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October 10, 2008

Open House Picks: Price Cut Edition

houseProspect Heights
287 Park Place
Corcoran
Sunday 2-4
$2,195,000 $1,999,000
GMAP P*Shark

houseBoerum Hill
150 Bond Street
CBHK
Sunday 12-4
$2,495,000 $2,375,000 $2,295,000 $2,195,000 $2,095,000 $1,995,000
GMAP P*Shark

houseWindsor Terrace
247 Windsor Place
Brooklyn Properties
Sunday 12-2
$1,250,000 $1,150,000
GMAP P*Shark

houseVictorian Flatbush
2117 Albemarle Terrace
Brown Harris Stevens
Sunday 2-4:30
$979,000 $945,000
GMAP P*Shark




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Some reality sneaking into the asking prices.

Posted by: dittoburg at October 10, 2008 1:10 PM

I like the visual effect of the "crossouts!!"

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 10, 2008 1:10 PM

What's the deal with listing Albemare AGAIN? We went through this a few weeks ago, when you also presented this property as a "weekly pick." For those who missed that discussion, let me summarize: the guy paid $450 about two years ago, when the market was at its height. What do you think he should be getting now, given the state of the economy, housing market, location of the property, and its condition? And they talk about greed on Wall St...

Posted by: househunt at October 10, 2008 1:15 PM

househunt...Seller is Broker on that one. it'll never be realistically priced.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 10, 2008 1:19 PM

Really Dave? But if the seller is the broker, then he should be offering it at an even more tempting price, since nothing goes to the broker. Like I said, greedy!

Posted by: househunt at October 10, 2008 1:22 PM

My prediction. House on Abermarle sells between 650 and 750. House in WT sells for between 800 and 900.

Posted by: ks8000 at October 10, 2008 1:24 PM

That actually brings up a good question househunt. Since he's using the broker as the listing agent, what kind of fee does he have to pay? Do brokers allow their agents free use of the listing service for their personal property(s)?

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 10, 2008 1:24 PM

If I had the money, I'd buy the Bond Street place and just finish it as 3 big rooms. That would be fun. And very manhattan loft.

Posted by: tybur6 at October 10, 2008 1:25 PM

The interior of the Albermarle home is pretty nice-looking. I wonder what shape it was in when he bought it.

Posted by: cwbuecheler at October 10, 2008 1:33 PM

tyburg: four words: Move to Los Angeles.

Posted by: sam at October 10, 2008 1:34 PM

cw...it had been occuppied by an old fat rich white guy. :)

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 10, 2008 1:35 PM

Sam - it was a joke. I actually thought it funny that they didn't show the inside to highlight the clean slate, ready to go condition.

Posted by: tybur6 at October 10, 2008 1:36 PM

so bond st. down 20 percent. that's a pretty big cut for a prime spot.

Posted by: travy at October 10, 2008 1:40 PM

Bond St is a tough comparison...it's a big place with those three garages, the latter very hard to value in Brooklyn other than by per month cashflow. And, it's gutted. It'll be really attractive to some "car fag" or more politically correct "gearhead" like myself. Where could you find a property like that in brooklyn to store your '36 Auburn, '68 442 and '53 Chevy P/U????

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 10, 2008 1:45 PM

Dave even that broker seller will be forced to face reality soon on Albemarle house. As you know brokers are even more prone to be affected by harsh economic times since their incomes are based on sales commissions...lovely house still.

ks8000 we agree Albemarle needs to be priced around $600 to $650 max and that Windsor terrace place is simply laughable..ugly exterior and priced with copious amounts of grandiosity...fair offer is $850K.
Bond St place is by far the best deal given the excellent location, lots of space plus garage, and nice facade. Still need further cuts though we are afraid....
Wow the party is indeed OVER even in New York!!!

Posted by: pierre de taille at October 10, 2008 1:46 PM

DIBS - Touché :)

It's a pretty house. If it was still going for 450, I'd rather interested. I like the neighborhood.

Posted by: cwbuecheler at October 10, 2008 1:50 PM

The problem with Albemarle Terrace (like Kenmore Terrace a block over) is that its a pretty little english style mews, but surrounded by big, horrible apartment blocks on the main streets.

Posted by: tybur6 at October 10, 2008 1:52 PM

On Bond St, I wonder what position the brick work was "reappointed" to? Community Board maybe?

