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October 28, 2008
Renters Love Obama
Turns out that Obama escape clause in condo contracts might not be necessary, since the percentage of renters is going up (to 32.2 percent from 30.9 percent according to an Apartments.com survey). And renters, it seems, are planning to make Obama their president. "One week away from casting their ballots, renters surveyed revealed that nearly 60 percent are backing Barack Obama for president and the top issue on their minds is the national economy," reads a press release that landed in our inbox. "John McCain received 23 percent of renters’ votes followed by 9 percent who preferred not to answer the question and 6 percent who are undecided."
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I hope no one believes that this is a surprise!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 28, 2008 10:45 AM
I don't get it. What does Obama have to do with rent? If he is elected, rents will not be effected. Or am I missing something?
Posted by: troll at October 28, 2008 10:46 AM
Im sure every renter will vote someone in who, if in office, will insure all rents will not be Effected!
Seriously though, if Obama made rent tax deductible he'd get all the renters on his team.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 28, 2008 10:50 AM
Gimmie a break. If anyone believes that the election will somehow have a direct effect on rents by either controlling them or making them tax deductible, you are in some kind of netherworld.
I hate to say this because its obvious; apparently not to some of the posters, but renters would pretty much make up a large portion (in the cities) of lower and middle class incomes. The top 80-90% of the population!!!!
However, I'm sure this survey is urban centric and doesn't take into consideration the large number of lower & middle class homeowners across the country.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 28, 2008 10:56 AM
DIBS, was the word top in the last sentence of your penultimate paragraph a freudian slip?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 28, 2008 10:59 AM
Mind in the gutter ditto!!! Come on, this is serious stuff here.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 28, 2008 11:01 AM
i usually like your articles lisa but this is just i dont even know how to describe it. in other news renters prefer bananas to apples 60 % to 40. in any case this POOR (not really bitter about it tho) renter does not support him. nor do i support mccain. hate politics which is why i waste my day on blogs like this.
-rob
Posted by: PitbullNYC at October 28, 2008 11:42 AM
Where is this survey? The link is to the front page of apartments.com. I don't see any survey there. You might actually want to link to the subject of your post.
Posted by: Carol Gardens at October 28, 2008 12:00 PM
sorry, carol, it came to us as a press release. they might not have it on the apartments.com site. Maybe it will show up here later today: http://www.apartments.com/PressRoom/pressroom08.htm
Posted by: lisa at October 28, 2008 12:20 PM
In addition to DIBS' obvious observation, here's another: most people (according to polls) are voting for Obama. So yeah, that means most renters -- and probably most home-owners, too. And most hairdressers, most plumbers, most people with heart disease, most people who own cars, etc. etc.
Posted by: Kris at October 28, 2008 12:32 PM
most republicans
Posted by: dittoburg at October 28, 2008 12:33 PM
How can any sentient being be "undecided" at this stage? the difference between the two candidates could not be starker.
Posted by: cmu at October 28, 2008 1:09 PM
Alas, I think the dirty McCain-Palin scare tactics are giving some voters pause - I urge all Obama supporters to hit the phones to phone canvas for Obama since a human voice really can counteract the robocalls, slimy emails, etc. that many undecideds are getting barraged with! I do think Obama can win, but I can tell you that the Obama campaign is not the slightest bit complacent - they still need all the help they can get! If you're interested in volunteering (phone canvasing is easy and can be done from your home), just go to mybarackobama.com....
Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 28, 2008 1:46 PM
well yeah but the difference being, how it might affect you later. i truly believe either of them are going to make a truly horrific leader for the next 4 years :( for people of all walks of life.
-r
Posted by: PitbullNYC at October 28, 2008 1:46 PM
I do agree PitbullNYC, however these are dangerous times. While Democrats, especially the older ones, will try to gradually impose more social control upon us - as things become more desperate, the radical wing will undoubtedly push for expediency.
No republic in history has withstood the majority of the people becoming financially dependent upon the government. When we reach that point, which Obama's Plan for America clearly spells out, revolution and/or open rebellion will begin. Application of military force is a certainty when that happens.
Now, I don't believe for a minute your typical hate spewing liberal has what it takes to pacify any part of this nation where people refuse to participate in their schemes - but they will try. Once that happens, it's all over. Washington will have lost its legitimacy to rule. Then, the real fun begins.
