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December 23, 2008
Last Week's Biggest Sales

1. PARK SLOPE $2,400,000
108 Berkeley Place GMAP (left)
When it was an Open House Pick this summer, the three-family brownstone was asking $2,650,000. The price on the 4,000-sf house was reduced to $2,499,000 later that month, according to StreetEasy. Entered into contract on 9/2/08; closed on 12/4/08; deed recorded on 12/15/08.
2. DOWNTOWN BROOKLYN $1,712,000
101 Willoughby St./BellTel Lofts, Unit 17A GMAP (right)
A 1,847-sf, 3-bed, 2-bath unit in the BellTel Lofts. Entered into contract on 6/27/07; closed on 7/22/08; deed recorded on 12/17/08.
3. MILL BASIN $1,300,000
68 Bell Point Drive
This home appears to be part of a planned community called the Bay Front Estates at Mill Basin. Interestingly, Google Maps does not recognize the address on this one. According to StreetEasy, it's a 4,313-sf, 4-bed house. Entered into contract on 11/3/08; closed on 12/15/08; deed recorded on 12/18/08.
4. BERGEN BEACH $1,250,000
2241 East 66th Street GMAP
2,235-sf, 1-family house. Entered into contract on 4/26/08; closed on 10/28/08; deed recorded on 12/16/08.
5. CARROLL GARDENS $1,250,000
148 Degraw Street GMAP
This four-family townhouse was an Open House Pick back in November '07, when it was asking $1,649,000. StreetEasy recorded six price chops before it finally went into contract. The last asking was $1,275,000. Entered into contract on 9/4/08; closed on 12/9/08; deed recorded on 12/19/08.
108 Berkeley photo from PropertyShark.
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The What'll be on here shortly telling us these didn't really sell or that they are not valid comps or that the banks which lent the money are stupid.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 23, 2008 11:08 AM
Carroll Gardens at 25% under the Nov 07 ask. Wow. what can you say to that?
Posted by: xander at December 23, 2008 11:33 AM
CG house came with a rent controlled tenant and was on the other side of the highway. As far as i know.
Posted by: sebb at December 23, 2008 11:38 AM
Cliff notes for coming comments:
Team Bull: Wow, Park Slope house got $2.4 with a December closing, so much for the bottom dropping out of the Brooklyn real estate market. Brooklyn is such a special place.
Team Bear: Pslope house went into contract well before the meltdown, not indicative of any market trends. Buyers will only back out or renegotiate under extreme duress. Prices will be dropping fast, can't wait to buy a dirt cheap brownstone for my family.
Carry on....
Posted by: squaredrive at December 23, 2008 11:47 AM
squaredrive, that was perfect and can be used over and over in at least three threads per day! Can we assign captains, i.e., sebb for Team Bull and Miss Muffett for Team Bear?
Posted by: Biff Champion at December 23, 2008 12:07 PM
Sign me up for Team Bear! (something tells me my team will be bigger than Sebb's...)
Posted by: Miss Muffett at December 23, 2008 12:16 PM
Miss Muffett, your starting lineup will consist of you, The What, HOBOKENROCKS, DOW/Brownstones Half Off/Gravis and shillstoner. You might be right about team size as I'm having a harder time filling sebb's team.
Posted by: Biff Champion at December 23, 2008 12:23 PM
What about Snark Slope? I'm sure there are many others, but I'm having a busy day at work so can't check the handles...
I think Sebb's line-up would include Aussie (maybe) and possibly I Disagree, though even they have been conceding price declines are likely... In fact, Sebb is kind of in a league of his own, don't ya think?
Putting on my virtual cap with a big ol' bear on it,
Muffy
Posted by: Miss Muffett at December 23, 2008 12:33 PM
Sebb is like one of those pro life freaks who are ardent war hawks. Blind faith...
Posted by: cornerbodega at December 23, 2008 12:42 PM
Hmmm, I'm not sure if SnarkSlope, Aussie and i disagree are bulls. The bulls are getting harder to find. Maybe DIBS? benson? sam? I'm reaching here...
It might turn out to be 5-on-1 after all!
Posted by: Biff Champion at December 23, 2008 12:43 PM
G'day Biff + Muffy. If a Bull is a person who doesn't think that 40% (average) declines are coming then put me on Sebbs team. Just to be clear that dosen't mean Muffy wont be able to buy, at a 40% discount to original list price, a distressed home from some poor bugger going under. I'm talking about, as I think most people are, a 40% average price drop peak to valley.
Anyway I will be the Brownstoner Asian conection from next week. I'll be keeping a keen eye for the next couple of years from there.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Posted by: Aussie at December 23, 2008 1:07 PM
"Hmmm, I'm not sure if SnarkSlope, Aussie and i disagree are bulls."
I might fling a lot of bull, but I don't count myself as one.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at December 23, 2008 1:29 PM
Who pays $925/sq ft in BellTel? Seems high for the building/area.
Posted by: JLater at December 23, 2008 1:32 PM
No, SnarkSlope - was thinking you were a bear, hence on my team...
Posted by: Miss Muffett at December 23, 2008 2:03 PM
Great so now that we have teams here are the rules:
Anyone on a team is obviously there because their strongly held beliefs are so well known that none of the rest of us really want to hear it anymore.
So if you are on a team and see something that you think underlines your point don't post anything except "One for bulls" or "Point, bears".
That way the rest of us can avoid your postings all together and people with interesting, new, or relevant information won't get crowded out.
What a relief that will be.
