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October 23, 2008

House of the Day: 1290 Pacific Street Revisited

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When we looked at 1290 Pacific Street a year ago, it was listed with Brooklyn Properties for $1,450,000. Having failed to sell, the 1899 Queen Anne house is now with Corcoran hoping to fetch $1,310,000. Here's what we said last time: "On the one hand, its a one-of-a-kind house with an impeccable architectural pedigree; on the other, unfortunately many of the people who have that kind of dough to spend aren't ready to rock Crown Heights yet, historic district or not." Think it's got a shot with this lower price?
1290 Pacific Street [Corcoran] GMAP P*Shark
HOTD: 1290 Pacific Street [Brownstoner]




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Great Crown Hts home... Price I don't know whats good these days.. But looks like a very nice place.. I guess the only down fall would be the LIRR.

Posted by: Amzi Hill at October 23, 2008 1:28 PM

"Receive your guests in your 19th Century parlor. This Magnificent 1899 Queen Anne style s mini mansion is dripping with detail"

yeah. just don't let them see the cobbled-together kitchen with the sink bowls on top of the wood counter between all the mismatched cabinets!!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 23, 2008 1:34 PM

Wait 2 years then remove the 1 from the price and it will be priced about right. That would put it back in line with where prices would have naturally been had the past 8 years not occurred as they did. I'm still amazed at the denial of people in this city at what is coming. I'm guessing people like this are hoping to catch onto that denial and sell really fast before it really hits the fan.

Posted by: wburghipstersaredirty at October 23, 2008 1:35 PM

utterly ridiculous pricing!

so, let's have a little pre-election vote of our own:
who is worse on that level, corcoran or brooklyn properties? hell, why limit it to that? let's vote on the worst brooklyn realtors!

Posted by: househunt at October 23, 2008 1:36 PM

what's going on w/that oddly placed bed in the 3rd picture?

Posted by: new2hood at October 23, 2008 1:37 PM

This house is so cool. I looked at it last spring. Not the best location in the world, but just from an architectural perspective its pretty remarkable.

Posted by: wasder at October 23, 2008 1:42 PM

argh. i love it. really. but in this market of fear, you'd have trouble fetching this price anywhere.

Posted by: Delilah at October 23, 2008 1:43 PM

I love the staircase. Perhpas I'll make an offer on it.

Posted by: dittoburg at October 23, 2008 1:49 PM

This house is absolutely fantastic. I went to a BP open house quite awhile back. The problem is the block. It's across the street from a a lot where there's a lot of loitering. I believe that is the lot where there is going to be a hotel, so this may change.

Posted by: Susan Elkins at October 23, 2008 1:54 PM

Great house, not great location.
Worth maybe half the asking.

Posted by: sam at October 23, 2008 1:55 PM

Crown Heights really has lovely homes... I think it will return to the neighborhood it once was... The bones are already there...

Posted by: Amzi Hill at October 23, 2008 2:00 PM

Brooklyn Heights has lovely homes and yet everywhere you turn you see evidence of rent-control hovels left over from when the area was a "low-rent" haven in the 1950's and 60's. That was fifty years ago! Neighborhoods don't change all that quickly, especially with NYC's rent-regulation laws. People stay put in their apartments until they die. It's NY. That's the way it is. Neighborhoods evolve quite slowly although the real estate hype moves at lightning speed.

Posted by: sam at October 23, 2008 2:07 PM

love it, w/a kitchen overhaul and an airlift to a better location (even in c.h.). if it gets that price, i'll wear an obama shirt to a wester PA biker bar.

Posted by: goldie at October 23, 2008 2:14 PM

goldie...you don't have to go very far west. In fact just get off of 78 or 80 at the first exit in PA!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 23, 2008 2:22 PM

Has anyone been inside it? Why so few photos?

Posted by: cobblehiller at October 23, 2008 2:26 PM

THL? Where art thou?

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 23, 2008 2:41 PM

Brownstoner:

When I mentioned this house to my brother when it was first posted a year ago, he mentioned that it was one of his fundamental memories of our growing up in Crown Heights during the 1950's. (We lived one building down the block on Pacific Street.)

Seeing the interior shots is a real eye opener. Back then the house seemed very dark, especially because it was set behind the street and an iron fence. But the big windows, apparently, create a very different character inside.

We never got in the place, not even during Halloween, when we and our pals would go up and down the block hitting up the neighbors. Somehow we knew not to go past the fence, especially after the owner's gardener chased my brother and his pals off the grounds with hedge cutters one afternoon.

The occupant was an elderly lady who always sat in the window left of the front door. She was there most times of the day, never moving and never saying a word. How old? Looking back I'd guess in her eighties. How long had she lived there? Who knew. But judging from the house and the big black Lincoln always parked in her drive, she was clearly a hold-over from the street's richer days.