Posted by: Polemicist at October 28, 2008 2:15 PM
Muffett,
If McCain pulls off a surprise victory, it will be one of the happiest days of my life.
Millions of former Hillary supporters like myself can't wait to go out and vote for McCain.
That said, I'd still put my money on Obama winning due to the bad economy and voters prompensity to blame the incumbent party, but I suspect the polls are underestimating former Hillary supporters like myself who are dead set against his tax and waste agenda. . . particularly on the verge of a major Depression.
A year from now, when many of your friends have lost their jobs due to Obama's increased taxation of big business in order to pay for his "promises," if this website still exists, you'll be posting anti-Obama rantings instead.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 28, 2008 2:20 PM
"I'd still put my money on Obama winning due to the bad economy and voters prompensity to blame the incumbent party"
Ok, IronBalls, so whom exactly should we be blaming for the mess that's been snowballing for the last 8 years?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 2:29 PM
Polemicist - I know that reality is an acquired taste, but you should really consider trying it.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 28, 2008 2:30 PM
Hilary fans for McCain - very few will make that switch in these times, very few, mark my words, IronBalls. Go back to reading your Economist - which I do not believe you actually read because I read it last week and NOTHING you spew even remotely resembles what they talked about.
Please go do something useful.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 28, 2008 2:36 PM
SnarkSlope:
Not a particularly creative or snarky comment. The world I described is reality for the vast majority of the human inhabitants of this planet. What reality are YOU living in?
Oh, the one where you think the US is no different than everywhere else in the world?
Good luck with that.
Posted by: Polemicist at October 28, 2008 2:59 PM
Thanks, Poley. Good luck not contradicting your argument next time.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 28, 2008 3:21 PM
Biff,
The mortgage backed security/banking fiasco that has crushed our economy has nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with bad policies created years before he took office.
Sure Bush went along for the ride, but so did almost every Democrat and Republican in congress.
As an aside, I'm sure you're aware Obama bought his "dream house" in Chicago after he hit the jackpot with his second book. His excuse for purchasing the lot next next door for hundreds of thousands below market value from Rezko's wife was that "he was a first time home buyer and didn't completely understand the proper buying process."
Go to Youtube and you can find the interview where he gives that excuse.
Electing an idiot who didn't "understand the home buying process" just a few years ago to be "the one" to steer our country out of its current predicament is completely nuts.
Everyone will realize the emperor has no clothes eventually, but unfortunately not soon enough to keep him from the Oval Office.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 28, 2008 3:39 PM
IronBalls, even if we for a moment ignore "The mortgage backed security/banking fiasco that has crushed our economy", there are many other things the Bush administration has directly done over the past 8 years to financially and morally bankrupt this nation. Do you really think voting for McCain, who voted with Bush 100% of the time in 2008 and 95% of the time in 2007 is less nuts? Are you ready for Sarah to step in if she has to?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 3:52 PM
Cobbler,
Of course I read the Economist. Do I believe everything I read? Of course not.
If I did, I'd be a zombie Obamabot like the rest of you.
"He's so handsome and articulate Did you see how much the Germans loved him!"
What a load of crap. Why not just give the land back to the indians and commit suicide?
Posted by: IronBalls at October 28, 2008 3:53 PM
Yeah, we don't need an "idiot" like Obama. We need someone who has the brain power of our current leader. His quotes are like Maxwell House coffee - good to the last drop:
"This thaw -- took a while to thaw, it's going to take a while to unthaw."
--George W. Bush, on liquidity in the markets, Alexandria, La., Oct. 20, 2008
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 3:59 PM
Biff,
First of all, McCain is one of the most independent senators in congress. He clearly has a record of bucking his party despite your parroting of his campaign slogans to the uneducated masses.
I'm not happy about the war in Iraq either, but McCain is no more at fault for the war than any other Democrat or Republican in congress . . . almost every one of whom voted to authorize the war. McCain was not a member of the Bush administration despite the endless bullshit repeated over and over by Obama.
McCain never has gotten along with Bush, has disagreed with him on many issues, and every educated non-brainwashed citizen knows it. If anything, as I'm sure you know, McCain should be given credit by members of both parties for pushing the surge strategy late last year that has helped a lot.
