NYPD Records Crime Dip in Brooklyn North

The stop snitchin policy is really paying dividends.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 9:27 AM

don't believe the hype.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 9:33 AM

all the rich folk are in clinton hill/fort greene now, there's better mugging there.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 9:35 AM

Bedford Stuyvesant and Crown Heights had low crime last year... I think most of Bedford Stuyvesant South and Crown Heights North have less crime today than the neighborhoods closer to downtown Brooklyn.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 10:01 AM

it's called gentrification. the crime is being pushed out further into east ny/bushwick.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 10:14 AM

Good news. To bad white collar crime is up 1000% in the Wall Street area.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 10:22 AM

'The neighborhood had the highest number of murders, 31, in the city last year.'

so saying that murders are down is nothing to toot about.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 10:40 AM

10:14, the article says crime is down in E. NY also, asshat,

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 10:45 AM

you just proved my point What Washington and Fulton closer to downtown in a area called CLINTON HILL...

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 10:48 AM

This is why The What is a total bore - 1st of all sure crime statistics can be manipulated but the motivation for manipulation always existed and therefore changes in macro numbers do have some reliability - additionally - you can't fudge a dead body - homicide statistics are about an accurate measure as you will find.

Second, while I am all in favor of vigorous prosecution of White Collar Crime - it doesnt leave you batter, bruised or dead, or afraid to leave your apartment and enjoy going to the park or subway - so such comments are kinda dumb and definitely irrelevant.

But I know The What has his agenda to promote so I guess we'll all have to tolerate his commentary.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 10:57 AM

All I know is that crime in Clinton Hill has gone up. It's nice to hear that there are parts of Brooklyn that are getting better but how are we going to solve the issue in CH and Fort Greene.

And I'd be interested in knowing the stats for Bushwick. And lastly what's going to happen when the 6 month period expires...is it going to back to business as usaual?

Just wondering.

AClintonHillLady

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 10:58 AM

"Unlike the Asshats I'm in touch with my community Dave. I was born and raised here and the crime in Asshat hill has gone up."

Horseshit.

The What is not from Brooklyn. Immediately after he was called out for being a suburbanite a few months ago, he NEVER argued with it, never disagreed with it. Never presented evidence to disprove it. Every bit of evidence over the past year in his posts (which was listed in his accusers' posts then) all supported the fact he had no clue about Brooklyn and knew nothing about it. Certainly didn't live here.

Only recently, since he got a log-in, has he just begun to claim he lives in Brooklyn and in the same neighborhood as Brownstoner, no less. (What a coincidence!) And now that he's started claiming that, he just goes on and on and on about it. Knocking us over the head with it. He WAY oversells it.

In all this he demonstrates incredibly weird, suspicious, abnormal, atypical behavior. Because he's lying and he's posting under a persona. I don't believe anything this guy says for one millsecond. In my business I have to smell out liars and this guy reeks of it.

Don't believe HIS hype.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 11:36 AM

Oh and by the way, "lower" crime does not mean no crime. Yes you will still see people being arrested sometimes. Seeing arrests is a GOOD thing, a GOOD sign. It's when criminals and drug dealers are NOT arrested that it's a sign a neighborhood is not improving.

Oh and what's with a supposed real estate broker, as The What claims to be, doing with persuading poeple NOT to buy in Brooklyn?

Yeah, THAT makes sense. Again, no logic to what he says. Translation = not true.

Liar liar liar, your suburban tract home is on fire.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 11:41 AM

Crime must be way up in Lodi, NJ

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 11:46 AM

"All I know is that crime in Clinton Hill has gone up. It's nice to hear that there are parts of Brooklyn that are getting better but how are we going to solve the issue in CH and Fort Greene."

If you were to ask your neighbor, Mr. Brownstoner, he tell you who's responsible for the rise in crime in your area: marauding teenagers and the "dodgy" people at the Mirrors bar.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 11:47 AM

Hey What... I never post here because like you I agree most of the people that post here are living in la la land when it comes to real estate... but I gotta say this statement makes you seem like a clown yourself:

"The upcoming Market crash will make it clear as day you and others made a grave error and put your families is great danger."

