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October 22, 2008
A McCain Outpost in Blue Park Slope
Hey, don't assume that Park Slope will go blue on November 4th. Four brownstones on 11th Street are adorned with McCain signs (though residents had to travel to New Jersey to get them). Writes the NY Times, "The election district that includes 11th Street has 643 registered voters: 51 of them Republicans, 452 Democrats, 23 in other parties and 117 who did not list a party. That breakdown is echoed by the overwhelmingly Democratic makeup of Assembly District 52, as well as that of Brooklyn, which voted 79 percent for Senator John Kerry in 2004." The McCain supporters are old school Slopers, writes the Times: residents from long before the Manhattan exodus who say the block was full of Roman Catholics and firemen when they arrived. But donkeys and elephants alike seem to be getting along: old and new, Obama and McCain-lovers. As one Democratic neighbor said about his neighbor's signs, "To me, that says the person’s possibly open to some dialogue.”
An Outpost in the Blue Sea of Brooklyn [NY Times]
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wow, park slope looks so suburban and tropical
Posted by: windsor terrace guy at October 22, 2008 9:10 AM
A friend who canvassed for Kerry in Park Slope told me she met many Republicans in Park Slope. I myself am Republican but I'm voting for Obama, can't stand McCain.
Posted by: infinitejester at October 22, 2008 9:11 AM
I thought Brooklyn was the Borough of Diversity!
Posted by: Polemicist at October 22, 2008 9:14 AM
I thought the election was already over. The papers seem to think it is anyway.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 9:22 AM
It is over. I'm republican as well and voting for Obama.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 9:28 AM
People who put political signs on their lawns, doors, cars, windows, etc... are douches
Do you think that people are going to vote for your candidate because you have a sign on your car?
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 9:37 AM
fsrg...that old PT Barnum line still rings true!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 9:48 AM
fsrg, I generally agree with you, although I thought the Obama-O-lantern was pretty cool. Might not last long once a few ne'er-do-well young Republicans come a trick or treatin'. I'm voting Obama but will miss gems like this if he wins.
COURIC: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?
PALIN: Well, let's see. There's --of course --in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings, that's never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are--those issues, again, like Roe v Wade where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know--going through the history of America, there would be others but--
COURIC: Can you think of any?
PALIN: Well, I could think of--of any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a Vice President, if I'm so privileged to serve, wouldn't be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 9:51 AM
Obama is gonna raise my taxes.
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 9:58 AM
fsrg
It's no different than a gang. This is how democracy always devolves.
Posted by: Polemicist at October 22, 2008 9:58 AM
Oh dammit Biff - I've been trying to put that blither-blather out of my head and there you go bringing it up again!
Sigh, it does my heart good, and restores some of my faith in rational thought to hear about a Republican voting for Obama! Thanks to infintejester and DIBS for brightening my morning!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 10:00 AM
"Obama is gonna raise my taxes."
Must be nice to be rich.
Posted by: northsloperenter at October 22, 2008 10:09 AM
I am afraid that some of us who are ANTI-AMERICAN New Yorkers will get placed in camps during a McCain administration. That is why I support the Socialist who gets advice from the biggest Socialist of all time, Warren Buffet.
Posted by: billyboomer at October 22, 2008 10:13 AM
Rich is always relative. Also, Bloomy or Quinn are going to raise your city income taxes too. If you're in the 250K plus category its going to get very expensive compared to now.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 10:21 AM
"Obama is gonna raise my taxes."
Yeah, and the majority of Americans (and Iraqis and Afghans, etc.) have been doing so well under Bush. We're going to be in so much trouble once he leaves! I guess if that happens, you can organize a Brooklyn Tea Party, moreteasir.
cobblehiller, maybe David Letterman can start a Great Moments in Wannabe Vice Presidential Speeches feature. I can't get enough of those.
Cheers to infintejester and DIBS. If only they lived in Ohio or Florida!
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 10:22 AM
Hey the Northern Kurds and the Marsh Arabs have been doing great!
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 10:24 AM
Ah, what could be said that hadn't been said before? After so many glorious years of the Republican rule, after seeing and hearing the Republican vice presidential nominee and after Republicans publicly declare you less American and less hard working and just less of everything simply because you live in a city, there's only one logical explanation why any city dweller would vote Republican. Ready? HE OR SHE IS A COMPLETE RETARD.
No, I'm not a liberal Democrat or any kind of a Democrat. I'm very much an independent and a centrist when it comes to foreign and fiscal policies. But this country has moved far enough to the right to scare even quite a few moderate Republicans into endorsing That One.
Posted by: heck_of_a_job_brownie at October 22, 2008 10:25 AM
From the current New Yorker, David Sedaris on undecided voters:
"To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. 'Can I interest you in the chicken?' she asks. 'Or would you prefer the platter of sh*t with bits of broken glass in it?'
To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked."
- http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2008/10/27/081027sh_shouts_sedaris
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 10:26 AM
SnarkSlope, that really does sum it all up. Thank you.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 10:30 AM
Ah, but what about those of us who don't get a meal because we are permanent residents. Eh bien.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 10:38 AM
All I said was that my taxes are going to significantly rise under OB-wan-kinobe and I get snide Boom-bam-biff comments. Like I said yesterday, too poor or too rich and you're despised. Eff the damn Iraquis and Afghans, folks in (....wait for it...) Africa has and is still being raped and murdered to this day and no one (including I) is waving a flag for them.
Capitalism is a zero sum game. Money makes your life easier, if you're lucky to have it you're lucky. Changing the rules mid game isn't fair....even if you didn't make varsity biff-bam-boom.
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 10:39 AM
Under Obama's plan the marginal tax rate on amounts earned above $250,000 would go from 36 percent to 39 percent. So if you're making $300,000, the extra amount you pay in taxes is %1500, or an overall increase of one half of one percent of your gross income. If you make %500,000, the extra amount you pay is $7500 or one and one half percent of your gross income. Is that really going to be a material burden for you? What are you *not* going to be able to do under an Obama tax regime that you can't do now? If I make more than $250k next year, I'll just count my blessings. (Now, if you want to complain about capital gains on primary residences, that's something I'll bitch with you about!)
Posted by: ProfRobert at October 22, 2008 10:39 AM
ProfRobert....I made the same calculations as to how much my income might decline under Obama and then decided that its still best for the country and the country's position vis a vis the rest of the world to have Obama as the next president. These are miniscule, non material changes to your standard of living, a cheap price to pay for setting the US on a different course.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 10:43 AM
Okay, let's start over, moreteasir.
"Obama is gonna raise my taxes."
And I care about your taxes being raised, why?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 10:44 AM
Republican or Democrat, right or left...this country is over. Rome is burning, folks.
This website, this city, this country, you, me and everyone in it will cease to exist as we know it.
Soon.
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 10:45 AM
Prof you forgot thast he's also hoping to institiute social security on income above 250K, which, if you are self-employed, eg partners of LLPs, means a chunk because you are paying both employer and employeee contibution.
But in any event, your argument is disingenuous - who wants to pay more taxes than they currently pay.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 10:46 AM
Dave, thanks. That was the point I was trying to make with moreteasir. If Obama's elected, I'll likely pay more taxes too, but I happen to believe it's not just in my own best interest; much more importantly it's in the best interest of the country and most other countries for him to be elected over McCain.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 10:48 AM
Of 116 million American households, 2.24 million had incomes of $250,000 or more. That's fewer than 2 percent of all households, and the highest bracket the Census Bureau tracks. Not much of a margin of swing votes here!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 10:50 AM
Well, I spoke too soon, DIBS does.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 10:50 AM
Yep, the 250K voters won't make a difference.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 10:51 AM
Prodigal Son...your post was eerily "What-like"
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 10:51 AM
"who wants to pay more taxes than they currently pay"
if it means climbing out of the fiscal hole the borrow-and-spend policies have got us into, me.
Posted by: heck_of_a_job_brownie at October 22, 2008 10:51 AM
"I like to pay taxes," said Oliver Wendell Holmes. "With them I buy civilization."
