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November 10, 2008

Universal Church Almost Ready, Still Ugly

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Cleanliness mat be next to Godliness, but apparently good design is not. (At least not any more. In former times, religion was obviously a great sponsor of inspiring architecture.) We first spotted signs of this $12 million project by the Universal Church a couple of years ago. At the time, we said, "Frankly, we can't see why the area needs a new church when beautiful old churches like St. Bartholomew are having such a difficult time remaining solvent." On the upside, though, perhaps the presence of a religious institution will help clean up this corner of Classon and Fulton which has been plagued by a variety of sinners for years.
Development Watch: Universal Church at 1091 Fulton [Brownstoner] GMAP
Another Church on Fulton (As If It Needs One) [Brownstoner] DOB




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Do they cash checks as well? Looks like a bank to me.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 10, 2008 10:52 AM

what the hell is a "universal church?"
-r

Posted by: PitbullNYC at November 10, 2008 11:01 AM

THL--that would be handy. Confessions and deposits!

Posted by: wasder at November 10, 2008 11:02 AM

You wait on line hand over a deposit ticket and they hand you a wafer.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 10, 2008 11:05 AM

PitBull...anyone with money in their pocket can attend.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 10, 2008 11:07 AM

From Wikipedia:

Unitarian Universalism (UUism) is a theologically liberal religion characterized by its support for a "free and responsible search for truth and meaning." Unitarian Universalists do not share a creed; rather, they are unified by their shared search for spiritual growth. Unitarian Universalists draw on many different theological sources and have a wide range of beliefs and practices.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 10, 2008 11:21 AM

Years ago I was in Provincetown during Easter and wanted to go to a church for the music and all the pomp. I went to the Unitarian church. The woman pastor was wearing a beanie cap with a propeller. All the congregation hats were weird, there was no music and then there was this open forum for anyone to comment and it was all "Bush bashing."

What a letdown when all I wanted was some pomp & circumstance.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 10, 2008 11:26 AM

THL - this doesn't look like a unitarian universalist church to me. unitarianism is a very distinct religion, and they wouldn't be likely to have a "jesus christ is lord" banner at the top of one of their buildings.

Posted by: i disagree at November 10, 2008 11:26 AM

good point

Posted by: TownhouseLady at November 10, 2008 11:30 AM

Sounds like one of these crock prosperity churches:

"When you are a child of God you must afford to buy yourself the car of your dreams, the house of your dreams... In the same way that Abraham, Jacob and Job were prosperous you too must be prosperous."

- http://www.stopsuffering.org/lun.html

Posted by: SnarkSlope at November 10, 2008 11:32 AM

Sacred spaces have always been built for reasons other than the worship of the gods or God. The temples of Rome were built to impress the people of the Empire with its might, as much as the might of the gods. St. Peter's Basilica shows, very impressively, God's might and power intrinsically tied to the considerable might and power of the Catholic Church. Chartres and Notre Dame convey the power of faith to an illiterate peasantry needing proof of God's majesty in a dark age, and the solid Victorian comfort of St. Bartholomew's in Crown Heights, is a symbol of a comfortable, upper middle class Christianity, where quiet beauty is not disturbed by a vulgarity of excess.

The undeniable fact is that all are extremely beautiful in different ways, expressing the genius, and depth, of man's quest for the beauty and the Divine. Places of worship have been the successful laboratories and galleries for most of the architectural, engineering and fine arts innovations and masterpieces in Western Civilization's history. (As you can tell, I really love sacred spaces.)

Sadly, the sacred spaces of most fundamentalist and evangelic faiths, of all religions, is not concerned with beauty on this earth. Their purpose in gathering is to solidify their beliefs amongst themselves, and to bring in converts and raise cash. They pride themselves on a simplicity and utilitarianism, and lack of worldly distractions. Personally, I find that another reason to run screaming away from any religion that rigid. To me, the evidence of a magnificent God who created the intricacies of the universe is manifested in the beauty of man's creation: in the incredible detail of an ancient mosque, the flying buttresses of a medieval cathedral, the enormity of scale of St. Peter's and the quiet peace of a New England church.

There may be a reason the best was done in a simpler age, without the distractions of technology or the fast pace of modern life. This building gets the job done, it shelters their operation, holds their worshippers, and does not detract with worldy frou-frou. It is better than a car filled lot, or a crack house. It is not a bad thing, but it certainly doesn't inspire. Too bad.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at November 10, 2008 11:37 AM

Yikes...thank god, I'm a sinner!!

Posted by: bayridgegirl at November 10, 2008 11:45 AM

BRG...I see QOTD again!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 10, 2008 12:12 PM

traditional religions are full of failures, and i understand the idea that one shows his respect for god through respect of his physical self. but the message of some of these megachurch religions that outward signs of excessive prosperity (clothing, cars, technology, homes) are proof of or even requirements of "blessedness" is really, really disgusting. the history of religious architecture is complex, but when we look back 30 or 50 years from now, the assessment of these and other megachurches will look more like the examination of mcmansions and big-box stores than anything else.

Posted by: i disagree at November 10, 2008 12:13 PM

Montrose;

Nice post, which is more than I can say for Brownstoner's commentary on the matter.

I found the following comment from Brownstoner to be an eye-opener:"Frankly, we can't see why the area needs a new church when beautiful old churches like St. Bartholomew are having such a difficult time remaining solvent."