Regarding Palin, in my opinion, though I disagree with all the right wing religious crap, she's just as qualified as Obama to be president. Executive experience is far more applicable to the presidency that voting up or down on a bill and then going home.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 28, 2008 4:07 PM
90 seconds in the microwave on unthaw should do the trick.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 28, 2008 4:07 PM
IronBalls, I'm not parroting the campaign slogans, I'm repeating the facts. How much proof do you want? I'll start with this.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 4:11 PM
Factcheck proves that both candidates twist words to gain support.
Come on Biff, Obama and McCain are equally guilty of stretching the truth.
Unfortunately, Obama has been far more successful at it.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 28, 2008 4:16 PM
IronBalls, why don't you try now to justify your statement in light of the evidence of McCain's consistently voting with Bush over the past few years?
To remind you what you said, "First of all, McCain is one of the most independent senators in congress. He clearly has a record of bucking his party despite your parroting of his campaign slogans to the uneducated masses."
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 4:21 PM
Biff,
What specific votes are you referring to?
Please be specific and stop parroting Obama's campaign rhetoric like a zombie.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 28, 2008 4:25 PM
What?? How is it campaign rhetoric when it's coming from the Congressional Quarterly's Voting Studies? IronBalls, your level of denial is frightening. Talk about ignoring the truth and spreading lies.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 4:38 PM
IronBalls, here is McCain's voting record. I would isolate and name the differences I have with him, but since that would cover almost every one of his positions, it would be redundant. As for which of his votes are the same as Bush's: as discussed, every one in 2008 was and 95% in 2007 were. And he's voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. Some maverick!
http://www.ontheissues.org/john_mccain.htm
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 5:00 PM
Biff,
You can't even name one vote McCain and Bush both voted for, other than Iraq, which everybody voted for, that was a bad vote.
I don't want to read more Obama campaign bs.
If you want to prove your point, you're going to have to cite specific examples. As I said before, parroting Obama campaign slogans doesn't make the lies true.
You don't realize you're not thinking for yourself.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 28, 2008 5:15 PM
IronBalls, I've cited more than I should have even bothered for you, actually giving you a link to every one of McCain's votes. But using Palin logic, you're answering me with an attack rather than a logical argument back.
I'm thinking for the both of us since you're still avoiding justifying your statement that "McCain is one of the most independent senators in congress. He clearly has a record of bucking his party". Can you think for yourself as I ask you again how you can make that claim when INDEPENDENT sources like the ones I've provided prove you are clearly wrong?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 5:25 PM
Since you can't defend your position IronBalls, I'll give you not one, but three similar significant positions McCain and Bush share.
* On Iraq, both McCain and Bush resist timetables for withdrawal and say troops need to stay as long as necessary. It's possible the cost could reach $1-trillion over the next 10 years, but that estimate also includes troops in Afghanistan.
* On tax cuts for millionaires, both Bush and McCain want to keep in place tax rates set to expire that have reduced the tax burden for millionaires. Also, both men are millionaires.
* On universal health care, neither Bush nor McCain favor any kind of health care system that would require people to participate and cover everyone.
I'm done. At least one of us answered the other's question.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 5:32 PM
1) Timetables are an idiotic way to win a war (aka timetable = defeat)
2) I'm for low taxes for everybody, rich and poor alike . . .
3) Obama's health care proposal is simply another tax on businesses that will cost millions of jobs if its implemented. He still hasn't even specified how much of a tax he plans to charge (see-through gutter campaign trick).
I'm a Democrat, and I agree strongly with all three issues.
You're leaning towards socialism, dude.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 28, 2008 5:40 PM
IronBalls, I do lean towards socialism, so at least you got one thing right. I've said before I support higher taxes and universal health care and other initiatives that mirror the Canadian paradigm. I don't claim Obama's the be all and end all, but he's a strong step in the right direction.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 5:43 PM
And besides, I didn't begin by trying to make this into a debate between you and me on the issues: there are many things we disagree on and that wasn't the point. I called you on your claim that "McCain is one of the most independent senators in congress. He clearly has a record of bucking his party": a claim that you still have yet to justify. Keep avoiding the issue; it's like watching Palin debating.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 28, 2008 5:46 PM
I love how people throw around the word "socialism" like they think Trotsky willl crawl out of the grave and make us all pray at Lenin's grave. (Full disclosure: Trotsky is known as the Bronx Boy who made good. for those of you who subscribe to the McCain/Palin campaign technique, I suppose I have not "outed" myself as a fellow born in the Bronxite and obviously an enemy of America. You betcha!)
