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July 7, 2008
Backyard Politics: Benches for Barack
Here's one way for Democrats to make a campaign contribution that promises immediate payback. For 40 bucks, Benches for Barack — a grassroots fundraiser advertised on lampposts and on Craigslist — will build you a garden bench. $25 goes toward building supplies and the remaining $15 gets donated to the Obama campaign.
A pair of bright neighborhood kids, 18-year-old high school grads Harry Fishbein and Emma Dillon, build these sturdy benches in the basement of Harry's Cobble Hill home and cheerfully deliver them to doorsteps around Brooklyn, free of charge. The benches are 18 inches tall, 4 feet long, and about 10 inches wide, and turnaround is quick. We received ours, which is painted a muted sage green, within hours of sending an email to Benches for Barack.
Harry and Emma made their first sale on Friday June 20 and by time tomorrow's deliveries are done, they'll have sold 38 benches — enough to donate $570 to the campaign. They don't have any furniture-making background, but during Harry's high school career, he built "a suspension bridge out of cardboard and fishing line that could hold 800 pounds and was 25 feet long," and "a 7 foot tall geodesic dome out of electrical conduit." We're not entirely sure what that means, but one can safely assume that the kid's benches are gonna hold up.
They'll be buidling benches and other custom carpentry projects — like wooden trash can containers, sheds, picnic tables, and kids' bathroom stools — throughout the summer, but in the fall, Harry's going to Lafayette for engineering and Emma's heading to Tufts for international relations.
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There are going to be so many disillusioned youngsters when he gets elected and nothing changes.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 11:03 AM
Yeah, well, they gotta grow up and learn that someday anyway. And, in the meantime, while not THAT much will change, do you honestly think a Supreme Court composed of some additional Democratic appointees won't be a hell of a difference, spanning over several decades, than a court with more right-wing Republican-appointed justices??
I mean, I like to be as cynical about politics as the next gal, but, read the paper - there are a lot of 5-4 decisions out there these days that will go the other way if there is a Republican elected in November.
That is reason enough to vote for the Democratic candidate, even if you don't particularly like the candidate.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 2:35 PM
I expect you to give equal time to Coffins for McCain.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 2:43 PM
I have to agree with 2:35.
In addition, its good to see kids inspired by real people, as opposed to entertainers and athletes. If they can dream about change, and actually feel like a part of the process by building benches, who knows what long lasting effect it will have on their character. It has to be better than watching them stare at the TV in disbelief for another 4 to 8 years under Mccain.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 2:56 PM
Barrak is an empty suit relying on good old fashioned Chicago machine politics.
If Change means reviving failed 1970s policies, well I guess I should break out the shag carpet and wait for the IRS to come have their way with me to some Al Green.
The man has nothing in common with JFK other than being a young senator with a little d next to his name. READ SOME HISTORY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
Research Deval Patrick if you want a preview of how empty the rhetoric is. It boggles my mind that so many young people believe anything he says as long as some cheery slogan is thrown in.
The fact he has adjusted his positions at every whim is a hint that he cares more about getting power than upholding principles.The man has the authenticity and honesty of a used car salesman for Pete's sake.
Save your money kiddos, politicians always will come for it AFTER the election, why give it to them before?
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 3:02 PM
I hope young Harry doesn't mind me ripping off his bench design - 'cause that's what I'm going to do. That said, it's great to see young people involved in something inventive and positive.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 3:02 PM
good for them -- this is a great summer project!
Posted by: z at July 7, 2008 3:10 PM
After Barack wins, the President of the most powrful nation on earth will no longer believe the world was created by god in 4004 BC.
So that's one thing that'll change.
Posted by: Johnny at July 7, 2008 3:16 PM
Yeah what 3:02 said! He gives a great speech, but seriously what has he accomplished in his two years of national politics. I guess at least we can be greatful he vanquished Bill and Hillary.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 3:17 PM
3.26 - actually BO seems pretty darn pro-religion to many of us.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 3:29 PM
3:02 you are wrong.
besides, are you suggesting that McCain is better?! Give it a rest. It says volumes about McCain that you try to make his case by attacking Barack.
