, I would swap "distinction" with "misfortune". Though, yes, those 14 are better than 85% of the new construction I've witnessed over the years.

Posted by: YngRntr at January 13, 2009 1:39 PM

Beautiful home but, as sam points out, not a desirable block in comparison to just about every other street South of Atlantic and West of Court. Also, what's with the stretched out pics? Do they believe people will really think this home is 80 feet wide? And put down the phone for your closeup, Kevin Brown. Tell Donovan McNabb you'll call him back.

Posted by: Biff Champion at January 13, 2009 1:43 PM

agent Hope has a very appropriate name given the street and price. you keep it alive though!

furnishings look like old sad kitchy hotels that try to look classy.

Posted by: goldie at January 13, 2009 1:49 PM

Still part of BH as far as I'm concerned, but obviously it's the northern border. This is a really good location, actually, as you're a minute to the Hoyt St. station and around the corner from Smith St.

No doubt the kitchen and baths are in need of upgrading, but I'd rather have the chance to do those the way i want. Wonder what's under that wall to wall?

Assuming it doesn't need a full electrical/plumbing/heating redo, I think you'd be pretty happy paying just under 2 million for this place.

Posted by: Bolder at January 13, 2009 1:49 PM

Sam clearly does not live in Brooklyn as he would know this is a very desirable & pretty street always winning greenest block in Brooklyn. Close to Smith , Court, Atlantic, Hoyt & all subways. What an idiot Sam is!

Posted by: PropJoe at January 13, 2009 1:52 PM

We have some significant nabe strrrrrretchhhhhhing going on.

Yesterday's HOTD, located in Gowanus but considered Park Slope quite chirpily by its brokers. Today's HOTD, located on a not-so-great stretch of State Street, in downtown Brooklyn, touted as Boerum Hill.

"Hey, wait a minute..." Me says.

Posted by: Nokilissa at January 13, 2009 1:53 PM

I really don't want to keep flogging this dead horse, but do we really think that someone sho spends two million dollars on a house is going to be using the subway much? Again, the scenario this year is different from last, you have to have a lot of money to qualify for a big mortgage.
Or you have to have cash. either way, those stations near this house are pretty grundgy.

Posted by: sam at January 13, 2009 1:55 PM

This is Boerum Hill, moron.


http://smalltownbrooklyn.com/boerumhill/boerumhome.html

Posted by: PropJoe at January 13, 2009 1:56 PM

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&om=1&msa=0&msid=111991195824916846969.000442eac81763735c056&ll=40.685731,-73.986847&spn=0.011667,0.020084&z=16&iwloc=000442ead30daff42f1f9

Posted by: PropJoe at January 13, 2009 1:57 PM

Perhaps the bathrooms do need a bit of an upgrade.

Toto toilets? That'd raise it at least 100K.

Posted by: Prodigal_Son at January 13, 2009 1:58 PM

I've gotten into some trouble in these here parts for jumping into this argument before, but no, Sam. There is virtually zero chance that someone spending 2 million on a Brownstone in Brooklyn ain't gonna be takin' the subway a significant amount of the time. So many of these folks are selling condos and coops in Manhattan worth twice that and then setting up shop in the better borough (Brooklyn).

We're hoping to do it, and I think a large portion of Brownstone buyers are doing it - or rather WERE doing it.

This is not the UES' Gold Coast, with folks alighting from Town cars with drivers, carrying packages from Bergdorf's into their homes.

Posted by: Nokilissa at January 13, 2009 2:01 PM

Boerum Hill is a made-up name so I guess the borders can be made up too. The historic district is entirely on the south side of Atlantic. Traditionally this area was considered Downtown. And Downtown alas, sucks.

Posted by: sam at January 13, 2009 2:01 PM

oooooh, Prop Joe getting feisty! Them's fightin' words.

