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June 20, 2008
The Latest (And Not So Greatest) On Bedford Avenue
Since we last took at look at the Bedford Avenue building boom, several of the buildings have been completed. And it ain't a pretty picture. Here are five examples between Wallabout Street and Myrtle Avenue.
Catching Up on the Bedford Avenue Building Boom [Brownstoner]
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It's so depressing to such ugly architecture being built in the city. The suburbs have McMansions, but we have McCondos.
Posted by: BlueDahlia77 at June 20, 2008 9:44 AM
It's so depressing to see such ugly architecture being built in the city. The suburbs have McMansions, but we have McCondos.
Posted by: BlueDahlia77 at June 20, 2008 9:44 AM
This first and last look okay to me. What's terribly wrong with them?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 9:44 AM
It's so depressing to see such ugly architecture being built in the city. The suburbs have McMansions, but we have McCondos.
Posted by: BlueDahlia77 at June 20, 2008 9:44 AM
BLUEDAHLIA77 = DAVEINBEDSTUY
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 9:49 AM
these are being built by hassidic jews right?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 9:50 AM
not the kind of comment I would make
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 9:53 AM
It just so happens that it's a brand new registered guest with no other postings...
How convenient...
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 9:58 AM
nope...for the integrity of the site, i won't do it again.
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 10:01 AM
dave you're played out.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:01 AM
They seem like sturdy, fireproof buildings with modern plumbing, wiring, elevators, and other minor amenities like that. I would rather live in one of these than in the ubiquitous walk-up twenty foot wide tenements (most with wooden stairs!)that are tinder boxes/fire traps.
Code guy
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:01 AM
how is it possible to get buildings built for specific groups of people? is that legal? can non hassidic people live in these buildings? I have read that these buildings are built for the specific needs of this religious group. They need outdoor space for a religious festival yes? But can these buildings really just be for a specific group of people? Does that happen anywhere else? Are they rentals or coops or condos? And how do they go about keeping others out? Wouldn't that be discrimination?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:03 AM
this area is already filled with ugly buildings.
whats the dif?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:04 AM
I'm not hating #1 or #5. At least with #1 they tried something interesting with the lighter-colored stone accents, though those weird ledges are distracting (are those balconies awaiting their safety railings?) #5 has a nice ground floor and the glass makes a nice dramatic statement, especially for a corner building. Numbers 2-4, blech.
Posted by: zeebee_in_bklyn at June 20, 2008 10:12 AM
10:12 = biff
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:18 AM
Nothing to worry about people only hasidics live in these buildings. Walk down wallabout sometime, looks like a hasidic tenement yard!
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:19 AM
The reality is that the majority of ugly buildings are indeed hassidic housing - sure there is other ugliness such as a Karl Fischer or Scarano building, but at least those are somewhat designed, hassidic housing is simply utilitarian first, then affordable and maybe designed as a distant third... I live in south williamsburg and it breaks my heart to see what was torn down to make way for these things (Fischer and Scarano included).
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:27 AM
Yes, I'm definitely new to the Brownstoner message boards (I'm sorry about the multiple posts).
I figured that they were probably in the Hasidic section of Williamsburg, since they look very similar to the already constructed condo buildings. If there is a religious significance to the architecture, then I also apologize for my first comment.
I was also referring more to the condos going up quickly in my neighborhood (I live in Boerum Hill) and on Fourth Avenue. There just doesn't seem to be good home architecture anymore.
Posted by: BlueDahlia77 at June 20, 2008 10:32 AM
I see they got the no fedders memo. let's see if they cut back on the balconies for the 2009 batch.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:34 AM
Thanks Dave. And I believe you.
#2 strongly resembles a "Country Inn", or Holiday Inn express off of any US interstate.
"McCondos". Love it.
Posted by: Nokilissa at June 20, 2008 10:36 AM
These ugly buildings are actually on the north side of Bed-Stuy.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:40 AM
You all really must go see what's happening on the june 4th grocery store thread...
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:45 AM
10:03, always wondered about that myself....