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 10:53 AM
It won't get us out of that hole, it will make it grow more slowly though. US hedge"money" is over.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 10:53 AM
Sarah Palin will be ruling the Senate if she gets elected. never mind what the constitution has to say about that!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 10:56 AM
daveinbedstuy-
I can assure you I am not The What, honestly.
Also, for those who in the past have mistaken my handle for me being a religious zealot, I'm not that either. My belief in apocalypse has nothing to do with religious silliness.
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 10:57 AM
Snarky - you do know that the income tax you pay is the minimum you need to pay? You can write an extra check to the IRS if you want.
Learned man that OWH was, unfortunately only a small portion of our taxes go to what he hoped for. Plenty goes to the military.
Now charitable contributions, they do buy civilization. or acres of rainforest, or medical aid for Africa.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 10:57 AM
I wish her inarticulate flubs were as comical as Reagans.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 10:58 AM
DIBS - you beat me too it - Ever so What-like! Whoa!
PS, dear, what is it that you and What are seeing that I do not see...pray do tell so I can get my 'go bag' together.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 10:59 AM
Point well taken DIBS and Profrobert but it's not just federal....it's also state and local, then I'm phased out on absolutely every possible state and federal bailout one can get! So my actual tax burden rises lots more than the marginal increase projected.
from the IRS as of last October:
The top 1% paid 39% of the total taxes
The top 5% paid 60%
The top 10% paid 70%
The top 25% paid 86%
The top 50% paid 97%, and
The bottom 50% paid only 3% of the total taxes.
To make the top 1%, one needed to earn $364,657; to
make the top 5%, the break point was $145,283; to make
it into the top 10% on needed $103,912; the break for the
top 25% was at $62,068, and for the top 50% the break
came at $30,811.
I'm all for paying my fair share but JESUS CHRIST! I've taken to adding tons of "green" crap to my house just to write shit off.
Listen, I don't expect folks to pull out a violin for me but I pay ALOT in taxes already....and to increase them while everything else I pay increases (RE Taxes also) to pay for Iraqi infrastructure while we have bridges falling here is tough for me to swallow.
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 11:00 AM
"PS, dear, what is it that you and What are seeing that I do not see...pray do tell so I can get my 'go bag' together."
Read some History of the World type books and get back to me.
Gibbons " Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" is a great one, if long.
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 11:02 AM
Moreteasir - you should vote for Forbsey.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:04 AM
Obviously there will be a lot of taxes spent wastfully no matter who gets elected. Nevertheless, it is still possible to get out of a Bush-dug fiscal hole - Slick Willie did it.
Posted by: heck_of_a_job_brownie at October 22, 2008 11:05 AM
moreteasir....I don't disagree with the Iraqi vs. US infrastructure issues. That whole Iraqi mess will continue longer than we think under McCain. If some semblance of rationality is introduced into the leadership of this country then some semblance of rationality will begin to take hold in the markets and we'll all be far better off because of it.
If the stock market were to rise 10% on a lessening of the global fear currently gripping the psychology, believe me, we'll make up in spades the extra 10% we may have to pay in taxes.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:06 AM
Yes, I sometimes wonder how good a shape the US could have gotten into if the republicans hadn't completely stymied Clinton's last term with all that impeachement nonsense about his affair.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:07 AM
"Those who live in the past are doomed to repeat it" Prodigal Son.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:08 AM
Well dittoburg, we did get the useful definition of what conotes "sexual realtions" and what does not!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:09 AM
DIBS, If more Republicans were like you, they might not be as despised. I was totally apathetic 8 years ago. Thanks to GW Bush, I care about politics now!
The Park Slope signs are interesting. I don't see too many around Bklyn and certainly not in Bed Stuy. What about Bay Ridge? I'm curious about "other Brooklyn".
I split my time between BK and Beacon, NY. In years past, I saw enough Bush signs up here and my Kerry lawn signs were stolen a few times. This year, I've seen maybe 2 McCain bumper stickers and not one yard sign. Knock wood. Ok, that's my report from upstate.
FSRQ, I'm one of those douches you speak of. I don't advertise my political views because I think I'm going to sway opinion. I do it to stick it to the right.
Posted by: rh at October 22, 2008 11:11 AM
moreteasir: "to increase them while everything else I pay increases (RE Taxes also) to pay for Iraqi infrastructure while we have bridges falling here is tough for me to swallow."
ok, so you don't want to vote for the Democrats because they're going to raise your taxes to pay for the mess the Republicans got us into (notwithstanding the fact we're likely to be paying for Iraq for a much longer time under McCain). Wow, that sounds like Palin logic!
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 11:12 AM
Uhm, PS, if you and What are correct, aside from work and other things I need to do to maintain on a daily basis, I'm not sure I have time to digest the entire history of the world in time for the apocalypse...why don't you break it down for the 'great unwashed'* among us?
Or are you/the fear mongers hoarding government cheese and walling yourself into your bunkers? Aren't things bad enough? What are you doing to help warn or protect your fellow Brooklynites? Will you be out on the cheese line making sandwiches for people?
*that would be me.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 11:12 AM
yes, it was expensive to resolve that but probably worth it.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:12 AM
"Listen, I don't expect folks to pull out a violin for me but I pay ALOT in taxes already....and to increase them while everything else I pay increases (RE Taxes also) to pay for Iraqi infrastructure while we have bridges falling here is tough for me to swallow."
Agreed. But if your #1 concern is wasting our money in Iraq, the whole argument about taxes - as it relates to this election - becomes a moot point. Not that anyone will perform miracles in terms of our involvement in Iraq, but one candidate CLEARLY wants to leave and the other one CLEARLY wants to throw more good money after the bad. Again, if your argument is that we can't trust anything a politician says, then we have nothing to discuss, as nothing can be established with any amount of certainty. By that logic there's no reason to feel strongly about either candidate and we shouldn't be wasting out time by posting our arguments here.
Posted by: heck_of_a_job_brownie at October 22, 2008 11:15 AM
rh...I also live down in Philadelphia and rural PA. As an aside, NY is my legal residence is now Kings Vounty and I just got my first jury summons. that's gotta be far worse than a colonostomy I assume.
I see a lot more Obama posters in both Philly (expected) but also rural Bucks County. Maybe as you go further west in PA you run into that analogy "Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in the middle!!"
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:15 AM
Biff - thats not illogical. Moretea doesn't want HIS taxes raised. He'd rather get everyone to share the tax burden. And why not - after all, Bush couldn't have got in for two terms if it wasn't for a whole big bunch of middle income earners voting him in.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:16 AM
Biff, you're being outrageously inflammatory and provocative. You're reflective of what's wrong with politics and this blog I'll choose to ignore you.
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 11:17 AM
Cobblehiller - all empires fail. Thats the gist of it.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:18 AM
"outrageously inflammatory and provocative" Hmmm, I see some faulty logic in this statement as it stands let alone how it relates to what Biff posted..
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:19 AM
cobblehiller: "I'm not sure I have time to digest the entire history of the world in time for the apocalypse..."
Sorry, I'm speaking in hyperbole when I say apocalypse. I don't believe the world will end. But America's role as superpower global leader, global cop, global chauffer will end soon, likely in the next 20 years.
I'm not a bunkerist either. But I do live each day, not seeing much life past 20 years or so. Not in America, thats for sure.
I'll be with you in the cheese line.
; )
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 11:20 AM
Moretea, apparently you are also a retard according to brownie (10.25am).
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:20 AM
PS...glad to see that someone can see out 20 years or so. We might want to employ you here at the firm for your crystal ball look into the next 12-18 months!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:23 AM
DIBS - although I'm a great fan of Biff his posts towards moretea are clearly being inflammatory.
Why should I care about you type comments or you are as illogical as (acceptedly dumb) Palin are hardly neutral are they? Moretea was sticking to the facts in his posts as far as I can see.
politics does get us riled up.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:26 AM
Dave, what moreteasir is saying is s/he doesn't have a good answer. That seems to be more indicative of the problem with this blog. But I do appreciate being referred to as provocative. And I always enjoy it when someone posts a statement asserting that they are ignoring you. It's like a 5 year-old child.
ditto, I happen to think Bush stole the first election (via the Florida vote count). Gore actually won the popular vote and Kerry came close in 2004. My point is there were many middle classers that didn't want Bush.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 11:26 AM
I think our recent Kumbaya (sp?) at Union Hall has taken some of the sting out of comments that we've made in the past. For our next outing, I propose that no one knows who each of us are and we do paintball!!!
