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December 31, 2008
2009 Predictions and Resolutions?

Anyone have any predictions for the Brooklyn real estate market or renovation resolutions? How about the financial markets in general? As far as the real estate market goes, we're just hoping that Clinton Hill doesn't slip too far below 2004 values (where it's probably pretty close to already); as for renovation, it's a fair bet that we won't be moving the kitchen down to the parlor floor in '09. Others?
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Raven from That's So Raven predicts i haz 2 toiletz will be i haz 3 toiletz in 09. uh that was dumb sorry.
i just hope a lot of retails places dont continue to shutter. tho in brooklyn it seems like more and more are open. in manhattan ive noticed first hand how many larger stores are closing and sitting empty. there are 4 huge vacancies in the last couple of months between houston and spring and no one is moving into them. one i know why... my building where i work in hasnt had retail under it because the rent is RIDICULOUS. thor equities (the people who took over coney island) bought this building last year and kicked out the Sketchers store that was there and havent been able to bring anyone new in.
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at December 31, 2008 10:06 AM
I'll stop arguing with the What. It seems to be pointless to try and argue logically with a brick.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 31, 2008 10:11 AM
"I'll stop arguing with the What. It seems to be pointless to try and argue logically with a brick."
If that's the case..then...
I'll stop arguing with you-know--who. It seems to be pointless to try and argue logically with a brick.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at December 31, 2008 10:15 AM
I guess I don't have to worry that my neighborhood will fall to 1974 levels, although, since I'm NEVER selling, it's a moot point :-)
Posted by: Bob Marvin at December 31, 2008 10:18 AM
Re Clinton Hill and other Brooklyn neighborhoods and the price level they will drop to (e.g. 2004 levels), I think it's very hard to say. And I don't think Clinton Hill is at 2004 levels. If anything, seems like there hasn't been any real drop in prices (which I find odd). In 2004, you did not have many, or any, places selling in the range of $2 million, and that has still happened in the past few months. We'll see. I hope retail stays solid in all neighborhoods during these tough times.
Posted by: 1842 at December 31, 2008 10:24 AM
Expect further weakness of 10-20% downward pressure on real estate values in the brownstone brooklyn vicinity.
Posted by: commonsense at December 31, 2008 10:41 AM
Predictions:
Ministry of Peace
Ministry of Plenty
Ministry of Truth
Ministry of Love
Posted by: bayridgegirl at December 31, 2008 10:42 AM
"I'll stop arguing with the What. It seems to be pointless to try and argue logically with a brick."
Brick 1 Dave 0
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at December 31, 2008 10:44 AM
I loved Ministry's music from the 80s.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 31, 2008 10:48 AM
QED
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 31, 2008 10:49 AM
My resolution for 2009 is to either buy with the small down-payment my wife and I have saved currently, or build that down-payment way up so that we can buy more easily in 2010.
My secondary resolution is to not talk myself into buying in a neighborhood where I won't be happy, simply because I'm tired of paying rent.
My tertiary resolution is to stop being obscenely jealous of people who own full brownstones in Park Slope, Carol Gardens, Brooklyn Heights, and Fort Greene / Clinton Hill. I ... expect to fail this resolution. :)
Posted by: cwbuecheler at December 31, 2008 11:04 AM
1) NYC real estate will fall 8-12% on the Case-Schiller index.
2) The recession will hit the real economy with a much greater impact than it is now.
3) NYC will continue to outperform other urban areas.
4) Stock market will bottom in June and rebound in September.
Posted by: FatLenny at December 31, 2008 11:11 AM
Good resolutions, cwbuecheler, except that you should be pleased that you're renting right now. Try to save money and buy at the end of 2009. You should get a discount and I think rates will be obscenely low as spreads will probably decrease from where they are now. I'll add another prediction: interest rates on Jumbos will break 5%.
Posted by: FatLenny at December 31, 2008 11:22 AM
I predict that some folks with moderate incomes who are fortunate enough to have secure jobs will finally be able to afford a place to live in a less desirable area of Brooklyn, if they can live without cable and QVC and lots of dinners out, kind of like us in 1986, and that it will be okay, really.
Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at December 31, 2008 11:24 AM
Brenda...
QVC?
I think your'e speaking to a different demographic than 90% of the people on this forum.
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at December 31, 2008 11:26 AM
lol i was just going to comment on the QVC thing too. brenda you're a riot!
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at December 31, 2008 11:47 AM
I'm going to be twice as successful in my career next year, despite the economy. Since my field involves what is really extra, luxury home items, I'm going to have to work twice as hard. That may mean branching out into other lines of work, which I welcome. I may have 10 jobs, like the Jamaican characters in the Living Color sketches, but 'ey mon, dat's irie.
If I do have a lot of down time, I'm staying home and doing what I can at Casa Morris. Paint is still reasonable, as are soap and water, and I may teach myself to reupholster furniture. I'm going to work on the books I want to write, the curtains I need to sew, and work on the back yard this year.
I also want to network with like minded entrepeneurs, especially in Brooklyn, to see if we can pool our talents and resources together to succeed where we might not have been able to individually. I see the next couple of years as a challenge to reinvent my life, my career, and my choices. There is never a good time to take chances, you just have to get out there and do. If it doesn't work, you tried. If you don't try, then you have only yourself to blame. Go for it.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at December 31, 2008 11:54 AM
In Brenda's defense I used to see MANY boxes from HSN and QVC curbside on recycling night in the poshest areas of Brooklyn.
It's the guilty pleasure only your UPS Man knows about!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at December 31, 2008 11:54 AM
Fat Lenny -- I agree on the Case Schiller index, except that I think it will be 8-10% in B Heights/Cobble Hill and Center Slope, and 12-15% in C. Gardens, Ft. Greene/Clinton Hill, other parts of Park Slope and Prospect Heights, and maybe 15-17% in Bed-Stuy, Crown Heights, Lefferts.
All of these neighborhoods will then slip another 5% or so in 2010.
I can't predict how far neighborhoods like Red Hook, Bay Ridge or Ditmas will fall, and the whole Williamsburg thing is so tied up in the collapse of the new condo market that again I wouldn't want to make any predictions.
Stock market? I think the days of continual growth are over for the foreseeable future -- there may be a 3-4% increase by next year, but given the market volatility these days, who knows if that's significant.
Posted by: Boerumresident at December 31, 2008 11:55 AM
I see 2009 as a year of lower spending and probably the worse year of the recession. The Brooklyn RE Market will fall at least 10-20 percent more. Alot of the rich have taken this fall worse than the have nots. I guess the WHAT loves that. Borrowing is alot tighter and homes at the higher end will be a harder buy for most. As for the market who knows but my prediction is that we will start heading lower as soon as the new year begins. Of course I was correct all 2008 so I expect to be wrong as soon as 2009 begins... The market is now in a pattern, if it moves to break either the 915 range in the sp 500 it will go up but if it breaks 857 than 818 on the sp 500 it goes down. Have a great one all.
Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at December 31, 2008 11:58 AM
MM i LOVED that skit on living color hahahah
ya mon what u mean u only work 2 jobs? you laaaazy! hahah
*rob*
Posted by: PitbullNYC at December 31, 2008 12:03 PM
2009- Will begin as a very tough year but will turn around in the second half, especially once the media stop pressing negativity into our brains.
Posted by: Crooklyn at December 31, 2008 12:04 PM
I think that many of us probably realize that we've had the "good life" for a long time, but that the "good life" is very much an endangered species unless we do something to change our government and our way of life - fast.
My prediction, unfortunately, is that the outgoing administration of war pigs, along with an alarming number of teflon-coated pigs on Wall street and elsewhere, have done damage that has yet to reveal itself. I feel like we all must resolve to take our country back from the lobbyists and corporations that are bloodletting us, and making us loathed around the world. And happy as I am that Mr. Obama will give us a fresh start, let's not kid ourselves that he alone has the power to revert us back to the good 'ole days.
