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November 18, 2008
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Doesn't it seem like prices have only dropped on places you don't want? Or, the places you want haven't seen price drops anywhere near what you expect? It's possible that the desirable places will never be "cheap". Barring divorce, death, relocation, unemployment, etc... the people who own these "better" places may just decide to stay where they are. Of course, there will always be crap for sale, but in NYC, even that's expensive. Still. There may be "buyers" renting for 10+ years looking for a good deal.
by broadwayron in Cheap Today, Cheaper Tomorrow?
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It does seem like it's mostly brokers slashing prices on condos people didn't really want to begin with and/or overpriced-from-the-start townhouses in bad locations or in crappy condition.
My plan is to buy cheap crap and make it nice. I don't think I'm ever going to be able to afford something that's nice right from the start, even if the market comes down on the highly desirable places.
Posted by: cwbuecheler at November 18, 2008 3:41 PM
I couldn't agree more. Just look at where the foreclosures are happening ! Bad neighborhoods ! You wouldn't want to live there anyway.
Posted by: brownie77 at November 18, 2008 4:12 PM
Patience. In 2 years you can probably buy wherever you want at a decent price, and condos will be going for $100K like they should be. Right now people are either in over their heads and trying to get out at what they are in there for (plus the real estate commission), or else they are in complete denial - just like the government-speak. All this "if we are actually in a recession" talk just makes people think that free money and sub-prime borrowing standards will be back in a couple months, jobs will correct themselves by Valentines day, and everything will be peachy by Spring Break. I still laugh every time I read one of the reports where they say "If we are in a recession..." Are we in a recession? Just look around. If we aren't, God help us once we are. I predict in 2 years, when there are more foreclosures on the market than you can count, unemployment is at 10%, unions have been squashed, Wall-street is dead, and banks only lend to the 720's and up who have 20%-30% down with no more than 36% DTI ratios, and interest is up in the 9's and 10's, you will see the old New York coming back - and all that encompasses. In some ways it won't be a bad thing to have houses at normal prices with real lending standards in place again. Even at normal prices, some people will still not be able to buy a house, but then again contrary to the Clinton era logic, not everyone should own a house. Renting will still be an option for them, just like it has been for centuries. And for those who bought high, hopefully you will continue to have good fortune and enjoy your house and not need to sell it until you are back into an equity position. Kinda sucks that you paid twice or even three times what you house is now going to be worth, but hey - I bought tech stocks in the 90's and look where they went. As for now though, you won't really see prices drop until reality sets in. That hasn't happened yet.
Posted by: williamsburgguy at November 18, 2008 4:13 PM
Prices in Blue chip nabes are not going to go very far down. Townhomes in BoCoCa ,Bklyn Heights , Park slope and the other good nabes are not going anywhere. Nobody took out sub prime loans in those areas. They will continue to hold there value.
Posted by: sebb at November 18, 2008 4:35 PM
New construction prices dropping in those blue chip areas will pull the rest down, I predict. There's too much inventory that no one can afford, and most of it isn't worth what it's priced at.
Posted by: Heather at November 18, 2008 4:57 PM
Good things come to those who wait. RE is slow. We're just coming off the top. It's not the stock market. You expect 25% price drops within 24 hours? 30 days? 1 quarter? Keep the cameras rolling. We're nowhere near the end of the shoot. When the bear finally says "it's a wrap" (2 years, 3 years, 5 years from now???), play it back in fast motion and indeed you will see a catastrophic crash (all 'hoods).
Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at November 18, 2008 5:11 PM
"Just look at where the foreclosures are happening..."
The boom started from the good areas and worked its way to the bad ones. The bust will do the reverse. It's a boomerang.
Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at November 18, 2008 5:12 PM
there was an inflationary aspect to many parts of this economy as a result of general affluance.
I agree that good neighborhoods will weather the downturn better than bad ones. However, price increases of 20% per year werent sustainable. Too many houses doubled in price between 2003 and 2007.
If you go back to the data from 2000 as a basis, then add on appreciation of 3-10% per year, it seems like you have a logical valuation in traditionally solid neighborhoods.
Some neighborhoods deserve a premium based upon a changes within the neighborhood in the last 8 years. Ft Green, Dumbo, Crown Heights North, ditmas park, and Prospect Heights come to mind as neighborhoods that are far more desirable now than they used to be.
As an extreme example, the houses on the same block as 474 Greene gained at least 5% over the weekend due to the fire of a neighborhood blight.
Posted by: slick at November 18, 2008 5:15 PM
blight be gone! real estate is local right?
Posted by: dittoburg at November 18, 2008 5:19 PM
"ROTW uses the same language as the unscrupulous "block-buster" real-estate agents who operated so effectively in NYC during the "white flight" days of the 60's. They peddled fear, and bought homes on the cheap from those who fled. He fails to understand that this is a different era. He may be trying to do the same thing, as there are runmours that he is a real estate agent. Pay no attention to him."
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at November 18, 2008 6:45 PM
interest rates are low but when the rest of world (China) stops buying our debt (Treasury, Fannie & Freddie crap), interest rates will have to rise ... when interest rise, home prices will fall no matter how good the hood is!
no new taxes , no spending cuts, but like magic we have $700,000,000,000 to bailout wallstreet
Posted by: ZooLander at November 18, 2008 7:27 PM
cwbeucheler - not everything new is crap at all. you can always bring an inspector in. if you find a good deal, do this. decorating is relatively inexpensive and that, along with built-ins and storage can transform a boring space.
Posted by: wine lover at November 18, 2008 8:46 PM
I am certainly seeing prices coming down on just the kinds of properties I *am* interested in. If you follow listings closely as I do, you will see major cuts just starting to happen even in prime neighborhoods. I've already mentioned on other days 300-400K chops within the last few weeks on very prime PS townhouses - hardly "new crap". This really is just the beginning. Yes, prime neighborhoods will weather the storm a bit better (they generally do) but they are far from immune. Prices just went up too far, too fast, and now must come down across the board.
Posted by: Miss Muffett at November 18, 2008 9:19 PM
williamsburgguy -- war, plague, loss of humor - all sound like legitimate reasons for fear. but real estate? come on! let's all get a grip. let's take a deep breath, and then try to exhale some positive thinking for a change. one... deep breath in... hold... and out... two... deep breath in...
and for "The What"... you sound just like "The What The Heck R U Going On About" - what's your runmour, man?
Posted by: softlayer1 at November 19, 2008 1:24 AM
"Prices just went up too far, too fast, and now must come down across the board."
What is your definition of "now"?
Who determines how far prices "must" drop? How do you even know that the majority of sellers even need to sell? Maybe the majority of them are just screwing with potential buyers to piss them off.
Posted by: broadwayron at November 19, 2008 10:41 AM

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