In other words, the doctrine of the church and the manner in which it expresses that faith via the building's archtecture is quite irrelevant. In Brownstoner's eyes, it seems their main function is to prop up buildings that he deems pleasing to his sensibility.

Yeah, according to Brownstoner, the congregants of the Universal Church should have called up the Diocese of Brooklyn, and told them that they should hand over the keys of St. Bart's to them, so as to preserve the building for the enjoyment of folks who have no interest in either faith. Good grief, can you be any more dismissive of organized religion than this!!!

I also find it amusing that Brownstoner states that there are too many churches in the area. I am curious to see if Brownstoner has ever remarked that there are too many condominiums, chi-chi shops or cafes in an area. Hey, that would come close to biting the hand that feeds you. That might take real journalistic guts.

Posted by: benson at November 10, 2008 12:18 PM

'BRG...I see QOTD again!!!'

Yes, DIBS...and we can spend all day and over 100 posts debating how much of a sinner I am :)

Posted by: bayridgegirl at November 10, 2008 12:21 PM

Bring it, BRG!

Posted by: SnarkSlope at November 10, 2008 12:26 PM

Its the walmartization of god, he's handy and available in a non-threatening generic gray building that you feel comfortable in, whose message can change with the economic climate, and which one could convert into a Duane Reade if necessary.

Posted by: dittoburg at November 10, 2008 12:51 PM

"...and only the good die young."

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 10, 2008 12:56 PM

He who is without sin cast the first stone.

Posted by: iluvclintonhill at November 10, 2008 12:59 PM

'Bring it, BRG!'

Let thy words by few - Ecclesiastes 5:2

Posted by: bayridgegirl at November 10, 2008 1:04 PM

For everyone who didn't major in comparative religion:

Universal Church: http://www.universalchurch.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Church_of_the_Kingdom_of_God

Unitarian Universalist Association: http://www.uua.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism

Universal Life Church: http://www.ulc.net
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church

Three very different faiths. This is a Universal Church.

Posted by: serpentor at November 10, 2008 1:07 PM

Religion is such a scam, Clearly if I wanted to fleece and take advantage of those less fortunate I should have became an ordained minister.

I would have said Catholic priest, but I don't like little boys.

Posted by: Xander Crews at November 10, 2008 1:41 PM

Speaking of that corner, it looks like there was a fire at the building on the South East corner of Classon and Fulton, the one with the grocery store/bodega in the picture, on the upstairs floor and the back side of the building. Was that the methadone clinic, and if so, is it closed and/or planning to reopen?

Posted by: 1842 at November 10, 2008 1:44 PM

MMM.. yummy Methadone.

Posted by: Xander Crews at November 10, 2008 4:54 PM

Beautifully said, Montrose. DaveinBedStuy, sorry you stumbled into a Unitarian beanie-wearing Bush-bash when what you needed was high-church Episcopalian. (I would say Roman Catholic, but my club isn't terribly reliable anymore; we can't even build churches right anymore, we've been making them look like bowling alleys for about 40 years now.) And as for why a new church doesn't simply take over an old one, well--denominations are about culture as much as theology (one feeds the other). The lush physicality of a typical neo-Gothic Roman Catholic church would offend the sensibilities of a low-church (no offense, they really use that 'high/low' term) Protestant or Evangelical. You go far enough into Evangelical land, and they think we Papists are the whore of Babylon for our fancy digs. ;}

Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at November 10, 2008 5:05 PM

So true, Brenda. Many years ago, I sat next to someone on the B26 bus to Bed Stuy who was a member of the Pentacostal Elim Church, which took over a large, ornate Catholic Church on the Clinton Hill/BS border. She was trying to preach to me, and me, trying to be nice and make conversation, I said I had never been inside, and being me, see above, asked about the interior architecture.

"Oh, it's nice in there now", she said. "The first thing we did is pull down all of the idols, and bring the church back to Jesus." Being raised Catholic, I decided to change the subject for the rest of my ride. Who knows what they did in there. Low church, indeed.

BTW, St. Bart's, mentioned above, is classic high church Anglican/Episcopalian. Bells and smells. (That's full blown chanted mass, with processions, inscense, and lots of music.) There's something to be said for ritual and ceremony in a chaotic world. Not for everyone, I know, but I'm quite fond of it.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at November 10, 2008 5:30 PM

Montrose;

Now I know why we sometimes share the same sensibilities, even though at the same time we are on opposite sides of an issue. I'm RC too, and am big on ritual and ceremony - something I think the Church needs to reinvigorate.

Posted by: benson at November 10, 2008 7:06 PM

Thanks, Benson, although twenty years ago, I went over to the dark side, and became an Episcopalian, to the disappointment of some family members. As a veteran, and guitar playing participant of 70's Catholic folk masses, which were a great idea at the time, I understand the need for the formal ritual and ceremony, as well as a need for relating to people where they are.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at November 11, 2008 12:59 AM

That's bringing back memories of some Sundays in the 70's on which my family would leave the house too late to attend mass at our own church, which was traditional and formal with "bells and smells". So my parents would grudgingly drive across town to the only other RC church in our small town, a 70's folksy place with the ultra modern, stylized cross over the altar and guitars and flutes. We hated it! So funny.

Posted by: traditionalmod at November 11, 2008 11:15 AM

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