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October 14, 2008

Last Week's Biggest Sales: Closing Time at One BBP

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While we couldn't find the exact sizes of the Brooklyn Bridge Park units that sold, they're probably all over 2,000 square feet, given the average asking prices in the building.

1. Fort Greene $2,375,000
76 South Elliott Place GMAP (left)
3,200-sf, 3-fam townhouse was asking $2,795,000 when we had it as an Open House Pick in March. According to StreetEasy, the listing price was reduced to $2,395,000 before it sold. PropShark records say it last changed hands almost exactly a year ago, for $1,950,000. Deed recorded 10/9.

2. BROOKLYN HEIGHTS $2,350,000
One Brooklyn Bridge Park, Unit 636 GMAP (right)
One of several closings at 360 Furman over the past couple weeks. According to StreetEasy, the average listing in the building is a touch north of $1,000/sf. Deed recorded 10/7.

3. BROOKLYN HEIGHTS $2,275,000
One Brooklyn Bridge Park, Unit 436 GMAP
Deed recorded 10/6.

4. BROOKLYN HEIGHTS $2,075,000
One Brooklyn Bridge Park, Unit 629 GMAP
Deed recorded 10/9.

5.DUMBO $1,890,000
One Main Street, Unit 12K GMAP
1,414-sf unit in this record-breaking condo. Last sold for $1,150,000 in 2003. Deed recorded 10/8.

Photo of 76 South Elliott from Property Shark.




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If people think that these prices and transactions are unsustainable and will fall on a dime because of what happened in the stock market through October 10, they are crazy. The "market meltdown" and "end of the world" was already halfway through as these places were being recorded.

Apparently someone forgot to "run and tell the King" that the sky was falling.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 14, 2008 11:37 AM

people with money like to gamble. Prices could go up or they could sink like a rock.

600k is a big cut though.

Posted by: Santa at October 14, 2008 11:46 AM

Oh now you've gone and done it Dave...

I hear someone stirring on their tuffet as we speak.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 14, 2008 11:48 AM

We don't want anyone getting Goosey Loosy at the party tomorrow night THL. Don't start your wine drinking until you get there!!!! LOL

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 14, 2008 11:54 AM

Where is a 600K cut? Am I missing something?

The South Elliot Place sold for a little more than 400K under the initial asking price, but they MADE 400k in owning it for 12 months!!!

Sounds like a great deal, considering all of you say the top of the market was over 2 years ago.

Think about it...400K in one year.

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 11:58 AM

I think that's more than Paulson & Bernanke make.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 14, 2008 12:00 PM

I agree with Dave. Also what people are not understanding is that Inventory remains tight. That is the big factor here. It does not matter what these people ask for the homes . Then you see the closing goes for a few hundred thousand less and everyone on this board thinks the market is tanking not at all. My point is look at the price the guy paid and what he sold for that shows me prices have gone up. Not down .

Posted by: sebb at October 14, 2008 12:01 PM

I'm "crazy". These transactions and prices will not fall on a dime but they are unsustainable.

First, RE lags. It took a few years for the easy credit policy to inflate the housing bubble. It will take a few years for easy credit contraction to fully deflate prices.

Second, rather than some other sector(s) of the economy driving home price appreciation, it was the other way around. Home price appreciation drove all other sectors. Take that away, what's left?

Last, fear mirrors greed and history repeats. Price bottoms are always preceded by the consensus that "real estate is a bad investment". Then the market overshoots towards the downside. We're far from that stage.

I'm "crazy".

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 12:04 PM

Can someone explain to me the appeal of One Brooklyn Bridge Park?

I live a few blocks away and ventured down the other day to the explore. Yuck.

While I'm sure the units are beautiful inside, I don't get why anyone would pay so much to live right next to the BQE on a street with zero ameneties and zero charm.

They bill it is prime Brooklyn Heights real estate, but it's actually quite far from the Promenade, Montague Street, subway stations, etc.

I suppose if the park expansion really pans out that's something, but is everyone really just banking on that?

Posted by: alsawo at October 14, 2008 12:06 PM

"My point is look at the price the guy paid and what he sold for that shows me prices have gone up. Not down ."


