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October 13, 2008

House of the Day: 448 6th Street

We're in love with the bayfront brownstone at 448 6th Street that just hit the market. It feels historically authentic but not precious, and it's a little different from your standard-issue brownstone. The asking price is $2,825,000. Given the current meltdown and the fact that the house is only 17 feet wide, that's going to be tough, but, man, whoever ends up here is a lucky duck.
448 6th Street [Brown Harris Stevens] GMAP P*Shark

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This house is gorgeous. I really love what they've done with the inside. I think it's probably one of my favorite homes ever highlighted here. Buyer will be lucky, indeed.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 1:31 PM

This seems odd to me. Just odd. I can't imagine how the price was determined.

South Slope;unlikely to be on a park block as there is no mention of where on 6th it is located; an ancient (albeit cute) kitchen on the lowest level of the house; no powder room on the parlor floor; very little closet space in bedrooms; a tanking and frightening economy, and finally, the biggie, only 17 feet wide making living space arranging a challenge (Although I am biased here - we won't consider anything under 18 feet, an we prefer 20).

Agree with Mister B about the authentic detail, but close to 3 million? For detail?

Posted by: Nokilissa at October 13, 2008 1:32 PM

Very nice.

Posted by: 1842 at October 13, 2008 1:33 PM

The house is between 6th and 7th Avenues.

I think people pay a premium for a gorgeous one family move in ready house like this, bad economy or not. Everyone in the city is not sunk.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 1:36 PM

One more thing: I don't think any of the fireplaces are opened. Another big druther for me. I know you can usually do it, but for much bother and expense. For this price, the fireplaces - at least one - should be wood burning.

Posted by: Nokilissa at October 13, 2008 1:37 PM

This is a typical example of overinflated prices. Houses like this went for 1 million less than 10 years ago, and have now tripled in value? Hard to say how it will fare now, since it may take a while for market shake-down to make itself felt. But this is an optimistic ask to say the least - would have been even pre-crisis, but at this point, seems foolish. They could move this much faster for several 100K less.

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 13, 2008 1:40 PM

11217, I guess you and I have distinctly different ideas as to what constitutes "move in ready" for almost 3 million dollars.
That kitchen, even if we're looking at nothing else, is not even close to acceptable at this price point. I think you've got about 2 sq. feet of laminate counterspace, tops.

Have we had this little tiff before?

Posted by: Nokilissa at October 13, 2008 1:40 PM

Nokilissa, you're likely correct on the fireplaces being closed. I would have to think they would be mentioned in the listing if they were functional. It's also a big druther for me too (I absolutely love having working fireplaces in my home).

I think overall the home is very nice, albeit on the narrow side. I'm not too crazy about the kitchen and dining rooms being on separate floors, but it's not completely unusual from the brownstones I've seen.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 1:45 PM

lovely, and definitely calls for the hiring of a small staff with uniforms, strong calves (for carrying dinner service upstairs, naturally), traditional senses of comportment and saucy notes of delightful irreverence. can't you just see the sunlight dappling on the maids busy with their feather dusters and hepa-filter vacuum cleaners as the children giggle through their lessons with the governess and the cook kneads the bread, all whilst in preparation for the lord and lady's return from a fortnight in the country?

with the center stair and the removal of the dividing wall on the parlor floor, the only room where i can see the 17' really mattering is that ground-floor den. and this place has enough other spaces that it shouldn't be an issue. it's a move-in ready single-family house near the park, and will sell quickly, most likely around 2.5. discount for the fact that it's not in ps 321, even though buyers most likely would be private-school-bound or perhaps already comfortably esconsed in 321.

Posted by: i disagree at October 13, 2008 1:45 PM

I'm wondering what that shower looks like in the middle of the bathroom on the fourth floor!!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 1:45 PM

although the kitchen is weird, I think the house is gorgeous. love the layout, even. Hope it goes for ask (as should every homeowner in PS!)

Cons: hate the laundry in the basement, and I'd want a bathroom/butler's pantry on the parlor floor.

Posted by: new2hood at October 13, 2008 1:46 PM

I love the kitchen, and wouldn't change a thing about it. So yes, we do have very different styles, apparently.

I don't really care about our "tiffs" because it seems that nothing in the world could possibly make you happy. You literally complain about each and every house that comes on here. I personally think THAT is a lot more "odd" than the price.

I have no idea what the selling price will be, but I think this is exactly the type of house that most people looking for a 1 family in Park Slope are looking for.

You clearly do not fall into that "most" category, so let's just drop it.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 1:47 PM

And P.S...anyone who does not think this house is "move in ready" is a princess of the highest order.

There might be a thing or two to change, but it is most CERTAINLY move in ready, Queen Nokilissa.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 1:50 PM

This is a super-charming house. The front bays are magnificent. I love the layout as well, with the kitchen where it should be, on the garden level. The one alteration I would make would be to create a window wall, with French doors perhaps, opening up to the back yard from the kitchen. I really like this house and though I think the price is very high, and unaffordable, it isn't absurd given its beauty and location. I would prefer a 17-foot-wide house with detail and good layout than a 20-footer with a bad layout and "standard-issue features. But who can afford this right now? Moreover who has the courage to spend this kind of mega-money right now?