But how could someone live in such a big house all alone? This made her the subject of fascination and conjecture by us kids. Some suggested she was so old that she may have built the whole neighborhood. Others postulated she was crazy. Looking at the interior photographs now and imagining them filled with furniture from the teens and twenties when she may have arrived at the house, I imagine she was one of those Crown Heights ladies of probity and rectitude. The last of a type.

There were a few others like her on the block, including an elderly woman and her mother who occupied an apartment in our building's twin. Lots of lace, floral wall paper and tea cups. Hushed conversations with my mother as her two boys played on the oriental rugs. Impassive, Victorian expressions in public, smiles and melodious voices in private.

They moved from the block, and we did, too. But the old lady at 1290 stayed put. What happened to her?

When I spoke of 1290 to my brother, the man -- now in his fifties -- cracked a big grin. He was that kid scrambling over the fence all over again. A small thrilling moment that helps define a childhood. And helping to keep that old lady alive.

Nostalgic on Park Avenue

Posted by: NOP at October 23, 2008 2:43 PM

I have to point out a lot of those bikers, if they vote, may be voting for Obama!

Posted by: BrooklynGreene at October 23, 2008 2:46 PM

NOP,
Always enjoy your additions to the conversation!
I wish we could get you back to Brooklyn! As I've told you, I don't miss leaving P.A. at all at this point.

Posted by: BrooklynGreene at October 23, 2008 2:48 PM

Thanks, Brooklyn Greene.

I'm in Brooklyn whenever I peruse Brownstoner!

NOP

Posted by: NOP at October 23, 2008 2:58 PM

Surely I am not the only one here who want Nostalgic to please write a memoir? His posts are always glorious.

Posted by: Whuh at October 23, 2008 2:58 PM

Wants, excuse me...

Posted by: Whuh at October 23, 2008 2:58 PM

Nice house...wish there were more pictures of the interior.

Only 19 posts and we're already asking for THL.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 23, 2008 3:02 PM

NOP, another gem!

I live on this block, down near NY Ave. The Nostrand end is all apartment buildings, and is much noisier, with more people outside. That said, they are just people outside. There is a group of old guys who have chairs set up, who stay out there all day. Maybe not the most productive use of time, but they are block watchers, they always say hello, and they are harmless. Most of the other people are just hanging out, watching their kids play, and passing the time, usually only in the evening in the summer. Maybe not everyone's cup o tea, but it could be worse.

The new condo/apartment building is going up almost directly across the street. The small 8 unit apt buildings across from this house are slowly being renovated and will probably come back as market rate housing. The remainder of the block is a mix of row houses, 1 large apt building, next door to this house, and several other 8 unit buildings, including one that has been cooped for years. Is it one of CH's most scenic blocks? No. Bad place to live? No.

The current owners purposefully did not alter the space that much by putting in fancy kitchens, etc. They wanted to preserve as much of the original building as possible, and wanted to make it easy for the house to be returned to its original one family state when they moved on. Most of the people in the building are artists and students. I rarely see any of them, except in the spring when they are working on their front garden. One woman I spoke to was English.

I confess, I've never been inside, I always wanted to, but missed whatever open houses and showings there were. Pity I can't manage to see what's on my block. I do know the house is architecturally significant, and was designed by JC Cady, one of Brooklyn's best, and the designer of the magnificent red brick Union United Methodist Church right up the street at NY and Dean. I also think this may sit for a while, and I hope it is bought by someone who appreciates it, and makes good use of the large lot, garden and house.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 23, 2008 3:40 PM

Oh, they finished painting the porch and columns. The whole thing's now a deep hunter green.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 23, 2008 3:41 PM

Between NOP and MM...I'm in love with the area...that, and the great architecture.

I think in 30 years we're all going to be on here reading a posting by 'Montorse Morris is Nostalgic on Pacific'

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 23, 2008 3:51 PM

taxes are $165 a year? is that right?

Posted by: Ringo at October 23, 2008 4:18 PM

No, Bayridge Girl, Montrose Morris and I are not the same person. Notice we write about different times and in different styles. We've never even met! (Although I've come to think of us as friends.)

But it's good you love the neighborhood, especially for its architecture, which is among the best in the city.

And Montrose, I'm anxious to know more about the apartments going up across the street from 1290. Can you somehow get the builder to share the plans with Brownstoner? That lot was the view from my family's living room and dining room. We saw straight through to the old LIRR station on Atlantic Avenue, a real old-fashioned "depot" with yellow-painted wood walls and a shingle roof. Does it still exist? In the far background above the trees was the tower of Boys High School -- a wonderful Brooklyn landscape. Too bad if that all gets blocked out, although having a nice building to finish Pacific Street is a good idea.

