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September 26, 2008
Open House Picks
Carroll Gardens
120 3rd Place
Cobble Heights
Sunday 12-2
$2,095,000
GMAP P*Shark
Ditmas Park
522 East 24th Street
Corcoran
Sunday 1-3
$1,099,000
GMAP P*Shark
Prospect Lefferts Gardens
177 Maple Street
FSBO
Sunday 12-4
$950,000
GMAP P*Shark
Crown Heights
1501 Union Street
Brooklyn Properties
Sunday 12-2
$775,000
GMAP P*Shark
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Is that a picture of Snoop Doggy Dogg and Tupac in the basement of the Prospect Lefferts Gardens crib? Holla!
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 1:09 PM
That's a lot of house there in Ditmas Park!!! The street looks great except for that one white monstrosity with the room thing growing out of the second floor!!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 1:18 PM
I like the marketing strategy of the Carrol Gardens House - 4 pictures and 3 sentences. That'll get'er sold.
Ditmas house has some nice details, not sure about the price, but it's listed by Cocoran, so I'm assuming it's overpriced.
Might check out Crown Heights, what do you all think of the price?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 1:25 PM
That CG house is a joke. 2 million bucks for that place? Puh-leeeze.
Posted by: Atlantic Frantic at September 26, 2008 1:31 PM
Ditmas Park place has some good, some bad and some ugly. But overall, I give it a thumbs up. For interested buyers, I would definitely recommend a lowball starting offer.
BRG, I thought the same thing re: Carroll Gardens place. Two of the four pics are of the same room and the one other inside pic isn't exactly impressive. Cobble Heights Realty is looking like Cobble Bites Realty.
Regarding the Crown Heights place, Montrose can probably give some good insight. I'm not at all digging the shag rugs, kitchen and color selections, but those are all fixable. Other work will also be needed, but it doesn't seem outrageously priced.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 1:34 PM
Carroll Gardens house is 3 pictures of the same room. For over 2 million dollars? You gotta do better than that.
Ditmas Park house has some great detail, beautiful floors. I don't like the kitchen or bathrooms, but overall beautiful house. Furniture goes with the current homeowner, thank goodness. Price not bad for the area, going by other houses featured here.
PLG house has had all of the charm removed, probably years ago. If you want a place to thoroughly modernize that doesn't look in too bad shape, this is it, there is nothing original left.
CH house (CH South, to be precise) is a great little fixer upper, lots to work with here. I'd like to get my hands on that gorgeous front door and move it over to my place, it's a beauty. I'm not familiar with the area, other than knowing where it is, so no comment on neighborhood or pricing.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 1:35 PM
My suggestion to lowball the Ditmas Park home was more a reflection of the state of the economy and the fact Corcoran priced it so I'm assuming there's wiggle room. But it doesn't seem far off from what it could get.
Montrose, I'm also digging the front door and facade of the CH home. If only the inside lived up to the expectations. The colors are hideous. But I do think it has potential.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 1:40 PM
Ditmas house looks very nice, but it's not in Ditmas. That's South Midwood, a dozen blocks from the edge of Ditmas Park proper.
Posted by: Frederick Law Homestead at September 26, 2008 1:42 PM
Awesome. It's been days since we had a good neighborhood boundary argument here. Thanks Frederick Law Homestead!
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 1:44 PM
Sorry, Bif and BRG. I don't know south of Eastern Parkway all that well. I've walked around over there, but it's a huge neighborhood. My impressions are that it is in one of those blocks that has full rows of houses just like this one, on both sides of the block, and is basically just fine. Not sure if the Hasidic community is on this block, but this is over where they are, and the neighborhood is probably a mix of Hasidic and Caribbean folk. It's near the Utica Ave subway on the 3/4 line, I believe.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 1:46 PM
The East 22nd Street house is east of Ocean Avenue in the South Midwood section of Victorian Flatbush. It is pratically a two-fare zone because it's a long walk to the Q train. It is huge house and appears to be move-in-ready although the kitchens and baths could use updating. That price is still a little too steep for that section of 'Ditmas'.
Posted by: Chaka at September 26, 2008 1:47 PM
Damn, no F.Greene or C.Hill listings.
Posted by: DOW8000SP800 at September 26, 2008 1:50 PM
CH..needs a little bit of work, if the mechanicals are up to date, and it's only cosmetic, it might be worth it.
In the photos, underneath all the dust, I spy in-laid wood borders...YUMMY!
I love the colored glass above the front door.
I'd move the mirrors to the master bedroom ceiling, to bring a little dyker glitz into my life.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 1:51 PM
BRG- I'm loving the CH house. Good bones, blank slate. You could do a lot with that. Can't speak to the neighborhood but the home I just love.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 1:51 PM
Yeah DOW..and if we had a Bed Stuy listing there'd be 50 posts by now!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 1:57 PM
Don't laugh at those mirrors! They have them in very prestigious homes you know...
http://brightonbeachinfo.com/webdocs/port_local/BrightonBeach/search.htm?tree=/webdocs/port_local/BrightonBeach/search.htm&in_listing=5401021
Thought we could use a laugh given the economy!!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 1:58 PM
THL...The pool area needs more statuary. However, I'm loving that dock.