Posted by: sam at October 13, 2008 1:52 PM

Call me a princess, but that kitchen needs to be completely redone. It's not worthy of a $500,000 apartment, never mind a $2,825,000 house.

Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 13, 2008 1:53 PM

the fact that there might possibly be a sauna is enough for me.

Posted by: ks8000 at October 13, 2008 1:53 PM

Very charming house. I like the kitchen a lot. Much preferable to cold lab-like kitchens, for me.

Don't know about the price, but it only takes one person who absolutely falls in love, and wants to spend the cash on a long term family home, to go for it. I guess we shall see.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at October 13, 2008 1:55 PM

The dining room is undoubetly supposed to be the "den" on the garden floor--right next to the kitchen. The current owners simply have placed thier dining table on the parlor floor. Put it on the garden level and there is no issue.

The kitchen is adorable and it's easy to see that it could be fab. However, I agree with the point that it is not "worthy" of a 2.8M house.

I love this house, but I think the asking price is unrealistic in the best of times--and in the current "environment" it seems really really high. It is totally true that not everyone is hurting--but even the richest are nervous and are watching their investments very carefully.

Posted by: shillstoner at October 13, 2008 1:58 PM

Oh I don't know about completely redone. The 1950s aquamarine old style cupboard is charming. And when your red bricks are that shade of red, show em off.

The rest can go, including the prison bars. Mind you with a garden, I mean yard, like that, who knows whats hiding out there.

Posted by: dittoburg at October 13, 2008 2:00 PM

Love it, love it, love it, kitchen and all. Good luck to the sellers.

Posted by: czar at October 13, 2008 2:05 PM

This is def. not a kitchen in a 3m dollar house. It's like a dorm room kitchen. There's two feet of counter space. No need to worry about hiring people to carry the food upstairs to the dining room during dinner parties, cause there's no room to prepare food for the those parties.

Hope one of those pots and pans doesn't fall as your over the stove stirring.

I'm so tired of poorly laid out, badly designed kitchens in these 'luxury' homes.

Sure this home is in 'move' in condition, but so is an apartment with a counter and a hot plate.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 13, 2008 2:08 PM

Nice, 11217.

I Have no idea how this little sophomoric attack was instigated, but you clearly have some issues with me (of which I was unaware hence my attempt to connect with you using some humor with my "tiff" question), that render you guilty of selective inattention.

I most definitely do not "complain" about "each and every house that comes on here" and am genuinely surprised by that perception. If I have offended you or others with my honest and open appraisals of homes and their asking prices, I apologize, but I am under the delusion that that is the purpose of this site.

As for the mean-spirited name calling and insinuation that I am some sort of princess, nothing I can do about that, but I disagree with you. I am far, FAR, from that.

Btw, Dave, the "shower" on the top floor is probably a skylight.

Posted by: Nokilissa at October 13, 2008 2:11 PM

yes Nokilissa...I'm sure you're right about it being a skylight

Kitchen is a disaster!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 2:17 PM

With the exception of the kitchen I flat out love it. The character is so unique. My house is 17' wide with the parlor floor wall removed (like they have here) so it doesn't seem narrow at all.

I agree that for 3m the kitchen should be top of the line but I would rather buy it like this (with a price reduction negotiated based upon the dated kitchen) and do it myself than have them install appliance I didn't like and do something so totally modern it didn't jive with the rest of the house. I'm picturing soapstone, butcher block and an Aga range here. High end but not "lab-like" (I like that description MM), this needs something special.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 13, 2008 2:26 PM

...farmhouse sink, copper hood over the range...

Man would I love to reno. this kitchen.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 13, 2008 2:30 PM

I think we should all grab a pot or pan off the wall and start fighting with each other about who is right.

Posted by: dittoburg at October 13, 2008 2:30 PM

Dibs on the cast iron skillet.

Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 13, 2008 2:34 PM

For 3m I want them to include their furniture. Some of those pieces (the tables and dresser) are just gorgeous!

Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 13, 2008 2:36 PM

I agree with 11217, I think this house is in "move-in" condition. It is good enough shape to move in and live there a while and then assess how you want to approach changes and upgrades. As I wrote earlier, I would like french doors looking out on to a terrace, but maybe once I lived there I would think of something else. I really love this house more than most others I have seen here. I assume that most days the family would dine in the garden level. A "formal" dining room upstairs could be great for fancy occassions. A dumb waiter could be installed easily for the dishes. This arrangement will far outlive the current "kitchen in the living room" vogue, which I think it often an excuse for developers to cheat one out of the extra room and square footage of a real kitchen in new buildings.
PS: Nokilissa, there is nothing wrong with being picky especially if you still have cash these days.

Posted by: sam at October 13, 2008 2:37 PM

11217, I believe Nokilissa meant to say, "Have we had this little biff before?"

I love you both dearly. Can't we all just get along? If not, I've got dibs on the poker for the faux fireplace.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 2:39 PM

location = outstanding
exterior = unique for the area
interior = very well maintained

ok maybe its a little overpriced given the lack of width, but I could certainly see this selling for close to 2.6 even in this state of economic disaster.

Posted by: bktycoon at October 13, 2008 2:40 PM

Did I just say I've got DIBS on the poker? That should qualify me for the Daily Poor Choice of Words Award.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 2:41 PM

Miss Muff: The price is still far below the reproduction cost - i.e. buying one is still much cheaper than building it new.

