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November 18, 2008
Tonight: Crow Hill Reaching for Landmark Status

Why is Crow Hill, a swath of Crown Heights running roughly between Franklin and Classon and Atlantic and Eastern Parkway, called Crow Hill? Well, even folks at the Crow Hill Community Association aren't sure, but they aim to find out, as part of their attempt to gauge interest in landmarking the area. One reason for the landmark status: the neighborhood is sandwiched between Crown Heights North, already landmarked, and Prospect Heights, which is up for the designation, leaving it "very vulnerable to development," says Nina Meledandri, who handles public relations for CHCA. They'll meet to tonight to discuss the endeavor at 7:30PM at the Haitian American Daycare Center: 1491 Bedford Avenue at St. John's.
Photo by ...neene....
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I've never been here, but it sure is cute.
Posted by: new2hood at November 18, 2008 11:34 AM
Never been either, but those are cool-looking row houses. I'm all for preserving them.
Posted by: cwbuecheler at November 18, 2008 11:48 AM
Did you just learn the word, What? How absolutely childish.
I'm disappointed you haven't learned anything in your sojourn in the wilderness of being banned.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at November 18, 2008 11:53 AM
Actually, Community Board 8 Housing and ULURP had a study commissioned of the building stock in its district. One of its preliminary findings was that Crow Hill as a neighborhood between what is now called Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights has architecture is of similar note and quality. As such, it should be similarly worthy of consideratin for landmarking.
Posted by: BrooklynIsHome at November 18, 2008 11:54 AM
Back in the late 1800's the area now known as Crown Heights was actually a crow sanctuary and it's terrain was on a hill compared to the south and north of the area. That is how the name Crow Hill originated.
Posted by: commonsense at November 18, 2008 11:56 AM
MM...I was going to comment but figured Mr. B would delete that post. The What's on his way out again.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at November 18, 2008 11:57 AM
ROTW uses the same language as the unscrupulous "block-buster" real-estate agents who operated so effectively in NYC during the "white flight" days of the 60's. They peddled fear, and bought homes on the cheap from those who fled. He fails to understand that this is a different era. He may be trying to do the same thing, as there are runmours that he is a real estate agent. Pay no attention to him.
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at November 18, 2008 12:02 PM
Back to Crow Hill, there are a couple of reasons for the name. One is that this part of CH sits on the highest part of the Heights of Crown Heights, at Eastern Parkway and Bedford Ave. I remember reading something about a lot of crows in the area, hence the name. Less charitable sources also point to an African American community in the area, not nearby Weekesville, btw, that gave rise to the perjorative nickname.
This area is worthy, worthy, worthy of designation. It is a unique combination of fine blocks of row houses in all kinds of styles and materials, some excellent churches and hospital buildings, as well as a unique collection of commercial buildings, from the warehouse complex on Franklin and Bergen and Dean, often mentioned here, the renovated Studebaker Building, already a stand alone landmark, as well as other automobile showrooms dating from when the area was automobile showroom heaven, and the original Loemann's store, with its Chinese dragon theme and peacock stained glass windows. There are also some excellent apartment buildings in the area as well.
There is no doubting this area's worthiness to be protected, especially since some blocks are industrial and underbuilt, and would be ripe for overdevelopment. Landmarking would still allow for building, just not crap building. I wish Neene, whom I know and respect, well. Her group is working hard, and have the support and help of her neighbors next door in Crown Heights North.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at November 18, 2008 12:08 PM
Hey What;
I see that you have now descended into the realm of plagiarism too.
For everyone's info: the comment that What posts at 12.02 PM is actually mine. You can see that I made this comment at 10.25 this morning under the "Tuesday Links" section.
Once again What: we see through your game. New York may be in for some tough times, but we are not scared by your fear- mongering. Your pathetic attempts to be a "block-buster" are apparent and amateurish.
Please try to find a way in which you can contribute to society. Your 15 minutes of fame are over.
Posted by: benson at November 18, 2008 12:27 PM
MM: This area covers the warehouse building at the northwest corner of Franklin and Bergen, correct? I love that building and hate to think that someone is going to get it, tear it down and build something fugly. I wish them good luck.
Hmmmm. You can't landmark the Franklin Avenue shuttle stop at Park Place, can you? Don't want to lose another one of those stations. (I love the Franklion Avenue shuttle!)
Posted by: 11233 at November 18, 2008 12:59 PM
I think it would be possible to landmark a subway stop, I think it's been done before in Manhattan,11233. The Park Place building isn't original, but they may be able to landmark anything that is left, like some original light fixtures on the route. See Kevin Walsh's site, Forgotten New York for a whole feature on the shuttle. It's fascinating. I would think landmarking the shuttle would be a separate affair, but it would be worth it. I really like the shuttle, too, and it would be a shame to lose it.
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SUBWAYS/Franklin%20Ave%20station/franklin.html
I believe the old Heinz warehouse is on the list. The current owners just wrote in recently on Brownstoner regarding plans to turn it into a residential/commercial complex, keeping as much of the historic detail and facade as possible.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at November 18, 2008 1:16 PM
Oooooo. Thank you, MM!
Posted by: 11233 at November 18, 2008 1:22 PM
"ROTW uses the same language as the unscrupulous "block-buster" real-estate agents who operated so effectively in NYC during the "white flight" days of the 60's. They peddled fear, and bought homes on the cheap from those who fled. He fails to understand that this is a different era. He may be trying to do the same thing, as there are runmours that he is a real estate agent. Pay no attention to him."