Posted by: aj at June 20, 2008 10:48 AM
Don't apologize for the hasidics! They are not very nice people, and rent out shitholes for ridiculous prices. I had a hasidic landlord and he refused to fix a leak that caused mold for 2 years. Finally when the tenant got sick he was forced to fix the dump. He also "fixed" our sewer line buy cutting away the tile floor and putting a box over where the hole was. If your a women, try to shake a hasidic man's hand for a good laugh!
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:51 AM
What do you mean the June 4th grocery store thread? People have actually gone into archives to keep a post active from 3 weeks ago?
And 10:03, me too. How would that be? Don't get it.
Anyone know?
Posted by: Nokilissa at June 20, 2008 10:53 AM
I can't say this with 100% certainty, but the overhangs (at least in building 1, maybe building 4 as well) look to me like shading mechanisms. A lot of newer green buildings employ this feature to keep direct sunlight from beating down through the windows when it's at its highest point in the sky while still allowing for morning and afternoon light/warmth to enter. Helps to keep spaces cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter and reduce HVAC energy demands.
Even though I'm in the biz and will advocate building green until I'm blue in the face, I will admit they are distracting, but I'm not yet sure if it's because I really don't like them or they're just so new. Either way, I'm afraid energy use issues are far more important than aesthetics at this point, so I plan to get used to them right quick. Not saying they've perfected the design here, but I think we should welcome them as a useful and valuable feature for a new building when done right.
Posted by: GoGoMrPoPo at June 20, 2008 10:53 AM
Don't get to upset or depressed folks.
I doubt most of you or most readers will hardly ever be travelling these blocks anyway -
or even know how to get there.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 10:57 AM
10:03- I'm not sure but I do think if someone wanted to live in one of the buildings, a lot would depend on how they were financed and by who, because Constitutional issues would kick in. I know- but can't quite remember- there was an incident years ago regarding who could get housing in Williamsburg projects and that it created conflicts between Hasidic and Hispanic communities. If they are built solely by Hasidic religious organizations, it's possible they can limit the occupancy to Hasids.
The balconies are for Sukkoth celebrations, so they do have a religious function.
I don't think all of them are horrible, architecturally speaking.I mean if you're going to build a big apartment building, some of these show more effort than the huge monoliths going up all over the city.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 10:58 AM
Nokilissa- :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 11:00 AM
BXGRL = BIFF
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:01 AM
Why would you want to travel down these blocks? This is a terrible area, looks like a 3rd world country. Walk down wallabout, and you'll see what I mean.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:02 AM
"nope...for the integrity of the site, i won't do it again."
LOL...
1. Sure, we trust you! You've got such a great track record!
2. Two days ago this site was your personal trolling grounds, and you though it was hilarious. Now suddenly you care. Ok...
3. You and integrity... I don't think you two have ever met. And you laughed and laughed when everyone told you your rep was shot around here.
4. GTFO and DIAF.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:02 AM
NOKILISSA = BIFF
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:02 AM
10:51- there are religious reasons for not shaking a woman's hand. as for your horrible Hasidic landlord, well, unfortunately in NYC there are horrible landlords of all backgrounds and ethnicities.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 11:03 AM
just ignore all the registered guests.
most are fakes being posted by dave or the what. don't believe me, go look at the june 4th associated supermarket thread. there's some sh*t goin down.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:04 AM
11:02...both...yet you morons continue to focus on our posts and have nothing to add to the thread or most likely, nothing better to do with your time.
Who's the loser now? DMF
Move on..
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 11:05 AM
i've seen MANY a hassidic man literally throw pregnant and elderly women out of the way to get a seat on the subway.
i consider myself a tolerant person, but these people are downright nasty, rude and disgusting.
i think i mentioned before that i was also once HISSED at by a hassidic women because i was walking with my boyfriend (i'm a man).
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:05 AM
most are fakes being posted by dave or the what.
Sorry, meant dave and biff. i would actually welcome the what at this point!