Posted by: Polemicist at October 13, 2008 2:44 PM

Biff...or the Most Appropriate Choice of Words Award.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 13, 2008 2:45 PM

BRG, D'OH!

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 2:47 PM

I really did LOL at your 2.41 post Biff!

Posted by: dittoburg at October 13, 2008 2:47 PM

Polemicist - I'm going by comps, which I think will be adjusted as a result of this crisis. Already, for this location, size and condition, this price would have been optimistic this summer. Now, it just seems absurd. Not saying it's not a nice house with potential, but I personally wouldn't touch it for much over $2mill, and that's still a very big chunk of change in this climate.

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 13, 2008 2:50 PM

Get in line guys!!! LOL

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 2:50 PM

"Get in line guys!!!"

I think I prefer the back of the line in this case.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 2:53 PM

I realize things are quite different than they were even a month ago, but as for comps, haven't there been at least a couple houses go for 2 million (or a little over) quite a bit farther south...I want to say 12th street and another one down near there as well. From what I recall they were also much smaller.

I'd say this is priced to go a few hundred thousand less than asking. According to Property Shark, the owners have been here since 1976, so they stand to make a BUNDLE either way.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 2:54 PM

One of my fantasies is a center stair. The kitchen has it's charms but it could be upgraded without loosing them.

Posted by: Susan Elkins at October 13, 2008 2:54 PM

Thursday should be interesting. Hope you're going to do a follow up, Biff.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 13, 2008 2:54 PM

Leave it to you to bring down a perfectly civilised discussion on a beautiful Victorian home

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 2:55 PM

Yes Susan...would love to see a pic of the stairs

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 2:56 PM

Biff, get your mind out of the ash heap young man. And Dave, if Biff jumped in front of a bus would you follow?
No dessert tonight for either of you...not even whipped cream with little strawberries strategically placed here and there.

Posted by: sam at October 13, 2008 2:57 PM

I've met Biff and although he's a great guy and handsome, he's not my type. And, he's not gay.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:00 PM

BRG, I'm not sure what you're talking about re: Thursday.

OH! Why you must be referring to our first annual End of the World (Or Maybe Not) Party(TM) THIS Thursday, October 16, 2008 at Union Hall in Park Slope, that will begin at 6:30pm. http://www.unionhallny.com/ Everyone is welcome.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 3:00 PM

Sam....WHYYYYYYYYYYY?

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 13, 2008 3:01 PM

Did the World end??? I must have missed it. Am I in Heaven now??

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:02 PM

Yes, I must be in heaven. The stock market is +632 points.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:02 PM

Yes, DIBS, you're in heaven, get in line.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 13, 2008 3:03 PM

Why in God's name are the treads on that beautiful staircase painted white???

That kitchen is utterly useless as it is now.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:07 PM

It's not useless, Dave. The new owners will get all their meals from GetFreshNYC down the street. Anyone been there? I love their stuff. I hope they're doing ok...

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 3:11 PM

If I say its useless then its useless 11217. :) You seem to be in a very argumentative mood today.

You still not able to come on Thursday???

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:13 PM

11217 - this place is priced as if things were still on the upswing, which they most certainly are not. I've seen 20' wide 4-story homes on this block in as if not nicer condition asking less this past spring. If they get their price, or even a "mere" few 100K less, more power to them, but I would be very, very surprised.

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 13, 2008 3:15 PM

Miss Muffett, where are these houses you saw this spring? Unfortunately, I missed them....

Posted by: new2hood at October 13, 2008 3:18 PM

With regard to your "can't we all just get along?", Biff We apparently cannot. This wasn't a "fight" or a momentary inability to get along. It also didn't feel like an issue over who was right or wrong. It felt really personal. I am miffed/biffed by the attack and I'm genuinely perplexed and hurt by it. I hate feeling like a junior high kid again! Especially because no one called him on it - the unprovoked name calling and dismissive tude.

Hope I get to meet you on Thursday 11217. What fun.

Posted by: Nokilissa at October 13, 2008 3:18 PM

I suspect GetFresh is doomed. There is never anybody in there. I think they overshot the market price-wise.

Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 13, 2008 3:18 PM

Where is GetFresh?

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:21 PM

Corcoran had one on this very block for about 2.6 - I think the listing went away, since I never saw it go from "for sale" to "in contract" - maybe the owners took it off market?

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 13, 2008 3:21 PM

It might be priced as such, Ms. Muffet, but I think most sane sellers are hoping to still price high (since a lot of people who don't work on Wall Street may not actually be feeling "the pinch" quite yet, but just reading and hearing about it on tv) but they know that buyers are going to lowball. And just as these owners bought for a song in 1976, there might be people thinking that they are going to raise their family here for the next 30 years, and people will be saying the same of them when they look to sell in 2040.

Sure they could price it lower to begin with, but everyone has different strategies on how to sell a home. I don't necessarily know which is best, but I'm pretty sure these owners know they probably aren't getting 2.8

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 3:21 PM

'Did I just say I've got DIBS on the poker.'

'Biff...or the Most Appropriate Choice of Words Award.'

'I've met Biff and although he's a great guy and handsome, he's not my type. And, he's not gay.'