Sure Sebb, but you also have to look at the year the person paid said price. By your logic, you can say that someone in 1976 paid 30K and sold in 2008 for 3 million, thus the market is going up.

Not everyone bought in 1976 though. There are MILLIONS of people who bought in the last couple years who will not be able to sell for a profit.

You don't seem to be able to look rationally at this and continue to say that no matter what prices are going up. While it makes sense for this particular Ft. Greene example, it does not for all. Take a look at the Mary Stuart Masterson house. With commission to her broker, she did in fact lose thousands of dollars.

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 12:09 PM

11217...

math was never a strong subject for me.

sebb..

also we have no idea how much money this guy put into his house after he paid 1.9 million for it. A 400k return after you've put alot of sweat and money into a place might not be that great. However he might have put no work at all into it.

Posted by: Santa at October 14, 2008 12:09 PM

DIBS, tomorrow's Wednesday. The party is Thursday. And you're accusing THL of starting drinking early? :-)

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 14, 2008 12:12 PM

Off topic:
Unfortunately I can't make it but if I did I assure you I wouldn't end up like this...

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1978/family-guy-cirrhosis-the-wonderdog#s-p59-sa-i1

On topic:
Prime real estate is called "prime" for a reason. Everyone wants it. Besides this is NYC there will always be a LOT of people with money here. You need to look further out to see any significant price drops.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 14, 2008 12:12 PM

Nice, encouraging, prices. It still remains to be seen, however, how the Brooklyn market will sustain itself as layoffs increase. There are still a lot of companies out there teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. The full effect of the meltdown won't be felt for months, even years.

Posted by: FatLenny at October 14, 2008 12:13 PM

I agree that inventory is tight, sebb. But, price movement lags economic health. The collapse is not a one-week or one-month or one-quarter event. It is a process on its own schedule. Defaults, unemployment, divorces (rampant tendency during recessions) and relocations are on a long term rise. Pressured and forced sales will dump properties and increase inventory significantly over time.

Taking snapshots is useless. Keep the cameras rolling.

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 12:13 PM

I do not understand the appeal of One Brooklyn Park either, but maybe rich euro trashites, clueless Manhattanites and empty nest surburbanites are its main victims???

Posted by: billyboomer at October 14, 2008 12:14 PM

Oooppppps. Yes, Thursday. I'm off to get a haircut now so I look my best for the ladies!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 14, 2008 12:15 PM

So that 450K is before agent fees, taxes, and cost put into the place. Still a good sum of money but more around 275K-300K. Which is good money, if you make it in a year.

Posted by: 7andfive at October 14, 2008 12:17 PM

"You need to look further out to see any significant price drops."

There are no significant price drops yet, anywhere. We're just getting started. The home price effects of this deepening and darkening recession will lag by years. You'll see.

Nowhere is immune.

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 12:20 PM

11217: 1976? they bought the place last year. Ask yourself this question. If you were a seller right now where would you move to? that is the question there are not many places to move to. NYC will do just fine.

Posted by: sebb at October 14, 2008 12:20 PM

"but maybe rich euro trashites, clueless Manhattanites and empty nest surburbanites are its main victims???"


And those are exactly who have allowed for the Brooklyn (and NYC) housing market to not implode over the past couple years like it has in the rest of the country.

Ever heard the saying..."don't bite the hand that feeds you"

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 12:22 PM

Billyboomer, I'm guessing by your name that you live in Williamsburg? Who exactly but "clueless Manhattanites" do you think have been buying all of the hideous garbage that's been slapped up in Williamsburg over the past 10 years?

Personally I'm glad they did as it's transformed much of Brooklyn into a livable place again, but you need to take a look around you dude.

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 12:24 PM

Yes, there are a lot of clueles Manhattanites like myself with huge gains in 1 & 2 bedroom condos that can come over and buy in Brooklyn with lots of change to spare. This is one of my favorite rants supporting Brooklyn prices to some degree over any other area. It's the quality of the housing stock (brownstones) and the fairly low inventory as compared to manhattan condos & coops.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 14, 2008 12:27 PM

Okay, but bickering aside, I'm honestly curious: what is it that makes One Brooklyn Bridge Park so appealing? Is a view really worth that much?