McCain has loved the label of Maverick far more than he loves living it. A glance at the changes he has made to pander to the conservative right, and his complete lack of ethics in how he runs his campaign has sent many moderate and even conservative republicans over to Obama. If that doesn't tell you something I can't think what does.
I love biff for having the guts to say he leans toward socialism. Something else the GOP has twisted out of recognition- now anything that is for the greater good of the country is labelled "socialism." Next thing you know, biff and i will be accused of marching in Red Square, burning our flag.
"Now, I don't believe for a minute your typical hate spewing liberal has what it takes to pacify any part of this nation where people refuse to participate in their schemes - but they will try." I love when poley comments. It's difficult to find someone so misguided and so truly incompetent at rational thought. (the what could rant and rave, but there was actual thinking in there) It's obvious poley hasn't been keeping up with the hate spewing. Unfortunately it's well documented that it is coming from the right. the same right that has been trying to foist the religious fundamentalist agenda on the rest of us. want to talk about imposing social control? take a look at the pro-life movement in all its glory and you'll see the beginnings of social control the likes of which you find in life under the Taliban.
and this topic, how renters will vote for Obama, gets my "stupid topic of the year" award. We'll vote for who we think will do the best job for our country. yes, shock! renters care about things like that as opposed to deciding everything based on our lease.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 28, 2008 6:33 PM
Why would renters want to vote for Obama?
simple answer: they think they will get something for nothing, which is pretty much what is driving the "spread the wealth" campaign that Obama is waging.
Read my lips; Socialism does not work. It's been tried time and again, it does not work.
Why?
Because socialism is based on the idea of striving towards mediocrity. It penalizes exceptionalism and rewards sloth. Why should I attempt to better my lot if it will only go towards that moron down the street belching on his back deck all day? Multiply that by 300 million and you begin to see why the USSR collapsed under it's own weight.
Why I won't vote for Obama:
1. He's a lawyer. lawyers don't lead, they strategize for gain and create nothing.
2. He has catapulted himself to prominence in one of the most blatant power hungry trajectories in recent history. He won the Illinois Senate seat because the Republican in the lead dropped out (some kind of sex scandal, ie; he was caught having sex). Obama then decided to go for broke after 143 days in the Senate, and run for the Presidency. Having no great legislative record to speak of.
3. Obama has stated that he is for redefining the role of the constituion in our lives. Listen to the recently released 2001 interview in which he basically states that the constitution does not do enough to define what the government is supposed to give you. Hey, last I checked, the less government in my life the better and the constitution was meant to define and lay out the foundations of our liberty not our neediness . Then again, I'm not looking for a sugar daddy government. Many are.
4. Obama's great economic plan is basically to give those that don't pay taxes some kind of refund, amounting to about 500 -1,000 dollars (despite the fact that Bush's 1200 dollar giveaway did nothing for the economy). He then follow's this up with an assault on the "evildoers" that are the businessmen and corporations of America, by increasing taxes. Everyone knows what this leads to; less hiring, more firings, less growth, decreased production and decreased GDP. which leads to increased unemployment, decreased wages and a general bad economy. a la Carter 1978.
5. Obama has played every side of every issue with the skill of a three card monty dealer. I guess the far left missed that part of the debates where Biden finally admitted that they are both against Gay marriage. But who knew, there was so much obfuscation going on.
6.Obama has shown two instances of poor judgement in the past year. He voted against the surge, instead opting to vote for an ignomious retreat and defeat in Iraq. Then he vacillated on the aggression Putin showed towards Georgia. He basically tried to ascribe blame to both sides. While Georgia is clearly on our side and awaiting admittance into NATO.
7.Obama is for abortion without restrictions, no questions asked. Does anyone who has seen a 3-dimensional sonogram of an 8 month old fetus in the womb, really have the audacity to say that it is anything less than a human being in there smiling at you? this is a harsh but sober reality. As science further elucidates the life and development of the fetus, it becomes more and more apparent that the issue of abortion will one day be seen in the same light as torture or slavery. It's not about denying women the right to determine what happens to their bodies, it is about coming to terms with what is being done to the living being inside and having a responsible debate about the implications of terminating that life.
