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June 6, 2008

U.S. Foreclosures Continue to Soar; NYC Still Not Bleeding

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More bad news about the national housing market: Approximately 1 in 11 mortgages in the U.S. were in foreclosure or past due at the end of March, according to a report by the Mortgage Bankers Association. The Times notes that 4.8 million loans were in foreclosure or had notched late payments, and the trend has spread beyond subprime-loan holders. The problems are worst, it's not surprising to hear, in Florida, California and Arizona. An AP article on the findings says the delinquency rate jumped to 6.35 percent in the first quarter of 2008, and the rate of new foreclosures and late payments were the highest on record since the late '70s. A spokesperson for the Mortgage Bankers Association expects foreclosures and late payments to continue to escalate as home values in many areas continue to plummet, killing off resale potential. In related news, New York City has still remained mostly insulated from the foreclosure epidemic, according to a report Property Shark released earlier this week. The data site's findings for May showed that New York City's new foreclosure rate was down from April, though still up significantly from this time last year. There were 313 new foreclosures in May in all five boroughs, with a whopping 177 of those in Queens. By comparison, Property Shark recorded 55 new foreclosures in Brooklyn last month, and even fewer in every other borough.
About 1 in 11 Mortgageholders Face Loan Problems [NY Times]
Record Foreclosures in 1st Quarter [AP via NY Daily News]
Market Reports [Property Shark]




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How can you leave out Ed McMahon?

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 9:41 AM

In most states missing three mortgage payments means foreclosure and the auction block. In NY and a few others, missing 3 payments puts the property into Lis Pendens and the court system where it can languish for about 18 months before official foreclosure and auction. This gives the seller over a year to try to refinance, sell or simply get back on track. So NY will always have a lower foreclosure rate than the national average. The real comparison would be to look at the number of homes going into Lis Pendens.

Posted by: laurie at June 6, 2008 9:48 AM

Where is the partisan Republican shill who will claim that the economy is actually in good shape?

He will also claim that todays largest increase in unemployment rate in 30 years is alsoa good sign.

He will then argue that the war in Riaq is going well and is good for American Foreign Affairs.

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 10:11 AM

where's the real t-what when you need 'em?

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 10:14 AM

10:11, The economy is in good shape. If you knew anything about anything, you would realize it. Not my fault you're stupid.

Those unemployment numbers disguise the real fact that America is the greatest country on Earth. If you don't like it, I hear Communist Cuba is looking for residents.

The War in Riaq is indeed going very well, thanks for asking. Maybe if you loved your country, you'd be over there helping to guarantee freedom for all Riaquis.

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 10:39 AM

laurie - properties can go into lis pendens for all sorts of reasons other than mortgage payment delinquency, so that view would give you an overestimation.

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 10:45 AM

"Whopping" 177 in Queens? Could this have something to do with Queens having a population of over 2,000,000, and the smallest percentage of renters and the highest percentage of single-family houses in the five boroughs? Just asking.

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 10:46 AM

Extremism exists on both sides 10:39

Posted by: Bold type guest at June 6, 2008 10:47 AM

"The War in Riaq is indeed going very well".

Sure, in the same sense the Vietnam War was a smashing success. Maybe if YOU loved your country, you would do everything you can to get our troops back unharmed and campaign against further killing of Iraqi civilians. If you see nothing wrong with sending in mostly the poor and the marginalized too fight, rather invade, to sustain the military budget and generate enormous profits for the likes of Haliburton, et.al., you have a problem.

Ok, back to our regularly scheduled program...

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 10:53 AM

Morning Asshats! Oh I thought everything was so peachy. Let's look at some things, shall we...

But but employment is strong What. I can afford my Condo payments!

U.S. Payrolls Fall, Unemployment Rate Climbs to 5.5% (Update3)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYjJoECdQ1k0&refer=home

``The labor market is still deteriorating,'' said Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist at Global Insight Inc. in Lexington, Massachusetts.

``The story is, we're still on the verge of a recession'' and ``at best, the economy is growing very, very slowly.''

Uh no, we are witnessing a Depression unfold in real time.. I don't understand everything has turned to crap. When you are outside count how many cars are driving. This is the start of summer and it's a ghost town out there. The Unemployment numbers came in REAL HOT!

Next on the Asshat parade, Evander Holyfield! Yes the "Real Deal" is broke! Now ask yourself one question. If it can happen to him, what about me?