Posted by: alsawo at October 14, 2008 12:32 PM

Dave Manhattan also has a tight supply of brownstone townhouses, only 6000

Posted by: sebb at October 14, 2008 12:33 PM

These are kind of atypical listings by which to judge the strength of the market. But I m glad to see deeds recorded and units moving. The South Elliot place ended up getting "cut" but as 11217 the sellers still did quite well. Obviously will be interesting to see what similar houses go for in the next 6 months, reflecting the current climate.

Posted by: wasder at October 14, 2008 12:34 PM

I was just thinking 6000 is just one development in some Florida communities. NYC housing market tanking yea right.

Posted by: sebb at October 14, 2008 12:35 PM

You are ridiculous, Sebb.

Sorry, but you seriously must be a broker, because it's clear now that you are totally unable to think rationally when it comes to the real estate market. Either that, or you don't read the news.

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 12:40 PM

alsawo, in addition to the views (and nice apartments), I'm assuming many of the buyers are anticipating one day having a nice park at their doorstep and perhaps amenities in the area at some point once everyone moves in. Perhaps some buyers also like the idea of living in a building where everyone is relatively well off. But I agree with you; in terms of the area, it's just not for me at this point. I'm sure the vast majority of residents will have cars, but I prefer to be in a place where I can walk out the door and go to a shop, a bar, a park, a movie, etc. without getting into a car. Maybe that will come one day; but there's really nothing around at this point. And if any of the residents will be using public transit, I think they'll quickly grow tired of the walks up to Borough Hall.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 14, 2008 12:41 PM

and alsawo, what about the apartments with views of the BQE versus the East River and downtown? The appeal of those units is even harder to understand.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 14, 2008 12:44 PM

I am no way some scum broker or Agent I am just telling you like it is. Tell me When I am wrong and I will admit it. But please do not acuse me of being a low life Broker. I would rather be a Used car salesman. Naaa scratch that.

Posted by: sebb at October 14, 2008 12:47 PM

Thanks for your thoughts, Biff.

As someone who lives a few blocks away, I'd certainly welcome any retail additions to the neighborhood, but to be honest I just don't see it happening. And I'm honestly a little wary about the park as well. I hope for buyers' sakes they're not counting on these things.

I was wondering the same thing about the view-less units. I noticed a few going up as rentals (see the StreetEasy link on this post) for $2,700 to $2,900 but even that seems steep to me for the photos shown.

Posted by: alsawo at October 14, 2008 12:54 PM

i looked at the HOTD post for south elliot -- consensus seemed to be that it had an ikea-level renovation or redesign, however you want to put it. i am guessing it probably had $50K or so put into it, so that's still a tidy return for a year.

Posted by: i disagree at October 14, 2008 12:58 PM

alsawo, I too have my doubts about new retail options and restaurants in the near term and would be incredibly disappointed if the park does not come to fruition, but I'm bracing for the worst. Even for all of the development Dumbo has gone through, I've noticed a few restaurants open and close in a short time and there is still a lack of other amenties, particularly a decent (actually, any) grocery store. Even on the river side of OBBP, for all the great views, I would have to think, unless the windows are extremely sound proof, the noise of the helicopters, ship horns, etc. would eventually become annoying as well. Even in the middle of Brooklyn Heights these noises can often be heard (not to mention the fireworks, but I will say the views of those from the river facing units in OBBP would be incredible).

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 14, 2008 1:07 PM

ok - i definitely recall seeing rave reviews on this site for a house on willow street which is about a 20 second walk under the bqe from OBB. except that OBB will be even closer to the park (whenever that comes) with great views (mostly) and amenities. it's not that far off from what others would consider great parts of the heights.
as far as facing the bqe goes, 70 washington in dumbo is just as close, as well as many along the hicks street corridor, tiffany place, etc (i happen to live in one of them). if you're outside you hear it, no question.. but with good windows (which as per recent nytimes article OBB has) you don't hear a thing. and honestly, watching the lights on the bqe at night go around the curve is kind of cool.

Posted by: RobertMosesJr at October 14, 2008 1:09 PM

Sebb,

I have to wonder how you can have such distasteful words to describe brokers. You DO REALIZE that they are a significant factor in your idea that prices continue to go up. While creditors and sellers certainly played a major role in the latest housing boom, do you not realize the role that the real estate industry played in feeding into the notion of ever higher prices?