Posted by: Nokilissa at January 13, 2009 2:02 PM

Yes, sam, who continually posts comments demonstrating his knowledge of Brooklyn, particularly Brooklyn Heights, knows far less than PropJoe, who is pretty much known solely for his anti-semetic comments. PropJoe, please shut your piehole.

Posted by: Biff Champion at January 13, 2009 2:03 PM

"but do we really think that someone sho spends two million dollars on a house is going to be using the subway much?"


Yes.

I believe and see MANY of my neighbors (who own multi-million dollar homes) ride the subway each and every day.

I don't need to speculate, I see it on a daily basis.

Posted by: 11217 at January 13, 2009 2:06 PM

Well, Biff - if Sam knows so much than why does he clearly not know the borders of said area?

Posted by: PropJoe at January 13, 2009 2:10 PM

Sam -- Having lived in this neighborhood since 1997, as far as I know this block (and all the State Street blocks east of Smith) is defintiely Boerum Hill (although not in the landmarked district), and this block has a really outstanding number of nice houses on it. I have never heard anyone disagree about that. (Query whether the boundary with downtown Brooklyn is Schermerhorn or Livingston, but those types of boundaries are gray areas anyway.)

What disheveled tenements are you talking about? There is the one house on the other side of the street up near the hotel that seems to be perpetually being renovated, but these are all grand houses. Although I think the 14 townhouses are too narrow and not to my taste (and certainly not for the price they were asking), obviously a subtantial nnumber of people disagreed. Maybe on Schermerhorn you could point to that one SRO hotel on the next block across from the Renaissance apartment building, but that's pretty distant from this block.

The downside to this block is that it is a block away from criminal court, so you very occasionally run into people who have been released on bail (or ROR) looking for bus/subway fare, and what I belive is related, more often window smashings at night of cars parked on this block.

The downside to this house is facing right back at the new building on Schermerhorn (and the new buiilding across the street on Schermerhorn as well). OTOH, maybe all the windows on the new building will reflect some light onto the north facing yard and cheer it up.

Posted by: Boerumresident at January 13, 2009 2:13 PM

I agree with Bolder. This is a really great location actually. I have a friend who lives a block from here and yes this stretch of State wins greenest block all the time. There is an amazing coffee shop/cafe on the corner of State and Hoyt that rocks and the transport options are great. I think this is actually a very fair price for this house.

Posted by: wasder at January 13, 2009 2:14 PM

Neighborhood boundaries are a little like language and figures of speech. Even if "wrong", the more they get used erroneously, the greater the chance it will be eventually considered "right".

An example that comes immediately to mind, and used to drive me nuts, was people saying to "hone in", undoubtedly because they misheard or misunderstood to "home in". But you can now find "hone in" right alongside "home in" in some on-line dictionaries.

Posted by: Nokilissa at January 13, 2009 2:17 PM

Nokki,

You better tell that to the National Guard then:

http://www.ngb.army.mil/news/archives/2008/12/120908-Guardsmen.aspx

Posted by: TownhouseLady at January 13, 2009 2:21 PM

Huh. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I remember looking at a house on this street, or perhaps a block east, and thinking it not great. There was a big parking lot on the North side, and it had a slight industrial and trash-strewn down town feel for sure. The house was lovely, but half of the block was not. It was a deal breaker. But this was perhaps a year and 1/2 ago, so it may have changed. Or I might be a block off.

Posted by: Nokilissa at January 13, 2009 2:23 PM

Sam is just a typical meathead... This is boerum hill. ANd right near everything its a great location.

Posted by: THAL at January 13, 2009 2:25 PM

Actually it's the next block West (the cathedral block) that is always a contender for Greenest Block.

Nearly all the houses on this block are landmarked (except, of course, the 14 Townhouses) and many of them are 25 footers. Not sure whether this one is that wide though, might only be the ones on the South side of the street.

Of course it's Boerum Hill by virtually any definition of that made-up neighborhood name. I live three blocks further West and the convenience of having the Smith Street bar area, virtually every subway line, Atlantic Center and downtown shopping, and BAM essentially on your doorstep just can't be beat.