Ex-champ Holyfield having financial woes with home, child support payments

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3428080

"His $10 million estate in suburban Atlanta is under foreclosure, the mother of one of his children is suing for unpaid child support,"

Last but not lease.. U.S. Foreclosures Continue to Soar; NYC Still Not Bleeding

Yeah Right! Go here and get a subscription.--->To Profiles Publications, Inc. New York City’s Premier Foreclosure Listing Service–

http://www.nyforeclosures.com/

This the best Lis Pendens service out there. They will email the list every week, 50 times year.

NY+C is going to get killed! Those condo payments, like the 4000.00 payment on that 2 bedroom.. Yeah right keep dreaming..

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: what at June 6, 2008 11:01 AM

""Whopping" 177 in Queens? Could this have something to do with Queens having a population of over 2,000,000, and the smallest percentage of renters and the highest percentage of single-family houses in the five boroughs? Just asking."

Queens was the hot bed of Subprime/Fraud activity. The was "Investors" all up and down Hillside and Jamaica Avenues.

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..

Posted by: what at June 6, 2008 11:08 AM

Choice bits of wisdom from The What today......"When you are outside count how many cars are driving."

Any intersection in particular?

Posted by: Bold type guest at June 6, 2008 11:11 AM

Make that "to fight" rather than "too fight"...

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 11:12 AM

He wouldn't have caught it anyway Biff.

Posted by: Bold type guest at June 6, 2008 11:17 AM

"."When you are outside count how many cars are driving.""

Your right BTG LMAO... Wake up before you type...

The What

Someday this bad grammar is gonna end...

Posted by: what at June 6, 2008 11:20 AM

Bold type guest, someone should tell The Fake What that cars don't drive cars, people drive cars.

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 11:23 AM

Wow!!! 5.5% unemployment, only 27 million more people have to be laid off and we will be at Depression level unemployment.....

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 11:23 AM

What's an ass who really needs to go back to grade school and learn to write a sentence.

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 11:27 AM

Bold type guest, I think you're right. It was more aimed at smart cookies like you :-)

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 11:37 AM

Wake up 11:23 AM

That number is only 'unemployed'. It doesn't count the people who couldn't find a job and unemployment benefits have dried up.
It also doesn't list all the middle management white collar workers who were makeing 50-90K a year and are now making 25K at Walmart.

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 11:43 AM

A worker making $50K a year is considered white collar? Is that in Louisiana?

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 11:50 AM

Dear PArtisan Republican Shill

Please tell the stock market how good the economy is. It is getting killed today based upon "bogus" bad economic reports.

Please also tell the 1,000,000 dead iraqi's how well the war is going.

also - 1 question. Since McCain has publically threatend to bomb Iran "bomb, bomb,bomb,bomb, bomb, bomb, Ian"

If he is elected president doesnt Iran have the right to Pre-emptively attack the United States? This is the same logic the Bush used to attack Iraq

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 12:04 PM

Yes Biff - In the rest of the USA people make less than in NYC. 50-90K is pretty good.
NYC isn't a little bubble, no matter how much we'd like to think so.

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 12:15 PM

Please June 6, 2008 12:04 PM don't take about the war with Iraq. You see the Asshats don't understand. That was a illegal war to generate profits for the Military Industrial Complex. Bush, Cheney and their Homeboys got paid off the plate (Taxpayer)! Bush gave the Asshats their Mutant Real Estate Bubble and American Idol to divert attention from this war. Americans are dumbasses and when Bush leaves, all hell is gonna break lose. Welcome to the Depression Asshats!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: what at June 6, 2008 12:17 PM

12:04, we're on the same page - see my first post above - but the Iraqi civilian body count is estimated at around 100,000, not 1,000,000, which is still 100,000 too many and a tragedy that was avoidable (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/).
As for McCain, let's stop the bleeding and do what we can to prevent him from getting in office.

Regarding your last statement, I think you're right. Fortunately other countries haven't adopted the same aggressive foreign policies as the U.S.

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 12:19 PM

12:15, I realize that, I was just trying to intersperse some levity in my Iraq war rants. Lets get back to teaming up agains the Republican shill...

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 12:22 PM

Which is part of the reason their currencies are stronger than the dollar right now!!!

Posted by: Bold type guest at June 6, 2008 12:23 PM

NYC looks strong and it is . This is the Financial capital of the WORLD>

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 12:24 PM

Biff...I have voted republican in the past and may do so again in the future; but just not the near future. Please don't paint all of us with the same brush. The current lot in office makes it very hard for me to admit the above though.

Mea culpa

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 6, 2008 12:28 PM

Dave, no, I was referring to the one Republican here, not all Repubicans, but having said that, please tell me you at least didn't vote for W, especially not the second time...Say it ain't so!!