This means getting rid of inept senators and house members (about 75% of each) who epitomize the word stupid. These are the very people who allowed Henry Paulson and the other pigs in the Treasury to steal our money and give approximately 1.5 billion in bogus bonuses to bank executives through the TARP program over the last few months. These are the same elected officials who can't even handle writing a simple contract with the receiving banks that would have prevented this abuse of taxpayer funds. Why is that? These are the same idiots that allowed Bush to lob bombs for no good reason while running the till dry. This is really basic sh*t that obviously connotes more serious and nefarious undertones.
I love the finer things in life, and I'm just as fascinated as the next person with topics like summer concerts in prospect park, wolf vs. viking, new restaurants in ft. greene, and the love we all share for brooklyn and new york, but maybe it's time for all of us to look at the bigger picture so that our kids have the same opportunities that we did. Worrying about house values and neighborhood crime trends, while important, are very little things in a big picture that most of us are unwilling to face.
Don't trust the government to do the right thing - I don't think they will unless they are compelled to. We should all be mad as hell right now!
On the positive side, we live in Brooklyn and the rest of the country has no clue what they're missing!!! Happy New Year!
Posted by: appoggiatura at December 31, 2008 12:05 PM
I think that many of us probably realize that we've had the "good life" for a long time, but that the "good life" is very much an endangered species unless we do something to change our government and our way of life - fast.
My prediction, unfortunately, is that the outgoing administration of war pigs, along with an alarming number of teflon-coated pigs on Wall street and elsewhere, have done damage that has yet to reveal itself. I feel like we all must resolve to take our country back from the lobbyists and corporations that are bloodletting us, and making us loathed around the world. And happy as I am that Mr. Obama will give us a fresh start, let's not kid ourselves that he alone has the power to revert us back to the good 'ole days.
This means getting rid of inept senators and house members (about 75% of each) who epitomize the word stupid. These are the very people who allowed Henry Paulson and the other pigs in the Treasury to steal our money and give approximately 1.5 billion in bogus bonuses to bank executives through the TARP program over the last few months. These are the same elected officials who can't even handle writing a simple contract with the receiving banks that would have prevented this abuse of taxpayer funds. Why is that? These are the same idiots that allowed Bush to lob bombs for no good reason while running the till dry. This is really basic sh*t that obviously connotes more serious and nefarious undertones.
I love the finer things in life, and I'm just as fascinated as the next person with topics like summer concerts in prospect park, wolf vs. viking, new restaurants in ft. greene, and the love we all share for brooklyn and new york, but maybe it's time for all of us to look at the bigger picture so that our kids have the same opportunities that we did. Worrying about house values and neighborhood crime trends, while important, are very little things in a big picture that most of us are unwilling to face.
Don't trust the government to do the right thing - I don't think they will unless they are compelled to. We should all be mad as hell right now!
On the positive side, we live in Brooklyn and the rest of the country has no clue what they're missing!!! Happy New Year!
Posted by: appoggiatura at December 31, 2008 12:05 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict the What's war is finally going to end. i'd say in October. On a Tuesday. Sometime before noon.
Posted by: Beau Guest at December 31, 2008 12:05 PM
Could 2009 be the year when the phrase D-O-N-E-D-E-A-L is finally retired from Brownstoner?
Posted by: SteveFtGreene at December 31, 2008 12:05 PM
New York, New York: America’s Resilient City
By Edward L. Glaeser
Edward L. Glaeser is an economist at Harvard.
Wall Street is just about to finish the worst year since 1931. American housing markets are finishing their worst year in recorded history. New York’s economy is highly dependent on Wall Street; about 40 percent of Manhattan’s total payroll was in finance and insurance in 2006. These three facts should have created the mother of all price crashes in New York City real estate.
Yet New York’s housing prices are doing remarkably well relative to elsewhere in America.
Today’s Case-Shiller housing price figures indicate that New York City’s prices dropped 7.5 percent in the last year, while prices in Los Angeles declined 27.9 percent. Nationwide prices dropped 18 percent. New York is the only major metropolitan area with prices that are still 90 percent above prices in January 2000. According to National Association of Realtors data, New York is the only city in the continental United States, outside of San Francisco Bay, where median sales prices remain north of $500,000.
