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September 12, 2008

Williamsburg Comes to Crown Heights?

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The New York Sun took a look at Franklin Avenue in Crown Heights yesterday, noting that "bodegas, hair salons, and fast-food restaurants lining the section of Franklin Avenue that runs between Eastern Parkway and Atlantic Avenue, on the western boundary of Crown Heights, are slowly being replaced by organic markets, cafés, and clothing boutiques." One resident likened the newfangled street to Williamsburg, noting his own store has started stocking organic produce to please the new residents, moving in for the relatively cheap rent; one broker says apartments are about $300 less a month than similar pads in nearby Prospect Heights, and that retail rents can be $1 or $2 less per square foot. Not all residents think that if the street changes it will become a Bedford Avenue; Smith Street and 5th Avenue were invoked, as well, noting the new beer garden, Franklin Park (which apparently draws residents old and new to its halls), a fancy boutique, Point de Couture, a cafe and a tattoo parlor. A 21-year veteran is redeveloping his own building into a residential complex. Question: Is it possible for a neighborhood to shift like this without becoming Park Slope or Williamsburg, to withstand an influx of residents and retail and still be very much Crown Heights? If these new establishments manage to speak to those who've lived there for years, maybe we'll see an example of it. What do you guys think?
Franklin Avenue Changes as Crown Heights Shifts [NY Sun]
Houses, Crown Heights. Photo by gkjarvis.




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this is stupid. a few restaurants and stores and some writer invokes Williamsburg? Come on.

Posted by: lowintheheights at September 12, 2008 11:02 AM

will there be scantily clad female bicyclists to the dismay of the residents?

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 12, 2008 11:06 AM


"Question: Is it possible for a neighborhood to shift like this without becoming Park Slope or Williamsburg, to withstand an influx of residents and retail and still be very much Crown Heights?"

We can only hope.

Posted by: East New York at September 12, 2008 11:16 AM

the article certainly jumps the gun, but the popularity of both franklin park and I-95 say something positive about the energy of the neighborhood. I think operation impact is not given enough credit. Williamsburg is silly as a comparison--prospect hts more possible because the access to subway lines, the park and cultural institutions on E pkwy are similar as is the good housing stock. the one thing that is not explored is whether more of the garages that dot crown hts can be converted into interesting housing. i know it has happened in places, but it is a feature that is not in other neighborhoods.

Posted by: luther924 at September 12, 2008 11:27 AM

Considering the long history of Crown Heights, 'stoner, you pose an open-ended question. The architecture reveals the bourgeois residents who built their "weekend" homes here. The old Union League Club house had a grand address and control enough to erect the statue at Rogers and Bedford.

In the 80's and 90's it became an uneasy neighborhood, with West Indians and the Hasidim clashing occasionally, and harassing one another regularly. Even today, I witness or am occasional victim of such harassment by neighbor kids who assume I am Jewish, hurling street trash and epithets at me.

Today, though, the predominant threat to the peace along Franklin Avenue is a thriving drug trade. Mostly comprised of non-residents, the traffickers here are brazen, loud and deal openly in the streets. My building housed a very lucrative marijuana merchant for the first several months I lived there. I gave detailed information to the 'undercover' police operating here, and it stopped, thankfully.

So, will Crown Heights remain Crown-Heightsy? I sincerely hope not. Bless the communities here, and bless the architecture left behind, but I would very much like to see a return of law and order along Franklin Avenue. The wonderful people living there deserve it. And residents-to-come will require it.

Posted by: stoep2conquer at September 12, 2008 11:33 AM

I think that you will see more interesting housing in Crown Heights especially where the garages and warehouses are near Pacific and Atlantic Ave... This area really has potential to be something special.

Posted by: Amzi Hill at September 12, 2008 11:49 AM

Williamsburg it will not become. There is too many rent stabilized/controlled buildings for a complete transformation like that. As a relatively new resident, I consider this a good thing: some affordable housing remains and long time residents benefit from the improved amenities. Not that rent control is the best way to provide affordable housing, but it does some good in this respect.
As for the retail/restaurant changes. As Franklin Park and other business show, the demand is there. If done well, new businesses getting in on this inflection point are posed to do very well. However, there are many other examples of poorly conceived or badly managed businesses that are trying to capture this new demographic and failing.
Also, the slower this process happens the better. No need to rush to having American Apparel, Starbucks, and the like homogenized Franklin Ave. But savvy local entrepreneurs understand what's going on and will continue to transform the neighborhood along with it's new residents.

Posted by: lincolnlimestone at September 12, 2008 11:59 AM


"No need to rush to having American Apparel, Starbucks, and the like homogenized Franklin Ave."

Amen. Bless you, lincolnlimestone!