The mirrors need no additional commentary. Bada Bing.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 2:04 PM
I think the Maple Street house still has some detail; it's just hidden behind a lot of stuff. Once it's empty it will look better. It still needs updating, so for inspiration look at 208 Midwood, which has been renovated with great taste. These two houses are basically the same, one just has a modern reno (and a higher price tag as a result).
Posted by: dt at September 26, 2008 2:05 PM
That would be East 24th Street house. Even further away from the train.
Posted by: Chaka at September 26, 2008 2:05 PM
THL, bless your heart. You promised to wait to unleash one of these beauties and my Friday afternoon has slowed down enough to make this the perfect time. Where do we start on this Brighton Beach beauty? I feel dirty just looking at that jacuzzi!
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 2:06 PM
THL, I'd take the pool in a minute, minus the statuary, of course. I'm more amazed that it is possible to buy a faux Victorian couch that big, with that shape, in white.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 2:06 PM
Those floral motifs in the bathroom tile always add a nice touch.
MM... anything's possible when you have good taste and lots of money!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 2:08 PM
THL.....I love you!
Okay...with GH house..keep the mirrors and add an 'L' shaped victrianesque reproduction sofa.
Master Bath - add more mirrors...and columns (they seem to be a must in any 'upscale' house)
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 2:08 PM
The East 24th Street house is in South Midwood, not Ditmas Park. Why can't the folks at Corcoran get their neighborhood straight if they are selling in Victorian Flatbush? We have distinct neighborhoods here in Flatbush with active neighborhood associations.
I'm sure Barbara Corcoran could call the Flatbush Development Corp., request a map of the neighborhoods and tuter her brokers and salespersons.
Posted by: yaakovdoe at September 26, 2008 2:11 PM
sorry, meant to say CH (crown heights) instead of GH. I'm dazed and not sure which house to go see...CH or Mill Basin.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 2:11 PM
So true, Dave, so true.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 2:14 PM
Yeah, I'd love the pool too. It reminds me of Ceasar's Palace in Vegas.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 2:17 PM
The PLG house is one of many two story limestones and brownstones built by Realty Associates c. 1909/10 on all Lefferts Manor Bedford--Rogers blocks, close to Rogers. They're the smallest LM houses, but quite ample as a one family.
I usually don't disagree with MM, but it doesn't look to me as if the details have been stripped from this house, although most of the woodwork is painted. Of course it's kind of hard to tell because the photographs are really terrible. I haven't seen the house, but I THINK I can (just barely) discern a fair amount of detail in the miserable, badly lit, photos.
The ad says that this house is priced below market. I don't think that's true for two story LM houses of this type, other than those that have had extensive renovation.
Posted by: Bob Marvin at September 26, 2008 2:18 PM
I love the thought of being able to go through the backyard, hop on the "yacht" and sail down to South Beach in my pastel leisure suit. The only thing missing is the plastic on the faux Victorian couch.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 2:20 PM
CH south degrades precipitously after Albany...Prime CH south (if there is such a thing) is between Bedford and Albany. This particular house is shitty considering the area and needed work.....
considering the condition of the house.....I smell potential infrastructure upgrades needed.
Posted by: moreteasir at September 26, 2008 2:21 PM
That couch looks period to me Biff.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 2:22 PM
Bob, I can see the detail. It's all painted over but it is there.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 2:22 PM
Lived in Crown Heights for a while back in the day (although off Nostrand, so not familiar with the feeling out near Albany) I always liked north of Eastern Parkway better than south. It seems to be more densely populated south of eastern parkway, with alot more multi family apartment buildings and mixed styles of houses, where north seems to be mostly blocks of similar townhouses.
Posted by: A Guest at September 26, 2008 2:23 PM
CH house has good bones. Near the Kingston stop on the 3/4. (First stop after Franklin Avenue.)
I beleive that is a mix of Jewish and Caribbeans there.
The details on the floors that are not covered with carpet have nice border details. Looks like they don't have shutters in the front windows.
The doors to the room with the wall 'o mirrors should have been pocket doors. Wouldn't be surprised if you found the track for the old doors under the carpet.
Colors are ugly but easily changed.
Carpets are ugly, but easily ripped out.
Wall 'o mirrors ...... ok, they should go. A little plaster to fill in the holes that are left behind and you are done.
Not much interior wood detail. And no fireplaces?
Kitchen is a gut reno, but usable. Love that 80's vibe though.
2 Floors and 2 Family? Need to ditch the extra kitchen upstairs if you want to live in this as a one family.
No picture of the backyard, so I assume it needs work.
An overgrown bush in front. (I'll leave further comment on that to Biff and Dave.)