"I believe the old Heinz warehouse is on the list. The current owners just wrote in recently on Brownstoner regarding plans to turn it into a residential/commercial complex, keeping as much of the historic detail and facade as possible."
Moist? MM..
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: Return of The What at November 18, 2008 1:45 PM
Benson, I wouldn't worry. Blockbusting won't happen (and wouldn't have happened) unless crime really got out of control.
That certainly may happen, but fear mongering simply won't work until then.
Posted by: Polemicist at November 18, 2008 1:45 PM
Honestly, I would rather that what be allowed to post. He clearly lacks social skills, but some of us would like to hear what he has to say nonetheless.
By all means, ignore him; disagree with him; criticize his grammar; speculate about his motives; or insult his parentage, but let him post.
Posted by: slick at November 18, 2008 4:07 PM
I want a walking tour, ASAP, of all the places Mr. Morris refers to. This would be a great way to push the case for landmarking!!! Crow Hill walking tour NOW!
Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at November 18, 2008 4:21 PM
It is commonly believed that the area currently known as Crown Heights was originally known as "Crow Hill" or "Crow Heights" and the name slowly changed and an "N" was added. Either way,whats not to like?
Posted by: sjtmd at November 18, 2008 4:31 PM
I second Brenda's call. A Montrose tour now!
Posted by: benson at November 18, 2008 4:42 PM
Polemicist: block-busting went on long before crime got out of control. It had more to do with racism at first, not crime.
Benson: You are the most quoted person of the day. I think you hit the nail right on the head. Good job.
Posted by: 11233 at November 18, 2008 5:49 PM
"Why is Crow Hill, a swath of Crown Heights running roughly between Franklin and Classon and Atlantic and Eastern Parkway, called Crow Hill?"
I think there is an error here. I think "Crow Hill" is between Franklin and Bedford.
Look at the map.
http://www.crowhillcommunity.org/
The photo of Row Houses does not look like any of the streets between Franklin and Classon.
Posted by: theandrewlee at November 18, 2008 8:59 PM
As an active member of Crow Hill Community Association I have come across many versions of how Crow Hill got its name from the aforementioned premise that Crow Hill was really part of Weeksville to the theory that all of Crown Heights was once called Crow Hill and the switch in names was to make the real estate more appealing.
Other sources cite:
from http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=469096&highlight=#469096:
In 1877, the Brooklyn, Flatbush and Coney Island Railway was incorporated, opening the next year in 1878. It originally ran from the Prospect Park entrance at Flatbush and Ocean Avenues south to the Brighton Beach Hotel, built near the water's edge. The BF&CI wanted to find a way to get its trains closer to downtown Brooklyn. Since a route through Prospect Park was impossible in this pre-subway era, it was decided to build a tremch through the hill at Crown Heights (then known as Crow Hill) and run the line below grade, connecting with the Long Island Rail Road tracks at Atlantic Avenue.
from http://www.schwarzgallery.com/index.php?page=painting&modifier=detail&painting=1046:
Crow Hill was formerly a district in northeast Brooklyn that extended from the hills east of Prospect Park to East New York. According to tradition, it was named after the largest hill in the area, which was infested with crows. An article published in the Brooklyn Eagle in 1873, however, speculated that the area was named for a settlement established during the 1830s by blacks who were then colloquially known as “crows.”1 These impoverished people lived in shanties on Crow Hill, and worked in Manhattan’s meat and fish markets. In 1846 the Kings County Penitentiary was built on top of the hill, and it may be the large structure visible at the far right of Crow Hill. The Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts owns six of Fussell’s views of Crow Hill, four of which represent dilapidated but picturesque shanties similar to the one in Crow Hill, Shantytown. The neighborhood was gentrified during the early twentieth century and renamed Crown Heights.
from http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Town/TheNeighborhood.html:
CROWN HEIGHTS: Formerly called Crow Hill, and was the site of a prison. It was a quiet, sparsely populated settlement in the original Dutch town of Breukelen. Once home to Ebbet's Field, Brooklyn Dodgers from 1912 through 1957. Crow Hill was its pre-prohibition name. When it was Dutch farmland, it was believed to have been called Crow Hill after its tallest hill, whose trees were always filled with crows. Then again that name could have come from the mid-1800’s when there were African and African American settlements there, and the whites called them ‘crows’. A third story has it that the ‘crows’ were inmates in the Kings County Penitentiary that was there from 1846 to 1907.
from http://www.brooklyn.net/neighborhoods/crown_heights.html:
From the (1939) WPA Guide to New York City:
Crown Heights, for the most part a lower middle-class residential area, lies on both sides of the ridge of Eastern Parkway. The section was known as Crow Hill until 1916, when Crown Street was cut through.
Of course as part of our LPC application process we will endeavor to come up with the closest historically based version of how Crow Hill got it's name.
and yes, our official boundaries are between Franklin & Bedford, however our landmarking effort is extending out both to Classon and Rogers to encompass the entire area suggested to CB8 as per the map on our website: http://www.crowhillcommunity.org/landmarks.shtml
Posted by: neene at November 18, 2008 11:26 PM
Anytime, Brenda and Benson. I'm always happy to show anyone my community.
theandrewlee, you are correct, in terms of the Crow Hill Association map, but the landmarking would extend beyond that narrow swatch, and most people generally fill in the entire area between the border of Prospect Hts, at Classon, and the border of Crown Heights North, at Bedford, as Crow Hill. It's only 4 blocks wide, after all.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at November 19, 2008 12:06 AM

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