You despise them, yet they are literally the ONLY people right now in your camp. And even most brokers have now wised up and would have a hard time telling you in the eye that the real estate market in NYC is headed for a major downturn.

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 1:11 PM

That should say that most brokers would have a difficult time saying that the market isn't going down...

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 1:13 PM

RobertMosesJr, the comparisons you cite actually reinforce my opinion and serve as examples of other poorly situated apartments. 70 Washington's location is awful, in my opinion, as is anything on Tiffany Place and anywhere along the Hicks Street corridor.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 14, 2008 1:16 PM

I guess no one in brooklyn has any money, and I should be thankful to all the Manhattanites and Euro Trash who so touched the scum infested shores of brooklyn with their golden dollars and raised my property value up in the last 5 years for without them I would be living in The South Bronx of the 70's. Really god bless you all Now I can retire a millionare and let you suffer through the next 10 years of NYC late 80's crack whores and stagnant real estate prices like I did. Thank you for it is you the kings and queens of early 21st century Manhattan who sucked down the kool aid of Carrie Bradshaw and the Donald and ended up in Brooklyn where finally it only smells like your crap.

Posted by: billyboomer at October 14, 2008 1:18 PM

i guess you think sutton place is awful as well?

Posted by: RobertMosesJr at October 14, 2008 1:18 PM

RobertMosesJr,

Willow Street is a charming tree-lined block of brownstones. There might be some noise from the BQE, but aesthetically it's lovely and prime BH territory.

The location of OBBP, though just a few blocks from Willow Street, is worlds different. It's in abandoned industrial territory. No stores. No houses. I saw a used needle when walking there the other day, if that tells you anything.

Posted by: alsawo at October 14, 2008 1:21 PM

Sebb: Did you read this?

http://njrereport.com/80sbubble.htm

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 1:23 PM

just saying - as long as that park actually comes (i see no real reason why it won't, eventually) this will be as nice as treelined willow street but with views. (using willow as comparison for walk to subway/restaurants/etc)

Posted by: RobertMosesJr at October 14, 2008 1:26 PM

RobertMosesJr, please tell me you didn't just compare Sutton Place to 70 Washington and the Hicks Street corridor!

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 14, 2008 1:36 PM

DOW--its funny how similar so many of the headlines are in that compilation (funny in a macabre kind of way). There is no doubt that if you paid anywhere close to top market value in the last couple of years that you will have to wait quite some time to see prices rebound to that level.

Posted by: wasder at October 14, 2008 1:38 PM

11217 Point is this don't call me a Broker and I wont call you things that might upset you. You should keep waiting this real estate thing out. I know what NYC is about let's see if you do.
DOW8000SP800 :You really need to look at what the Feds did today and have been doing if you think they will let the economy fail you are mistaken this is the USA not Argentina.

Posted by: sebb at October 14, 2008 1:39 PM

Thiose 6,000 brownstone & limestones in Manhattan start at significantly higher multiples of Brroklyn comparable properties. The majority of them ar much larger as well. But you aren't going to find ANy that are selling anywhere close to $1,000 psf

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 14, 2008 1:41 PM

Sebb,

Nothing you say could upset me. This is an anonymous blog and we are all free to speak as we wish. I never said you were a broker, I simply stated that your outrageous and irrational thoughts are similar to that of a salivating broker, circa 2004.

I am certainly not the only person who disagrees with you, and in fact it would seem most people have realized how nuts your comments have become, and have simply stopped responding.

I almost think your comments have to be a joke. That's how crazy they are.

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 1:42 PM

alsawo, you nailed it. Willow Street and OBBP are quite opposite in terms of the immediate surrounding vicinity.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 14, 2008 1:48 PM

Biff - only their proximity to a major high traffic thoroughfare.

you cant discount a property only because of that reason. i say this only b/c of i can speak from experience, as long as the property is done right (soundproofing etc, which supposedly OBB has) there is little to no effect on your day to day life being so close to the BQE (or as some ridiculously rich people living on sutton place can probably attest, the FDR).

Posted by: RobertMosesJr at October 14, 2008 1:52 PM

Just never open your windows. That's a fabulous solution!

Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 14, 2008 1:55 PM

"...you will have to wait quite some time to see prices rebound to that level."

You'll die first. Don't forget to adjust for deflation.

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 1:56 PM

Well you would say that being RobertMosesJr...

Posted by: dittoburg at October 14, 2008 1:57 PM

...Oh man, wasder. I didn't mean to jinks you. I'm just saying that this was a once-in-a-lifetime boom/bust. Subsequent booms/busts for the rest of our generation will not compare. Never say never but you get my point.

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 1:58 PM

Didn't think you were wishing for me to die DOW. No problems. Somehow, though I suspect with the price I paid I will someday get it back, even inflation adjusted. I got a pretty good deal.

Posted by: wasder at October 14, 2008 2:08 PM

"DOW8000SP800 :You really need to look at what the Feds did today and have been doing if you think they will let the economy fail you are mistaken this is the USA not Argentina.

I looked. They're buying banks with our W2 forms. What they've been doing is implementing bailout after bailout to no avail. Nationalizing our banks after persistently denying a housing bubble, contagion and recession does nothing to immediately restore confidence and trust.

You need to read that piece I linked you. But it is different this time. It's worse.

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 2:11 PM

"They're buying banks with our W2 forms" - Nicely put DOW.

Posted by: cobblehiller at October 14, 2008 2:20 PM

THL - here I am, stirring on my tuffett, though just barely. At this point, all the speculation on direction of market is just devolving into a lot of repetition between the two camps: the sebbs who think NYC RE can only stay strong and keep going up, and folks like me and many others who think it's bound for a significant correction, despite recent closings (which did not go into contract before the current crisis) and/or anomolies. Maybe it's like politics - it can be hard to make someone see the other point of view. Only time will tell. In the meantime, I'm sitting comfortably on my tuffett since I think facts are on my side and I'll get a deal if I'm patient.

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 14, 2008 2:23 PM

If you got a deal (25 to 50 percent below comps), wasder, that's one thing. I was more responding to "if you paid anywhere close to top market value".

But hey, if you have money leftover to spare, you can still profit from this crash we're in. Resales are dead and will be for some time. The next time we get appreciation it will probably be in line with long term inflation, hence really flat. There will be money to be made in rental properties though. Brownstones, condos and large buildings.

That's the thing. Owners who are in it for the long haul and can remain solvent should be bearish on the market, not bullish. They can bottom feed on additional holdings at the fire sale.

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 2:26 PM

I would guess that I got a deal close to 25% below comps, but as we know it is a highly subjective process to identify proper comps. Of course I wish I could have waited a little longer before leaping in but the new baby coming down the pike forced my hand this summer. As it was though I still feel like I got a lot of house for a decent price and good rental income so I feel secure in my decision. Don't think I will be buying any more property though.

Posted by: wasder at October 14, 2008 2:39 PM

11217 the reason that people think I am crazy is because the site has changed from a bunch of Bull owners except for one idiot named What to a total Bear renters site. So if that is the way MR.B want it then fine. BTW keep dreaming the market will collapse.

Posted by: sebb at October 14, 2008 2:51 PM

"Of course I wish I could have waited a little longer before leaping in but the new baby coming down the pike forced my hand this summer." wasder wins the mixed metaphor contest! good luck with the (forceful) little one!

Posted by: i disagree at October 14, 2008 2:52 PM

Query: Is sebb really the What? Discuss.

Posted by: i disagree at October 14, 2008 2:53 PM

There is a certain grammatical laxness to both Sebb's and What's postings. Opposite sides of the same coin? Would fit the "What is schitzophrenic meme".

Posted by: wasder at October 14, 2008 3:03 PM

I disagree--that was quite a jumbled metaphor I laid on my as yet unborn second child! Will try to refrain from such excesses in future.

Posted by: wasder at October 14, 2008 3:03 PM

Sebb,

The site has changed because we are now in the throws of what may be the worst economic disaster this country (and world) have seen in over 70 years.

Get a clue.

You REALLY need to read the news and get your head out of the sand.