8.Obama has been less than honest about his lifelong affiliations with "radical" ideologues like William Ayers, shady characters like Rezco and the influence of Reverend Wright whom we have all heard using anti-american, over the type rhetoric to play to his audience. I understand the need to fill the seats at the church, but whatever happened to good old faith in God?
9.Obama's plan for healthcare is not a viable option; it seeks to mandate medical coverage for all at huge taxpayer expense and major bureaucratic growth of the government. Now we've all seen how the government (dems and repubs) have handled natural disaster, corporate/wall street oversight and the inevitable bankruptcy of social security. What makes us think that handing over the 2 Trillion a year healthcare industry to government oversight will fare any better. No, the private sector is the answer.
10.Obama lacks experience. Perhaps in 4 or 8 years.
Posted by: Legion at October 28, 2008 9:51 PM
Legion: it is absurd to call Obama a socialist. All he wants to do is roll back the radical Bush tax cuts, but that hardly qualifies as socialism. And to look at the economic policies of Bush, they clearly have not worked either - ironically, we are now closer to "socialism" than we ever have been with a practical nationalization of our economy. I'm not saying Obama is perfect, but he's a hell of a lot better than the alternative. McCain bears no resemblance to the man he was pre-2000 - he's totally sold out in the most cynical, disappointing way, and the devastating, reckless Palin pick is only the most glaring manifestation of that.
Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 28, 2008 11:17 PM
Why would renters want to vote for Obama?
simple answer: they think they will get something for nothing,"
Oh right- like the CEOs on wall street, and the mortgage holders and the homeowners who bought houses they couldn't afford. right.
"He has catapulted himself to prominence in one of the most blatant power hungry trajectories in recent history. "
And when McCain stupidly asked Sarah Palin if she wanted to be VP, she claimed she didn't even blink. and don't give me the "executive experience" argument. She has neither the education or intellect to run this country. Can we say "Power mad?"
"He then follow's this up with an assault on the "evildoers" that are the businessmen and corporations of America, by increasing taxes." Everyone knows what this leads to; less hiring, more firings, less growth, decreased production and decreased GDP. which leads to increased unemployment, decreased wages and a general bad economy."
Ohhh.....you mean a bad economy like the one we have now courtesy of the Bush administration and deregulation? The economy like the one we have now where taxpayers have to BAIL OUT Wall st. and banks, while their CEOs still get to go to spas?
" I guess the far left missed that part of the debates where Biden finally admitted that they are both against Gay marriage. But who knew, there was so much obfuscation going on."
Obfuscation in your mind- Obama has been upfront front about this issue- you just haven't been paying attention.
"Obama has shown two instances of poor judgement in the past year. He voted against the surge, instead opting to vote for an ignomious retreat and defeat in Iraq. Then he vacillated on the aggression Putin showed towards Georgia. He basically tried to ascribe blame to both sides. While Georgia is clearly on our side and awaiting admittance into NATO." The surge worked sort of and for many reasons. Maybe you enjoy sending young soldiers off to die in Iraq- where we should never have been- but some of us think that we need to get out and let the Iraqis have their country back. We shouldn't have been there and we can't afford it. should we run this country further into the ground militarily, financially and morally because Bush's ego demands "Mission Accomplished." If that's defeat, we did it to ourselves. And there are many in government who say that Georgia is the country at fault.
"Obama is for abortion without restrictions, no questions asked. Does anyone who has seen a 3-dimensional sonogram of an 8 month old fetus in the womb, really have the audacity to say that it is anything less than a human being in there smiling at you?"
Oh please- give us a break and write the truth. No one, not even in law, allows you to abort an 8 month fetus. Jeez- where do you get this stuff?
" It's not about denying women the right to determine what happens to their bodies," Wrong- this is exactly what it is.
"Obama has been less than honest about his lifelong affiliations with "radical" ideologues like William Ayers, shady characters like Rezco and the influence of Reverend Wright whom we have all heard using anti-American, over the type rhetoric to play to his audience."
