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December 23, 2008

Co-Housing Site Likely "Near Prospect Park"

In the wake of the news that the Brooklyn Co-Housing group had walked away from a deal to take over the Carlton Mews project, the group's organizer Alex Marshall mentioned on the Brian Lehrer show this morning that it is now negotiating on a development site "near Prospect Park." Any guesses?




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Tent city inside the park?

Posted by: SnarkSlope at December 23, 2008 11:27 AM

Atlantic Yards?

The What BAK

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: Return of The What at December 23, 2008 11:29 AM

according to brokers, any place in brooklyn is steps from prospect park...so really it can be anywhere

Posted by: blackstoner at December 23, 2008 11:53 AM

If I have guess I would say either along the east side of the park or the southern tip near either the stables or the circle near 15th St. There's no residential along Flatbush which is north and where the heck would they put it along PPW? so that's my deduction...

Posted by: oohlala at December 23, 2008 11:54 AM

I say Utah.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at December 23, 2008 11:56 AM

It could be anywhere but on GAP it could be the old Montauk Club, which is in need of some partnering. They have plenty of space in the building and a vacant lot next door.


Posted by: sam at December 23, 2008 12:06 PM

Mr. B;

How about the vacant lot on Ocean Ave in PLG that you highlighted a few weeks ago? This is the place where the developer tore down a single family home and was destined to build an 8 story building.

Posted by: benson at December 23, 2008 12:15 PM

most likely these people will be of the granola type, but there's a little part of me that would LOVE them to be like the Nooni's from saturday night live.

*rob*

Posted by: PitbullNYC at December 23, 2008 12:21 PM

Benson,

Thats exactly what I was thinking--you couldn't get any closer to Prospect Park. I wish the house at 185 Ocean hadn't been torn down, but something like this wouldn't be all that bad.

Posted by: Bob Marvin at December 23, 2008 12:52 PM

The Montauk Club would be an amazing coup but somehow I don't see that happening. I think Brian Lehrer at first said they were considering a spot in Park Slope but then later changed it to "near Prospect Park", so maybe they are actually looking in the Slope area.

Posted by: Park_loper at December 23, 2008 12:59 PM

They're probably types that like the idea of the PS Food Coop, too.

Posted by: cobblehiller at December 23, 2008 1:03 PM

Bob;

If I were you, I'd have the neighborhood association get in touch with these folks, if they're not already looking at this site. You could do far worse than have these folks take over that development, as they seem interested in good design.

Posted by: benson at December 23, 2008 1:16 PM

Yeah, my first thought was the Ocean Avenue place too.

Posted by: Heather at December 23, 2008 1:33 PM

I heard this interview. They have no site bought, they are only in negotiation. Makes you wonder about their ft. green site. Brian asked him a question about the financial stability of members and what would happen if one member defaulted or was unable to pay. Alex did not have a clear cut answer only that the group would pull together as a community. Does that inspire confidence in the idea? Or the leadership?

Posted by: billyboomer at December 23, 2008 1:43 PM

I vote Prospect Lefferts. The Ocean Ave spot is a good guess. But there are number of empty lots.

My understanding is that the other deal fell through because of cost. Park Slope is cost-prohibitive.

Posted by: theandrewlee at December 23, 2008 1:51 PM

It would be great to get them in PLG. But the rendering of the Carlton Mews project that fell apart looks way larger than the Ocean Ave spot would allow. Unless they build tall and high density and also buy and knock down the house/lot that was for sale next door to it too. But remember, high density in that spot was upsetting to some people.

If the owner would ever let it go (which by all accounts he won't) the historic building on Flatbush where Phat Albert Warehouse is housed is more like what this group was looking for.

Posted by: traditionalmod at December 23, 2008 2:06 PM

Park Loper:

The Montauk Club is already condos. The club is only 2 floors, maybe 4,000 square feet each.

Posted by: Polemicist at December 23, 2008 2:09 PM

They will probably use the old Caldonian Hospital site on Parkside. It seems to be the only site near the park that is big enough to accomodate their project. It is only one block away from Parkside station on the "Q" train and steps away from the entrance to the park.

Posted by: Chaka at December 23, 2008 2:50 PM

There's also the site of the (apparently)aborted 23 story glass tower on Lincoln Road, near Ocean, but AFAIK that's not for sale and, if it were. would probably be too expensive. OTOH, you never know in this market.

Posted by: Bob Marvin at December 23, 2008 3:30 PM

I just listened to the item on the WNYC website. IIRC the Ocean Ave. site was intended to have 8 apartments and thia group is planning for 30 families. Even if the site next door were included, I can't imagine how it could be large enough. The Lincoln Rd. site or the "Fat Albert" bldg would be another story.

Posted by: Bob Marvin at December 23, 2008 3:43 PM

In early Fall, the developer for the Lincoln Rd tower told a PLG resident who inquired with him that the project was still going to be built but with some adjustments to the plan to fit more units. Delays and stops in work happen in developments all the time, and not only during a recession. Especially in NYC. We all know that. So until this developer announces it's aborted there's no reason to assume it is.

Posted by: traditionalmod at December 23, 2008 3:56 PM

The Ocean Avenue site is defintiely too small. The Fat Abert and Lincoln Road sites are large enough but the old Caldonian Hospital site would probably be more cost efficient and right across the street from the park.

Posted by: Chaka at December 23, 2008 3:59 PM

I think that in this economy a lot of projects might be aborted even without an announcement, but, who knows?

There's another project which MIGHT be stalled on Hawthorne Street, between Rogers and Nostrand. The site is cleared, but the last time I passed by there was no sign of any activity. However the existing permit is for a new building of a bit more than 4500 sq. feet, which is also, I guess, too small.

Posted by: Bob Marvin at December 23, 2008 4:06 PM

I would anticipate major delays on projects in this climate, where they sit without activity and yet it doesn't mean the projects are aborted. It could even be a year or so before work restarts. That wouldn't be surprising.

Posted by: traditionalmod at December 23, 2008 4:21 PM

I hope it's not in park slope proper--i think it would be great to have development like this in a needier neighborhood (i realize needier can be a lot of things). and since they're going to have instant community, they don't need the ps321 and co-op stuff; they'll make their own.

Posted by: longtimelistener at December 23, 2008 4:25 PM

Co-housing differs from co-ops in that they'd actually be sharing living space like dining rooms and kitchens. More like a kibbutz than a co-op I guess.

Posted by: Chaka at December 23, 2008 5:04 PM

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