Biff...so sorry, I assumed incorrectly.
Now, I feel like the world's biggest Asshat.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 13, 2008 3:22 PM

i found it. i googled it. God I'm clever today!!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:23 PM

BRG...we're all doomed Asshats!!! Will someone have asshats at the party that we can all wear????

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:25 PM

Nokilissa,

If an anonymous poster on a real estate blog has personally hurt you, then I apologize. Lord.

Btw, shouldn't you be taking care of your two (soon to be 3) kids, having crazy sex with your completely trust worthy husband and finding that ever so perfect and precious house that is up to your standards for 3 million dollars, anyway?

Oh wait, I was apologizing...that's right.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 3:27 PM

I am certain I had a better kitchen than that in college living in a house that was one step above squalor. At least there is space to work with. But $2.8, 6th Street, AND you need to put in a whole new kitchen. No thanks.

Posted by: Nobrokersplease at October 13, 2008 3:29 PM

Dave, thanks for the kind words. By the way, where's wasder? He said he was going to bring the name tags (just like sam promised to bring the whipped cream with little strawberries for strategic placement).

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 3:30 PM

Nice house, but before I'd call it move-in, I'd wonder about the mechanicals. Heat, central air, roof? The lack of mention about these leaves me wondering...

Posted by: denton at October 13, 2008 3:33 PM

Anyone see those sushi places where you have the naked girl lying on the table with the sushi all over her and the hipsters all sitting around picking the pieces of sushi off her acting as though they're so bored with it all?

That's how I'm imagining Biff and Dave with the strawberries!

Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 13, 2008 3:34 PM

Dave - GetFresh is on Fifth Avenue between 5th and 6th Street. Their prices seem a little high for that end of the Slope.

Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 13, 2008 3:35 PM

11217, you're usually quite calm, cool, collected, easy going and downright fun here. Seriously. Why are you attacking Nokilissa so viciously? She certainly didn't go after you. She was lightheartedly asking if you had disagreed in the past. I know she didn't mean any offense and I don't get why you're all over her case like this. Maybe you two have had differences in opinion over your taste in homes, but that's no reason to disparage her and her family like that. I've always found her courteous, intelligent, friendly and very entertaining in her posts.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 3:37 PM

THL...First of all, you need to get your mind out of the gutter. Not very "Lady-like"....I've been to one of those in Japan. Very, very expensive...even for Japan!!! I prefer the Japanese guy though.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:37 PM

THL...that comment, beats any Mill Basin House you gave us.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 13, 2008 3:37 PM

Over and out.

And thanks a lot Biff. I thought that was confidential.

Posted by: Nokilissa at October 13, 2008 3:38 PM

This is a Victorian-era home. You should be thinking of Pimm's and cucumber sandwiches...served however you like...not sushi.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:38 PM

THL, I'm quite certain nobody wants to see that and your mere suggestion of it is sure to drive away potential partygoers this Thursday.

BRG, I have no issues with the fact you were mistaken about my orientation. However, once you see my rather questionable and poor taste in fashion, there will be no more confusion.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 3:41 PM

Now what happened???

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:42 PM

Hey Biff, [Excuse me, I feel like I'm walking into a very tense room for some reason] - uhm, are you going to run another forum post for the Union Hall thing? Also, I wrote a note asking Mr. B if he is coming, but I don't he saw it. Do you know?

Posted by: cobblehiller at October 13, 2008 3:43 PM

I appreciate your words, Biff, but Nokilissa has always rubbed me the wrong way. Every other post mentions what she does and does not expect for 3 million dollars. She's been on here "looking" for a house for how many months/years?

I find her posts snippy, her attitude downright nasty at times, and to me she comes across as incredibly spoiled and entitled. Maybe that's not the case, but that's the sense I get.

I'm sure there are some who don't appreciate my posts either, but to say I would be "hurt" by another persons posts on here would be kinda ridiculous. It's a blog and I don't know here personally. This isn't a family...it's an online blog about real estate. For all I know Biff...you ARE Nokilissa.

I have followed her posts for a while now, and they are usually negative, references her house "budget" whenever she can, and oftentimes makes rude and stereotypical remarks about people...hipsters...trust funders...we've heard it all.

For everyone else, I am cool, calm and collected.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 3:45 PM

cobblehiller, I wasn't necessarily planning on it. Hmmmm. Well, since you did mention it, ok, what the hey! Should I do it Wednesday or Thursday or both? (The What's clearly set a precedent that one can run a forum post on as many consecutive days as one wants). Thanks for asking and I'm genuinely looking forward to you, even if you have expressed concerns about being trapped between Dave and me in a conversation :-)

I've invited Mr. B and all of the Brownstoner staff via email. There are indications they might make guest appearances, but I'll leave that to them to confirm. I think it would be wonderful if they all dropped by. I'm sure many people would love to say hi and thank them for doing what they do and bringing out all this love in everybody.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 3:49 PM

Actually 11217 after you've met some of these people in person its hard to disparage them "anonymously" anymore on a blog.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:50 PM

(handing 11217 a Valium)

(handing Nokilissa a box of tissues)

(pouring myself another glass of wine)

Chill peoples. It's all good. Let's just chalk it up to having The Mondays!

Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 13, 2008 3:51 PM

Starting kinda early today eh THL??? The wine I mean. You and I can share a bottle of sake some day.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 3:53 PM

nah, it's after noon. ;)

Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 13, 2008 3:57 PM

Oh wow, the kitchen. What a great fireplace. Agree with above poster about the Aga stove. What a great opportunity to put in Edwardian or 1920s-style plain cupboards and wooden counters. You could run a counter on the opposite wall, but I have found with a big table like that you don't need it.

Posted by: mopar at October 13, 2008 3:57 PM

Hmmm, good question. Maybe just Wednesday, because by then people will already know if they can make it or not?

(I wouldn't concern/compare myself with What - he's off the charts.)

Oy, that was a joke Biff, A JOKE, ok, maybe a bad joke, but a joke just the same! For cryin' out loud! I'm looking forward to meeting everyone, that is if anyone actually speaks to me! I was trying to get What to come to the party, and I thought it would make him laugh! The guy seems like he could use a laugh, no? We can "worry" this a bit more on Thursday - as needed. Better Half and I should be there no later than 7.

Posted by: cobblehiller at October 13, 2008 3:57 PM

11217, I appreciate your explanation and I can't help the way you feel about her, but my own experience with her has shown me that she is a very kind person who is quite serious in her search for a dream home for her and her family. She has the means to afford the places she's expressed interest in. I just don't think she should be faulted for being selective in finding such a place, even if that means it's taken her months or even years to do so. In my most recent search, I literally saw over 100 homes in numerous areas in Manhattan and Brooklyn and took over a year to find the "right" place, so I can understand others who go through a similar painstaking process; particularly when they have a family to consider.

Anyway, I really don't think she means any harm when joking about others and I find her, as I find you, to be one of the most interesting posters here. Hopefully you both will meet this Thursday and find out you really do like each other. And Dave's right; once you meet other 'Stoners, they do become more than an anonymous bold type poster.

As for your theory about her and I being one and the same. I can assure you we aren't: my legs are far hairier and she's much more attractive.

Ok, let's get back to the strawberries and cream!

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 4:03 PM

I think that in the current economic environment, we should learn to do without such excesses like strawberries and cream.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 4:06 PM

As I've mentioned, I will not be attendance on Thursday...it's our annual co-op meeting, and I would like to be there.

As for the rest, I look to brownstoner as a source of information on occasion, for the love of brownstones, and yes...for entertainment at times.

I do not look to brownstoner for friends or family, and while I don't fault people for wanting to do the same, I think for me personally, this is a lot more fun with everyone being anonymous. Otherwise, why even have the blog after you've all met...it's just a club at that point. Just get off the web and go talk about this stuff in person.

That doesn't mean I don't respect and enjoy most of the people on here, but I don't get personally offended or hurt by things that are said here...nor should anyone with any self respect or esteem.

It's still a blog, no matter what kind of relationship some of you choose to have outside the internets.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 4:13 PM

Maybe if you guys would stick to the subject at hand on these posts, it would still seem like a blog about brownstone brooklyn, rather than an annoyingly repetitive off-topic conversation b/t the same 4 people.

I'm just sayin'....

Posted by: new2hood at October 13, 2008 4:20 PM

Wow that is one fantastic looking house. The unique exterior alone is worth it being only 17 feet and we have no problems with lay out. That kitchen however is not meant for a house of this caliber.The counter space is really tiny and reminds me of tenement studios on the LES but this is a problem that can be easily remedied with a $40K country style restoration.
MM I know what you mean the super modern minimalist Poliform look will be out of place here.
Now the pricing is a la 2006 but on Decadron i.e. needs to be reduced by about $600K in our opinion but who knows.
PS: 11217 we've noticed you seem very angry and impolite in your comments what exactly is the matter?

Posted by: pierre de taille at October 13, 2008 4:21 PM

'Maybe if you guys would stick to the subject at hand on these posts, it would still seem like a blog about brownstone brooklyn, rather than an annoyingly repetitive off-topic conversation b/t the same 4 people.

I'm just sayin'....'

Not one mention about the house (the topic).....hhmmm?

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 13, 2008 4:27 PM

BRG...he's new 2 the hood. he gets one pass.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 4:32 PM

Sorry Pierre...Guess I'm in a bad mood today.

I used to really enjoy this blog, and now it's just a handful of people saying the same crap day after day. Strawberries, End of the World parties, whip cream, blah blah blah.

Where did all the posters go? Has traffic to the site sunk, or are many people just not registered and no longer commenting...?

It's lost much if its luster with the same 5 people talking about the same stuff day after day...much of it having absolutely nothing to do with the postings, and oftentimes is stuff that you'd hear sitting around an old folks cafeteria.

I know I don't always post on topic, but I miss the diversity of people who used to comment here. It seems to have basically become a message board.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 4:33 PM

S/he should be called new2blog if s/he thinks people have ever stayed on-topic at any point in the four year history of Brownstoner!

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 4:36 PM

Party Poopers- this house sucks.

Posted by: billyboomer at October 13, 2008 4:36 PM

No worries 11217 we still love you:) and understand that sometimes the mood can get annoying.
Now we only wish we can make it to this Union Hall party ...damn need to find someone to cover for us.
Hey Biff whats with the time? 18:30 seems real early no?

Posted by: pierre de taille at October 13, 2008 4:51 PM

You know, you've just given people a good reason not to show up on Thursday.