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 3:15 PM

The Housing stock everywhere will go down. Especially in Brooklyn and NY. Whether thE stock market goes up or down. (I believe it has to retest the lows so I think it will go back down before you see any true upward movement. One thing that people don't understand is what the government is doing cannot be sustained. It will work for a while but sooner or later we will pay the piper. Interest rates are headed higher in the future because people will be afraid to lend us money. We are in a huge whole fiscally and its getting worse. With a increase in Interest rates our economy will again slow. With the inability to borrow comes another delevering cycle. I see no chance of housing going up. Our economy may do well if we can find a huge oil field or develop tech that eases the US's dependency on oil. But housing is heading down. It will probably take another 18 months to see the low. And when the price cuts come they will come fast and hard.

Posted by: HOBOKENROCKS at October 14, 2008 3:29 PM

Wasder - I say congrats on finding a house you love. Sounds like you'll be there a long time so don't worry about all this market stuff. And focus on your kids - they are what's most important! How great that you have a lovely home for your family but what really matters is how you spend your time in that home.

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 14, 2008 3:47 PM

My head is in the sand? Everyday you people rent you throw more and more money down the drain. Guess what it's almost Tax season you getting a write off? No NO NO, all you are getting is a wish that prices will drop so you can buy. Ask Santa maybe he will bring you a gift if your a good Girl. :)

Posted by: sebb at October 14, 2008 3:53 PM

"...the new baby coming down the pike forced my hand this summer..."

Did he/she come out at a high velocity? Poor wife. Ouch!

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 3:55 PM

...oh, yet unborn. Oh well...

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 3:56 PM

Sebb,

People would take you far more seriously if your posts contained proper grammar and spelling. For your own good, I would suggest you look up the rules for capitalization and the usage of commas.

It may be that English is your second language (based on your overuse of capital letters, I'd guess you might be German). If so, fine, but you clearly know enough English to be able to learn proper grammar. It's really a pain to read your posts, aside from any content I may or may not agree with.

- a teacher in NYC

Posted by: sixyearsandcounting at October 14, 2008 4:28 PM

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Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 14, 2008 4:30 PM

11217 - I find your constant attacks on Williamsburg to be beyond peculiar - what's your beef? You are clearly do not live in Williamsburg - so why do you even care?

As to your quote: "do you think have been buying all of the hideous garbage that's been slapped up in Williamsburg over the past 10 years?" what do you base this on??

I own a condo in williamsburg, and aesthetics aside because we may or may not share the same taste, I, probably unlike you, looked at many apartments, and have a pretty good idea about quality in williamsburg. in any case, i had our apt. inspected, and the report came back glowing. as someone who has owned pre-war buildings before in brooklyn, and someone who has looked at hundreds of brooklyn properties, it's been my experience that the majority of properties that are big pieces of sh*t are pre-wars which, of course, makes sense because they are old.

i love williamsburg so damn much that i can't fathom the hate. sorry, you seem really wierd.

Posted by: wine lover at October 14, 2008 4:30 PM

Wine Lover...Williamsburg is not my favorite, no. And I applaud you for finding a good quality place there that you love...I did not say that nice places don't exist, but if you can't admit that there are an overabundance of poor quality and poorly designed buildings there, then you are a little dellusional, in my opinion. Enjoy your place. I find your defensive attitude "really weird." If you love it, what do you care what I say about it??

I've spent a lot of time in Williamsburg (friends, ex boyfriends there, etc) and it's one of my least favorite parts of the city. It doesn't mean there aren't nice qualities, but it's not for me, and I'm allowed to express that opinion. Feel free to say as many derogatory things as you want about Park Slope, but I will not call you weird for saying such nor will I care. Everyone has different tastes. (And btw, I looked at almost 50 apartments before I bought mine, so no clue why you'd suggest that I would not have looked around a bit before buying). THAT is also kinda weird.

And Sebb,

I do not rent. I own and I bought in 2006. I am fully aware of the situation, and am also fully aware that if I look to sell in the next couple years, I may be taking a loss. So your renter argument is not really valid here. Nor are most of your other points lately.

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 4:57 PM

P.S. I won't even go into the fact that this site is 90% dedicated to "pieces of sh*t" pre-wars" so I have to wonder why exactly you come here with such frequency.

Posted by: 11217 at October 14, 2008 5:00 PM

sebb vs what. What a face off that would be.

sebb - I dare you to venture over into what's latest forum and start something.

Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at October 14, 2008 5:16 PM

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