What we dont need is more tax breaks for the rich, endless and pointless wars, and an energy policy that continues to drain our pockets and pollute the environment.
Lastly, if McCain is not your guy, then shut the hell up. You contribute nothing by moaning from the sidelines. Pick the lesser of two evils and make sure he wins. Being a bitter loser when you can help to minimize future damage to our country by supporting the better candidate makes you undeserving of the right to have a voice so many died fighting to get, and so many others died fighting to get.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 3:30 PM
Amen 3:02.
McCain can count on at least one vote from Park Slope.
Obama is a cult of personality just like terrible Bushie ... Obama is just the leftie version.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 3:34 PM
lame.org
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 3:49 PM
Dear 3:30:
Soooo my choices are:
1) endless and pointless wars and an energy policy that continues to drain our pockets and pollute the environment
or
2) Obama
Thanks for that well-reasoned, level-headed analysis. You really swayed me.
Please sign me up for your Liberal Kool-Aid Drinkers for Truth email list.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 3:50 PM
I agree with 3:02, but thats just my opinion
Wow..3:30 fits the angry lib profile.
Life can't be that bad for any of us if we have enough time to submit political comments on a web-site dedicated to renovating Brownstones.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 3:58 PM
Ok back to the benches by the hardworking kids.
I think these kids are great. Please give them a booth at the flea! Or spread the story so other teens can get with the program and leave ipod snatching alone.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 4:00 PM
"Tax cuts for the rich". That statement alone is why I'll never vote for Barak.
Hate to break it to you but I bet just about everyone owning in NY is one of those dastardly rich folks. It costs a hell of a lot more to live in NY than in Idaho but we all get taxed the same.
Look at the statistics not the rhetoric. 40% of the population pays NO income taxes. People making over 100,000 in 2005 earned just over 45% of the income and paid over 70% of the taxes. 85% of all taxes were paid by people making more than 60,000.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/250.html
That's WITH the Bush tax cuts. If that's not progressive enough for you then I don't know what will be.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 4:26 PM
who cares about politics, I need me some benches!
Posted by: Jimmy Legs at July 7, 2008 4:27 PM
11:03
"There are going to be so many disillusioned youngsters when he gets elected and nothing changes."
Yeah? That's what Nader and all his knuckleheaded supporters said in 2000 but that 2% in Florida would have meant an awful lot.
For instance:
We would of ratified the Kyoto Agreement.
We wouldn't be in Iraq which has now cost us 750 Billion, over 4000 American Soldiers, and tens of thousands of others.
We wouldn't have increased non discretionary funding by 200%.
We'd have agencies in the Federal Government like NASA, EPA, and HUD that actually function instead of being demoralized and in shambles. Katrina anyone?
We would have increased the number of people with health insurance.
Who you put in office does matter. Your vote does matter. Don't believe the cynics who say it doesn't matter. It just doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
Posted by: kuroko at July 7, 2008 4:32 PM
"85% of all taxes were paid by people making more than 60,000."
Unbelievable.
What will this go to if Obama gets elected?
$60k is nothing in New York for a family ... hell, even for a single person.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 4:50 PM
McCain recently admitted that he doesn't know how to use a computer...is this someone we want in charge of the largest (for now) economy in the world?
Posted by: kuroko at July 7, 2008 4:55 PM
What's good abut McCain?!
Committed to balancing the budget
History of bipartisanship
Tons of governmental experience
Not wed to the Republican "party line"
Decorated Vietnam War veteran
Hot, rich wife
For a Republican, progressive on the environment
Etc, etc, etc
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 4:59 PM
Committed to balancing the budget
HE CAN'T BOTH BALANCE THE BUDGET AND CONTNUE THE IRAQ WAR "FOR 100 YEARS."
History of bipartisanship
WITH PSEUDO-DEMOCRATS LIKE JOE LIEBERMAN.
Tons of governmental experience
NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS, BUT PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE. REMINDS ONE OF A PARTICULAR EX-TEXAS GOVERNOR.
Not wed to the Republican "party line"
JUST TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, WHICH HAS BUNGLED THE RUNNING OF THE COUNTRY FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
Decorated Vietnam War veteran
ADMIRABLE, BUT NOT A REASON TO MAKE SOMEONE PRESDIENT - ASK JOHN KERRY.