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 10, 2008 2:04 PM

Well, I must say, this is starting to feel like vindication for those diehard brokers/owners who insisted NYC prices could never come down much... and this is just the beginning. While this may sound gleeful, I am actually cautiously hopeful that there will just be a correction (which I would like, since I personally could buy a more affordable property, and others I know can get into the market since they were previously priced out), and not an all-out free-fall collapse (since this could really hurt the city as a whole and as resident of the city, I'd be worried for all of us - think 70s, crime increases, etc.). I do, however, think prices have a lot farther to drop, given the unbelievable run-up of the last decade.

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 10, 2008 2:14 PM

I love the 'crossouts', also.

Here's what I think these houses will sell for.

Park Place - 4 more crossouts
Bond Street - 9 more cross outs
Windsor Place - 3 more crossouts
Albermarle - 3 more crossouts

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 10, 2008 2:17 PM

The Prospect Heights house is the pick of the litter. The asking needs to drop though, given the climate, maybe 1.5 or 1.6 will do the trick.
Tyberg, glad to hear you were kidding. Some people buy these great old houses and gut them to make them look like lofts.


Posted by: sam at October 10, 2008 2:18 PM

Yes Sam, while I disagree with your strong stance on the Fort Greene "topper," I fully EXPECT historic properties to be treated with respect.

Actually, in general... historic or otherwise... I hate cheapness in architecture. Making a loft out of a brownstone is crazy. I don't mind "non-contextual" design if it has a purpose. e.g., modernist architecture inserted in a historic block etc. What I can't stand is the crap cinder block and yellow brick veneer vomited all over Brooklyn. Bad design is one thing and forgiveable... But that quick buck developer/builder crap is just cheap building that has nothing to do with design and/or architecture. (And to clarify, inexpensive and cheap are not synonyms. A renovation can be done inexpensively - relatively speaking in this crazy city - but come out great as long as it's done with purpose and not just a "get it done" sensibility.)

Now, if someone bought the Bond Street place and the inside ended up being "plain." Well, that's OK - as long as it doesn't preclude future "restoration" to an interior more in keeping with it shell. A proper build out of this interior could be a $1 million or more... and take a very long time. So one may want to actually move in somewhat quickly and/or doesn't have any extra million bucks lying around.


Posted by: tybur6 at October 10, 2008 2:33 PM

Reappointed. What a great eggcorn.
DIBS, aren't you fed up with everyone using the Precedent as an escape goat?

Posted by: dittoburg at October 10, 2008 2:33 PM

oops, as i was typing...

Albemarle Terrace looks like a nice place, though I'd have to see the area. But I don't think it matters since we purchased a 2 bedroom coop in Park Slope in 2005 and it's probably not worth what we paid for it and we'd need the money from the sale to put down on the next place. Guess we are going to be hanging out here a while!

Posted by: wishinone at October 10, 2008 3:02 PM

miss muffett: if you're really not gleeful, why are you talking about "vindication"? (by the way, i assume you mean its vindication for diehard buyers like you, not the "brokers/owners.")

Posted by: i disagree at October 10, 2008 3:07 PM

Miss Muffet: Didn't you benefit from the run up? Do you feel bad that you sold your property to someone who is now under water or are you just so painfully selfish and self-centered that you just don't care?

Posted by: 11233 at October 10, 2008 3:18 PM

"I disagree" - I feel vindicated since I've had conversations with brokers about their pricing strategies as the market highs have looked increasingly unsustainable and a few have looked at me as if I have 3 heads and *I* was the deluded one. I don't hide my self-interest in my posts, since obviously, as someone in the market to buy, I would of course like to get a good deal so I'd welcome a significant correction, but I am sincere when I say that I don't want a total meltdown since that would be bad for everyone, myself included.

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 10, 2008 3:27 PM

11233 - we priced below market value at the time - so much so that we got many offers over ask and sold almost instantly. Now, if we had held out for a higher price, and/or pulled the kinds of tricks some sellers did at the peak (i.e. going with one buyer and then dropping them when another higher bidder came along), then yes, I would feel badly. But the people who bought our place really wanted our place and to this day, feel like they got a good deal (I'm friendly with them). Will the value go down? Probably. Am I glad I sold? Yes. But do I feel badly - no, because at the time I sold, there was no way to know for sure what would happen. In fact, I even felt seller's remorse pretty intensely since I loved the place and given how fast it sold, I indeed wondered it was priced too low. But I knew better than to be greedy, and I truly feel that our transaction was one where both parties felt they benefited fairly given what was known at the time of the sale. And, as for what is happening now, we simply lucked out that we cashed out when we did - but that's only just starting to be apparent since NYC prices were holding strong up until recently.