I think this is a great place that needs some work. I think it is overpriced, but I would not be surprised if it goes for near ask.
Posted by: 11233 at September 26, 2008 2:26 PM
Biff, there's no plastic because you're not allowed to SIT on the couch! This is the "formal" living room.
I love the sweeping balcony which no doubt you access the master bedroom.
Yachting to South Beach? I'm guessing you're only going just far out enough to dispose of the weighted "item".
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 2:28 PM
11233...I just did a spit take on your comment regarding the CH shrubbery!
moreteasir...I bet you're right regarding it's infrastructure.
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 2:33 PM
11233, DIBS is the one who more often references Brazilian waxes, so your setup line is all his.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 2:46 PM
I defer to better computer screens than mine on the PLG interiors.
CH house - I had a similar wall o mirrors in my house. That mastic was tough, and I had to fill in a lot of holes, but it was really great taking those puppies down.
I like all of the French doors, and I bet the floors underneath that carpeting are beautiful.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 2:47 PM
Bush? George Bush? What did he say now???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 2:51 PM
Where the heck is "Cobble Heights"?
Posted by: Carol Gardens at September 26, 2008 2:53 PM
I somehow missed the stunning tieback on the Mill Basin shower curtain. Fancy schmancy.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 2:55 PM
I agree that the PLG interior seems to have most of its details. It clearly needs a new kitchen. Last week I had the gall to suggest that it looked like prices in PLG were decreasing--one PLG resident said that I was anti-Brooklyn and obviously wanted old houses to fall into disrepair. So I dread saying anything negative about the pricing of the PLG house, but it does seem a bit high for the current market. We'll see.
Posted by: shillstoner at September 26, 2008 2:57 PM
PLG has alot of bead moulding...it's hard to see in the pics.
MM - in some of the pics at CH, you can see in-laid borders in the floor....875 St. marks, had some beautiful in-lay (sigh)
Heard Bush this morning in his 3 minute speech, he basically said, the govt is working on a plan to help the economy...SIGH!
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 2:59 PM
The PLG house has some original detail, but not much. I believe a wall has been removed from the parlor floor to make the living room bigger. The kitchen and basement look very unattractive in these photos; hopefully they look better in real life. I don't think this house in this condition is priced under market; nicer houses in better condition in this area have gone for only slightly more when the market was in much better shape.
Posted by: geekspice at September 26, 2008 3:00 PM
bayridgegirl, isn't it about time for Bush to announce "Mission Accomplished" on the recovery of the economy?
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 3:02 PM
The big Ditmas Park house is terrific, especially inside. The others are pretty awful. The Crown Heights house is depressing in many ways. Starting with that front door, which looks like it belongs on a Bar and Grill joint.
I find it impossible to even think about prices at this moment. Can anyone truly be in the market to buy an expensive house right now? To all those who keep your millions stuffed in your matresses: This is your moment!!
Posted by: sam at September 26, 2008 3:03 PM
BRG, I can see that one room without carpet has gorgeous floors (CH house). Inlay - ooohhh!
Re: 875 - I know. That house had some of the most beautiful (and semi destroyed) floors I've ever seen on the parlor floor.
The only good thing to come out of this economic crisis is the satisfaction in knowing that even die hard Bushites have to know now what an idiot he is.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 3:12 PM
And McCain is appearing as one too
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 3:20 PM
either way in November, this country is in the shit for the next several years.....and I'm a bull.
Posted by: moreteasir at September 26, 2008 3:26 PM
MM, don't be so sure. There are millions of voters out there who actually believe Sarah Palin when she claims she has foreign policy experience by virtue of her living in close proximity to Russia. It's frightening.
Dave, I thought you supported McSame and the Disasta from Alaska?
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 3:28 PM
I never said that Biff. And I'm not someone with a MILF vote as you know!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 3:35 PM
"the Disasta from Alaska"
You mean the Moose in Headlights?
Posted by: SnarkSlope at September 26, 2008 3:37 PM
Biff...how can he state "Mission Accomplished" if he has no idea what the mission is.
This mornings speech he didn't sound like he knew what he was talking about and what the crisis is..but then again, that's typical of all his speeches.
Bush will be missed for the Comedy of Errors he has provided this country.
Debate Tonight!
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 3:42 PM
Biff, I'm sure she is an expert on Canada, as well, for the same reason.
I'm announcing my candidacy for Mayor of New York, because I can see Manhattan from my roof. I hope to receive the support of the Brownstoner community. (My other credentials are that I used to live in the Bronx, I've got relatives in Queens, and I took my driver's test in Staten Island. Beat that, Christine Quinn!)
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 3:43 PM
Dave, my apologies. I thought I recalled you mentioning a few times that you were a Republican in a thread last week (which was as shocking to me as DOW and I exchanging semi-pleasantries in that same thread). I shouldn't have assumed that automatically meant you were pro-McBush.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 3:43 PM
WOW....MM...I didn't know you were so well travelled.