Hot, rich wifE
SEE ABOVE
For a Republican, progressive on the environment
WHICH MEANS NOT PROGRESSIVE, AND POTENTIALLY DISASTROUS.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 5:13 PM
I'm voting for Obama. It will increase my taxes (due to the social security cap being lifted). McCain won't affect my taxes either way. But I've gotta agree about the "tax cuts for the rich" crap. Its a mindless mantra. People are generally clueless about who actually pays taxes and how much. Its as brainless as the dime-a-dozen trust-funders, the "everyone above me got there through nepotism/race privilege", the mythical millionaires working in the city paying lext tax than your coffee guy. Not increasing taxes isn't a tax cut.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 5:18 PM
"Look at the statistics not the rhetoric. 40% of the population pays NO income taxes. People making over 100,000 in 2005 earned just over 45% of the income and paid over 70% of the taxes. 85% of all taxes were paid by people making more than 60,000."
Thats precisely whats wrong with your thinking. The more you take, the more you should expect to give. How you can rake in tons of dollars and think it is right to just amass wealth for your own benefit whilst children starve is beyond me. You should not be mad that you pay taxes. You should be enraged that those taxes are being diverted to an idiotic war, instead of education and/or healthcare.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 5:27 PM
the symbolism of benches for obama is about right, since we're all sitting on our hands right now to avoid spending money
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 5:29 PM
"Thats precisely whats wrong with your thinking. The more you take, the more you should expect to give."
5:27 Move to Cuba you commie bastard and share a small roll of card board toilet paper. You'll need it for that shit spewing out your ass all over this thread.
We Earn our keep in America we dont "take".
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 5:54 PM
5.13 PM,
I take it that you consider Russ Feingold to be a pseudo-Democrat (McCain-Feingold campaign finance act).
I guess you also consider Ted Kennedy to be a pseudo-Democrat (McCain-Kennedy Comprehensive immigration bill).
Thanks for the clarification.
Benson
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 5:56 PM
Sure "the kids" might be ultimately disillusioned with Obama...but the fact that teenagers have been energized enough by the Obama campaign to get off their butts from in front of the tv and spend their summer vacation doing MANUAL LABOR in support of a political ideal (i.e., the common good - whether or not it can be unanimously or accurately described) is a good sign if you ask me.
I mean, by the time they are disillusioned they will be old enough to vote for a different agenda. That's politics right? In the meantime, no McCain supporters have offered to build me a homemade bench for my backyard.
Posted by: MizJenkins at July 7, 2008 6:04 PM
This is a great project. As for those comments regarding Chicago politics, those are obviously made by people who don't know anything about Barack Obama's background.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 6:07 PM
McCain's kiddie supporters are building mini oil rigs made of plastic that can also be used as a planters.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 6:12 PM
"the symbolism of benches for obama is about right, since we're all sitting on our hands right now to avoid spending money"
And higher taxes are going to help our plight how?
...It does seem appropriate that the kiddies making the benches don't have a lot of experience with their trade, just like their Obamessiah. I wouldn't be surprised if Harry and Emma's knowledge of Obama/McCain's politics was equally superficial.
Et tu Brownstoner? You're also an Obammie??
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 6:49 PM
Is bxgrl not logging in again but still posting? Some of this silly drivel sounds like it came out of the mouth of a loser liek her.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 7:17 PM
"5:27 Move to Cuba you commie bastard and share a small roll of card board toilet paper. You'll need it for that shit spewing out your ass all over this thread.
We Earn our keep in America we dont "take"."
Thats the biggest dose of bullshit on this entire thread! Every corporate scandal "takes" Only a fool wouldnt see that. Idiot. Calling someone a "commie" is practically a compliment these days when you look at our sorry-ass country in the eyes of the world. Are you proud of the war in Iraq? In addition, are you aware that we gladly do big business with "commie" China? Buffoon.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 8:18 PM
Ah, yes, all those ridiculous statistics "proving" how much the poor rich pay. Let's weep for them.