Posted by: East New York at September 12, 2008 12:08 PM

Another wild card for this area is the fate of the Bedford-Atlantic Armory, which borders on Franklin. The City's current plan to redirect all homeless men from all 5 boros to the B-A Armory does not bode well for the northern part of Franklin Avenue, nor for Crown Heights in general (and adjacent parts of Prospect Heights, Clinton Hill and Bed Stuy). The area Amzi Hill references above could be particularly affected. Whether you are rooting for fast, slow, or no gentrification, the city's current plan will move the neighborhood in a bad direction.

Posted by: Dr Dean Franklin at September 12, 2008 12:19 PM

what block is the photo of? I see it all the time on here and need to walk over and check it out.

Posted by: Santa at September 12, 2008 12:23 PM

I think the renaissance of Franklin Ave, specifically, is due to a couple of factors. First of all, you have ease of transportation with the Franklin Ave shuttle running along (duh) Franklin Ave, connecting Brooklyn subway lines that may meet only otherwise in Manhattan, making the area available from anywhere else.

Secondly, the commercial architecture of Franklin Ave is already set up for storefront shops, restaurants, etc, and the landlords there seem to be more amenable to change. This is unlike Nostrand Ave, which should be the commercial heart of CH, and seems to be in commercial lockdown, with absurdly high rents and a culture of intransegence by the very small number of landlords on that ave, who seem to like things the way they are, and/or are waiting it out for some brighter future. Franklin still retains a neighborhoody, small city, main street feel, which is very desirable for the kinds of businesses that are showing up there.

Thirdly, because of the proximity of Prospect Heights, as well as the Jewish Hospital Apts, new construction and renovation, this area is seeing a large influx of twenty-something, mostly white, renters seeking inexpensive apts, whose social life includes eating and drinking out, organic and natural foods, and clothing shops. Most of the new businesses are catering to this population.

This sets up the conundrum of gentrification - it's great for all of us to have these new businesses. Those of us who are not twenty-something, or even white, also enjoy eating and drinking out, natural foods, and all of the other perks of being in a gentrifying neighborhood. A better neighborhood is better for us older timers as well. I think that CH will be better able to keeps its cultural identity because Wmsburg is much more of a blank slate. Its Hasidic population is very insular, and disconnected physically and culturally from "hip" Wmsburg, and to a lesser degree, so is the Latin side of town. The industrial spaces that make up much of the desirable cool part of town were largely sitting unused until the artists and others moved in. Crown Heights' Caribbean and African American presence on the retail streets is still strong, and will remain so, and the community, as evidenced by the local presence at Franklin Hall, is just as glad to get new businesses. It doesn't have to be "them and us". It can be "we".

Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 12, 2008 12:23 PM

I meant Franklin Park, not Hall.

I pretty much agree with lincolnlimestone. An important point he/she makes is in taking the time and money to put forth a good business plan. I've seen plenty of businesses open and close here because of poor planning. Just getting the space and paying the rent is not enough. Neither is having even the best idea. That is why I enjoy reading the Bird Blog. Her progress may be slow and tedious, but I bet her business will suceed, because she has a rock solid plan. I welcome good business people to Crown Heights, with all kinds of businesses. There is great potential here.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 12, 2008 12:38 PM

great post and neighborhood analysis montrose! I'm hoping what happens in Crown Heights is the development of more, interesting mom and pop type stores, small businesses that are more personalized, rather than the starbucks and other chain store types. I liked what happened on Tompkins St. I know some of the business have closed, but the street saw the opening of interesting, home grown businesses and quite a few have succeeded. I don't think it should be assumed that only an influx of gentrifyers will make these businesses successful. There are plenty of residents who are middle class who love to shop in their neighborhoods and support these businesses.Same for Crown Heights.

I understand the concern about the armory- i live nearby and of course it's an issue. But I also believe this community is strong enough to deal with it, no matter what happens. It's gone through enough over the years, and far worse. This isn't a community that gives up.

Posted by: bxgrl at September 12, 2008 1:07 PM

That Armory is too beautiful and too powerful of a building to just be used to store homeless men. As the area grows and this gentrifers become parents the city is going to have a big problem with what to do with the youth. I think this place would be great as some kind of school or center for the youth in the area. Crown Heights will become a hip cool area the bones are already there... Crown Heights becoming the place it once was is good for all the communities around it including Park Slope as well as Bushwick and everything in between. I guess time will tell it all... I just hope sooner than later...

Posted by: Amzi Hill at September 12, 2008 1:35 PM

If not for the armory, i'd be a lot more open to the neighborhood.

Presuming it continues to improve, theres no reason to believe that it wont follow the Fort Green and Clinton Hill models in which the neighborhood slowly changes demographically over time.

Posted by: slick at September 12, 2008 2:07 PM

My wife and I and baby live on Eastern Parkway near Classon in a rental, and we really want to buy in the vicinity of the Franklin Street subway stop. We are finally ready to buy financially.

We're looking for a 2 or 3 BR, on par with our current space. We've settled on this area because we have family nearby, and there is great public transportation. Anyone have any suggestions of how to go about looking in this particular neighborhood, or any really good brokers with interesting stuff.