If I can't at least get a good laugh out of snarky comments here than I'll wind up just offering advice on the Forum posts. That would be a very sad day!!
This is a political post people, crank it up a few notches.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:30 AM
The home depicted in the photograph accompanying the article in the Times was decidedly NOT a brownstone. It was a brick structure. The Times editors goofed on this one.
Posted by: anonymous552 at October 22, 2008 11:31 AM
dave-
"PS...glad to see that someone can see out 20 years or so. We might want to employ you here at the firm for your crystal ball look into the next 12-18 months!!!"
Joke as you will but isn't the consensus here lately that a surprisingly large amount of Brownstoner readers are now looking back at The Whats predictions, once deemed outrageous and crazy, as largely accurate and for the most part, on target?
Again, you have my word I am not The What. But to suggest that America's place in the World is in anything other than a systemic and categorical decline is either ignorant, naive or blind.
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 11:31 AM
So here goes....
Ponder the following:
What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the
stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed,
pregnant teenage daughter?
What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard
Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his
graduating class?
What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a
divorcee?
What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife
after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer
measured up to his standards?
What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a
long affair while he was still married?
What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became
addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally
through her charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The
Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of
corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as
part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)
What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?
What if Obama was the one who had military experience that
included discipline problems and a record of crashing five
planes?
What if Obama was the one who was known to display
publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management
problem?
What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money
from beer distribution?
What if the Obamas had adopted a white child? You could
easily add to this list. If these questions reflected
reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?
Educational Background:
Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a
Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in
Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899
Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:33 AM
Biff, I will respectfully disagree with that somewhat rosy analysis of the 2000 and 2004 election. 50% of people voting for Bush is 40 percentage points too high. Optimistic about this country's future I'm not. So I guess I'm with PS on this one.
Posted by: heck_of_a_job_brownie at October 22, 2008 11:35 AM
What if McCain had an 8 pt lead over Obama?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:36 AM
I do not get the anti-tax/anti-Govt crowd this time around.
Of course I do not want to pay more in taxes (and I will) and of course we have to try to arrange the tax burden in such a way as to limit its anti-growth effects as much as possible but we are FIGHTING TWO WARS and are trying to SAVE THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM. These things cost money and since all these expensive projects are designed to 'save' our society, those that benefit the most from our society have to (and have the most incentive to ) pay. Its simple.
Think about an extreme example - if our society truly collapsed - alot of rich guys would be kicked out of their homes and have their wives taken by some uneducated violent monster under the threat (or use)of force;
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 11:37 AM
Any decline can be reversed PS. No, I don't really think you are the What. The What was predicting the Great Depression all over again. He was not predicting anything vis a vis the stock market. That was DOW8000. Indeed, interest rates have fallen which is supportive of a recovery sooner than if interest rates would rise, which was what he was predicting. Homes are still SELLING here in brooklyn and they are selling for prices that nowhere near reflect the end of the world.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:37 AM
Dave- THANK YOU!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 22, 2008 11:38 AM
DIBS - I'm sure the stock market will recover but you don't seriously think US hegemony will continue to last do you? Regardless of the stock market situation no one country/empire can expect to last forever.
Anyway, even if we do play second fiddle within 20 years, it won't be so bad.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:43 AM
And I do think Bloomberg should be able to run for a third term but that might be my republican side talking.
If you don't want him to win a third term then don't vote for him. You can have a liberal democrat back in charge of NYC with Quinn and see where the crime statistics go then.
Sorry to go off topic!!! Hope I don't start something here. ;)
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:44 AM
"FSRQ, I'm one of those douches you speak of. I don't advertise my political views because I think I'm going to sway opinion. I do it to stick it to the right." - rh
Doesn't that explanation make you a douche?????
and that ignores the fact that generally in places like NYC, your sign simply leads any thinking right-leaning person to conclude you are a moronic sheep who likes to engage in empty gestures (i.e. you are sticking it to no one).
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 11:46 AM
I'm voting for Charles Barron, he's the guy to be in charge.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:47 AM
Mr. B's cunning plan to elicit a 100+ post is working.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:48 AM
"in places like NYC, your sign simply leads any thinking right-leaning person to conclude you are a moronic sheep who likes to engage in empty gestures"....fsrq...no it's just a sign that says who you support. Christ, what a line of crap that was.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:49 AM
"Bloomberg... If you don't want him to win a third term then don't vote for him."
We already did, by TWICE voting for term limits.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 11:49 AM
If he posted something with a pic of a hot chica he'd get another 200!!!! Just make sure there's an equally hot chico in the background!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:50 AM
Snark...the polls show that despite people being against a third term, over 80% of them would vote for Bloomberg!!!!! This is some kind of nonsense!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:52 AM
Perhaps you should send him a suitable pic - if Mr B is like me he wouldn't know a hot chico from a hot dog. I'm blind as to what makes an attractive male over a run of the mill male. My wife swears I'm making it up, but I really can't see it.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 11:53 AM
snarkslope - Who is "we"??
why should the voters of a previous generation determine who may run for office in later generations?
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 11:53 AM
well said fsrq
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:54 AM
"why should the voters of a previous generation determine who may run for office in later generations?"
Well, then, he can put the matter before the voters, not a bunch of other political hacks who would also like the removal of term limits.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 11:55 AM
I'd love to know the back room politics and horse trading that's going on to get this term limit vote to pass!!! Even Peter vallone is for it now!! What did Bloomie promise him???
I think Bloomberg, being the billionaire businessman that he is feels like he's wading in sewage when it comes to dealing with these career politicians...slimy little Sheldon Silver at the top of the list.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 11:58 AM
Which fool really thinks McCain wont raise everyone's taxes? Same with Obama. This election, perhaps more than any others, will see the tax promises of the winner be the first promise to meet its end at the hands of reality. We, as a country, are deep in the shit. No amount of trickle down or trickle up is going to get us out. We need money to pay for infrastructure improvements, money to fight wars, money to improve education, money to fund new energy policy, money to fix the financial mess, the list goes on and on.
Rich people moan about their proportinate burden, but take a closer look at the burden on the middle class and the poor: there is no room for much more of an increase in their taxes. We rely on them to drive the economy, but they need disposable income. The rich have far more room than anyone else. Indeed, many of them will not even notice the increase, as noted above. Reagan had to go back and increase taxes on the rich, Bush Sr, and Clinton too. It makes sense because it is the only true option, and even then the rich didnt suddenly become poor. They did well when the middle class got stronger.
Posted by: Guvna at October 22, 2008 11:59 AM
daveinbedstuy - who CARES who you support - I didnt ask and I dont care and why are you so intent on telling everyone????
Do you also have a "I Support the Troops" metallic ribbon on your car? or a "Give Peace a Chance" bumper sticker?
These 'signs' are totally empty gestures that DO NOTHING and simply are a cry for attention by the idiots who engage in them. Instead of wasting your time with signs - try voting, paying your taxes, sitting for jury duty and quietly give to a worthwhile charity.
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 12:00 PM
Are you campaigning for the nobel prize in economics?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:02 PM
Go to hell fsrq. I probably pay more taxes than you, I do vote, give to charities and will serve on jury duty.
What is this obsession you have with the signs?? I can't begin to imagine what happened to you as a child for you to harp on this the way you do.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:04 PM
SnarkSlope - yeah I guess another referendum would be 'better' process - but since it would have to be a special election and very few would vote, I'm not sure that it would be that much more 'legitimate' anyway.
I do find it interesting that people supporting NYC term limits seem to feel that the peoples choice (vote) is so sacrosanct, when you consider that the vote in question is one designed to REPLACE voting (choice) with a legal processes.....
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 12:06 PM
I'd like to know if my charities are worthwhile.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:06 PM
"Snark...the polls show that despite people being against a third term, over 80% of them would vote for Bloomberg!!!!! This is some kind of nonsense!!!!"