If you make a million and pay 1% (10000 in case you can't multiply) you're paying more than someone else you makes 50,000 and pays 10%.
But only an fool would say think was fair. Or progressive.
Posted by: cmu at July 7, 2008 8:44 PM
too quick on the send button.
"who makes 50,000"
"would think that"
Posted by: cmu at July 7, 2008 9:15 PM
"Every corporate scandal "takes" Only a fool wouldn't see that. Idiot. Calling someone a "commie" is practically a compliment these days when you look at our sorry-ass country in the eyes of the world. Are you proud of the war in Iraq?"
We're not talking about corporate scandals. We're talking about regular individuals making a living. And am I to understand your thinking goes war in Iraq = bad, so therefore so is capitalism? Or did you just not really think that one out?
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 9:30 PM
Obama is the great politician without a record.
He speaks therefore he's great.
McCain is a war hero.
I'd never vote for an actor over a war hero.
McCain will win. Obama will lose.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 10:16 PM
cmu you're not reading the facts. We do not by any stretch of the imagination have the flat tax you describe.
If you look at link to the analysis by the Tax Foundation based on the actual reported tax returns from the IRS (the latest data available is 2005) you'll see:
"The 2003 tax cut was the second in three years, but the tax code still remains highly progressive. The average tax rate in 2005 ranges from 2.98 percent of income for the bottom half of the earning spectrum to 23.13 percent for the top 1 percent."
Can't we agree that if the richest 1% earned 20% of the income and paid 40% of the taxes that that's a progressive tax code?
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 10:50 PM
Obama will win. These kids are great and I can't wait to order my bench!
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 11:00 PM
"Is bxgrl not logging in again but still posting? Some of this silly drivel sounds like it came out of the mouth of a loser liek her.
Posted by: guest at July 7, 2008 7:17 PM"
Why should I bother? A loser like (not liek, FYI) you posted and saved me the trouble :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at July 7, 2008 11:15 PM
Wow, it's patently obvious from reading these responses that McCain supporters are, like our honorable Bush, significantly more edumecated than their opponents. The great thinkers of our time would doubtless bow in awe of the blinding reason and razor-sharp conservative wit.
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 12:19 AM
war hero = zero in this day and age. McCain is a fake conservative dingbat who will continue bad policy.
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 1:40 AM
CMU is back with his deceit and disingenousness. You know full well that those at the bottom pay no taxes, those slighty above bottom actually pay negative taxes after EIC and the like, and then the working people above pay progressively more tax of each dollar they earn than the ones below them. Your beef is with the super-rich NOT EARNING INCOME AS SALARY. I'm shouting because you never seem to get this point. You also know full well that those earning 150, 250 and 300K pay a greater percentage (not just a greater amount) of their income in taxes than those earning 20K or 50K.
I'm not touching Obama - he's way too involved in religion, church-going and pushing religion. Not spoken to by God like the current loon in charge, but still too much for any sane person.
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 8:38 AM
"war hero = zero" "DINGBAT", you represent everything that is wrong today with our society in general. Maybe McCain is not the right person, maybe he is. You belittle his service to this country for the sake of making Obama look like he has some credentials when he has no record whatsoever to speak too. You want to actually speak to policy, then please do so. Otherwise, you are the ZERO and everyone else that agrees with that sentiment. The next president will be handed a victory in Iraq, whomever he is, and he had better thank the service men and women of this country. You can now go back and hide in your cave with Osama.
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 9:55 AM
Well, he would be like about 95% of the country. I have no problem with him being religious just so long as he- or any other politician - doesn't push their religion on anyone else. Being religious and being fundamentalist are very different. And Obama does not push religion- he's no fundamentalist.
I don't even have a problem with faith-based initiatives, but the current loon loosened the rules and that is a problem.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2008 9:59 AM
There is no victory in Iraq. We walked into a country that we were not attacked by, were not fighting and literally ripped it apart. And now it's in worse shape than under Hussein. It certainly is not the fault of our troops. It is the fault of the republican fear machine that doesn't give a hoot about them.
It's cost us over 4000 young, courageous men and women, and sent home tens of thousands wounded in body and soul. For what? Osama is still loose, Al Quaeda still a growing threat and the whole region is more destabilized than ever. Osama is practically thanking us for the stupidity of our moron of a president.