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 12:34 PM

You hit that nail on the head Biff. I did vote for him the first time but not the second time. My primary reason was his control over the supreme court nominations in Year 2. We live and learn. I did vote for that Independent formerly known as the republican Bloomberg.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 6, 2008 12:37 PM

The way the currencies, gold and oil are behaving today you'd think we were going to bomb someplace over the weekend.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 6, 2008 12:40 PM

Ok Dave, I wish you (and enough others) voted for Gore but at least you followed Bush's own words of wisdom, as shown in Fahrenheit 911,

George W. Bush: There's an old saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says: "Fool me once...”
George W. Bush: [pause]
George W. Bush: "... shame on...”.
George W. Bush: [pause]
George W. Bush: "Shame on you...”
George W. Bush: [pause]
George W. Bush: "If fooled, you can't get fooled again."

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 12:43 PM

you people are all retards. The guy said "freedom for all Riaquis." d'ya think he was being sarcastic? Could be.

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 12:44 PM

I suspect Bush may have racked up more idiotic things said than Phil the Greek!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 6, 2008 12:46 PM

Guest 12:44 go back and read again. Now who looks like the ...

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 6, 2008 12:50 PM

Um, 12:44, yes, I do think he was mocking the typo by 10:11, but it's hardly a leap to assume he supports the war based on everything else he said. And referring to people as "retards" is really not very nice.

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 12:54 PM

back to the topic at hand...

10:45 you are right. The real comparison would be all mortgages 3 months past due, which would be foreclosure in some states, mortgage lis pendens here, and who knows what in other states. But comparing properties in foreclosure auctions is way off.

I think Lis Pendens, while it's not great for the bank, benefits both the mortgage holder and potential buyers. It's always better to keep someone in their home if possible and, barring that, give them a way to get out relatively unscathed.

Posted by: laurie at June 6, 2008 1:12 PM

"A worker making $50K a year is considered white collar?"

Yes. "White collar" has nothing to do with how much you make, only what type of work you do.

Per Wikipedia: "White-collar worker refers to a salaried professional or a person whose job is clerical in nature, as opposed to a blue-collar worker whose job is more in line with manual labor."

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 1:40 PM

I'm the Republican Shill and you folks had better have your lapel pins on... because I will pin them ON you if you don't!

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 1:46 PM

But also remember police and firefighters are also considered to be blue collar ( and proudly so)- yet many of them are very highly educated in their fields, and many hold degrees. So blue collar/white collar is a little more hazy these days. FYI the Republican shill refers to himself as Legion.

I'm curious can anyone say why is Queens the hardest hit?

Posted by: bxgrl at June 6, 2008 1:49 PM

Ok, ok, I was kidding on the white collar thing, although my admin was quite amused to find out she's considered white collar! Agree with bxgrl re: "blue collar workers".

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 1:59 PM

Thank Biff - someone told me the terms came about because City generally blue shirts at one time. Anyone know?

But I'm still curious why certain areas seem hardest hit. Is it the neighborhood demographic? Or is it that particular mortgage companies targeted areas and as they failed, so did their homeowners? Sorry to sound so ignorant on this (just a bitter renter :-) ) but it says that the greatest number of foreclosures in FLA, CA and AZ came as no surprise and I'm curious why.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 6, 2008 2:15 PM

Yoo hoo bxgrl! Look at my top post you will see why.

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...

Posted by: what at June 6, 2008 2:20 PM

Hey What...bxgrl ain't no holla' back girl!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 6, 2008 2:24 PM

bxgrl, through the miracle of Wikipedia:

"The term blue-collar is derived from uniform dress codes of industrial workplaces. Industrial and manual workers wear durable clothing that can be soiled or scrapped at work. A popular element of such clothes has been, and still is, a light or navy blue work shirt. Blue is also a popular color for coveralls, and will frequently include a name tag of the company/establishment on one side, and the individual's name on the other. Often these items are bought by the company and laundered by the establishment as well.

The popularity of the color blue among persons who do manual labor is in contrast to the ubiquitous white dress shirt that, historically, has been standard attire in office environments. This obvious color-coding has been used to identify a difference in socio-economic class. This distinction is growing more blurred, however, with the increasing importance of skilled labor, and the growth of non-laboring, but low-paying, service sector jobs."

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 6, 2008 2:25 PM

Say, you guys- thanks one and all! What- thanks for the contextual info. it makes a world of difference in assessing statistics. (I've had that discussion with Mr. Legion).