Marty M the other day was quoted something along the lines of "Brooklyn has more residents than Alaska and we could teach her a few things about foreign relations too"
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 3:45 PM
I am a Republican but that doesn't mean I always vote that way. And before you all jump on me, how many of you Democrats voted for Guliani & Bloomberg?
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 3:47 PM
I don't know about the others, but I didn't vote for either Giuliani or Bloomberg.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 3:52 PM
Not me, but that's ok, Dave. My brother is a Republican, and I don't hold that against him. Well, sometimes I do, but I'm getting better.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 3:52 PM
After being with my hubby for so many years...I JUST found out in the last primary election that he's a registered republican.
Now what do I do?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 4:03 PM
I agree that it seems like McCain just kind of gummed things up, kind of like my gramps used to when I tried to include him in activities. I truly cannot imagine what possible connection to the American voter someone like McCain could have. He has never had a job, at least barry taught law somewhere. If any of these "fabulous properties dripping with detail" are going to worth more than spit on griddle, they better hammer out a bailout now that grandpa simpson has been shuffled off to Missisippi.
Posted by: Inigo at September 26, 2008 4:08 PM
Montrose and Biff:
Regarding the CH house. It's actually fairly priced given it's condition. I can honestly say that the it was remodeled without consideration to the original design of the house. On that stretch of Union Street, the front door was built as a glass and iron door so that you have full view of the vestibule. The wood floors are classic parquet with mahagony inlays. It also looks like a lot of details are gone.
It is exactly 1/2 block away from the Lubavitcher headquarters at 770 Eastern Parkway and around the corner from the Brooklyn Jewish Children's Musuem. The closest train stop is the 3 at Kingston Avenue. It's two blocks away from the Schnectady entrance of the Utica Avenue 3/4 stop.
Just for a bit of perspective, Corcoran has a house in MUCH better condition one block over (Union Street between Albany and Troy) on the market for $900K. A house two doors down traded for $800K two years ago.
For the most part, people get along.
Posted by: BrooklynIsHome at September 26, 2008 4:09 PM
bayridgegirl, immediately kick him to the curb with your glass pumps with the 5-inch heels.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 4:10 PM
bayridgegirl...I'd hire a detective to see what else you don't know.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 4:12 PM
BrooklynIsHome, thank you for the information. I'm not looking to buy, but I think your insight is valuable to those considering looking at the property.
bayridgegirl, for all you know, he might be on a blog all day posting doom and gloom thoughts while promising that someday this war is gonna end!
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 4:17 PM
Biff....hhhmmmm.
During private moments, hubby was yelling. Whos' your What? Who's your What?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 4:26 PM
Sorry guys, for the above post..week moment. After I hit post, I regreted it.
so not appropriate. I just brought this post down. Please Delete it, Brown.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 4:30 PM
Please don't, Mr. B.
bayridgegirl, that was awesome!
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 4:33 PM
Definitely hire a detective. You can't be too careful.
Posted by: FatLenny at September 26, 2008 4:36 PM
There's no such thing as bringing the thread down (any lower) when I'm around, so it's all good. Plus, these Open House Pics have run their course so we're free to turn this into and Open Thread Friday!
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 4:36 PM
Don't worry, BRG, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver manage to live in the same house. Ok, it's a REALLY BIG house, but still......
Brooklynishome, thanks. I'm not looking either, but I also like to get the real poop from people who actually know. I guess the economic upheaval has prevented the usual gang who scream that PLG and CH are dangerous, from posting. They are probably all at a Walmart somewhere, stocking up for Armageddon.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 4:37 PM
BTW, why the hell doesn't Stoner post an "Open House Morning After" thread on Monday morning so open house attendees can discuss their findings? He did it one week after I suggested it, then dropped the idea. Send him a tip if you're pro.
Posted by: FatLenny at September 26, 2008 4:39 PM
BRG, I just sprayed my keyboard with Earl Grey tea. That was priceless!
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 4:41 PM
O.k....chew in this one...
http://www.erapersonalrealestate.com/homepage.htm?in_listing=5396111&in_brokercode=XEPC01
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 4:43 PM
ON...chew on...ugh TGIF
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 4:44 PM
Very funny, BRG. Brown, don't take it down.
Posted by: FatLenny at September 26, 2008 4:49 PM
ok, brown, don't take it down. Wasn't sure if it was too lewd. I didn't want both 'Hubby' and I to be banned from the site.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 4:52 PM
THL, where do you find these beauties.
This house has:
- glass windows
- glass sliding doors
- glass exterior wall
- glass interior walls
- glass block
- glass shower enclosure
- glass kitchen cabinets
- glass skylights
- glass coffee table
- glass doors on fireplace
- what look like glass chairs, in front of kitchen
- and what the heck is that glass behind the tub?
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 4:57 PM
> During private moments, hubby was yelling. Whos' your What? Who's your What?
Finishing off with "Someday this war is gonna end?"