It's not nonsense. It's about the democratic process. Bloomberg wanted to "win" a third term not through another popular election, but through the vote of a City Council stacked with his cronies. Talk about a predetermined outcome. Why should any politician - particularly one who has previously supported term limits quite explicitly - have the ability to subvert the process when voters have TWICE voted for term limits? If 80% of NYers will vote for Bloomberg, than there's no problem - let's have a vote. But a back-room deal to usurp the people's express will stinks.
Posted by: East New York at October 22, 2008 12:08 PM
I'm not obsessed with signs - I just think that people who put these political signs up are douches......
Just like I do not care (as I walk down your block or drive behind you) what your political views are....why do you care what I think of your signs?
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 12:09 PM
He won't win a third term through the council He will win it through the election and the polls currently say that he will. Q.E.D.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:11 PM
Term limits should apply to Sheldon Silver. Perhaps thats what people thought they were voting about.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:11 PM
"I'm not obsessed with signs - I just think that people who put these political signs up are douches......"
Ummm, I think that statement speaks for itself. But, giving you the benefit of the doubt, what else would constitute a "douche?"
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:13 PM
I don't know why people get so hett up about Bloomy, who is pretty transparent in his dealings, when city council member's slush funds eat up city taxes and the mob in Albany are no less corrupt than the guys who used to run the docks.
I wish people would get so motivated when it came to non-mayoral politicians.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:14 PM
Even in all my years living in Chicago (1978-1994) I've never seen a slimier, more divisive politician than Sheldon Silver.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:14 PM
"He won't win a third term through the council He will win it through the election and the polls currently say that he will. Q.E.D."
Huh? Bloomberg doesn't WANT an election, and furthermore there is NO election scheduled. Bloomberg has been seeking to pass a City Council resolution to change the term limits law and AVOID a vote. The Council will vote on this Thursday. RIF.
Posted by: East New York at October 22, 2008 12:19 PM
ENY, get a grip. He can't have his term extended. he has to be voted back in. reality check.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:21 PM
No, hes going to be el Presidente for life, with Stalin Palin as his chief of police.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:23 PM
what else would constitute a "douche?"
Lots of things but off the top of my head....
Adults who buy clothes and accessories as a reflection their politics - i.e. the Birkenstock wearing, Saab SUV driving schmucks
People who stop a cab on a one-way street and only THEN start looking for their money (and backup traffic) as thought they didnt notice the large meter telling them WELL IN ADVANCE how much cash they will need to pay.
People who make up lame excuses (as thought they are so busy) to get out of the SINGLE civic duty our country asks you to perform - jury duty
I can think of many more but that should get you started.
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 12:24 PM
"we are FIGHTING TWO WARS"
No, we are paying for two very costly (in terms of money and lives) INVASIONS.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 12:24 PM
oh also people who cant spell
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 12:26 PM
How about people who use the phrase "hate on" instead of the word hate. Thats douchey.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:28 PM
What about propper grammar, punctuation and capitalization?
Posted by: heck_of_a_job_brownie at October 22, 2008 12:29 PM
People who park cars taking up two spots instead of one. That's douchey nonpareil.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:30 PM
Democrats and republicans are douches thats for sure.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:31 PM
ditto, thanks for the compliment (sincerely). I just get riled up when someone boils it down to "Obama will raise my taxes". I think it is selfish, yes selfish, to boil down your voting decision to that. And even if one chooses to be selfish, higher taxes can ultimately be used for the greater good, which will likely benefit the taxpayer in the end. Moreover, as another poster pointed out, do we really think McCain isn't going to raise taxes? Look at countries with higher personal and business tax rates, such as Canada. To me, the standard of living there for all citizens far surpasses the U.S., as clearly does their image in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 12:31 PM
Obama's "shifting of wealth" as he himself put it to Joe the Plumber, will be the hammer that turns our current recession into a major depression.
Despite Obama's grand utopian dreams, folks with money are the ones who hire those without money. And he has the nerve to brag that his tax increases will only apply to companies that make over $250k a year, as if everybody works at a corner deli or something. It's a load of crap.
It's funny. I'm a Democrat and was equally sickened when Bush Jr. was elected both times.
Right wing fanatics and left wing fanatics are no different. It's a national disaster that Hillary lost.
McCain may be old and Palin may not be too bright, but they're both a hell of a lot closer to the center than Obama is.
A year or two from now, you folks will be regretting jumping on the Messiah bandwagon bigtime, and I'm not even talking about those of you will will be unemployed.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 22, 2008 12:36 PM
fsrq...i couldn't agree more with the taxi analogy...as well as people who wait until they are told the final amount in the grocery store checkout before they start to dig around for their money. Apparently you and I aren't as far apart as I thought.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:36 PM
Dave, you beat me to the grocery store pet peeve, in addition to those about to go through airport security who wait until the last minute to find their boarding passes and passports.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 12:39 PM
Yeah but I bet CanadaOnline isn't as good as AOL.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:39 PM
And those who drive slow in the fast lane or get to the immigration booth without the forms filled out.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:42 PM
DIBS - are you the douche that drives inches from my back fender on the BQE?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:46 PM
I think people who can't have an informed conversation without being offensive are douches. I now call my douche Biff Champion.
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 12:48 PM
I would if you were driving too slow ditto...and that would make you the douche. I however don't keep a car up here, only down in PA.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:50 PM
fsrq, you're so full of it. Jury "duty" is the single most stupid thing invented by the legal system. It's indentured servitude.
I work for myself; if I spend 2 weeks (or any time) on jury "duty" I love substantial sums of money. Why on earth should I do it, especially since those with most regular jobs still get paid? If those $300/hr lawyers would contribute to my shortfall, I might do it, albeit still with bad grace.
In the meantime, I will continue to tell the judge when "duty" calls that I cannot in good conscience follow his directions, I must obey my own instincts. The fact that this happens to be mostly true makes it more of a balm when it works.
Posted by: cmu at October 22, 2008 12:51 PM
"ENY, get a grip. He can't have his term extended."
Dave, learn to read. That's exactly what he's trying to do - change the term limits law to alow B-berg to extend his stay to a third term.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/nyregion/22termlimits.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin
Posted by: East New York at October 22, 2008 12:52 PM
I think people who ask for money on the train or break dance while I'm riding to work are douches. I now call them Biff Champions.
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 12:52 PM
You had the high ground until that point, now you're just a name caller too.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:53 PM
I think people who try to guilt other people into having their vrews are douches. I now call Biff Champion.....uh...
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 12:54 PM
moreteasir...you get pretty offensive here yourself from time to time. But, more importantly, since your profile says your male, what do you use your douche for?? Never mind, I know all about it bottom boy.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:54 PM
I think people who carry a thread from one that was about political parties to one that analyzes the meaning of the wprd "douche" are um, douches.
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 12:55 PM
I never calimed not to be ditto...at least I'm not an asshole about it.
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 12:55 PM
ENY...you're a real douce...he won't automatically get shunted into a third term..he has to "pursue it" as the article said. That means there'll be an election and he will have to win by a majority of votes by the citizens of NYC.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 12:58 PM
CMU, werent you urguing tax increases for the rich in earlier posts this year? So you want other people to give up their cash for the greater good but you won't give it up yourself?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 12:59 PM
"Biff, you're being outrageously inflammatory and provocative. You're reflective of what's wrong with politics and this blog I'll choose to ignore you."
moreteasir, you should have re-read your own quote before posting the last five or so. Hypocritical much?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 1:01 PM
Whether or not one is an asshole is usually up to the beholder.
Why aren't we using the old style "douchebag" anymore instead of the abbreviated "douche" Yes, I know the two mean different things in reality but this is a blog about historic brownstones and I think we should try to retain more historic integrity to our name calling.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:02 PM
Its the 33% gain in typing productivity we've gotten since dropping "bag".
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 1:04 PM
And moreteasir, that's now three times that you've mentioned me after you chose to ignore me. Glad to see I'm firmly under your skin, darlin'.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 1:06 PM
Productivity gains aren't always such a good thing. Usually the little fuy, those that make less than $250,000 are hurt by our corporations strive for greater productivity.