Despite Wall Street’s suffering, the New York area’s unemployment rate, 5.6 percent in the latest figures, is lower than that in many other major cities. The comparable unemployment rate for Los Angeles is 8.2 percent. The comparable number for Chicago is 6.4 percent.
This is not the first time that New York has weathered a downturn well. Between 1950 and 2000, all but 2 of the 10 largest American cities lost 20 percent or more of their populations. America’s older, colder cities were buffeted badly by an exodus of manufacturing jobs, suburbanization and the move to the Sun Belt. Some cities — Cleveland, Detroit and St. Louis — shrank to one-half or less of their former size. New York and Los Angeles were the two cities that grew. While Los Angeles had everything going for it — cars, sunshine, movie stars — New York, then as now, seemed to have everything going against it.
Every older city has survived a number of recessions. Boston has been around for almost 400 years despite having few natural advantages except cranberry bogs and a decent harbor. Over and over again, economic shocks challenged Boston’s survival. Time and time again, smart people learning from each other in a dense city have come up with new ways to thrive.
For the city’s first three centuries, New York thrived as America’s most important port. Nature endowed Manhattan with a great natural harbor, a deep long river that cut into a fertile hinterland and a central location on the Eastern seaboard. These gifts made New York that hub of trans-Atlantic commerce in the 19th century. New York’s major industries grew up around the port, such as sugar refining, printing and publishing, and the garment industry.
Over the 20th century, the advantages that came from the ports and railroads that had created older cities disappeared. Suburbanization, globalization and the exodus of urban manufacturing hit all of America’s older cities. When other cities, including Boston, experienced significant population declines from 1950 to 1970, New York City still grew, albeit modestly. Only during the 1970s, the years of my Manhattan youth, did the city a suffer major population decline.
However, New York managed to come roaring back, while other cities have just continued to fall. The secret of New York’s post-1970 reinvention was that smart people, who knew each other and learned from each, innovated in ways that made billions in financial services. The same density that once served to get hogsheads onto clipper ships served to spread ideas.
What does this mean for the future?
New York still has an amazing concentration of talent. That talent is more effective because all those smart people are connected because of the city’s extreme population density levels. Historically, human capital — the education and skills of a work force — predicts which cities are able to reinvent themselves and which ones are not. Those people who are continuing to pay high prices for Manhattan real estate are implicitly betting that New York’s human capital will continue to come up with new ways of reinventing the city.
I won’t be surprised if Manhattan prices do drop in the next few years, but I also strongly believe that the future of New York City continues to be bright. Homo sapiens are a social species; almost all of what we know we learn from each other. Dense cities, like New York, succeed when they take advantage of this fundamental aspect of our humanity. They thrive by enabling us to connect with each other, which then promotes learning and innovation. The current downturn will only increase the returns to being smart, and you get smart by hanging around smart people. As long as New York continues to attract and connect those people, the city will continue to thrive.
Posted by: sebb at December 31, 2008 12:11 PM
All of brownstone Brooklyn will get socked with 15 to 20% reductions, more if there is an uptick in violent crime or if there is a particularly awful murder that the media goes nuts over.
Eventually, prices will stabilize in Brooklyn Heights, then Cobble Hill, then Park Slope, then it will spread out as it always does.
All of you in Clinton Hill and Fort Greene and Crown Heights should be grateful for Brooklyn Heights. It is the prestige of the Heights that always seems to turn things around for Brooklyn during hard times. It is a remarkable neighborhood in that regard.
Posted by: sam at December 31, 2008 12:15 PM
I see no uptick in Crime , Why do people keep bringing this up? The NYPD has a done a wonderful job for many years now keeping crime at low levels. But people still doubt them. With the NYPD getting more technology I see crime going lower. I also hope Obama brings back the ban on assault weapons.
Posted by: sebb at December 31, 2008 12:22 PM
sam...there are particularly awful murders in Brooklyn almost weekly!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 31, 2008 12:24 PM
Does anyone believe I will get my Brooklyn Heights Townhouse for 1 million or less? I predict this may be the year....
Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at December 31, 2008 12:25 PM
"I'm going to go out on a limb and predict the What's war is finally going to end. i'd say in October. On a Tuesday. Sometime before noon." beau guest
OMG, that's absolutely hilarious...are you related to SnarkSlope?
Posted by: cobblehiller at December 31, 2008 12:29 PM
MM - as a fellow entrepreneur hoping to get his business off the ground in 2009, I wish you the best of luck!
Posted by: cwbuecheler at December 31, 2008 12:30 PM
LOL
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 31, 2008 12:30 PM
YES crime is starting to tick up, even in my neighborhood by the waterfront I read of some guys robbed. Hoboken is very good in the crime area but I have recently read about more crime. I don't know if its an uptick or me just paying more attention to it. Hope it doesn't get too bad.
Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at December 31, 2008 12:31 PM
That LOL was aimed at Hoboken's under $1MM BH home fantasy.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 31, 2008 12:33 PM
re: Crime - well, I was pretty sure crime was going up when a kid got knocked down and mugged for his iPod and phone right infront of me in broad daylight with dozens of other people right nearby on Halloween.
Then I heard a day ago, that a woman was raped at knife point at Kane and Cheever at 11:30 in the morning. It hasn't been on the news that I've seen. I heard there were signs posted about this in my neighborhood, I haven't seen them.
Posted by: cobblehiller at December 31, 2008 12:37 PM
I predict that as soon as things start to improve -- 2010, say -- the U.S. will no longer be able to borrow money, and the world will end. I hope I'm wrong about that.
More certainly, there will be more bankruptcies and layoffs in the first quarter of 2009. Housing prices will keep going down. Interest rates will keep going up. The Fed won't be able to stop it.
Meanwhile, artists will continue to remake Bushwick.
Manhattan would become a has-been except for the subway service.
Posted by: mopar at December 31, 2008 12:48 PM
"I also hope Obama brings back the ban on assault weapons."
Not a chance. He has more important things to worry about. Anyway, they've been banned in NYC since Dinkins.
Crime will definitely move up. I too have seen things I haven't seen in years. There are many people working in low-end construction, demo and what not, who could slide right back into another lifestyle when they can't find work. The NYPD alone can't take credit for reducing crime, let's give some props to the people who aren't committing any.
In case you haven't noticed the murder rate is already up for this year and there have been a spate of murders in the last week or two.
However I don't see crime rising enuf to affect real estate prices.
Posted by: denton at December 31, 2008 12:49 PM
cobblehiller - have you seen more homeless walking around cobble hill lately? i have. and recently we've been having our newspapers stolen out of our front vestibule and even the metal drain pipe was ripped off the side of our building (assuming sold for scrap metal). i've only lived here since 97, but i'm definitely noticing an uptick.
Posted by: RobertMosesJr at December 31, 2008 12:49 PM
MM, do you design things?
Posted by: mopar at December 31, 2008 12:49 PM
RMjr - I've noticed several things:
1. Individual cops walking the beat on odd little side streets where a year ago you wouldn't see them.
2. More people collecting plastic bottles and cans for redemption.
3. I have noticed an uptick in odd people on my block doing what looks to me like casing houses - but no robberies so far.
Posted by: cobblehiller at December 31, 2008 1:02 PM
i'm going to go out on a limb and subscribe to panarin's predictions (link below). so by the end of 09, we will be in a full blown civil war. brownstones in prime areas should be about $50K (in gold only). after we are taken over by the EU in 2010 and adopt the euro, our economy will improve and it should be worth 5mn euros (as euro-trash migrate to their new colony and demand increases). if that doesn't come true, then i predict that will smith's "i am legend" will happen in 2010. either way, i win.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
Posted by: jingle mail at December 31, 2008 1:16 PM
Mopar, I design and produce soft home furnishings, like bedding, decorative pillows, tabletop items, bath accessories, throws, etc, etc. Also simple window dressings. I work mainly for high end decorators, but also individual clients. I source fabrics and trims for clients, too. I also consult on color selection, and basic design questions, especially regarding period interiors, but I am not an interior decorator. I'm branching out into lighting and other hard accessories, and am working with 2 different partners in designing and producing various forms of the above. We are also working on a couple of websites to feature our products, but I don't have anything as of yet on the internet. I've done homes, restaurants and hotels. I'm in negotiation for a restaurant job now, hopefully that will come through soon.