Posted by: SnarkSlope at September 26, 2008 5:00 PM
It's Mill Basin's glass palace! All I want to know is where do I order my Pepto Bismol Pink kitchen from?
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 5:03 PM
Oh my god Snark...that is HYSTERICAL!!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 5:07 PM
Folks can someone please explain to us whats in the water over there in Carrol Gardens? Whatever it is it induces amazing amounts of grandiosity plus "financial hallucinations". Pricing this below average house as if buyers are stupid especially now is laughable. Oh well there is always Psychoanalysis and Zyprexa :)
MM we take issue with you trying to be Mayor of New York when you are @ least 3 subway stops away from Manhattan. We think we will do much better not only because of our better proximity but we also went to school in Manhattan and really want to run this city..please. And thanks but no thanks to the Manhattan Bridge. As for Queens, well eh eh oh yes I sometimes go to Jackson Dinner for Indian food...that qualifies right?
Palin ? C'est de la bricollage, une sacre comedie mes cheres Americains...Hahaha
Posted by: pierre de taille at September 26, 2008 5:07 PM
Enjoy the debates and the weekend everyone!
Posted by: TownhouseLady at September 26, 2008 5:08 PM
THL, I'm on to you and know your secret to finding these things. You do a search on Mill Basin homes listing at over $1MM, with 3+ beds, 3+ baths, 1+ jacuzzi, 8+ Greek columns, 45+ statues, 1000+ panes of glass, and 20,000+ pounds of marble!
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 5:08 PM
Pink kitchens are custom. They only show those finish options to people in South Brooklyn.
Eat your hearts out, I have access to glitz.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 5:13 PM
bayridgegirl, hopefully you and the hubby will make it out to our October 16 "End of the World (Or Maybe Not)" bash for Brownstoner junkies...details to follow...
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 5:16 PM
I have always wondered why people consider a play on a political candidate's name to be an appropriate substitute for intelligent debate. I note that this behavior seems to be mostly (but not exclusively) limited to people on the left, which is odd, because they also like to hold themselves out as the more intellectually side of the political house. I am always a bit mystified when otherwise intelligent people engage in this sort of behavior.
Person: "Oh, so you're voting for McSame and the Disasta from Alaska?"
Me: (realizing that it is probably pointless to attempt meaningful debate) "Um..........yes."
Posted by: lechacal at September 26, 2008 5:30 PM
Thanks TownhouseLady. Time to head outta here for a Debate Watching party.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at September 26, 2008 5:33 PM
When speaking of Sarah Palin, there are really only two words required:
Fundamentalist.
Nutjob.
Posted by: SnarkSlope at September 26, 2008 5:39 PM
lechacal...why did you try to turn this thread into a semi-serious, yet rather inane political diatribe??? I thought the Disasta name was funny and I'm definitely not "people on the left."
Hope your man can hold his own in the debates tonight!!!!
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 5:40 PM
I recommend downing a shot every time he says "Country first."
Sort of a political variant of "Hi Bob."
Posted by: SnarkSlope at September 26, 2008 5:46 PM
"I have always wondered why people consider a play on a political candidate's name to be an appropriate substitute for intelligent debate. I note that this behavior seems to be mostly (but not exclusively) limited to people on the left"
lechacal, take a pill. I mean, really. Is it possible for you to be lighthearted or is that an issue for all Republicans (there I go again with my ad hominem attacks). I can assure you I would be willing and able to engage in an intelligent debate with you over the real issues if Mr. B would care to set up a thread in which we can do so. Or we can do it in person on October 16.
For my part, I am always a bit mystified when otherwise intelligent people are still considering voting Republican, especially when considering where McCain and Palin stand on the serious issues. But hey, if you believe in creationism and that it's God's will we're in Iraq, good luck to you, friend.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 5:47 PM
'bayridgegirl, hopefully you and the hubby will make it out to our October 16 "End of the World (Or Maybe Not)" bash for Brownstoner junkies...details to follow...'
You ask the 'What' yourself!!
Hubby only reads the blog occassionly and he doesn't know I post on here....I'm a closeted 'brownstoner junkie'.
email: bayridgegirl01 (at) yahoo (dot) com
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 5:48 PM
Dave, thank you for that! You are living proof that I can get along with, respect, and dare I say be good friends with someone across the aisle from me. It's much appreciated.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 5:49 PM
I'm going to count how many times MsCain refers to being a POW.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 5:51 PM
well bayridgegirl...it was not OK for hubby to keep his republican enrollment from you but it is OK to keep your brownstoner posting from him.....I smell DOUBLE STANDARD here.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 5:53 PM
Biff...wow, one lewd remark and I get an invite. If I'd known that's what it takes, I would have unleashed that side earlier :)
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 5:53 PM
Well I certainly didn't mean to, and in any event McCain is not "my man" even if there is a better than even odds chance that I will vote for him. I guess I was pointing out the futility of debating any of these things with people who resort to name calling. I generally don't consider people who consider "fundamentalist nutjob" to be an argument worthy of the time and energy it takes to actually talk about politics.