Posted by: johnife at January 13, 2009 2:25 PM

That was a truly beautiful find THL. Geez, am I wrong on this one too?

Was "hone in" always with us? I thought it was "home in", as in homing pigeons...

I think I'm writing Mr. Safire.

Posted by: Nokilissa at January 13, 2009 2:26 PM

Sorry, should have said "3 blocks further East". I'm compass-challenged.

Posted by: johnife at January 13, 2009 2:29 PM

Noki,

You're both right. Check out what Merriam-Webster notes under useage:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hone+in

Posted by: TownhouseLady at January 13, 2009 2:30 PM

wasder...I go to the little Mexican store down the street and across from that coffee shop for tamales...They are homemade...I take them home and freeze them. They're great. Get the pork ones.

This is BoCoCaNo at best guys.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 2:30 PM

Also, as for the use of the name, I beleive there is some evidence that it was used in the 1700's and 1800's, (although it is disputed as to how commonly it was used and to what area it exactly described), but by the 1930s or 40's it had fallen out of use only to be given new life as part of realtor speak to re-gentrify the neighborhood in the 1970's.

Posted by: Boerumresident at January 13, 2009 2:30 PM

Nokilissa is a SNOB. She's probably a worthless stay at home moms who's husband is a wall street douche

Posted by: PropJoe at January 13, 2009 2:30 PM

I look forward to someday finding a home in the vibrant, broker-defined neighborhood of BoCoCaNoHeightsSlopeGardenHeightsPark Heights

... hill

Posted by: cwbuecheler at January 13, 2009 2:36 PM

Noki,

Don't pull a Benson. Just ignore him. It's not worth the effort.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at January 13, 2009 2:37 PM

Stay in Jersey, lady

Posted by: PropJoe at January 13, 2009 2:39 PM

If I recall correctly 291 and it's neighbors are designated on the national historic registry.

Posted by: DeLepp at January 13, 2009 2:40 PM

PropJoe wishes he was a real wall street douche!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 2:42 PM

Thank you THL. Another perfect find. And it appears I chose an equally perfect example ;)

Prop Joe, behave yourself. I am not a SAHM actually, but if I were, I would certainly not consider myself worthless. You have now shown yourself to be a fairly open misogynist as well as an anti-semite. Nice.

Posted by: Nokilissa at January 13, 2009 2:43 PM

Misogyny has origins in reality. He just can't get any!!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 2:45 PM


I like the Victorian furnishings. But carpeting? Yeech.

Posted by: East New York at January 13, 2009 2:46 PM

I'm liking you more and more ENY. It all goes back to what you told someone they could find in Canarsie many months ago!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 2:48 PM

I don't like misogynists....I like massagists!

Posted by: bayridgegirl at January 13, 2009 2:48 PM

Assuming that the posters who are using insults live in the area, they are a not an attractive reflection on the socio/economic character of that area.
If this is Boerum Hill, fine, I stand corrected, I didn't think this side of Atlantic was known as that. Live and learn. No need to call people meathead.
It kind of reminds of Archie Bunker:
"Hey Meathead, get off the terlet!"

Posted by: sam at January 13, 2009 2:48 PM

They would be masseurs or masseusses. Mine's name is Manuel.

I think what you like is masochists.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 2:50 PM

before Bloomberg was mayor he took the subway to his office everyday, and i am certain his home is worth well more than more than 2M.

Posted by: bkny at January 13, 2009 2:58 PM

I think it may be upwards of $20 MM bkny...and I think he still rides the subway.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 3:01 PM

I love raja tamales.

I too thought this area was downtown. Not Boreum. Sorry for that.

Posted by: dittoburg at January 13, 2009 3:03 PM

At least the carpets match the drapes.