I have no problem with either 11217 or Nokilissa but enough already with the crying. It is a blog after all and I think it's a little ridiculous to get all worked up about people making snarky comments. Lord knows I've made a few in my time.

When the comments 11217 made got ignored by the general populous instead of defending herself Nokilissa feigned shock that no one jumped to her defense causing Biff to "Champion" her cause. What's more Jr. HS than that?

I was looking forward to going on Thursday (had I been able to go) but if that meant that I would then have to become guarded about what I said lest people become offended because now we "know" each other then never mind.

Seriously, y'all are a little too saccharine today.

Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 13, 2008 4:55 PM

THL..if you don't come who am I going to eat sushi with???

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 5:02 PM

Biff I cannot attend your end of the world party because on Thursday I will be at the ends of the earth (somewhere in the outback of Connecticut). Just as well because if I actually met you all, it may ruin it for me. I picture Biff in a kind of Flash Gordon outfit because I thought Biff Champion was Flash's sidekick. Wasn't he? bxgirl also has a bit of a superhero image with live bx cable wrapped around her shoulders like coiled snakes. You see? I can't ruin my illusions.

Posted by: sam at October 13, 2008 5:05 PM

I would also like to say, now that it's being brought up that some people here (Biff) have asked if I am a poster formerly named "Jerri Blank."

I am not, but I do know the person behind the name, as they are an acquaintance of mine. "Jerri" told me that Biff had created a mailufo account specifically for "Jerri," they exchanged many many emails and "Jerri" became very uncomfortable with the emails he was receiving from "Biff." He then noticed that the "mailufo" website no longer works, which led to even more skepticism.

I'm bringing this up because this is still the internet, and there are a lot of sick people in the world. I'm not making any judgments about anyone here and this could have been harmless fun (and "Jerri" took it the wrong way, perhaps...I don't know...) but I personally think it's better to be safe than sorry. I really don't want people I don't know to have too much information about me. I lead a professional life, have friends, date and would like to keep those things intact. I don't want to get involved with people who might have ulterior motives.

I also simply don't think this would be nearly as much fun once I met you all. We might as well just email each other after that, if we became friends.

Subsequently, "Jerri" got freaked out and no longer posts here. It's a shame that people on here have felt the need to monopolize and bully others.

To be honest, I preferred it when everyone who wanted to be, was anonymous. But it's not my blog, so I'll either continue to play by the rules or gradually fade away.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 5:20 PM

Biff...I didn't know you were predicting the end of the world!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 13, 2008 5:20 PM

sam, I'm sorry you won't be able to attend. I can assure you I don't wear a Flash Gordon outfit (or any other variation of a unitard). But your post was hilarious nonetheless.

THL, never fear (ok, now I'm talking like a superhero), you would have had a blast. I can assure you nobody is going to get too serious and, if they do, we'll crack out the strawberries and whipped cream and strap them to the tickle chair. It would have been very nice to meet you, but we'll just continue admiring you from afar on here.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 5:25 PM

This house looks really pretty, the facade is lovely and given the central staircase I don't think the narrowness is such a big deal. Still, no photos of the bathrooms, no mention of mechanicals, no powder room in the parlor... I bet it needs more than cosmetic work. Even though the photos make the photos look lovely the cost is really way too high, but I am sure the owners know it. I wonder when it will see and how much it will go for.

Posted by: Ray at October 13, 2008 5:34 PM

wow - that's a really, really nice house.

No idea whether that is a good price or not but if you can afford that much in this environment then you really have no money worries whatsoever.

On the kitchen points - yes, it should have more than what is in the picture for the money but it's also a nice open space ready to do what you want with it. I would prefer to take the "glass half full" view here.

Posted by: the chicken at October 13, 2008 5:36 PM

11217 - Too right you should remain anon after that racist claptrap the other day.

Posted by: dittoburg at October 13, 2008 5:39 PM

I am about one of the least racist people you would ever meet. I have no idea to what you are referring.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 5:41 PM

"Even though the photos make the photos look lovely"

That's a tautological twister, Ray.

Posted by: dittoburg at October 13, 2008 5:42 PM

Perhpas I got my postcodes confused, if I did I apologize. Is there someone else with similar numbers?

Posted by: dittoburg at October 13, 2008 5:44 PM

Sorry, i meant the photos make the house look lovely. Long day today... isn't it surprising after more than 100 posts and the high price none noticing the lack of photos for bathrooms? The kitchen photo doesn't make me confident on what one will find regarding bathrooms and mechanicals.

Posted by: Ray at October 13, 2008 5:48 PM

There are other posters with zip codes for a name, so it must be. I might be many things, but racist is not one of them. Not even remotely.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 5:54 PM

11217, I'm not sure why you suddenly seem to be so down on the site or have such a problem with me, especially since I've been nothing but cordial with you. Not that I feel the need to explain this, but since you've thrown out pretty severe accusations, it was never a secret that I posted an email ID for jerri, which anyone on the site could have seen. Everything we discussed was lighthearted and there was no hint of anyone being "very uncomfortable" and it was indeed harmless fun. On the contrary, jerri always appeared to enjoy the exchanges, including those with DIBS et.al. I'm really sorry if he was truly uncomfortable and we scared him away from this site. (And no, I didn't operate and ultimately destroy the mailufo website!! I wish I was that technically savvy)

Anyway, I hardly think it makes sense that I would be organizing a get together for other 'Stoners if I had "ulterior motives" or was trying to mask my identity. I've met other posters on here previously whom I consider friends (Dave, Montrose, MacD, bxgrl, etc.) and they've somehow survived and remained friend. I think your post was unfair and unnecessarily nasty.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 5:56 PM

I did not mean it to be nasty. I just think it's important to say now since some of you will be meeting in person. There have been plenty of sickos who were cordial at first and still had ulterior motives. I'm not saying you are a sicko, but clearly this person I know got a weird vibe.