And I'm not going to bother watching the debates tonight. Watching two perfectly intelligent human beings dumb down complicated ideas into sound bites makes my skin crawl. I would gladly sit in a room with a group of calm, intelligent Democrats and Republicans (you know, people who don't resort to exclamation points or ad hominem attacks) to discuss the election. I have absolutely no interest in hearing the version that will be on TV tonight. I have too much respect for both men to watch them play party clown to the masses.
Posted by: lechacal at September 26, 2008 5:54 PM
bayridgegirl, seems like it's not just the hubby keeping secrets in the relationship. it's ok, we won't tell.
I'll shoot you an email this weekend and coordinate with Dave, Montrose, Nokilissa, wasder, 11233, et.al.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 5:56 PM
I think the Republicans lost a lot of serious die hard intelligent capitalist members of the party when he picked Palin. God forbid if he were elected and God forbid even more if he were to die in office. Only the fundamentalists and the NASCAR "I want to vote for a MILF" crowd were drawn into the fold
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 5:57 PM
lechacal, if you don't appreciate exclamation points or ad hominem attacks, you're an idiot and sure as hell shouldn't be hanging around on Brownstoner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(That was a joke)
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 6:02 PM
"Biff...wow, one lewd remark and I get an invite. If I'd known that's what it takes, I would have unleashed that side earlier :)"
Of course that's all it takes. How do you think Dave and I invited each other for drinks so quickly?
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 6:04 PM
I don't post nearly half the lewd remarks that come to mind.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at September 26, 2008 6:09 PM
In my defense..I think not telling someone they're a registered republican is more severe, than me not telling him I post gibberish on a blog.
Posted by: bayridgegirl at September 26, 2008 6:15 PM
lechacal I thought McCain was the one only afraid of the debate but I see some of his supporters are also. So afraid they won't even watch...Scared Obama will make so much sense you may have to alter those concrete positions? Tres progressif eh! Oh btw if you still need that pill someone recommended kindly contact us and we will call it in for you.
Posted by: pierre de taille at September 26, 2008 6:20 PM
Pee-air, we eat Freedom Fries in this town, mon ami, you Frenchies will never run this city. Fugeddaboutit.
;>)
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 26, 2008 6:22 PM
bayridgegirl, no need to defend yourself and we're so willing to protect your identity that if you two do show up together to our soiree, we'll call you Mill Basin Milly just to throw him off. But you have to dress the part.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 6:31 PM
Some of you apparently had a good deal of time on your hands to post comments all day.
That observation out of the way, none of these houses is appealing...from the little I managed to read in the above comments, I agree that the photos are rather lacking for a house set at an asking price of $2m. The PLG house depresses me. The DP house's exterior photo almost gives the impression the house is on a hill...love those Cocorum photos! I think they must have invented "wide angle".
Such an inauspicious weekend for an open house...in more than one way. Ugh.
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at September 26, 2008 6:37 PM
Montrose Morris for Mayor.
Posted by: Biff Champion at September 26, 2008 6:44 PM
Sniff for Deputy Mayor...or would you prefer Boro Prez?
Posted by: BrooklynGreene at September 26, 2008 7:36 PM
Biff,
what do you do for a living?
your postings are becoming overwhelming. and a little annoying. step away from the keyboard!
Posted by: sam at September 26, 2008 8:23 PM
As it turns out, I did watch the debate. There is only one television in the house, and Mrs. Jackal absolutely insisted. Mrs. Jackal, an Obama supporter, spent a fair amount of energy making noises meant to make it clear to the rest of the audience (i.e., me) that she really really really likes Obama and really really really doesn't like McCain.
In conservative areas of the country, liberals constantly have to explain and defend their positions, while conservatives (who are already in the majority and therefore generally presumed to be right by any random group of people) instead resort to bullying and name-calling to enforce the majority opinion. The opposite is very much true in places like Park Slope. Most conservatives I know here are remarkably level-headed and well spoken about their views. Most liberals I know (that is, most of my friends and family) resort to playground bullying and name-calling rather than offering anything in the way of intelligent debate. It's fairly basic human nature I guess -- if you're already in the majority, the most efficient way to win is just to bully the minority -- but it still makes me sad to see otherwise intelligent people degrade into name-calling children every four years.
So yes, Pierre, I am just too scared to watch the debate. And there is a good chance that I will vote for the "fundamentalist nutjobs" McSame and the Disasta from Alaska. I guess that makes me a Southern Nascar fan.
lechacal
Posted by: lechacal at September 27, 2008 8:36 AM
I know for a fact that Montrose Morris has seen a picture of washington DC and therefore certainly is qualified to be Secretary of State. In which case , pierre you can take NYC. I have your slogan- It's all about the de tailles. But I say Biff for Boro Prez! However, THL must be head of the DOB, and BRG Head of the Department of Planning. (who has a better sense of quality housing?)and DIBS for Dept. of Finance (Wasder- you can head up Independent Budget Oversight).