Posted by: Biff Champion at January 13, 2009 3:03 PM

Biff...this is not the Open Thread.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 3:05 PM

Oops, thanks DIBS. I can't imagine how I didn't realize this in light of your on-topic mention of masseurs and masochists. ;-)

Posted by: Biff Champion at January 13, 2009 3:09 PM

Are you calling me a racist??
Because I am not!!

Posted by: bayridgegirl at January 13, 2009 3:20 PM

Where'd that one come from, BRG???

A masochist has nothing to do with the Maso race!!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 3:23 PM

I guess it was a very bad throw back to yesterday (sorry, Benson).

You're right a racist would probably be a sadist.

Only a masochist will buy this house at this price in this economy.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at January 13, 2009 3:30 PM

Back on track......the location is great...walk to anything. The street not so great...like YngRntr said it has the "misfortune" of being next to the new townhouses and across the street from a big lot.

It may need all new mechanicals and probably a new kitchen and bath.

It's overpriced and probably wildly so.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 3:30 PM

In keeping with my neighborhood stretching initiative to eventually consider all of Brooklyn part of Park Slope, I hereby declare this area DoToPaSlo (Downtown Park Slope).

The listing notes, "...the house is within blocks of Macy's, Target, Pathmark..." We've learned in the last few days that millionaires mark their addresses (not their names) on their stationery and do not take the subway. However, I'm horrified to now learn they shop at Target.

Posted by: Biff Champion at January 13, 2009 3:40 PM

It's all part of The New Austerity, Biff.

Posted by: SnarkSlope at January 13, 2009 3:48 PM

oooooh i like "paslo" (rhyming with maslow) im gonna start telling people that's where i live when they ask me!

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at January 13, 2009 3:51 PM

"Prop Joe, behave yourself. I am not a SAHM actually, but if I were, I would certainly not consider myself worthless. You have now shown yourself to be a fairly open misogynist as well as an anti-semite. Nice."

Did I miss something? Where's the anti-semitism?

Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at January 13, 2009 4:00 PM

6yrs,

Click on his name and read some of his earlier posts. He's notorious for it.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at January 13, 2009 4:06 PM

sixyears...it's his usual schtick on here.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 4:07 PM

he's a closeted jew-lover actually. chooses to live in brooklyn, in a neighborhood with a jewish name to it, and fixates on jews, even goes 4x a week to hang out at Flying Saucer Cafe, a jewish owned business, and shows interest in any jewish woman thats brought up.

propjoe is even secretly enfatuated with me, and im a guy (mensch actually).

Posted by: goldie at January 13, 2009 4:11 PM

"It all goes back to what you told someone they could find in Canarsie many months ago!!!"

If I recall correctly, that's "open Thread" material.

Posted by: East New York at January 13, 2009 4:12 PM

I walk down that block many mornings and always considered that Boerum Hill.

So nobody likes 14 Townhouses? I thought they were the absolute best new construction I've seen in BK, great design and great attention to detail. Haven't been inside tho.

Posted by: denton at January 13, 2009 4:14 PM

goldie...you're a guy??? This reminds me of when I first was introduced to craigslist men seeking men!!! There were a number of guys posting who only wanted "frum" guys and I had to go ask a Jewish friend of mine what that meant. Yes, they were all in Brooklyn. Probably PropJoe actually!!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 4:14 PM

Ah, ENY, so you do remember that one!!!! LOL

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 4:15 PM

yeah, jewish married guy (not frum, pretty much freelancing jew). thus propjoes heartache and anger.

not surprised by the number of m.seeking.m. frums. see movie Trembling Before God as example.

Posted by: goldie at January 13, 2009 4:25 PM


"Ah, ENY, so you do remember that one!!!! LOL"

Yep. I also know what "frum" means. I do live in Crown Heights, after all.

Posted by: East New York at January 13, 2009 5:13 PM

And here i'm thinking all along that you live in East New York. Don't know where I ever got that impression.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 13, 2009 5:20 PM


I'm was raised in ENY (in the Spring Creek section, for those REALLY in the know), back when the area was filled with dirt roads, modest one- and two-family houses and retired mafiosi.