Posted by: MR at December 23, 2008 2:20 PM
Point, whiners.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at December 23, 2008 2:33 PM
Biff and Muffy;
I think Aussie has a point. You have to define "the spread" before teams can be chosen up. If the over-under line is a 20% decline in Brownstone Brooklyn's average selling price, then put me on Sebb's team.
Posted by: benson at December 23, 2008 2:37 PM
Ok MR and you are da po po. ;-)
Posted by: Aussie at December 23, 2008 2:39 PM
Benson, are you saying you think prices can go down as much as 20?
Posted by: Miss Muffett at December 23, 2008 2:43 PM
Miss Muffet breaks the rules at 2:43pm
Posted by: bayridgegirl at December 23, 2008 2:45 PM
Miss Muffet;
What I am predicting is that the magnitude of the decline in the ASP (average selling price) in Brownstone Brooklyn) will be 20% or less from the peak.
Posted by: benson at December 23, 2008 2:52 PM
"Point, whiners."
SnarkSlope, that and the 3 years in Atlanta comeback the other day were hilarious.
benson, you and Aussie have a point. But I'm too lazy to come up with the system and track all of this. Can't we just throw out the facts and base everything on warped perception and faulty newspaper reporting, like we usually do here?
Posted by: Biff Champion at December 23, 2008 2:52 PM
Fair enough Benson - I actually think that indeed puts you in the bulls camp, since that's a pretty shallow decline given the run-up.
Posted by: Miss Muffett at December 23, 2008 3:08 PM
Biff;
You're right! Why would we want to spoil the very essence of Brownstoner commentary??? It's more fun to throw the BS around and be opinionated! ;-)
Miss Muffet;
Since the teams have been instructed to stake out their position and refrain from further comment henceforth, let me have my last word on the matter (if Captain Sebb will allow me to do so).
Remember, I said average selling price. A 20% decline in ASP is a big drop, and represents alot of wealth evaporation. I am picking 20% or less for the following reasons:
-during the last big RE crash in NYC (early 90's), that was the decline, and, from what I see so far, that crash was alot worse than this one (I'm talking about NYC).
-there is not a huge oversupply in Brooklyn, compared to markets that have crashed like Miami and Phoenix. We can thank NYC's cumbersome regulatory process for this "gift". The number of units coming on-line is not that big, in comparison to the total number of units in NYC.
-I believe that there is a "back to the city" movement underway, to Brooklyn's benefit.
OK, that's my final words on the matter - gotta go to the huddle.
Posted by: benson at December 23, 2008 3:19 PM
benson, I think you've been elevated to Assistant Captain. DIBS is definitely on your squad, given his recent comment on the Joralemon house sale.
Posted by: Biff Champion at December 23, 2008 3:25 PM
I am on Benson's team as well. 20% down from peak sounds about right to me. And I agree a "back to the city" movement will be to Brooklyn's benefit. But I am optimistic by nature, I will admit that.
Posted by: wasder at December 23, 2008 4:43 PM
and let me say that I think that CG house was still outrageously priced given location.
Posted by: wasder at December 23, 2008 4:44 PM
%20 from peak is what I think. Which team am I a part of? Oh well, I'll be a double agent then...
Posted by: Gravis at December 23, 2008 4:53 PM
benson :-there is not a huge over supply in Brooklyn, compared to markets that have crashed like Miami and Phoenix. We can thank NYC's cumbersome regulatory process for this "gift". The number of units coming on-line is not that big, in comparison to the total number of units in NYC.
The above sentence says everything one needs to know about buying Real Estate right now in this environment.
With Coop Boards stringent it looks to me like Miss Muffett will have to take it in the dumper.
benson you can be my Quarterback.
Anyone else want to join the team?
Posted by: sebb at December 23, 2008 5:30 PM
I guess i'm on sebb's team. Tight end or wide receiver???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 23, 2008 6:01 PM
Glad everyone divided up appropriately....but where does this leave us agnostics searching for facts...? As referees?
Posted by: squaredrive at December 23, 2008 8:37 PM
Well, inventory may grow. Look at 1st Street. I'm also already experiencing brokers practically begging us to buy at nearly 20% below ask and this before the really painful year - 2009 - has begun. I wish I could come up a zingy sports metaphor for this but alas my tastes run more towards cultural stuff instead of sports. Sebb - I really don't see how I will "take it in the dumper". You yourself conceded this week that 400K off overinflated asks can be expected!
Posted by: Miss Muffett at December 23, 2008 9:38 PM
Miss Muffet;
OK, stepping in here in my new role as Sebb's QB.
Let me offer you some advice, and this is coming from someone who is in sales (for industrial products, not real estate): the asking price is meaningless. A seller can ask whatever they darn please. The asking price is wholly the creation of one person: the seller and as such, is not a metric of the marketplace.
What really matters is the selling price: the price at which the buyer and the seller agreed to meet. Again I go to my point in the thread above: please let's track the decline in the average selling price!! I ask you to buy any market research report (as I do) and you will see that this is how the market is tracked.
So, providing us with anecdotal information that some delusional seller has finally woken up and come to realize that the sky is not the limit, and that his asking price had to be lowered, is somewhat informative, but not of use in tracking the market.
PS: Sebb - how did I do in my first play?
Posted by: benson at December 23, 2008 10:36 PM
benson: Completion Keep the drive alive.
Posted by: sebb at December 23, 2008 11:09 PM
Can I join a team? I feel like the fat kid that gets picked last for dodgeball.....ah memories....
Posted by: the chicken at December 24, 2008 3:56 AM
wow brownstoner, you left wall street for this? sweet. looks like you are hosting a sounding board for the socially bereft...
Posted by: jingle mail at December 26, 2008 9:45 AM

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