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 10, 2008 3:35 PM

so you are gleeful about the current state of things because they're good for you. but you just don't want it to get too bad cuz that would be less good for you.

now i must say that i feel vindicated since, after weeks and weeks of reading your tortured attempts to insist that you're not simply consumed by your own self-interest, you're finally admitting that you are.

Posted by: i disagree at October 10, 2008 3:40 PM

Miss Muffett...you needn't apologize. i bought my place in Bed Stuy in May 2007 and paid top tic except maybe for those two limestones down the street that sold this year. I'm very friendly with the seller. i've had her and her boyfriend over for dinner. I can probably still sell mine for what I paid for but I couldn't recoup the extra money that I put into it to make it just how I wanted it...new ensuite huge master bath, deck, landscaped yard.

I and many other homeowners who bought "at the top" have places that are homes that we love.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 10, 2008 3:42 PM

P.S. 11233 - as to claiming the buyers of my place are "under water" - I know for a fact they plan to stay there for a long time, so their losses due to softening market will be on paper only. (In fact, I think this "under water" argument is specious for many homeowners who plan to stay for a long time.) I should also point out that they are currently living in a much nicer place than I am (we opted for a modest rental in our school zone of choice to get our kids in a good school while saving for a place we could stay in life-long). So, no, I truly don't feel badly. I do hope the buyers don't find themselves unemployed, but that is not so much about my culpability as someone who benefited from the run-up (and I've never denied I did), as it is about broader economic factors.

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 10, 2008 3:43 PM

Do you think we will be using Euro-dollars next year?
G'bye George Washington, hello Goethe!

Or do you think we will be reverting back to a barter economy? What do New Yorkers even have to barter? Just to be on the safe side I'm going to pick up some backyard livestock this weekend. Chickens, guinea fowl, a piglet, and a goat.

Posted by: sam at October 10, 2008 3:47 PM

I saw 287 Park Pl. It shows really beautifully, but it is for the true brownstone traditionalist. A lot of original details that felt overwhelming. I hear they are willing to listen to offers. What do you think of that area?

Posted by: boroughbred at October 10, 2008 4:06 PM

I grow my own tomatoes sam. I've got onions that I can lay up in the basement for the winter. If things get really, really bad we can eat tree bark like they do in North korea.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 10, 2008 4:36 PM

Corcoran has a listing just around the corner from the Windsor Place house for a lot less!
Seems like a much better deal....am going to check it out next week, will report back.

http://corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&ListingID=1407110&ohDat=10/12/2008%2012:00:00%20AM;


Posted by: AnneReal123 at October 10, 2008 4:37 PM

anne, that place looks straight from the 70's. come to think of it, those terrible photographs look like they were shot in the 70's.

Posted by: z at October 10, 2008 4:51 PM

p.s. posting a corcoran link in your first comment to this site smells fishy to me.

Posted by: z at October 10, 2008 4:52 PM

that corcoran place is overpriced too - albeit its getting closer than the the house on windsor. still...in the next few weeks they will be lucky to get 900k. And they should take it and run!

Posted by: ks8000 at October 10, 2008 4:55 PM

The Park Place block is great. it is close to the trains, the park, GAP, and Park Slope. Vanderbilt has a nice selection of restaurants, shops, bars etc. for staying in the neighborhood.

Posted by: mimi at October 10, 2008 5:21 PM

p.p.s. people that are really interested in buying a property don't post a link to it in an attempt to solicit competition.

Posted by: parrotgirl at October 10, 2008 6:42 PM

I noticed on Craigslist recently there were a few multi-family homes were the owners were willing to take a mortgage. I wonder if this might be sign of things to come . Given the difficulties in the short and likely long term jumbo mortgage market, maybe homeowners are going to start playing banker if they want to sell their properties.

Posted by: rdl1972 at October 10, 2008 7:01 PM

EVERYTHING IS OVERPRICEDDDDD.

Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at October 10, 2008 9:38 PM

Of course these ordinary working-class houses should not be worth millions. I have been saying that for over a year. Very few people have actually paid millions for them. And they are the sorry ones now, let me tell you.
Thank goodness we can return to some sort of sanity in the Brooklyn Real estate market. This is Brooklyn, it is not Monte Carlo. What were you thinking?

Posted by: Inigo at October 10, 2008 9:57 PM

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