There's nothing worse than an internet goon. Anyone that makes that kind of statement is trying to spread fear. Smarten up. You're better than that. A little less Bin Laden OK? Your obsession with this place only shows envy and as "a born and raised CHiller who sees people looking for perps" you should spend more time trying to help the situation rather than spread fear with it.

They get it... you hate gentrification. Your way to combat it is to post financial data counter to their dreams and then to make them feel unsafe. Then maybe it reverts back to the hood you had hope for. The difference is that there are renters moving to CH now. And as such the only thing that will happen will be further gentrification. Whitey will be moving out of those Manhattan Apts and renting in CH. It's a fact.

Harry Allen you are not my friend. Since you yearn for the older days maybe you'll get that Public Enemy reference.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 12:08 PM

Why can't it be a sign of good police work. Why does it always have to attribute to more of one race than the other.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 1:09 PM

Oh the ole cut and past Cognitive Dissonance post again huh What? Yawn.

The one who suffers from it is you my friend. You hold a different belief than most people here, so you lash out at posters like a 3rd grader by calling names like Asshat and Dumbass. You're here because you're trying to help them understand? Please. You're here because you're the ass-hole. Every blog has one. You just happen to be a gigantic one.

All the assumptions you made about me just from one post:
I've never denied where I live is the Ghetto. I've never denied a housing slump and never expected to cash in on buying in CH.
I've lived in just about every borough there including some neighborhoods in the BX that make CH seem like paradise.

I love a lot of my neighbors, long time Clinton Hillers. They are usually the friendliest people over the new people moving in.

The funny thing is I agree with a lot of things you post around here regarding the market and economics. I just think you come off as a buffon when you start claiming it's going to be the Wild West in 90 days. That people with families lives are in danger. Quit spreading fear.
Buh Bye.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 1:11 PM

"They get it... you hate gentrification. Your way to combat it is to post financial data counter to their dreams and then to make them feel unsafe. Then maybe it reverts back to the hood you had hope for."

This is the most accurate, succinct summation of The What to date.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 1:26 PM

I concur with 12:42, I live in Bed Stuy and see tons of beat cops patrolling on foot. God bless them. Perhaps they are the reason that much of Southern BS is currently safer than Eastern CH.

To respond to earlier posters doubting the What's backstory, I personally do buy the story that he grew up in Brooklyn. If you search the archives there was a post about the "Slave" theater on Fulton and he posted some fun reminiscences about seeing Pam Grier movies there as a kid.

The What's venom towards newcomers to the "ghetto" is interesting. You know, What, some people are just trying to find a place to live. It's not always about greed. Yes, these neighborhoods are changing in ways both good and bad... but hey, this is New York City, and neighborhoods here reinvent themselves about as often as Madonna.

You seem like a fairly clever guy. If you want to preserve the things you love about BS and/or CH, why not take some of the time you spend posting here and use it more constructively? As the hood gets more economically diverse, that means more local money to be spent at small, black-owned businesses, and more potential donors to shore up cultural institutions. Why don't you start such a business or found such an institution, instead of wasting your considerable energy on schadenfreude? Go on, I dare you.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 1:36 PM

Dear Brooklyn yuppie / hipster,

Please do us all a favor and seek counseling (or ask your current shrink to up your dosage.) Your not so thinly veiled racial paranoia is repulsive and quit lame. Crime is an unfortunate part of city life - it affects every neighborhood in the City. Bitching and moaning about it on a website won’t make things better. Try doing something more constructive with your time like contacting your elected officials and urging them to increase funding for after-school programs, and or job training facilities in your neighborhood. Volunteer your time with Boys and Girls Club, YMCA, etc. Treat ALL of your neighbors with respect regardless of color or economic status. And finally, stop living your life in fear. You live in one of the most vibrant and diverse neighborhoods on the plant – get out there and enjoy its people, food, and music.

Sincerely,

Your neighbors

P.S. – Does anyone else think “the What” is actually the writer Colson Whitehead?