If someone felt uncomfortable enough to stop the exchange and not continue posting, I think it should be brought to the forefront and not swept under a rug.

This was said in a group of people at dinner in a conversation about Brooklyn, Brownstoner, etc. and there were other readers who also had pointed out to erratic and sometimes inappropriate comments by you, Biff. "Jerri" also showed us some of these said emails and quite frankly, I would have been uncomfortable with some of them too. Not only the content, but the sheer quantity and determination of the emails, even after "Jerri" stopped responding.

I would ever have mentioned it, except I did want to get it off my chest, knowing that some of you will be meeting. I was feeling guilty and while it might be nothing, sometimes when you have a hunch, it feels right to go with it.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 6:05 PM

I've looked back at the posts, it was a race-baiting anti-white article. I don't see how you can claim to be "not even remotely racist", whether its your race or not. Apology retracted, keep your hateful posts to yourself.

Posted by: dittoburg at October 13, 2008 6:06 PM

11217 + Biff Champion:

You're tied for the most posts on this thread!

Posted by: Iris at October 13, 2008 6:10 PM

I did not write the article, I merely commented that it was "interesting"

I fail to see how that makes me an anti-white racist. I still do find the article interesting and agree with many of the points.

None of which makes me anti-white. (I am white).

I am, however able to see the flip side of things and understand that some people (especially ones that have a past of being enslaved by white people) do sometimes have to live with a double standard when compared to their relatively racist free counterparts.

Still doesn't make me anti-white to think so...

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 6:11 PM

iris, I think we're still tied after this. :-)

11217, you couldn't be farther from the truth about me. I'm assuming you're the faded type guest who continued to threaten me before the mandatory logins and who couldn't shame me when I called you out. Of course I found it odd jerri disappeared suddenly after no hint of being upset, so I was trying to figure out if everything was ok. You have your opinions and clearly they won't change. As I said way up above, you are totally off base with your perception of Nokilissa, who I'm sure I know much more than you do, so I'm not surprised your "hunch" concerning me is equally as off the wall.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 6:19 PM

"None of which makes me anti-white. (I am white). "

Which is why I wrote the line "whether its your race or not."

Posting a race-baiting article that simply takes the predictable right wing take on all left wing politics and claims that suddenly now its due to "white privilege", because the left wing politican is black, or half black, doesn't amount to an analysis.

And while you may congratulate yourself on your ability "to see the flip side of things", open-minded is not the same as uncritical acceptance of specious crap.

Posted by: dittoburg at October 13, 2008 6:24 PM

I was not the "faded type guest" you refer to, but I'm guessing that it might have been "Jerri." As I mentioned, there were a few other people at that dinner who all heard the story as well, and it could have been any of them.

I have no reason to say all of this and only brought it up because some of you are meeting.

Your defensive tone and for some reason using Nokilissa in your camp (not a very credible source, as I've already mentioned) does not really bode well. To compare my interactions with her today to yours I've just described above hardly seem similar.

While you can say what you want and end our online cordial interaction, I'd rather lose your support than have someone end up in trouble and know that I could have said something.

Posted by: 11217 at October 13, 2008 6:27 PM

Hhm 11217 & Biff this is getting to be very caustic and plain malicious here folks. Please we are kindly asking for civility and enough with the paranoia already.
We love the both of you but can you guys please take the personal stuff to your specific emails. We don't want you guys to scare off anyone plus we are planning on enjoying that party..well thats if we can make it:)

Posted by: pierre de taille at October 13, 2008 6:44 PM

11217, it's hard to imagine one would get defensive after you've painted them as a potential Jack the Ripper! And I'm not sure why you consider the fact I'm friends with Nokilissa to not bode well. Anyway, you probably are a very decent human being who is just being cautious. And I don't think you were trying to be malicious. I'm just glad the majority of people here are willing and looking forward to getting together on Thursday, including the Brownstoner staff.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 6:45 PM

pierre, taking it to the personal emails is what started all of this in the first place! I agree that the paranoia is out of control :-)

Your point is very well taken. I've said what I wanted to say and the last thing I want is for people to have second thoughts of joining what I expect to be a very festive and warm gathering. I really hope you and your other half can attend, mon ami.

Posted by: Biff Champion at October 13, 2008 6:48 PM

Jack the Ripper...Yikes.

I live about two miles away from the site of the last murder of Son of Sam, but I might still go on Thursday.

Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 13, 2008 7:12 PM

Good Lord. What began as an impassioned and, I daresay, transferential personal attack by 11217 on me - the "clearly" self-entitled princess, who overlooks no opportunity to flaunt her price range (huh?) or disparage hipsters and trustfunders (again, huh? Can you find me a SINGLE example?) - devolved into Townhouselady, with whom I'd never had any kind of issue, snarkily handing me virtual tissues while erroneously concluding I'd not defended myself, was "feigning shock" (could she possibly buttress 11217's perception more?) and using my own half-kidding self-disparagement as disparagement of me, followed by a rapid downward spiral of pure paranoid bunk by 11217 with regard to Biff, who happened to step in to ask WTF with regard to said attack.

This was pleasant. And I truly apologize to all if my initial read on the house or my half- hearted and half kidding attempts at fending off the vitriol being spewed my way (at my family too? C'mon.) has instigated this downward spiral.

Next?

Posted by: Nokilissa at October 13, 2008 7:21 PM

Well, that was fun reading, all I can say, Nokilissa. is that seeing as you get more sex than I do, you deserve it ;).

Don't be too concerned about Townhouselady, after all, she loves AGAs! (also ;) in case anyone's humor-impaired.)

Posted by: cmu at October 13, 2008 7:40 PM

THL- I need wine after this one too! (What wine goes best with Theraflu? I've been imbibing lots of that the past 2 weeks).

and sam! why, I'm touched, although I must correct you. the live cable wires are my hair, yes, fashionably coiled,my superhero outfit is ever so fashionable, although honesty compels me to say that the bustle and farthingale offer a bit too much wind resistance to fly easily. I originally wanted to go with a classic Medusa look but that necessitated scaly yellow bird feet and I just couldn't give up the shoes.

The house is lovely- I love the kitchen but I would do some work in there. Some great old cabinets. Copper farmhouse sink is a yes! But the price is still way out of reach.

Posted by: bxgrl at October 13, 2008 8:12 PM

Hey there Bxgrl. I'm thinking maybe you can do some kind of a Theraflu sangria? Fruit might take the edge off. Farthingale- nice! I had to look that one up

Nokilissa- I didn't hand you tissues snarkily. I meant it humorously. If you re-read it I also gave 11217 valium. I just think that we all ignored the comments because they weren't nice. Rather than escalate it into some "what-like" never ending argument (which seems to have happened anyway) you put it on a virtual mute. Frankly, I was surprised that you took so hard and took other to task for not coming to your defense. Basically what I'm trying (poorly it seems) to say is, does it really matter what 11217 thinks about you?

It was more a comment about keeping the posters and their comments in perspective not holding them and their opinions so close to your heart.

Truce?

Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 13, 2008 8:42 PM

i think this house is lovely and overpriced. i am not a fan of having the kitchen and dining room on seperate floors. i was in a 16-17ft wide house in CH with this set up & b/c the house was narrow the stairs were steep and narrow and just didn't look to be a good set up. they also had a 'den' across from the kitchen and said the layout worked for them - whatever. also not being zoned for 321 is a problem for a family in this price range b/c that is a public-private school.

i know i'm 6 hours late on this but here is my 2 cents on the, biff, 11217, nokilissa drama - i read this site regularly and i don't always have the time or energy to comment. i have been reading this site for over 2 years. i agree almost 1000% with everything 11217 says here today and most days. i do not think he is racist or off base about nokilissa (no offense intended). biff is entertaining. the anonimity (sp) to me makes it more interesting. i know who DIBS is b/c i have seen him several times in the 'hood. i have never gone up to him & said - 'hey aren't you DIBS, i'm bkny'. why? b/c i like it this way. the bottom line is we are all very nosey people - that is why we are here commenting on other peoples home's & lives. if we are looking up strangers on property shark - what makes you think me or someone else is not going to investigate your situation after you meet & become 'friends'. i know what ALL of my friends paid for their homes etc..as i am sure you all do also.

have fun thursday and lighten up!

Posted by: bkny at October 13, 2008 9:14 PM

Mr. B, I think it would be great if you can do the "6 months later" feature with your HOTD, not just the Open House picks. Or maybe you could consolidate a week's worth of HOTD's to do in one 6months later thread. I'd love to see how some of these houses fare 6 months out...

Posted by: Miss Muffett at October 13, 2008 9:27 PM

Jesus, bkny. Yes, no offense taken. It isn't offensive in the least to get your 1000% concurrence with 11217's comments which put me as a rude, snippy, nasty, self-entitled, "incredibly spoiled" princess who has sex constantly with her "perfect" husband (did I say that??). The contrast between this apparently rather common perception of me and my actual self is laughable.

I'll just lighten up. As I'm sure will Biff who was made out to be some sort of virtual predator out to get us and we must, MUST be forewarned.

TownhouseLady: Truce!

Posted by: Nokilissa at October 13, 2008 10:00 PM

Now that everyone is smoking their post-coital cigarette, I'd like to say that I actually prefer the kitchen as is. Somewhere someone made the point that if you could negotiate a price that would let you drop 100k on the kitchen, you'd have exactly what you want.

Best thing about this house, besides the center stair, is the parquet floors. Nice!

Posted by: Bolder at October 13, 2008 10:23 PM

Whoa--looks like I missed some drama here today. Biff--I think I have a bead on where to get name tags near my office.

I really don't think that there is any issue with going and having a few drinks with some folks on the board, especially if blog names are maintained. It will be fun in fact. Hope lots of you can join.

Posted by: wasder at October 14, 2008 12:51 AM

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