Thanks, cwb, I wish you the same.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at December 31, 2008 1:16 PM
"I'm going to go out on a limb and predict the What's war is finally going to end. i'd say in October. On a Tuesday. Sometime before noon."
Beau Guest is my new favorite poster on this blog. LOL.
Posted by: bpmbpm at December 31, 2008 1:17 PM
Ooooh, MM, that sounds like so much fun. Maybe we can see some of your designs when you get the web sites up?
Posted by: mopar at December 31, 2008 1:53 PM
Humility will creep back into the American lexicon.
Posted by: actually works in finance at December 31, 2008 2:00 PM
"Humility will creep back into the American lexicon."
That's not a prediction..that's wishful thinking.
Nothing would give me more joy than seeing humility in people!
'Actually..finance', you're wanted in the "National Prices Fall 18%, New York Further to Go" Thread. We were just going to ship you off to the Artic :)
Posted by: bayridgegirl at December 31, 2008 2:07 PM
Where's the Artic????
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 31, 2008 2:12 PM
HEY, the 'spelling' resolution starts tomorrow!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artic_(vodka)
Posted by: bayridgegirl at December 31, 2008 2:21 PM
Predictions:
Deflation =
Oil reach below $30 relatively soon - then will tick back up 3rd-4th qtr. Gas below $2 for all of 2009.
Real Estate in NYC will get hit hard - close to 20% practical declines (no index B.S. - what you can realistically sell YOUR house for will be close to 20% down from now) - this includes Brownstones in Brooklyn. Market Rate Rents will also decline in practical terms (i.e. free rent and other perks must be figured in) upwards of 30% in "luxury" buildings
Bruce Ratner will end 2009 with additional pledges of DIRECT Government subsidy and by 4th qtr some part of AY will be in construction.
Caroline Kennedy will go back to where she came from
Crime will remain at all time lows (the 5% increase in murders for this year is off the all time lowest EVER) and ARTICLES and PREDICTIONS of a return to the 80's crime rate will be at an all time high.
Bernie Madoff will NOT be in prison/jail at all in 2009
and for my bold prediction of the day - Cuomo to be appointed senator and Tom Suozzi replaces him at AGs office.
Posted by: fsrg at December 31, 2008 2:22 PM
bayridgegirl,
I don't have the energy to explain the bonus system to non-wall streeters. I'm a regulatory lawyer anyway, the bonus train doesn't stop at my station.
If unemployment reaches 10% *for those actively seeking work* things will be quite dire, and humility will return. Things will get hard. As for wall street, like the Boss said about factory jobs in Jersey: "these jobs are going son, and they ain't coming back."
Posted by: actually works in finance at December 31, 2008 2:35 PM
actually...if you actually work in finance then you know the Wall Street jobs will be back. There's nothing more cyclical than Wall Street.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 31, 2008 2:42 PM
I predict that Paterson will sidestep both the Kennedies and the Comos and will appoint the congresswoman from upstate as the next NY senator. He would be wise to do so.
Housing will drop and nowhere as much as in the less convenient sectors of Brooklyn where there has been irrational exuberance over the past three yuears. I also think Blago will remain governor of Illinois and that Charlie Rangel will have to step down from the Ways and Means committe chairmanship. I also predict the talk of global warmng will cool off and that everybody is going to want to invest in chinese mutual funds.
feliz ano nuevo!!!
Posted by: sam at December 31, 2008 2:52 PM
Dave,
I know that it is said all the time and is wrong 90% of the time, but this time is different. This is the end of publicly held investment banks and the riches that attended their assent. I should know, I worked for one of them before it failed in spectacular fashion. Now, I can get a toaster when I open a Goldman Sachs free checking account. The internet bubble was a disease of the skin, this crisis struck the heart of the American banking system. There are cycles and there are sea changes, this is a meteor hitting the sea and evaporating the water.