I want to head up animal rescue (gotta save the polar bears from the disasta from alaska).
lechacal- you did make a good and fair minded argument on both sides, I think it's also fair to say that the republicans raised dirty campaigning to an art form over the last 8 years. Liberals and Dems have had their patriotism questioned, their values demeaned, their candidate swift boated- if we're pissed off who can blame us?
I can understand why people will vote for McCain and for the republican Party platform. What I don't understand is why anyone would want to see Sarah Palin as Vice President? After watching her stumble her way through interviews that even a 15 year old could have handled better, and listening to her try to frame a coherent sentence, why anyone would want to risk this country by having a someone so inept and unqualified one step away from the Presidency is beyond me. Why any woman would want a party in office that would not allow a woman to get an abortion even in cases of rape or incest is just mind boggling.
I know why people will vote for McCain- I know why I won't- but we need to think beyond McCain. McCain scares me- I watched a faded heroic old warrior struggling to deal with the 21st century while living in the 20th. We can't afford that. We need new ideas, new answers, new approaches- this is a drastically different world and I honestly don't see McCain capable of navigating it.
But Palin terrifies me. From her inability to grasp the basics of the world situation to her inability to communicate to her terrifying religious fundamentalism- she scares the bejeezus out of me. Mccain is no nutjob. He's erratic and desperate. Palin isn't a nutjob either- she'd be easy to dismiss if she was. But she's a shark in babe's clothing, and her ego stretches from Alaska to Russia (if you're standing on that island in Alaska). She's all style and no substance. And people like that are the worst of all. A pit bull with lipstick was a great line. It just isn't the way to run a country.
Posted by: bxgrl at September 27, 2008 12:58 PM
Oops, forgot- pierre, your logo will be an American flag with french....er....freedom fries for the stripes. ripple cut of course.
Posted by: bxgrl at September 27, 2008 1:01 PM
All of your evil witchcraft will never work on Palin. She was prayed over. And I will also pray for her by speaking in tongues while holding poisonous snakes five times a day facing east after consuming a meal where meat and dairy were not mixed.
Posted by: Chosen at September 27, 2008 4:39 PM
Hey thanks bxgrl that MM had us really worried despite our stellar resume. Anyway MM will do better in DC since NY is not his forte even though he grew up here. Get the logic? Did we mention we frequent Yankee games in the Bronx? Yes we didn't neglect our beloved boogiedown.
Now bxgrl that is what I call a cabinet folks. Good ole DIBS taking care of all the money stuff with Wasder breathing down his neck..sorry no subprime loans here:) Mais c'est la vie en rose ici. Le logo ? Formidable ma chere. LOL
MM there are not that many brownstones in DC sorry buddy but guess what? Amtrak runs multiple lines to NYC so you are welcome to visit.
On a serious note lechacal we are grateful to live in a democracy so go ahead and vote as you wish. Just remember the mess and disaster we are in today rests squarely on your party and president. I find it hard to believe another republican (with a fossilized brain:) won't do the same or even worse...name calling objectively justified here my friend.
Posted by: pierre de taille at September 27, 2008 8:27 PM
Lechacal - truly, I'm interested in hearing how you can in good conscience vote for McCain given the Palin pick. Even many conservatives are publicly proclaiming she should bow out, given how clearly out of her depth she is, and what a catastrophe she is on the campaign trail. Whatever people do and don't like about McCain, the Palin pick seems to me a grave error in judgment which is a total deal-breaker (not to mention McCain's other bad judgments, such as the erratic behavior he showed this past week). Picking her was the complete opposite of "country first" since it was a move that actually greatly jeopardizes the country, in an effort to purely grab some votes to win this race.
OK, I know we should be talking to houses, but I do think that this race has so much at stake that I don't even know if I'd want to stay in this country (and hence buy an overpriced house) if we are at risk of having the totally unqualified Palin a heartbeat away from running it.
Posted by: Miss Muffett at September 27, 2008 9:40 PM
Miss Muffett, I don't think there is very much at stake in this presidential race. In fact, I think there is very little at stake. There was much, much more at stake in the 2004 election. For the record, I voted for John Kerry.
In the middle of a crisis, the critical choice of leadership has already been made.
It's Saturday night and I'm sitting here working my ass off on matters very directly relating to the current crisis. I would be happy to defend my choice another time. Honestly. But explaining why I don't find Palin particularly offensive would take a lot of time, because it is not easy to do for this audience (see my post about being in the minority).
Posted by: lechacal at September 27, 2008 10:21 PM
lechacal - it's worse in san francisco. no consolation of course. it's pretty polarized politically in our country and will stay that way for sometime i think. no use having any kind of discourse. no one's changing their minds.
Posted by: wine lover at September 27, 2008 11:56 PM
Anyone else going to the Berkeley Place block party today?