Look at the auto business. GM, Ford & Chrysler have always strived for higher productivity and the unions have consistently been against it. And now the union guys are losing their jobs hand-over-fist. Douchebags!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:07 PM
Ironballs- "It's a national disaster that Hillary lost."
Seriously? A national DISASTER?
I'm not looking for a fight and I'm not calling you a female hygiene product but how is any candidate losing a national DISASTER?
How different is Hilary from Obama or McCain in the long run?
Back to the original subject I guess...
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 1:07 PM
cmu - please be sure to save your 12:51 post to read in the future, especially if you should find yourself a$$ raped and then testifying against your attacker in front a jury of uneducated, disinterested ne'er-do-wells because all the qualified citizens felt that a few days (the majority of cases) every 6 YEARS was too much of a self-sacrifice to maintain a civil society
- OH and ditto the above if one day you as a self-employed person finds the need to avail yourself of our civil justice system because someone won't pay, discriminated against you, broke a contract or simply runs you over with their car and you can no longer work.....
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 1:08 PM
Ummmm because it would really be Bill running the country again
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:09 PM
"And moreteasir, that's now three times that you've mentioned me after you chose to ignore me. Glad to see I'm firmly under your skin, darlin'."
Now work on getting into my tax bracket.
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 1:09 PM
mreteasir...he lives in Brooklyn heights, not Crown Heights!!! I think he's already there.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:11 PM
"Now work on getting into my tax bracket."
Thanks moreteasir. Usually I would have to think of a comeback to make you look foolish, but your quote did it for me. Experience has shown that people who talk about how much money they have rarely have much.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 1:16 PM
"ENY...you're a real douce...he won't automatically get shunted into a third term..he has to "pursue it" as the article said. That means there'll be an election and he will have to win by a majority of votes by the citizens of NYC."
Who said he would "automatically get shunted into a third term?" You did, not me.
You also said:
"He won't win a third term through the council He will win it through the election and the polls currently say that he will. Q.E.D."
To what election are you referring? There's no election slated. Sigh...explaining this to you has become tiresome. I could call you names, too, but really, what's the point?
Posted by: East New York at October 22, 2008 1:17 PM
Wow...very dense ENY. Tell me you don't really think that this council referendum will extend Bloomberg's term in office without an election. Please tell me you don't believe that.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:20 PM
oh ok, Since you live in Bedstuy I assume you make 50k a year. Giving the guy a reach around cause you met doesn't mean he's not a douche.
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 1:22 PM
ENY...the election will be in 2009.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:23 PM
East New York
There will be an election in 2009.
C'mon dude...
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 1:26 PM
moreteasir...I was waiting for that. I would have bought something for $2-3 million elsewhere but I already have three other homes in MA and PA plus a 1,500 sq. ft. shop for my car collection. I pioneered in neighborhoods throughout my life in Chicago and enjoy doing it again after a very boring, but very profitable 10 years in a condo on the UES.
Besides, no one making $50k a year can afford a Bed Stuy property, unfortunately. Your grasp of economic reality really seems to be slipping.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:26 PM
moreteasir at 11:17am:
"Biff, you're being outrageously inflammatory and provocative. You're reflective of what's wrong with politics and this blog I'll choose to ignore you."
moreteasir, at 1:22pm:
"oh ok, Since you live in Bedstuy I assume you make 50k a year. Giving the guy a reach around cause you met doesn't mean he's not a douche."
moreteasir, that's now six comments you've posted since choosing to ignore me. You really should do something about this little obsession you have. You just can't stay away.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 1:27 PM
We have met. He's not a douche. If he were I would call him one.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:27 PM
This thead had 73 comments when I went to lunch, and now that I'm back it has 135+.
Meatball marinara on honey oat at Subway, by the way. Thanks for asking.
Posted by: infinitejester at October 22, 2008 1:27 PM
wow...incredibly bad taste infinitejester...meatball marinara is great but on honey oat???? Honey oat is for breakfast for god's sake. :)
get ready for a real spray of douche name calling. LOL
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:31 PM
Nothing like politics to bring out the opinions. Haven't seen this in awhile. Loved your comments at 11:33am Dave, thanks! I predict over 200 before the day is out, easy.
Posted by: czar at October 22, 2008 1:32 PM
Remember moreteasir's quote that started it all:
"Obama is gonna raise my taxes."
This coming from the same guy claiming to be the Bill Gates of Brownstoner. It's surprising that one claiming to be as wealthy as moreteasir would be so worried about paying a bit more in taxes.
infinitejester, no reference to the fixins'? You're going to just leave us hanging like that?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 1:34 PM
Keep going, boys and gals...I'm loving the read.
Another 75+ posts before this thread starts wearing its course, even though I'm starting to see strain.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 22, 2008 1:38 PM
...and neither does his location (nor mine) describe our tax status as you suggest.
He's a douche. I made a comment about OB's tax policy and he went over the top.
Posted by: moreteasir at October 22, 2008 1:38 PM
You can hardly taste the honey. I chose it for the extra fiber.
Posted by: infinitejester at October 22, 2008 1:38 PM
I had chicken pot pie soup.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:38 PM
Is that what you call a homemade chicken pot pie that went wrong?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 1:39 PM
Kinda. I was dismayed at the amount of chicken as well. Kinda annoying like moreteasir.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:41 PM
"You can hardly taste the honey. I chose it for the extra fiber." QOTD!!
I had a BLT on multi-grain - sorry BRG - I splurged! $3.25!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 1:42 PM
What did you choose the meatball marinara for? The antioxidants in the red sauce? And please don't tell me you call it "gravy" like they do in Philly!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:44 PM
I believe folks that "douche" and the more formal "douche bag" have been recently replaced by "douche nozzle".
Posted by: IMBY at October 22, 2008 1:44 PM
I go to the Subway in Ginza when I've been in Japan too long and I need a white trash sandwich fix. I always get the turkey on white with lettuce, tomato and provolone and the Japanese look at me funny when I ask for both mayo and oil& vinegar.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:46 PM
moreteasir, I hope you're better at making money than you are at ignoring me :-)
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 1:47 PM
I got wasted last night, and I wanted something greasy and salty.
Posted by: infinitejester at October 22, 2008 1:49 PM
moreteasir at 1:22pm: "oh ok, Since you live in Bedstuy I assume you make 50k a year."
moreteasir at 1:38pm: "...and neither does his location (nor mine) describe our tax status as you suggest."
There's no end to the hypocrisy...
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 1:49 PM
Whats Obama's position on lycopene?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 1:49 PM
I believe he's pro-Lycopene but only if it's served with arugula.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 1:51 PM
"I got wasted last night, and I wanted something greasy and salty."
McCain/Palin should fit the bill.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 1:53 PM
Best to ask an old time Brooklyn Italian ditto.
My two favorite red sauces are the one that I make with lamb bones and the one I make with wild boar. Don't even get me started on the meatballs.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:54 PM
He should be careful, arugula-type elitism doesn't play well with Joe Sixpack. He should stick to iceberg or something bland.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 1:55 PM
Best cure for a hangover is Shanghai Hot & Sour Soup. Its just a shame that we can't readily get it here with the chicken blood like in Hong Kong. Speaking of which, we haven't seen Wonton here in a few months.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:56 PM
Has Joe the Plumber gotten his license and paid his back taxes yet???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 1:58 PM
"I got wasted last night, and I wanted something greasy and salty."
...something greasy and salty....hmmm....
...my mind wanders...
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 22, 2008 2:02 PM
I also went into Barnes and Noble. I noticed a book called "The Works: Anatomy of a City" by Kate Ascher, about how the city runs. Like, how mail gets picked up and sorted, how snow is plowed, and a whole host of civil services. It looks pretty cool; I will probaby buy it tonight. Here's a link:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Works/Kate-Ascher/e/9780143112709/?itm=1
Posted by: infinitejester at October 22, 2008 2:03 PM
Salty, yes. Greasy? I've never had it and found it to be greasy.
What's going to generate 200 posts after the election??
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 2:05 PM
"...Shanghai Hot & Sour Soup. Its just a shame that we can't readily get it here with the chicken blood..."