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 2:48 PM

"I think most of Bedford Stuyvesant South and Crown Heights North have less crime today than the neighborhoods closer to downtown Brooklyn."

not sure about BS, but the 77th precinct in Crown Heights has more than 10X the murders than the 78th and 84th precincts(PS and BH, respectively and both closer to downtown) combined.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 2:51 PM

GREAT post 2:48

www.clintonhillchill.com

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 2:54 PM

2:51 - no one mentioned anything about race (that is, except for you). People are talking about BEHAVIOR, not race, and by aligning race with crime you are revealing your own racism.

Loser.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 3:33 PM

Hi ALL, don't believe the hype; yes...we are the new proud gentrifies of Bed Stuy! and more of us are coming to a condo loft near you; deal with it!!!

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 5:00 PM

haven't been to clinton hill in awhile but is it really gentrifying at a rapid pace like people are saying?

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 5:22 PM

" increase funding for after-school programs, and or job training facilities in your neighborhood"

blah blah same old crap.

How about teach the parents how to parent?

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 5:33 PM

Ok! Let's go!

The thing that get me is the Asshats move into the ghetto, OK I can buy that. Now the covert crap happens like, overpaying for apartments hoping the long time residents can't afford to live around here anymore. Overpaying for Brownstones so working class people cannot afford to buy anything. Complaining when they get mugged/ass-kicked in the hood. Gyrating to Blogs like this thats hype up Real Estate in the hood. Having to listen and read the bullshit for the smug-fuck that populate our area. And all the crap I forgot!!

If there was no "Hot Money" i.e. breathe and get a mortgage. There would be no Gentrification into these neighborhoods, NONE!

Where was you 10 years ago, huh. Back on the farm in Kansas humping in the barn yard!

This Mutant Asset Bubble has ruin the lives of many people, mine included! Why you ask!? Hight fuel, food, clothing and other things I fucking forgot! I has a talk with my Uncle, he lives on the Jersey shore and no Asshats it's not Lodi! At this time of year the place is suppose to swarming with tourist. He says due to the high cost of Gas no one can afford to come down. I was driving today on the Highway and there was no traffic in sight. Why? From this Mutant Asset Bubble people are just Screwed!

This is why I hate the Asshats, Brownstoner and other Annon retards that are ignorant to our living conditions of now. But don't worry Asshats the Piper is coming and he is carrying a Joshua Tree..

The What (Blow Me, Bite me, Suck me!)

Someday this war is gonna end.....

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 7:20 PM

3:33... where does 2:51 mention race? He or she is refuting another statement with some facts. Learn to read, and don't be such a knee-jerk racist yourself. Big loser.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 7:25 PM

Oh and BTW!

Starbucks to Close 600 Stores, May Cut 12,000 Jobs (Update2)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aeRM5wL1gkfQ&refer=home

July 1 (Bloomberg) -- Starbucks Corp. will close 600 U.S. coffee shops and eliminate as many as 12,000 jobs, the most in its history, as Chief Executive Officer Howard Schultz slows the chain's expansion after it doubled in size in four years.

Hey didn't that retard Gabby posted a story in the NY Post Ny gained 36K jobs? With Wall Street showing the Asshats the door, how many people can afford the MYNT?

LMMFAO, you are finished!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 7:28 PM

Excellent post, 1:36.

Yeah, the What's from B'lyn. You can tell. Someone made a crack about poor, long-suffering Lodi, NJ, and it stuck for some reason, but I don't think it originated with him.

But I don't think he needs to be so insistent about the downward trend of the economy, since you'd be hard pressed to find someone who disagrees with his *general* thesis. I'm not particularly looking forward to the nose-dive in the quality of life in the neighborhood, but I'm not sure it's an absolute given, and that's where I think people part ways with him. Do we have to go back to the 80s and early 90s? We'll see. I hope not. They sucked around here.

It's been a while since I thought twice about what jewelry I wear out at night, but now it's on my mind again. That's okay. It's the city. Let's hope we don't return to the days when getting robbed was more of a certainty than a possibility.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 7:35 PM

#1 I am certain the What used to post to NJRealestateblog a couple of years ago - driving that blog to lock down status. He basically was saying the same thing about northern NJ, particularly on the topic of Maplewood, and the oranges, calling them slum borders and predicting the crash would unleash vengeful crime zombies.

#2 the what is rather clueless, this '90 days' has been happening for 240 days and has about another 240 to 300 days left in it. have you looked at the recent sales here, stuff is going for asking and below asking in 'real' neighborhoods.