"Lifelong?" You must have gotten this from the Sarah Palin How to be a Liar and Political Moron Workbook. Once again, half truths, lies and just plain ignoring facts will not win anyone to your side. Why don't you try a little fact checking instead of swallowing all that pablum the GOP is shoving down you credulous gullet? As for Wright- there is quite a list of white reverends, whose support Mccain sought, that are well known for their anti-semitism and racism. Not to mention those who think we deserved to be attacked on 9-11 for supporting gay rights (Robertson and Falwell). Or didn't you think that was anti-American?
"Obama's plan for healthcare is not a viable option" Gee- according to many healthcare experts and economists it does a much better job than McCain's idea.
"Obama lacks experience." But unlike McCain/Palin he doesn't lack vision, brains, understanding, capability or ethics.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 29, 2008 12:18 AM
Bxgrl...while Obama might not have sat in Rev Wright's church for all his life, he was there for a good twenty years. I don't think McCain has ever attended services in any of the churches that you mention.
Posted by: pjsubway at October 29, 2008 8:23 AM
pjsubway- so what? How many presidents counted Robertson and Falwell and the Grahams as their friends and "advisors?" I guess it's ok to say the things they did because they are white? I don't profess to know much about Black Liberation theology, but Rev. Wright's anger at America is rhetorical. I find it less offensive than the ranting of evangelicals or fundamentalists who sit in church every Sunday denouncing "unbelievers" with great glee and praying we all go to hell.Google Falwell and Robertson for their comments the day after 9-11. You don't get more anti American than that.
I also want to point out that unlike all of those guys- with the exception of Robertson (who spent his time in Korea serving liquor at the Officer's club)- none served in the military. Wright is a decorated former Marine and Navy man who served as a cardiac medic to LBJ, the President. Seems to me he had very high-level security clearance to do that.
So riddle me this- how come supposedly America hating Wright serves his country and is angered by the way Black people have been treated in this country, and says so- gets raked over the coals while people are still making excuses for Billy graham long after he and Nixon had their lovely little taped discussion about Jews? Tell me how a man who spent years building his church and its programs that actually helped his community is being used as a battering ram against Obama, while all those big, glossy haired white preachers rake in piles of money for their big houses and mercedes and overwrought fancy "compounds" get a free pass from everyone.
give me a Reverend Wright any day over those useless hypocrites.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 29, 2008 9:48 AM
bxgrl,
here's some reality. abortions are occurring at late stages. In fact it was one such abortion that occurred in Illinois that has made Obama famous. In this case, a late term abortion was performed, the child survived somehow and was delivered, alive. it only survived about an hour. it lead to a bill in the Illinois senate to provide care for babies that survive botched abortions. Obama voted no. Don't believe me? look it up. If you dare. in addition, there are doctors out there, I believe in a clinic in Missouri for one, where late term abortions are performed, yes 8 months included. don't believe me, look it up. Hey, I'm not some right wing fundamentalist here. I'm just giving you the facts. You obviously don't like them.
next, mccain, never sat for 20 years in a church which dessiminated hatred against this nation. Obama did. he even had that reverend marry him. don't believe me? look it up. just the facts.
as far a Bush's role in this economy, there is clear print and video evidence of an attempt by the bush administration and republican senators to reign in the out of control mortgage lending practices of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. circa 2003 and 2005. McCain was one of those who sought tighter regulation (by the way, deregulation started in the 80's and ran through the Clinton administration).
Efforts by republicans in the senate banking committee and assigned oversight regulators were met by a stiff lambasting by dems like Schumer, Dodd, Frank and Waters. members of the black congressional caucus all but cried racism as the reason for the bill in a time of abudant prosperity. don't believe me? look it up. Bottom line, both parties are to blame. at least Bush tried, as he tried to bring up the Social Security debate but was quickly shot down. we will be having that conversation here in about 5-10 years as we approach the projected bankruptcy date of 2017. Don't believe me? look it up.
I could go on, but what is the use. bxgrl has made up her mind and so be it. just remember this, you are entitled to your own opinion, just not your own facts.
Posted by: Legion at October 29, 2008 6:10 PM
Bxgrl, there's no way I would defend Robertson or Falwell either. Truth be told, I was hoping for an election contest between Clinton and Giuliani just so I wouldn't have to listen to any religious nuttiness. Please don't use Billy Graham's words with Nixon to prove any points...Rev Wright's buddy Louis Farrakhan has said much worse, more recently.
Posted by: pjsubway at October 30, 2008 8:25 AM

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