Posted by: East New York at January 13, 2009 5:45 PM

The wallpaper and w2w is the latest thing. You wouldn't have to redecorate and you could rent it out for fashion shoots to help with the modern mortgage.

Posted by: mopar at January 13, 2009 6:25 PM

Goldie's a dude? Haven't been that surprised since meeting Montrose!

Probably a whole lotta gender bending going on round here...;)

Posted by: Nokilissa at January 13, 2009 7:03 PM

in the old days (80's, 90's) it was often said that there were two classes of people in NY. Those who rode the subways and those who did not. That has changed. Not because the subways have gotten any more pleasant, they have not, but rather because they are so much safer. Younger folks, even affluent ones, are not that reluctant to take the trains. I, who am not old but alas not young, cannot really bring myself to bond with the underground. I believe there are more people like me than you all may think. The Mayor is of course a perfect phony. He has his motorcade of SUV's pick him up at his door, drive him to 86th and Lex, where he gets the subway for a few stops and then the entourage picks him up and delivers him to wherever his first meeting is. I love to drive and find to my delight that the roads lately are almost empty. Much better than they used to be. If they pass congestion pricing, as I hope, then it will be only I and the honchos of Goldman Sachs on the streets. Paradise.

Posted by: sam at January 13, 2009 8:11 PM

I think this house would be worth close to that just because of the location, although I realize not everyone likes the location. But it doesn't get more central.

And for what it's worth, the decor suits the house.

Posted by: Heather at January 13, 2009 8:15 PM

Heather, I'm not sure if I had two million dollars to spend on a house that this would be the sort of "central" I would be looking for. I would not want to be the richest person in a half-mile radius.

you know?

Posted by: sam at January 13, 2009 8:26 PM

As usual the delusional cheerleaders fail to grasp simple nyc class characteristics. Wealthy people don't ride trains. "Oh but I've seen my millionaire neighbor on the train" lol pure ignorance. Corp lawyers, ad execs, directors, wall st etc etc all have limo service. At worst cabs are paid for.

Posted by: cornerbodega at January 13, 2009 11:24 PM

You're pretty dumb aren't you?

Posted by: dittoburg at January 14, 2009 8:30 AM

Just because you aren't wealthy cornerbodega, doesn't mean wealthy people don't ride the trains. Get back to stocking that detergent in the windows.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at January 14, 2009 8:32 AM

Sam -- again you seem to indicate that you don't know the area, and by area I mean Brooklyn. On this block alone you have 14 new townhouses that of which 11 sold for $2.5 million or more in the last 2 years (I am not srue, but I think there may still be 2 or 3 unsold). Across the street, I think a couple of house sold on the open market for between $1.5 and $2 million maybe 2 or 3 years ago.

Does that mean this house is worth over $2 million? I doubt it, but my guess is that it well sell at $1.6 to $1.8, depending on its physical state, and the owner will be far from being the richest person in even a two block radius.

As for wealthy people taking trains, they certainly take them to work if they work in midtown. The only people I know who take cabs in the morning on a regular basis are traders who live in Cobble Hill and would rather pay the small fare to downtown (at 6 or 6:30 am when there is no traffic anyway) than walk ten or fifteen blocks to Borough Hall. Coming home, a lot of high income earners who work past 7, 8 or 9 (I think all the investment banks moved back the free car to 9 pm now) do take cars if they want.

Posted by: Boerumresident at January 14, 2009 10:03 AM

Dibs, you can only speculate as to what $$$ class I'm in. In your case its clear. BED STUY. We're already hearing conversations across NYC, "haha, some idiots even laid out money speculating in the ghetto, lol"

Posted by: cornerbodega at January 14, 2009 10:41 AM

corner, with those kinds of comments, we don't have to speculate, you give yourself away.

Posted by: mopar at January 18, 2009 4:30 PM

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