#3 The US has not been the worlds driving economy for almost a generation - a slide here turns us into a playground for the foreign rich. We just lost bear stearns, citi has announced layoffs and the city seems to be doing ok. Rents in Manhattan for a 2br are well above 3000 - who is paying that WHAT? who? somebody. and you know what? the somebodies need lots of nobodies around them and some of us nobodies make well above the median US income (50K) so, given the fact that there is a war on now, we would need a couple of other wars to really destroy this city. This is not your fathers economy and its not your uncles.

the easy mortgages do not produce gentrification - quite the reverse, they have created a population of people with artificially inflated networths.

I can't afford to live where people skew to my demo (college educated, 6 figure salary) i can barely afford my neighborhood because I don't want to pay 50% of my net to housing.

so I gentrify by default, because I can't afford not to.

grow up - blame the real criminals, the system that promotes easy mortgages and took the fictional 'welfare state'(and the food stamps queens) and spun a private industry out of it. admit that de-regulation (from airlines to SOX) has produced this house of cards because it was greed at the highest levels, but hey Hummers and flatscreens for all and housing values doubling every 5 years, just don't bother asking where the money is coming from when your pay goes up ~3%/YR (and youhave a good job)

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 11:08 PM

It's called the Robin Hood theory.

Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 11:26 PM

To the Asshat Posted by: guest at July 1, 2008 11:08 PM

1# Nope Asshole, I was posting on NJswingers.com. There was a picture of your wife "sword swallowing" me. Then I gave her a new set of "Braces". OO----> ---

2# Plenty of things are coming true, Asshat! Plus when this Fall hits, they will give me my own TV show.

#3 Go back to watching Crammer on TV! Plus stop reading the "Flip you house from home" Mutant Real Estate Bubble" Propaganda! The economy is in serious trouble homeboy and No Assfuck this is not my Father's Economy.

"the easy mortgages do not produce gentrification - quite the reverse, they have created a population of people with artificially inflated networths."

Please don't tell that to the Asshats on Asshat Hill. They will jump from their Brownstone windows.

"grow up - blame the real criminals, the system that promotes easy mortgages and took the fictional 'welfare state'(and the food stamps queens) "

Oh I love this thinking! The biggest recipients of "Welfare" is some of the biggest corporations in the US. Please do a Google search while you still have lights. Aid to dependent families accounts for 2% of the federal budget , while Corporate welfare accounts for 20%! Hey Dumbfuck do you see the "Mortgage bailout" bill coming down the pike and that "Bear Sterns" deal is backstopped by the US (Asshat) Taxpayer. All the toxic securities the FED has taken on will be paid by the Taxpayer!

"so I gentrify by default, because I can't afford not to"

So when someone kicks you ass and robs you I hope they say " I Rob you bitchass by default, because I can't afford not to"...

The What (Please kill youself)

Someday Asshats will not have access to a computer...

Posted by: guest at July 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Hi ALL, don't believe the hype; yes...we are the new proud gentrifies of Bed Stuy! and more of us are coming to a condo loft near you; deal with it!!!

Posted by: guest at July 2, 2008 3:10 AM

What this doesn't report is that inter-gang violence has spiked. i.e. Crips vs. Bloods. And the hostility has taken its hold in Crown Heights, Prospect Heights, and Bed-Stuy. They are becoming more ruthless than in the past; even mugging black folks now.

I can attest to this, as I witnessed a Crip-Blood shootout on Prospect Place (between grand and classon) at 12am back in May.

Watch your back. Even though there are new "luxe" condo's it doesn't mean the area is safe. Don't let the realtors fool you into thinking otherwise.

And for all you arrogant suburban folks moving in (though, not all of you are arrogant, but most) you all have a bad case of Cognitive Dissonance. Stop thinking that just because you are 22 and still have a firm ass that you can wish a shitty Starbucks and crummy pottery-barn into every fucking neighborhood. Get to know where you live and adapt; it's good for you to grow beyond your cul-de-sac.

Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 5:02 PM

Brooklyn North is down but Queens South crime has gone really high this year. If one of the precints in that area keeps on it can reach 1990 murder status. =/

Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 7:52 PM