What we will get is a timeline for a pullout- the Iraqis want their country back, and we need to be out. So again- what victory? Over 100,000 Iraqis killed, the destruction of their infrastructure, an unstable government that can barely sustain goodwill amongst themselves, let alone democracy. What victory?
Don't demean our troops by trying to cover our mistakes up by waving the flag- that's the most disrespectful thing.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2008 10:26 AM
Not fear, control of, and profit from, oil.
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 11:22 AM
The fear was just to (effectively, it appears) manipulate the rest of us.
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 11:23 AM
agreed, 11:23 and 22- absolutely.
And before 9:55 can try to claim I don't care about the troops- I have a nephew in Iraq and think he is an incredible American patriot.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2008 12:11 PM
Why don't you go to Iraq and do something productive with your life, bxgrl?
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 2:23 PM
bxgrl I did two tours in Iraq, one pre-surge and one during it.
You have NO idea what you are talking about. The media has done a horrible job presenting the complex issues on the ground and their inherent bias has been to focus on negatives. News coverage of the conflict has plunged since the surge because there aren't as many bad things occurring. The war no longer fits the narrative the editors and news directors want to portray, so they don't cover it anymore. Dolts like you continue to parrot a narrative as some sort of perverted truth that doesn't whatsoever mirror reality.
We were attacked by Iraq via proxies in international terrorist incidents and direct fire in the no fly zone. Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11, but he sure as hell had a lot of other bad people, including one of the first WTC bombers on the payroll.
I am highly offended that believe the army ripped apart Iraq, decades of tyranny and a thieving police state tore the country apart. Saddam broke the country and we, with some VERY brave Iraqis are putting it back together.
You have you be deaf, dumb, and blind to believe the country is worse shape than under Hussein.
I don't call the conduct of Jack Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Dick Durbin, many others very caring and support of the troops. I see more political grandstanding and backstabbing of our efforts from the Donks then anyone.
Osama is still loose, in Afghanistan/Pakistan, no shit that's a different theater of operations against the same type of assholes. Al Quaeda isn't a growing threat, they are a laughing stock of the terrorist world right now.
The whole region isn't more destabilized than ever, Iran and Syria are crapping themselves as the rest of the Gulf States are taking a stand. Osama can't even make a videotape anymore he is so busy hiding in a cave hugging a mule.
What we will get is a timeline for a pullout- the Iraqis want their country back, and we need to be out? Iraqis ARE running their own country you idiot, our troops are their at their request and permission.
100,000 Iraqis weren't killed by the war, around 40k have been. Saddam used to kill an average of 100K of his people A YEAR. So guess what, MORE PEOPLE ARE STILL ALIVE AS A RESULT OF THE WAR.
"Don't demean our troops by trying to cover our mistakes up by waving the flag- that's the most disrespectful thing." Look in the MIRROR you little twit, wanting millions to live under a dictator is a morally superior position? What are you a useful idiot of a fascist along the lines of Philip Johnson? You wouldn't know respect if it knocked you over the head. In the end it's all about YOU YOU YOU, who cares about anyone else.
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 3:56 PM
Good to have you back solider dude! You and your brothers in arms did the damn thing!
-PH resident
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 4:23 PM
3:56: Thank you for putting that little piece of trash, bxgrl, in her place.
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 5:59 PM
3:56 guest- you can tell yourself anything you want. And if you need to justify your belief that we did the right thing going into Iraq- fine with me. Goose step right along with the Bush administration, why don't you. As for blaming our soldiers- I most certainly do not- I blame the moron who put them in an untenable position and made them fight.
"We were attacked by Iraq via proxies in international terrorist incidents and direct fire in the no fly zone. Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11,"- But the reason Bush gave for going into Iraq? Terrorism and 9-11. Meanwhile Al Qaeda is coming back in Afghanistan, and where is Osama? We've strained our military, we didn't give them all the equipment they needed, they have undergone multiple deployments- and you think I'm the twit? Sorry, Pal- I have quite a few military veterans in my family. Your deployment to Iraq doesn't mean I don't get to have an opinion.