Careful there Dave, you might make infintejester barf!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 2:05 PM
Just wondering jester...why didn't you buy it when you saw it and now have to go back again. Are you going to have this cognitive dissonance when you're in the voting booth??
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 2:06 PM
Just in......
Obama holds a 14 point lead over Republican presidential
nominee McCain in a Pew Research Center poll released today. The survey, taken from Oct. 16-19, shows Obama supported by 52 percent of registered voters and McCain backed by 38 percent.In late September, the Pew poll showed Obama with a 7 percentage point lead.
A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll put Obama's support at 52 percent of voters to McCain's 42 percent, the biggest lead Obama has had over McCain in the poll since both men won their parties' nominations. The survey, conducted from Oct. 17-20, had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.9 percentage points.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 2:10 PM
Longest thread since the days of guest posting?
Posted by: brownstoner at October 22, 2008 2:18 PM
That's just how I avoid having buyer's remorse...
Posted by: infinitejester at October 22, 2008 2:20 PM
bitter book buyer
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 2:22 PM
Mr B I'm sure there'll be a longer one on Monday if you post something on the election!!!!
Besides, Sarah still has a few more public appearances.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 2:24 PM
This just in:
Papers Filed to Block Term Limits Vote
Two City Council members filed a petition Wednesday morning in State Supreme Court seeking a restraining order that would bar the Council from voting Thursday on a bill that would allow Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and most of the city’s elected officials to serve a third four-year term.
The petition also asks the court to reverse a ruling made by the New York City Conflicts of Interest Board last week that allows Council members to modify, extend or abolish term limits even if they will directly benefit from the change.
...
There are 51 people in the Council; 35 of them are serving their second term and will have to give up their seats if term limits are not expanded. The Council is scheduled to vote on the mayor’s bill on Thursday, unless the courts decide to grant the restraining order.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 2:27 PM
Simple solution Snark. If they have the votes, they should move up the vote to today!!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 2:30 PM
Simpler solution: crown Bloomberg and eliminate this tedious veneer of democracy altogether.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 2:32 PM
Of course Obama will win. The idiots of this country want CHANGE!
Too bad CHANGE will drive jobs to China by the millions.
Obama and his goal of "spreading around the wealth" is exactly what this country does not need right now. Obama's promises to create "hundreds of thousands of government sponsored union jobs in alternative energy" if executed, will be the biggest waste of tax payer money since the Iraq war.
Many of the same idiots that voted for Bush are now voting for Obama because once again they want CHANGE. In fact, Obama is Bush in sheep's clothing, just with different window dressing.
Instead of a pointless Mideast war, we'll get massive increased taxation of big business, subsequent systemic job loss and years of sever economic depression.
The majority of the folks in this country are frankly too damn stupid to understand the fragility of our economy right now. The idiot masses think Obama the CHANGE candidate will fix things since he's so different from Bush .
What a load of crap!
Breadlines here we come.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 22, 2008 2:34 PM
I see NickelNuts is blathering on again.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 2:36 PM
World Series Teaches More Than Election Debate...
this is an interesting Bloomberg editorial...Bloomberg the news service, not the man...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ajhjkQ4BcZMg
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 2:37 PM
Hey TinTesticles...tell us why McCain will be better.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 2:38 PM
snark - don't you think it is a bit ironic (if not hypocritical) to argue against overturning term-limit restrictions on the grounds that such action would be against the democratic choice of (a past) electorate - when the measure being overturned is one that essentially limits democratic choice in the 1st place?
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 2:40 PM
NickelNuts: that was beautiful Snark. Have I told you how much I love you lately?
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 2:40 PM
Ironballs-
You have yet to explain why Hilary losing was a national DISASTER.
How is Hilary that different than Obama?
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 2:40 PM
No fsrg, I do not. If the term limit issue were being put before the electorate, that would be a different story.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 2:43 PM
I know I shouldn't but...
Ironballs (ignoring Obama's word choice for a sec) - can you tell me what about allowing (non-rich) people to keep more of the money they earn while asking (rich) people to contribute more of the money they earn is "spreading the wealth"?
Progressive taxation=yes
Redistribution= please explain?
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 2:44 PM
Snark - thanks for your well reasoned, detailed and informative answer
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 2:45 PM
You're welcome, fsrg. It was every bit as "well reasoned" as your question.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 2:52 PM
Did anyone catch the McCain/Palin Nazi reference they did on Family Guy? Yikes!!!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/40138/family-guy-mccain-palin-button#s-p1-st-i1
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 22, 2008 2:55 PM
"Longest thread since the days of guest posting?" Something for all of us to one day tell our grandkids. We were a part of it!
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 2:56 PM
Erastus Corning was mayor of Albany for 44 years. Term limits shmerm limits. If you don't want someone to win another term then don't vote for him.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 2:58 PM
And Mayor McCheese has been around since 1973.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 3:00 PM
polls schmolls. theyre now tied according to AP:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93VM4PO0&show_article=1
kerry was up 7pts at voting time.
Posted by: goldie at October 22, 2008 3:01 PM
And the Mayor of Munchkin Land since 1939.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 3:03 PM
Joseph Fitzpatrick Fitzgerald Fitzhenry "Joe" Quimby,[1] a.k.a. "Diamond Joe" Quimby of the Simpson's has been in office since 1986.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at October 22, 2008 3:12 PM
FOR all you pussys who are afraid that you will pay $3500 more in Taxes on your $300,000 salary. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU and FUCK YOU.
Posted by: billyboomer at October 22, 2008 3:12 PM
Ok Dave,
McCain is pretty much in the middle politically and he believes less government is better government. He's got a proven track record to back up his rhetoric.
Obama has lots and lots of promises to spend tax payer money, which he keeps changing, for that matter, and no record to back up his words. He's made zero significant changes to this country as a US Senator and McCain has made many. Throughout McCain's career he's proven himself to be one of the most non-party affiliated senators in the entire senate. Folks buy up Obama's McBush bs, but McCain is nothing like Bush and never has been.
Regarding social equality issues, in one of the recent debates when asked whether he believed in gay marriage, Obama repeated McCain's answer practically verbatim. And of course McCain placated the conservative right by picking Palin, but who seriously thinks abortion will ever be outlawed in this country?
If you folks believe free market capitalism and low taxes for all are important to the future of this country, McCain is the clear choice. If you think people who are financially successful should subsidize those who aren't, to the detriment of jobs and economic growth, vote for Obama.
It's a very simple choice.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 22, 2008 3:14 PM
Glad to have someone step in and add a note of sobriety to what has become a downward spiral here billyboomer.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 3:14 PM
In reality Balls, the tax rates are not going to change substantially or quickly. I don't think that taxes are a major issue here.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 3:18 PM
Scary part is, that might be the first thing billyboomer and I agree on!
IronBalls, "McCain has voted with President Bush 100% of the time in 2008 and 95% of the time in 2007." How is he different again?
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 3:20 PM
billyboomer - I'm voting for Obama so you can f-off yourself - but......
the increased tax liability is likely to be much higher - more like $15,000 on my 300,000 salary b/c (while unclear) it does appear that Obama supports lifting the salary cap on Social Security Taxes (6.2%)
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 3:22 PM
fsrq - did you seriously ask that question at 2.44 or did you have a momentary aberration in your logical though processes?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 3:22 PM
Balls - how does your 3:14pm analysis hold up if McCain doesnt make it through his term (death or disability) and Palin becomes president?
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 3:25 PM
fsrq - Bloomy/ or Quinn intend to raise city income taxes too.
Salaried NYCers will have the highest marignal rates in the country.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 3:26 PM
BB will still be envious no matter what, theres no cure from political events for that, it has to come from within.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 3:27 PM
ditto - no I asked it. Where is the redistribution part of Obama's tax plan that old Ironballs is referring. I see the increased collection part, just not any additional redistribution, but maybe I missed it.
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 3:28 PM
dittoburg, Advocating paying a "fair" tax rate on high earnings is somewhat different than being penalized by not being to earn anything for weeks. I'll gladly Obama's income tax rates if I'll lucky enough to be in that bracket.
fsrq, more specious stuff. If you notice, most people on juries are of a certain demograpic: older, retired, working for big companies etc. It's idiotic to say that my "right" to a fair trial would be abrogated if people like me don't serve. Believe me, you don't want me on your jury.