Posted by: actually works in finance at December 31, 2008 2:57 PM
Trust me, Wall Street will reinvent itself. Anyone betting against that is going to turn out VERY wrong. Yes, it'll take awhile but it WILL happen. The Japanese banks are already plotting the next move.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 31, 2008 3:06 PM
actually wrks in finance -
You are right - to an extent - this time is different in that this insane bubble will not return anytime soon and the follow-on jobs either BUT Wall Street (i.e. financial services inc. banks) will return as it ALWAYS does just likely not as large or as lucrative.
and BTW if you're a regulatory attorney on Wall Street the bonus train should be stopping by your station - maybe not to let off millions but if you are any good you should be well well into the six figures
Posted by: fsrg at December 31, 2008 3:14 PM
A toast to Edward L. Glaeser (with a nod to Sebb for posting).
Good luck to all in 2009.
Posted by: BoerumHill at December 31, 2008 3:14 PM
Dave,
How long has Japan been down?
I suppose on a long enough time line we could again have a robust public investment banking system that supports hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs. However, that will not be in the next 5 years. Add to that the reality that the last boom was completely illusory and not "robust" in the post WWII industrial juggernaut way.
I think it was Michael Lewis in his excellent Portfolio article "The End" who said approximately "Meridith Whitney's call was damaging not because it said that bankers were greedy, it was damaging because it proved that bankers were stupid and incompetent to manage their own money, much less the public's money."
Posted by: actually works in finance at December 31, 2008 3:20 PM
denton : Assault weapons can be bought there are many who are running out to buy them as we speak. the law against them expired a few years ago.
Posted by: sebb at December 31, 2008 3:29 PM
fsrg,
I do get bonus, not as much as when I was at the bank, just not a high percentage of my overall comp.
I am glad that you know how much I make. I am very good at what I do.
Posted by: actually works in finance at December 31, 2008 3:38 PM
"...predictions for the Brooklyn real estate market...?"
Multiple lis pendens in "Prime" Clinton Hill.
***Bid half off peak comps***
Posted by: Brownstones Half Off at December 31, 2008 5:18 PM
And with that:
Happy New Year to All!!! And to All, a Good Night!!!
This year I predict we will not see any My Kitchen's Easily-Stained White Marble Countertop Is Cooler Than Your Kitchen's Countertop features...I think I'm pretty safe with that predictions.
As to predicting the decrease in pricetags on houses in FortNYC...I have no idea but fear a bloodbath if the economy eventually collapses...but then nothing will be worth anything except the food we can scrounge...and if that's the case, it was nice knowing you...
I predict I'm going to convince the husband unit to go for a full renovation of the top floor into a full floor bathroom with multiple tubs for those bubble bath parties we were talking about a week or so ago.
To finance it, we can rent the space out for functions. It just might turn into a recession-proof business!!!
Hahahahahaaa...
PS Apparently TowhouseLady is keeping track...not just the UPS "Man" who knows your guilty pleasures... Now what is TownhouseLady doing in all these poshest of area so late at night... ;-) That points to some other guilty pleasures--Heeheeheeheee
See way above:
"In Brenda's defense I used to see MANY boxes from HSN and QVC curbside on recycling night in the poshest areas of Brooklyn.
It's the guilty pleasure only your UPS Man knows about!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at December 31, 2008 11:54 AM"
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at December 31, 2008 7:36 PM
Predictions? Barbera Cocorean and all her Real Estate Bokers will go back to being waitresses. Rents will come down to 700-800 dollars a floor. Families will return back to Brooklyn to raise their children. Affordible stores will sell products we need and want. Places of worship will go back to being places of worship and not condo's . Happy New Year to all! Greedy Landlords too
Posted by: hannible at December 31, 2008 7:39 PM
I tend to look at the now. I posted a job for $10.00 an hour helping to make furniture and home decor from old wood. Up here that's a standard pay for art or grad students looking to earn extra income. We got 20 replies and some were from construction workers with 10-20 years experience. That is the reality of the economy. No work, no ability to afford a house, no housing sales and on and on. The numbers all lie. Retail sales were down 5%. What bull crap. Someone left out the zero. You don't go chapter 11 and close major outlets with a 5% decline in sales. We are down about 20% and feel fortunate. Small businesses are closing daily. Just look on Craigslist for store fixtures for sale. That is the barometer. As for NYC real estate. It has the direction of gravity for now. I predict two years with a new pres. in office before a meaningful turn around.