I confess. I am new to the buying game. Is there something more to Crown Heights than simply visiting open houses and talking to brokers?

Thanks for any help and/or help.

Posted by: theandrewlee at September 12, 2008 3:40 PM

of course, the art and music scene in williamsburg is real. it's what differentiates williamsburg's gentrification from other brooklyn neighborhoods.

i think that crown heights is an interesting place because it is still reasonably priced for what you get. sure it will gentrify further, but agree with other posters that it will resemble Fort Greene or Clinton Hill rather than Williamsburg.

Posted by: wine lover at September 12, 2008 4:59 PM

Andrewlee, I suggest walking around a lot on streets you find attractive, and look for broker signage and take down numbers and call. In spite of recent coverage, and higher priced listings, the large brokerage firms do not have the majority of listings in neighborhoods like Crown Heights. Small, local brokers do, as they have for the last 70 years. They may not be fancy, or media sophisticated, but they have the listings, especially the more affordable ones.

Also, talk to the older folks tending their yards or sweeping out front. They know everything and everyone, and usually know who is thinking about selling, and other tidbits about the neighborhood. I know several people who got homes here by asking people in the neighborhood about upcoming sales.

Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 12, 2008 5:24 PM

Thanks Montrose for the info on the local brokers. We have been taking some walks after Sunday Mass and will continue to do so.

Posted by: theandrewlee at September 13, 2008 9:01 AM

Wow, it seems as though living in Crown Heights, can be at times like living in two parallel worlds from reading some of the experiences of others on Brownstoner compared to my own.

I'm one of the new tenants, in a newly renovated apartment, paying higher rents than my "old timer" neighbors. But please note, I am Afro-American and though some may consider me a "blipster", I personally feel I am not.

I am just a young professionally working in film who wanted a bigger apartment, was bored by Williamsburg scene, no offense to any one living there it just was not for me.., and fell in love with the architecture and vibe of C. Heights.

I've passed Bedford, Franklin and Nostrand. I live on New York Ave. Call me naive, but never in a million yrs would I have thought there was thriving drug trade on Franklin. Granted, Franklin Ave. is not the prettiest of streets, but much better looking than Nosrtrand Ave, in my humble opinion.

Personally, I find all three Avenues lacking in variety of stores and products. It would be great if all three Ave. could embrace/absord/inter twine a little more variety with what is already there.

I love the Carribian stores, the fruit stands, the Afro-centric stores etc. Then, I'm starting to miss a larger variety of restaurant, I moved from Park slope, organic foods, book stores etc.

I just hope the wonderful flavor of the some of the great stores already existing on Franklin and Nostrand are not pushed out with the slowly emerging new.

I have no idea what Bedford Ave. was like before, but it seems a little thin in variety of offers still. But if it is a positive improvement, I'm all for it!

Posted by: snowboardqueen at September 15, 2008 10:31 AM

I posted this on another blog re: this article:

If I were to take a guess -- or maybe its more like wishful thinking -- I would say that Crown Heights is going to feel more like Lewis Avenue in Stuveysant Heights in the years to come. To me, Lewis Avenue has a feel of jazz meets young urban black professional meets meets the artisan entrepreneur community. And that seems representative of the mix of people that are moving to and store fronts that are opening up in Crown Heights.

I would love to see some sort of jazz/neo soul cafe open up around here. I know that Tavern on Nostrand does jazz nights, but that seems more incidental than central to the business.

Posted by: Wont UB My Nabor at September 26, 2008 4:49 PM

I don't anticipate Crown Heights becoming the next Williamsburg; Nor do I foresee Franklin becoming a version of Smith Street. At present many of the businesses in Crown Heights are homogenous ie. corner stores/bodegas, juice bars, fruit stands and hair salons. I was very excited that Bristen's Eatery opened up on Franklin and I hope to see an increase in a variety of Carribean owned businesses which attract a diverse crowd.

It is apparent that there is a very vibrant and stable Carribean community here.

Posted by: CC at October 1, 2008 6:13 PM

I don't anticipate Crown Heights becoming the next Williamsburg; Nor do I foresee Franklin becoming a version of Smith Street. At present many of the businesses in Crown Heights are homogenous ie. corner stores/bodegas, juice bars, fruit stands and hair salons. I was very excited that Bristen's Eatery opened up on Franklin and I hope to see an increase in a variety of Carribean owned businesses which attract a diverse crowd.

It is apparent that there is a very vibrant and stable Carribean community here.

Posted by: CC at October 1, 2008 6:28 PM

Interesting that the article talks about Franklin Avenue but shows a photo of Carroll Street between Kingston and Albany Avenues. That's a good half mile away from Franklin Avenue and not the trendy neighborhood to which the article refers. I live here and like it a lot, but I doubt coffee houses are about to open in the heart of this Hasidic neighborhood.

Posted by: morralkan at December 20, 2008 8:18 PM

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