Posted by: cmu at October 22, 2008 3:30 PM
i have to agree with nickelnuts (great great name).
if he taxes businesses hard enough, they WILL look elsewhere to set up shop. same thing happened on a citywide scale in nyc in the 70s. all the businesses left and look what happened. i believe mccain used ireland as an example in one of the debates. businesses are only taxed 11% there, compared to 30+ here. keep raising it and they will go.
that being said.. i still cant vote for mccain, and i'm a republican. the dude just scares me. but obamas economic plan also scares me. this is just a lose/lose situation. obama being the lesser of the losers.
Posted by: RobertMosesJr at October 22, 2008 3:30 PM
The lowest tax rates won't change. There will be no "take from the rich and give to the poor."
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 3:30 PM
RobertMosesJr, unfortunately you're right. Elections are, for the most part, choosing the lesser of two evils.
"The only thing we learn from new elections is we learned nothing from the old." - American Proverb
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 3:34 PM
City/State taxes are (sort of-AMT and all) deductible - so that offsets some of the increase and we already have the highest marginal tax rate - so whats the difference.
The point is simple - unless someone proposes to 1. drastically reduce the military and end both wars or 2. Drastiaclly cut back on Social Security and Medicare benefits (or age eligibility) - taxes are not going to be lowered and SOMEONE has to pay. - 71% of the budget is Defense, SS/Medicare and interest.
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 3:34 PM
The lowest tax rates won't change. There will be no "take from the rich and give to the poor."
No, but there might be some take from the rich and pay down the debt! or rebuild the infrastructure or invest in alternative energy or education! Ah yes, and that would be lovely!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 3:36 PM
If the government wants to keep spending the same (or increase it), and therefore needs to collect the same amount of money in taxes, by reducing the amount of taxes group A pays (95% of taxpayers under BOs plan) and increasing the amount of taxes B pays (the reminder) it has effected a wealth redistribution and maintained its spending amount. The 95% now have more money to spend/save than they had before and the 5% has less. Thats wealth redistribution.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 3:36 PM
CMU - you're deciding what is "fair" of course.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 3:38 PM
fsrq...or we could go the Argentina route which is what's causing all the market turmoil around the world today.
Yes, we are the most highly taxed people in the country. The real estate giveback will end and RE taxes may go up further. We're lucky we're in Brooklyn and not in Manhattan on that one!!!
The ending of Iraq will be a big issue on resolving the budget. As harsh as it sounds, times have changed and we ought to just pull out. I know we're America and can't do anything of the sort but are there truly going to be more terrorists? Besides, then we can pal up closer to Iran and they have more oil!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 3:39 PM
So when Obama says he is going to reduce taxes for 95% he not telling the truth?
What's the story here?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 3:39 PM
210 and counting on this thread. Last thread that got this long concerned speculation as to where fictional Sex and the City characters might want to live if they were looking for apartments in Brooklyn. For all we like to talk about real estate, it's really sex and politics we want to talk about, apparently, as long as there is some putative connection to real estate (or was that real estate, with a putative connection to sex).
Anyway, I've voted Republican exactly once in my life (and not for president) and do not plan to do so in this election. But I'm glad my nearby neighbors on 11th Street feel good about displaying McCain signs. I noticed the block on my way to the subway the other day. From the article, they seem like good neighbors and that's what matters. There are too few places left in the U.S. where people with differing political views communicate meaningfully with each other. My 11th Street Republican friends have, perhaps unwittingly, created such a space on their block. If people could dial back the invective just a wee bit more, this website would be such a place, too.
Posted by: slopefarm at October 22, 2008 3:40 PM
I have no problem with that cobblehiller. The overall effect will be positive on the economy and the stock market and like I said very much earlier, a 10-20% bounce in the stock market will make me far more wealthy than a 10% increase in my taxes would hurt.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 3:41 PM
CMU - other than taxes what on earth does you country/community ask you to do?
I may not want you on a jury (and so you'll be released after 1 or 2 days) but you being eligible allows for a broader pool (and potentially better jury)
Further I never said that you wouldnt get a 'fair trial"; I am just saying that if everyone had your attitude (and unfortunately too many do) the trier of fact in your potential case will likely be dumber, less interested and likely more biased. Not only will that stink if you were a crime victim, but it will suck even more if your business needs to settle a dispute in court, especially if the case requires some brain power to figure out.
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 3:41 PM
None of them actually tell the truth dittoburg. That's why their called politicians.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 3:44 PM
dittoburg - wealth redistribution generally refers to taking $ from one group and DISTRIBUTING it to another...what you describe is simply variable tax rates.
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 3:45 PM
"I have no problem with that cobblehiller. The overall effect will be positive on the economy and the stock market and like I said very much earlier, a 10-20% bounce in the stock market will make me far more wealthy than a 10% increase in my taxes would hurt."
Perfect DIBS! You go take yourself on a nice vacation too, and keep making money so you can pay your taxes!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 3:50 PM
cobblehiller - I like the cut of your jib. BTW, you're making my bf jealous, heh heh.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 3:53 PM
I think you're getting hungup on a single defintion of "redistribution". Were you expecting Obama to go round to Ironballs' house, force him to hand over 10 bucks, and then take it down to CMU's garrett?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 3:53 PM
cobblehiller if you believe that McCain will not have to raise taxes then you are living in a dream world.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 3:55 PM
Besides, the Democratic controlled House and Senate will just ram it through anyway. he will have no veto power
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 3:57 PM
Oh Snarkslope, we can't go on like this...we'll upset Better Half...
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 3:57 PM
At least whoever gets in won't be taking instructions from God, like the incumbent.
I'm guessing that the God thats been sending the messages is Kali.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 4:02 PM
Sorry Prodigal Son,
In her husband's presidency and in her own two term Senate career, we have a very good map for what kind of a President Hillary would have been -- a centrist; liberal on social issues, middle of the road on fiscal ones.
Obama is far left of Hillary politically. His entire agenda is based on raising taxes on individuals and businesses that are the most successful. His campaign promises are a punch in the face to those striving for the American dream. Earn it and we'll take it from you! What kind of American dream is that?
If you look beyond Obama's charm and good looks, all that remains are promises to give people things that were earned by other people. . . that and plans to waste taxpayer money to develop government jobs in "wind, solar, and hydro power." Feel good promises that in reality are simply massive tax payer theft and government waste.
Seriously, you folks all live in NYC don't you? When's the last time you walked into a government agency like the Department of Buildings that wasn't the most mismanaged wasteful circus you ever saw?
Unlike Hillary, Obama doesn't understand how important low taxes and non-protectionist free market capitalism is to this country's prosperity, or maybe he doesn't care. Maybe he just wants to "shift around the wealth" as he told Joe the Plumber last week.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 22, 2008 4:03 PM
Huh DIBS? I think that either candidate would have to raise taxes, but I'm a downer that way.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 4:03 PM
Yes cobblehiller...I think there was some mutual misunderstanding on what we were both posting to each other. I'm a downer on any increase in taxes but right now its necessary. Lets just hope it doesn't get out of control.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 4:07 PM
no ditto I am not "hung-up" on a single definition of "redistribution", since that is the only definition. I am hung-up on how we as a nation can support an $11 Trillion dollar debt, $500+ Billion dollar deficit, 2 wars and a rapidly aging population.
Based on these issues, which have no immediate chance of being rectified, I am willing to pay more taxes - but if my $ was simply being used (more than it is) to give out to others - (i.e. redistributed) then I wouldn't.
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 4:07 PM
Ah yes, Joe the (unlicensed) Plumber who has neither the money nor a concrete plan to buy the business that isn't even for sale.
Next played-out and mendacious meme, please!
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 4:12 PM
Yes cobblehiller...I think there was some mutual misunderstanding on what we were both posting to each other. I'm a downer on any increase in taxes but right now its necessary. Lets just hope it doesn't get out of control.
Hmm, yes, it appears so, it's usually my sense of humor not translating to the board...