Posted by: Iknow at December 31, 2008 8:25 PM
My predictions...
The Stock Market will rally because there are some retards with trading accounts and do not understand the word "risk". They will be a period of "Feel Good" from the Obama Inauguration and every Asshat will be glad that Bush is gone. Then..
We find out that all the Banks are insolvent and The US Treasury is the lender of the last resort. Governments around the nation will have to raise taxes or go Bankrupt! In NYC Bloomberg (Yes he will be re-elected) will put a hiring freeze on Fireman and Cops. The last time this happen NYC was a Hell Hole with Mayor Beame.
The Good Old days of the 70's and 80's will start to appear and some of the Asshats will start to flee (Go long on U-Haul). Gas is 1.79 a Gallon and that make living in Suburbia fun again! The "Gentrification" movement will come to a screeching halt because Josh and Megan is 1. Getting rob 2. The Trust Fund was vaporized in the MAB implosion and will have to back to work the farm.
Next the Bond Market is going to have an Aneurysm! The Treasury will have a auction and the world will tell us to "Get Bent". When this happens, yields are going to the moon! How much is that house in Asshat Hill at 14% interest rate?
Last but not lease this October will be the big one. After this period in time, there will be no more doubt about the condition of our fraudulent financial system. This sad thing about this is we could've stop this crap a long time ago but everyone believe the lie.
Buh Bye Asshats, nice knowing ya.....
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at January 1, 2009 2:00 AM
Oh Return of the What how can yields go to 14 percent if our wonderful government has locked rates at 4.5 percent for the next 30 years and it is never never going to raise inerest rates ever again. Only fools pay cash. How else can we all buy those multi million dollar brownstones in Carroll Gardens with minimum wage? Who is going to support our local Starbucts? If interest rates go up no one will be able to buy coffee and lunch on credit. You gotta belive in the lie too or else rows of Brownstones will be sold at auction prices. We will go back to plant our Victory Gardens
Posted by: hannible at January 1, 2009 9:15 AM
The What, you might need this in October.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/ready/hurricane_guide.shtml
Posted by: IMBY at January 1, 2009 9:31 AM
I think that the economy slowing will make white people less prone to invade our neighborhoods and force us out.
Now, you white liberals feel real good about yourselves because you voted for Obama, but when the smoke clears, you will be left with me (Hispanic), and African-Americans.
Those of you who can no longer afford the private schools will cut bait and flee to the white hills to keep their little darlings away from us. To those I say good riddance.
Those who are forced to remain will have happier lives when they stop trying to force us out, and dictating our lifestyles. Really, stop being such self serving, holier than thou phoneys, and we really can get along.
Posted by: Demander of Respect at January 1, 2009 9:41 AM
I usually find The What the best thing about this site so I'll dedicate this prediction to him. A hypnotist hypnotized a bunch of people and brought them into the future. He asked them what New York looks like in 2009 and this is what he said.
http://blip.tv/?file_type=flv;sort=date;date=;id=1306413;s=file
The When
Posted by: winsloddd at January 1, 2009 1:35 PM
Whether you think things will go to shit in 2009 and believe it will be your worst year or you believe it will be your best yet....either way ... you are right.
Posted by: Aussie at January 1, 2009 4:23 PM
ha! demander i too cannot stomach the phony white liberals, but whites simply outnumber every other racial group, so can't see them all living. anyway, don't hate on whites, waste of energy, and not everyone is holier than tho.
my prediction is that everyone will refinance like crazy. probably next week.
Posted by: wine lover at January 3, 2009 1:00 AM

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