Wiki- a miracle indeed. Just on another note of curiosity- do any of the foreclosure statistics reflect the income levels of the homeowners? Or even the jobs they held? I mean, could we track by whether they are in finance, or trades for example? Would that even be useful?

Posted by: bxgrl at June 6, 2008 2:54 PM

Do any of the foreclosure statistics indicate the astrological signs of the homeowners?

I'm betting there are more Pisces in foreclosure than any other sign.

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 4:42 PM

Foreclosures only happen when two things combine: overextended people get in trouble (unemployment, sickness, divorce) (or took on adjustable mortgages that were hopeless from the get-go) AND they can't sell, pay off the mortgage and move on.

This means that foreclosures only go up AFTER the market has begun to go down. As long as the market is relatively stable, people with individual crises can sell to people who are doing ok, and no one gets foreclosed upon.

So even the tiny number of foreclosures we are now seeing are cause for concern. They mean that someone, somewhere, was unable to sell their house for enough to cover the mortgage, even though the foreclosure process in NY takes over a year. There will always be a few people who are just too dysfunctional to handle a sale, but the numbers today suggest that the REAL sales prices are down enough in some neighborhoods to wipe out some people's equity.

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 5:10 PM

4:42- I'm betting on Cancer, the Crab (you know who you are!) and bleached blondes with Persian cats that eat Sheba.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 6, 2008 5:18 PM

you can almost feel the joy in their posts, these liberals who want nothing more out of life than to see the United States doing poorly.
Hurray, some economic bad news.
Hurray, another step towards not having to explain to my family why I have no money, no career and no future.
If I hope strongly enough maybe we can be in a depression by the time my high school 20 year reunion comes by and I won't have to explain why I have nothing to show for the last 20 years but a 5 hour a day computer habit.

Come on recession....
lol,
silly rabbits,
see you here next week when the economic numbers even out again.

Legion

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 7:08 PM

by the way, bxgrl,
I appreciate you thinking of me while I was away today.
I was hard at work, after all, millions on welfare are depending on me.

Legion

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 7:12 PM

i think this is the lamest thread i have yet read on brownstoner. please spare us the low level cliched political "discussions."

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 7:49 PM

several of us were looking for you, Legion. We needed a laugh. :-)

Actually since most of my work is on the computer and I work for myself, I can multi-task quite easily.

Glad to hear you're working hard to support so many on welfare- I certainly hope your fellow Republicans appreciate their handouts.Probably spent it on the lapel pins.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 6, 2008 8:12 PM

Legion is the human version of a player piano roll. Play that old time rag!

Posted by: guest at June 6, 2008 11:01 PM

Is a Republican someone who believes in the power of happy talk to change reality? I thought that faith in happy talk was the mark of the evangelists, that Republicans were more focused on taking money from the middle class to give to the rich (in the old days) or to business buddies (in the Bush days) or using the lower classes to fight pointless wars. Live and learn.

Posted by: guest at June 7, 2008 6:26 PM

Fiction: "Republicans were more focused on taking money from the middle class to give to the rich"
Fact: Republicans are the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan. Men of action and history, one saved the nation and ended slavery, one established the United States as a world power and solidified this nation's dominance on the world stage (yes dominance, there are still men with testosterone out here), the last basically ended the titanic struggle between a failed ideology ( founded on the idea that man at his best is only as good as the most mediocre: communism) and democracy which is based on the spirit of the individual and the idea that man's best is achieved through a full freedom of expression.

Fiction: "...taking money from the middle class to give...to business buddies (in the Bush days.

Fact: That would be the Clinton administration that gave US military secrets to the North Koreans through the Loral Deal, allowed the Chinese Government unprecedented access to the US Presidency through operatives like Johnny Cho and "bhuddist donations", was involved in scams like Whitewater, Rose Law firm deals and who could forget the last minute pardons for pay scandals; Frank Rich; a convicted billionaire embezzeler and tax cheat pardoned for a donation to the Clinton Library. Then of course : IMPEACHMENT.


Fiction: "....using lower classes to fight pointless wars."
Fact: recent studies on the US military reveal that the average US soldier is better educated and comes from a higher socio-economic strata than your average American. Look it up if you don't believe me. and yes, Republican politicians have family in Iraq and Afghanistan:look up Republican representatives from California (like D.Hunter), Missouri, Florida and South Dakota to name a few.

When Liberals and Dems stop talking bullsh.t and actually take the time to realize that Republicans are Americans, that we are not the enemy, that we have legitimate and valid points of view, then we can begin to start talking about an actual change in this nation.

Legion

Posted by: guest at June 7, 2008 10:39 PM

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