You may not have like Saddam but if you think the condition we are leaving Iraq in is any better that you're the one who is deaf, dumb and blind. Destroyed infrastructure, greater factional infighting, nearly daily bombings in civilian areas- And don't give me crap about being a liberal- I do enough volunteer work with veterans and I see and hear first hand what they think. And a lot don't think like you do. Nor does the majority of the country.
I certainly don't like the idea of millions living under a dictator- but you are such a hypocrite. The Iraqis had it much better than some of the countries in Africa and excuse me, are you getting on a plane to fight in Darfur to save anyone?
So don't get on your high horse that because you were in Iraq you know everything and it's all good- it ain't. And don't presume to tell me about respect. I don't believe in disrespecting soldiers by sending them into a made up war to satisfy a lying jerk of a president who wants to play G.I. Joe. I'm not getting into a flag waving, you're the soldier, I'm not party with you. You can demand my respect for your military service- and I'll freely give it, but it'll take a hell of a lot to make me respect your politics.
I'm done- I'll let you and the trolls have at it. You always do.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2008 6:17 PM
5:59- He didn't. It'll take a smarter guy than him to do that. And that isn't you either.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2008 6:19 PM
No one on this thread knows what it was like in Iraq before the coalition of the willing liberated the country.
The twisted fact that these factions are able to fight each other publically today is progress and democracy at work. Believe it or not people.
When Saddam was there (so I heard) it was his way or a mass grave. Maybe I'm being fooled by the TV as well....but those Time magazine pictures of thousands of bones are real.
Let the Iraqis tweek thier government. They have funds pouring in from all corners of the globe and lots of that sticky icky black gold.
Shout outs to the bench kids and the solider dude. You people Rock!
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 6:50 PM
Thanks for equating me to a Nazi for my service. I spent two years protecting ethnic minorities, what have you done?
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 7:23 PM
Aside from the myriad reasons it is crucial for Obama to defeat McCain, one is larger than all the rest, and I'll say it in three words:
Supreme.
Court.
Appointments.
Screw higher taxes--I'll take them if I have to (not that Barack has made any grave threats of instituting them). How about we get back to checks and balances, separation of powers, protection of civil liberties, separation of church and state, and--for those of you lady-types who'd rather make your own decisions about what happens to your bodies than to leave it in the hands of old white Baptist and Catholic men--Roe vs. Wade, much?
Thank you.
Posted by: Rehab at July 8, 2008 9:02 PM
bxgrl - nice post - you're better when you aren't talkin' real estate.
Posted by: guest at July 8, 2008 9:05 PM
7:23- Let's be perfectly honest here- Nowhere did I ever equate you with a nazi, whereas you called me a "useful idiot of a fascist". Among other lovely names you called me. Don't put words in my mouth, thank you very much and as for what I've done- a lot of volunteer work with 9-11, FDNY, NYPD, Veterans and Wounded Warriors. And I work for an organization that works with soldiers and first responders to help them. On top of being under the Towers on 9-11 when the second plane hit and then spending 9 months volunteering in the recovery effort.
As I told you, you deserve every respect from me due a soldier, but I don't have to respect your politics. I think this country owes everything to its soldiers and one of the things we owe is not to treat them like an expendable piece of meat. Do you honestly think George Bush cares about soldiers? Do you think McCain does? Then explain to me why Bush tried to cut veterans benefits and McCain voted against the new GI benefits bill for veterans coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan. And thanks to pressure from veterans all over the country it passed, meaning soldiers actually have a real chance at being able to afford a college education.
9:05- thanks. I promise to never talk real estate again. Er....actually I don't remember really talking real estate. It's not my forte but I enjoy reading the rest of the posts and getting raked over the coals at every chance. :-) ... well, maybe not that part.
Posted by: bxgrl at July 8, 2008 9:59 PM
STOP CALLING THEM KIDDIES.
THEY ARE NOW 18
THEY ARE ADULTS
THEY DRIVE
THEY HAVE STARTED THEIR OWN BUSINESS
THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THEIR COUNTRY THAN MOST OF YOU CYNICAL FOOLS
Posted by: guest at July 11, 2008 12:26 AM
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