The "big" apartment house you mention must be 1292/4, where I had friends. I remember this as a Tudor-style number with heavily carved furniture and chandeliers in the lobby. I got stuck in the elevator there once. It had an accordion door and somehow I got my foot caught in the apparatus and had to wait for hours to be let out.

Pretty humiliating for a little Brooklyn kid who prided himself on his independence!

NOP

Posted by: NOP at October 23, 2008 4:54 PM

Not the hotel lot?

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/07/new_northern_cr.php#comments

Posted by: Susan Elkins at October 23, 2008 5:52 PM

No, no NOP, you didn't quite get what BRG meant. She meant, though I think she got the age spread a bit wrong, that in 30 years, the person who posts as Montrose Morris will be writing things like you write about Crown Heights from when you were growing up.

:-)

If you don't rent (I assume you own), sell now even if everyone in the family is annoyed and then rent for a while. At least you could get a nice house in PS or BH as the prices come down if you hold onto your Park Ave. apartment sale...but move fast! :-)

Posted by: BrooklynGreene at October 23, 2008 6:13 PM

Love the house, don't love the neighbourhood. If it's still on the market in another year's time I'd be tempted to put in an offer at a what I think is the right price.

As for that price, that price cut didn't just happen - it had been on the market for months for less than this (with Brooklyn Properties I think). The owners need to get realistic about the world today if they really want to sell.

Posted by: the chicken at October 23, 2008 6:47 PM

BrooklynGreene, thanks for clarifying on my behalf.

NOP, that's what I meant. That your posts are always enjoyable. You give us such a colorful and reflective prespective of Crown Heights from when you were growing up there, that in 30 years Montrose will hopefully be doing the same; sharing stories of a neighborhood s/he loves.

I'm a sucker for stories, Please keep them coming.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 23, 2008 7:11 PM

Bay Ridge Girl:

And I'll be pushing tulips!

;)

NOP

Posted by: NOP at October 23, 2008 7:27 PM

NOP, I'll see what I can find out. I know the site is being developed by the same people who are also doing very modern condos farther down Pacific, in Prospect Hts. I like their work. I wonder about the design being contextural or at least pleasing, as there are no renderings on signage on site. My neighbor across the street talks to the developer all the time, so I'll find out something. (Neighbor, you also read this blo so if you know anything, please post.)

When LPC landmarked this block, they cut out the Nostrand end on both sides of the street, and started with this house, going east,so the lot where they are building is not landmarked, so zoning regs aside, they can build whatever style of build whatever they want. I hope it's not an eyesore.

I consider you my friend as well, NOP, as well as a neighbor. My career goal is to become the old lady in a big house, with cats, who chases little kids out of the yard. I'm working on the house and the old part. I already have the prerequisite felines.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 24, 2008 12:07 AM

NOP in 1930 the Canadian Dr. Lorne MacDougall and his wife Alice lived in this house they are 50 and 52 in 1930. So they are born around 1878/1880. They have two children Helen and John and a maid named Georgianna Young living with them. Alice could be the old lady you knew. Her parents are both born in Scotland according to the census.

Posted by: Amzi Hill at October 24, 2008 12:59 AM

PS In 1900 The first family to live in this house was the John Winfield and Eliza Ray family. He was a dry goods buyer. This family leaves NY for LA

Posted by: Amzi Hill at October 24, 2008 1:16 AM

Thanks, Amzi, for the information. If this is the case, Ms. MacDougal had a front window to Brooklyn's changes. NOP

Posted by: NOP at October 24, 2008 8:14 AM

NOP...hold on while I take my foot out of my mouth and explain again.

I meant in 30 years, you'll be so busy with the book tour of your best selling memoir, 'Nostalgic on Park Avenue', that you won't have time to post.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 24, 2008 8:28 AM

Amzi - about three months ago a touristing family (I'm guessing they were from Utah/Colorado) asked me on Park Avenue in midtown whether there was a "dry goods store" nearby. I blanked.

Posted by: dittoburg at October 24, 2008 9:28 AM

dittoburg I would have done the same thing.. If funny to look at the occupations of the people in the neighborhood then. Half of them are not around anymore. Most of them I have no idea what they are... Funny how things change in 100 years

Posted by: Amzi Hill at October 24, 2008 9:47 AM

Where do you get all this great info from then?

Posted by: dittoburg at October 24, 2008 9:59 AM

ancestry.com, I am member. I love genealogy as well as great old houses.

Posted by: Amzi Hill at October 24, 2008 10:14 AM

If you need me to look up any address let me know I can tell you a house history from 1930 back with no problem. Census records are the ones I look at most often.

Posted by: Amzi Hill at October 24, 2008 10:16 AM

I adds a whole dimension to one's perception of a place knowing that history.

Posted by: dittoburg at October 24, 2008 10:26 AM

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