Posted by: lechacal at September 28, 2008 9:37 AM
Pierre, there are rowhouses in DC. I've seen them. (am I qualified for this, or not, eh?) Works for me. I'm not that impressed with the White House, stylistically,though. I prefer late Victorian or better yet, an eclectic Arts and Crafts vibe. Now if the White House was William Morris' Red House, now we're talking. Please, spare me the Commie rejoinders.
If McCain wins, I may be relocating anyway. The UK's rather expensive, Canada's going to be filled with angry ex-pat Yanks, so I have to think about this carefully. I may be polishing my French, German or Italian. Or maybe my Jamaican patois.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 28, 2008 9:49 AM
Oh lord....I'll have to polish up the yiddish and the high school spanish (Now there's a good place! McCain won't meet with the head of Spain so how bad could it be?).
lechacal wrote:"It's Saturday night and I'm sitting here working my ass off on matters very directly relating to the current crisis. I would be happy to defend my choice another time. Honestly. But explaining why I don't find Palin particularly offensive would take a lot of time, because it is not easy to do for this audience (see my post about being in the minority)."
lechacal- don't blame us if you don't want to explain. That's your choice and I'm guessing even you don't find your own argument convincing. We all have a stake in what's happening, not only you. You've never shied away from giving an opinion, why not now?
(Was Mrs. Jackal really her name? If not you should reread your own comment on insults)
Posted by: bxgrl at September 28, 2008 11:12 AM
le chacal means the jackal in French. That makes me Mr. Jackal. Sorry you misinterpreted my reference to Mrs. Jackal, whom I adore to the ends of the Earth (just like the little jackals) even if we are voting for different people.
Montrose, come on, are you really going to use the tired old "I'm moving to Canada if a Republican wins" routine? Until now I have been very impressed by the thought you put into your posts (probably the best written on this site). You just dropped down quite a few notches with that comment.
Posted by: lechacal at September 28, 2008 11:33 AM
Montrose, don't be a one of these: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/24/75-threatening-to-move-to-canada/
You are clearly an intelligent and articulate human being. Don't ruin it with this sort of nonsense.
Posted by: lechacal at September 28, 2008 11:37 AM
well, I'm embarrassed, lechacal :-). OK- so my excuse is I have high school Spanish. (You're a GUY?????) I am even more humiliated to admit I thought your name had to do with milk (leche) and - ok, wait for this- somehow you were a breastfeeding mom. And now I go down in utter blazing defeat (Not as a democrat however! Just as a psychic).
That said, I have to agree with MM's sentiments. It's been a long scary ride the last 8 years and I can't blame it all on bin Laden. Not that I think McCain would turn out to be an awful President- I just don't think he has what it takes to improve our situation. But Palin as Vice President? No no no no no. She'll make Bush look like an intellectual and political giant by comparison. I can't even begin to explain how much the thought of Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency terrifies me.
I've watched the Bush administration unravel this country I love into something approaching a travesty of who and what we are. The culture wars are beyond anything I have ever seen and I believe every non-fundamentalist is just as concerned. I grew up believing what happened in Germany couldn't happen here because my parents -who lost family in the Holocaust- firmly believed it. I still believe it but not for a moment do I think religious fundamentalism belongs in our policies or our laws and with a Sarah Palin in office we can kiss religious freedom goodbye.
We can kiss a lot of things goodbye, including equal rights for women and gays, the right to our own medical decisions and the right to walk into a pharmacy or hospital and get medication or treatment no matter what. And that's already happening- Bush is trying to pass a law that pulls federal funding from hospitals that do not allow doctors or nurses to refuse to treat people based on their own personal religious beliefs. If that doesn't frighten people it's because they're dead.
And beyond that I think Palin is totally unqualified and unable. This country doesn't need a lipstick wearing canine- we need a human being with brains and foresight.
Posted by: bxgrl at September 28, 2008 12:04 PM
I WAS JOKING!!!!!!SPEAKING FACEOUSLY!!!!!MY WORDS WERE DRIPPING WITH SARCASM, IRONY, WHATEVER. I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE, EVEN IF PALIN (Lord help us) GETS IN!!!!!
I can't afford to move down the block, let alone a foreign country.
Besides, I'm not white, and my job skills are on the arty side, never a popular draw at any customs/immigration desk.
Nice weather we're having? How about those Mets? Safe topics, safe topics.
Posted by: Montrose Morris at September 28, 2008 1:04 PM
Well, now it's nice weather. Go Mets. Going to go check out the block party. Peace out.
Montrose, even you can be needled into an occasional all caps post with exclamation points. Happens to the best of us I guess. Your posts really do tend to be quite well written.
Posted by: lechacal at September 28, 2008 1:35 PM
This makes it clear that the CG zoning text amendment has already made a huge difference. That specific townhouse at 120 3rd Pl. was slated to be gigantisized (my new favorite word). Clearly the developer was thwarted and has to bail.
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