I don't think it's going to be too awful. You have to admit that there have been quite a few nice tax breaks for the top income brackets for a number of years now. If Barack does re-evaluate programs and giveaways and can create efficiencies, I believe it can work and keep the taxes from getting too out of hand. Ending a war would help alot too!
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 4:16 PM
ok, seeing as you're so certain,
heres Merriam on it:
1 : to alter the distribution of : reallocate
2 : to spread to other areas
If Obama is cutting my taxes, i.e. letting me keep more of my wealth, and maintaining tax-money spending - where do you think he's getting the extra money from to do that? He's got it from you and businesses he increased taxes on. Thats called altering the distribution of wealth.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 4:18 PM
"When's the last time you walked into a government agency like the Department of Buildings that wasn't the most mismanaged wasteful circus you ever saw?"
The most wasteful mismanaged circus I have ever seen is at the Time Warner 'Customer Service' Center in Brooklyn - compared to that PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, most Government agencies work like a well-oiled machine.
On a related note - arent Rite Aid, Circuit City, and Macys (brooklyn) - private enterprises as well?????
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 4:18 PM
Snark,
It's not about Joe's plumbing license. It's about Obama's dangerous agenda.
Like me, I'm sure you were one of us Democrats sickened years ago by the Republicans endless ranting about Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky.
Now you're the one ranting about stupid stuff that doesn't matter.
Face it, your emperor Obama has no clothes!
Posted by: IronBalls at October 22, 2008 4:20 PM
Cable Operators don't count fsrq. They have a monopoly and no incentive to provide good service.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2008 4:22 PM
Keyspan customer service was awful too. Bunch of Keystone cops.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 4:22 PM
Iron balls, do me a favor and go find something useful to do. You're mindless blathering of the Fox News Talking Points is giving me a headache.
Posted by: cobblehiller at October 22, 2008 4:24 PM
FSRQ,
Obama's mother died of cancer at 53.
McCain's mother is 95 and she's doing great.
I wouldn't be surprised if McCain outlived Obama naturally based on his good genes.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 22, 2008 4:24 PM
"your emperor Obama has no clothes!"
How dare you try to excite SnarkSlope in the middle of a political argument!
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 4:25 PM
Nah Biff, a naked Obama doesn't excite me. As a friend said years ago, "Politics is just show biz for ugly people."
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 4:30 PM
cobblehiller,
I don't watch Fox news, I read the NY Times and the Economist.
But thanks for the advice, sport.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 22, 2008 4:30 PM
Ironballs - I didnt ask you if you thought McCain would die - I just asked you what would happen to your (moderate republican) analysis if Palin became president - certainly you must consider the POSSIBILITY that the guy could die or become disabled as President (BTW - his father died at 70 and his Grandfather at 61)
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 4:31 PM
As a Ron Paul democrat, please, allow me:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul484.html
We in the midst of the greatest transfer (thieving) of wealth in history--brought to you by the party that finally killed America, the Republicans.
Posted by: bridges at October 22, 2008 4:33 PM
Dave - with Direct TV (Sat) and (soon) FIOS, Time Warner Cable is hardly a monopoly anymore. nor are the other retailers I mentioned - and I will add that virtually every Insurance Co (Health) is a private enterprise as well - and all of the above seems worse run then virtually every Govt agency I have dealt with. Just sayin....
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 4:35 PM
The greatest thieving of wealth in history, inflation adjusted, was the British Empire, which, not coincidentally, was also the largest empire by land surface in history. That epire failed, as all inevitably do.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 4:36 PM
"His entire agenda is based on raising taxes on individuals and businesses that are the most successful. His campaign promises are a punch in the face to those striving for the American dream."
So, let me get this straight. If you're not a "success", does that mean you're not striving for the American dream? Don't you think teachers, firefighters, and all of those working class bums earning less than $100k are striving also? Or no?
Posted by: rh at October 22, 2008 4:36 PM
Obama is unlike anyone who has ever been elected president. I think he will be a shock to everyone. Liberal, Consevative, White, and Black. I think it is because he is none of those things and all of them at the same time.
But we need to be shocked. This is a transformative moment. So all of you change-adverse out there, buckle your seat belts! We have never seen anything like this. I'm already planning my real estate moves in Cuba next year.
Posted by: sam at October 22, 2008 4:39 PM
Perhpas he's referring to the phenomenon of the subset of (dreaming) people who vote against their best interests by voting for candidates who will not protect them, but in fact protect the incomes and livelihoods on those in income classes above them. They do this because they anticipate (soon) becoming part of that class, but in fact they never do.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 4:41 PM
Sam - you're expecting him to finally drop that ridiculous embargo?
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 4:42 PM
I kinda thought (hoped) that Obamas agenda was to bring "reason" back into Government and move away from the dogma and incompetence we have been enjoying
Posted by: fsrg at October 22, 2008 4:46 PM
Yes, of course. The Cuban embargo will go in the first 100 days. He will shake things up. And things need to be shaken, not stirred.
Posted by: sam at October 22, 2008 4:47 PM
sam, I agree.
Posted by: Biff Champion at October 22, 2008 4:49 PM
Done with my work for the day and I'm ready to join the thread. What did I miss??
260+ posts...whoaza!! I think Mr. B should head out to NJ and get 51 McCain bumper stickers.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 22, 2008 4:54 PM
BRG - In summary, Robin Hood is being elected, the Evil Empire is about to fail, and everyone is a douche nozzle.
Posted by: dittoburg at October 22, 2008 4:57 PM
dittoburg: you should write Cliff Notes.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 5:14 PM
Ditto - I wish your summary was at the top of the thread, it would have saved me half an hour of my life that I will never get back.
Except I already knew the last part of your summary.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at October 22, 2008 5:38 PM
Ironballs,
Thanks for (finally) elaborating on why Hil is different than Obama. I'm still hardly convinced.
On the morning after Obama won the nomination, 3 powerful political candidates all attended an AIPAC meeting.
AIPAC. They couldnt even rest for a day. They ALL had to be there.
Obama, Clinton and McCain. All tentacles of the same octopus.
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 5:48 PM
I got tired of reading all these posts. You are all a bunch of douchebags for making this so long. Now go douche it!
Posted by: 11233 at October 22, 2008 6:09 PM
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/download/file.php?avatar=16130_1195583921.jpg
Posted by: SnarkSlope at October 22, 2008 6:32 PM
Prodigal Son,
I don't get it your AIPAC connection.
Are you saying that Jews control all three candidates?
Influence is one thing. Control is another.
Posted by: IronBalls at October 22, 2008 6:56 PM
Thanks for responding without calling me an anti Semite.
I'm saying that all of the candidates exist on 1 plane and in one mindset. Do Jews -control- all 3 candidates? No.
But the game plan for all 3 is the same.
Capital, religion and our political system has a rigid set of rules. No candidate can ever stray.
AIPAC influence is merely one cog in the wheel.
Posted by: Prodigal_Son at October 22, 2008 7:05 PM
"The most wasteful mismanaged circus I have ever seen is at the Time Warner 'Customer Service' Center in Brooklyn"
Not bloody fair, fsrg, railing against inefficient private enterprise (in comparison to the standard bogey-man, "govt bureaucracy") is usually MY prerogative.
So we agree on something?
Iae, let's just say the jury duty issue is one few agree with. I'm still looking for a lawyer to file a class-action suit on my behalf for unlawful detention...
Posted by: cmu at October 22, 2008 9:04 PM
cmu = a family doesn't need more than one bathroom.
Yeah, like you're really the pied piper I will follow out of the woods, not!
Posted by: sam at October 22, 2008 9:26 PM
I guess you have problems with reading, sam? I said 2-1/2 not 2 baths were a waste in a 2-bed apt.
I don't plan on being in woods with you either, nightmarish thought.
Posted by: cmu at October 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Good revisionist writing there cmu. Mr. "why are Americans so obsessed with bathrooms".
You have ranted on several posts of the absurdity of powder rooms on parlor floors and the need for separate bathrooms etc etc, either you are from a very rich American family and you are rejecting your roots or you are from the modern republic of katzkatistan.
Posted by: sam at October 22, 2008 10:21 PM
let's just get this election over already.
Posted by: bowl of dicks at October 22, 2008 9:10 AM