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December 19, 2008
Open House Picks: Six Months Later

Comment: Increasingly ugly.
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i think the sterling buyer posts here occasionally. can't remember who it was, though.
Posted by: i disagree at December 19, 2008 12:44 PM
St. James comes with tenants. Heeeeeere pricey pricey pricey...come down here [man raises hands and wiggles fingers similar to calling a kitty].
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at December 19, 2008 12:52 PM
Ouch. I think we'll soon be seeing 2003 prices in Park Slope after all.
Posted by: nyc87 at December 19, 2008 1:16 PM
I saw 20 Sterling. It was listed very aggressively at 1.8. The final sale price seems just about right for the house. The house needed a lot of work. I would have gutted it. But that is just me. You could have moved in with some work. This house with a new kitchen and baths would have sold close to asking.
Posted by: billyboomer at December 19, 2008 1:53 PM
20 Sterling is currently being gut reno'd. $626/sf is a nice price for a place not in move-in condition. I dare say, too high.
Posted by: FatLenny at December 19, 2008 2:40 PM
I'm the one that bought 20 sterling. We're not gut renoing it per se, although we did put quite a bit of work into it. Main things really were painting (look at the colors it used to have!); the floors, which we put new ones over; and the facade, which needed a new scratch coat/brownstone coat.
It was totally livable as it was before, we moved right in. We just wanted to make a few capital improvements to bring it back to its prior glory.
I think they priced it assuming it was in top notch shape (maybe a little high) and we've gotten away with putting just a fraction of the difference into it in terms of renovations. I think the point is that if you don't want everything _perfect_ and forgo a complete gutting, you save tremendous amounts of money and the house still retains its character.
Posted by: justinm at December 19, 2008 3:22 PM
Congratulations Justin and family!!! Enjoy!!!
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at December 19, 2008 3:26 PM
CONGRATS!!!
my husband grew up on Sterling
great folks there
Posted by: gemini10 at December 19, 2008 3:34 PM
j- yea the price was too high when they listed it. so it seems to me you got a fair price. Good luck, your location is fantastic and the improvements you have made and will continue to make will only bring more value to the house and fun for you..
Posted by: billyboomer at December 19, 2008 3:38 PM
cool justinm. good for you!
Posted by: i disagree at December 19, 2008 3:43 PM
Congrats, Justin. I live just down the block and love the area. It looked like there was lots of work being done when I've passed by but I could never really see all the way inside. So far, the area has retained its value and I'm sure hoping it will continue to do so.
Our place was in pretty bad shape when we first moved in. We lived there for a year, then gutted the bottom floor, moved the kitchen to the parlor level, and added a bathroom. It was a pretty horrible experience that involved all the attendant contractor lies and corruption that ones can expect, but we love it now. It's nice to be able to put your own touches on your new home.
Posted by: FatLenny at December 19, 2008 3:59 PM
Congrats Justin...great house!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at December 19, 2008 4:00 PM
Thanks for all the good wishes. We did avoid doing renovation on the kitchen/bathroom, which is still planned, but I guess it did seem like we gutted it based on the facade work and all of the drywall trash because we moved a wall, raised a ceiling, and exposed one of the walls to brick.
Totally agreed though that it's better in the end to buy a fixer upper (not a trash heap) because you can use the price difference to fix it up the way _you_ want it, not the way that will sell it the best or the way the prior owners liked it.
I think this price is decent, and I think that contrary to the post's comments "Increasingly Ugly" it actually shows that the PS brownstone market is holding up quite well given the circumstances. The foreclosures are mostly localized to the new construction, I think. Places that have been around for a hundred years are commodities and have lots of intrinsic value that is just recently being realized, I believe.
Posted by: justinm at December 19, 2008 4:24 PM
justinm : You scored a deal buddy. Nice house.
Posted by: sebb at December 19, 2008 5:21 PM
Do wish you the best of luck, as for your timing and the price you paid... I rather not comment
Posted by: cornerbodega at December 19, 2008 11:41 PM
cornerbodega : Please dont come on this site trying to be negative with the last comment
Posted by: sebb at December 20, 2008 1:12 AM
I did some work for Justin on Sterling place. Installed some tin ceilings and worked on the rental bathroom. It's a great house and it was smart to save all the original details. That house has lots of character and the location is fantastic, being right off of 5th Ave. That section of 5th Ave has really come up over the years. Love Gorilla Coffee too!
Posted by: Rick at December 20, 2008 7:14 AM
At the very least, we took out the downpayment (more than half the price) less than a week before the market crashed. It was all invested in the market...so there's 20-30% right there. Not really losing sleep over the market price of the house anyway...we're going to be living here for at least a decade and are sure that in the long term it's as good of an investment as any (it has been for the last 100 years at least).
Good to have the discussion though -- some very heated debates on the future of the brownstone market. Probably what's the most telling of the future market will be how the new constructions do. Don't think the recession has hit the slope housing market yet, but will be interested what happens when the wall street bonuses come out this year 50% lighter.
Posted by: justinm at December 20, 2008 5:10 PM

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