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:06 AM
http://www.cirp.org/news/journalnews02-03-05/
Hasids are so nasty it's unbelievable. You couldn't make stuff like this up. It's too twisted.
Seriously: "A lawyer for the Monsey Hasidic rabbi suspected of transmitting a fatal case of herpes to a baby boy during a circumcision said yesterday that the practice of suctioning blood orally is thousands of years old and integral to the religion."
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:08 AM
Not true! Hasidic landlords will try to screw over non-hasidics any way they can. They are absolutely the worst landlords one can have. They are not friendly people- beware!
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:10 AM
"Who's the loser now? DMF"
Thanks for continuing to help the integrity of the site, Dave!
You're the one who started all this trolling bullshit. No one will focus on you if you just leave. Just quit posting. You're not wanted here, and yes, you continuing to post WILL result in 'focus'. After playing us all for assholes, we're supposed to...what? Pretend you're a cool guy?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:14 AM
Its not dave posting chill out, I am just an average tenant that is mad at hasidics.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:15 AM
if everybody hates the hassids so much, shouldn't we be happy they build themselves into these ugly buildings and don't let anybody else in? shabbat shalom!
Posted by: Jimmy Legs at June 20, 2008 11:16 AM
And if I stop posting what will become of your intellectual on-topic posts???
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 11:17 AM
FYI - The Jews of South Williamsburg are mostly anti-Zionist Satmars. Ever notice the cars in this area - all minivans! The good news is that they (now) mostly vote democratic and were a key factor in electing John Hall in upstate New York! They're other main outpost is Kiryas Joel (and B&H Photo).
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:19 AM
B&H= HASIDIC BEST BUY
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:22 AM
The Monsey Hasidic rabbi is a fanatic and their practice of circumcision is disgusting. Period.
Are Hasids warm and fuzzy people? Nope. But Hasids are also a varied group, with many different sects and unless you know everyone (we're talking tens of thousands here) condemning a group for the actions of a few,is a no no. But then, on brownstoner it seems to be the thing to do.
I have never seen a Hasidic man act that way and as for being hissed at by Hasidic women- I think its despicable. but why single them out? Take a look around at what fundamentalist Christian groups are doing- and they are trying to make life even more difficult for you in the courts. How about those 2 "Christian" doctors in Ca. who refused to give fertility treatments to a gay woman? Hissing is the least of the problems.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 11:22 AM
Bxgrl you obviously haven't lived in bedsty/hasidicville before. These people have no respect for others and consider outsiders goy or cattle. They're not tolerant to outsiders, and will rip them off any chance they get. They are worse than any other group because of the extreme disrespect of outsiders. If this wasn't true I wouldn't have any problem with them, but it is.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:27 AM
why you ask? because they designed the condos on this thread.Not the fundamentalist chrsitain groups. Dont twist this around for "hits" Biff.
on topic: giving VD to a new born?? That the foulist how grimey is that!
I wonder why this story is not on the front page of the NY Post? Hmmmmm
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:28 AM
11:28..it was all over the news back in February...even TV news coverage...awful
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 11:31 AM
dave: "And if I stop posting what will become of your intellectual on-topic posts???"
[ ] stopped posting
[ ] intellectual
[ ] on-topic
[x] tiny dick
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:34 AM
I have to admit as a long time reader, and infrequent commenter, dave and biff are really annoying.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:35 AM
11:28: giving VD to a newborn *by sucking the newborn's freshly mutilated cock!*
I've never even heard sterotypes that horrible.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:38 AM
What happened to all those crazy anti-semitic rants from this thread?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:39 AM
11:27- I'm in Crown Heights, my family was orthodox until my teens and yes, Hasids are insular. many came out of the concentration camps- if that didn't make you insular, nothing would. but if you want to point out their "extreme disrespect" of outsiders, I've seen quite a bit of that directed their way as well. Let's call it mutual extreme disrespect-
and again- bad landlords come in every ethnicity.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 11:40 AM
I wonder what percentage of recent posts on this site are related to real estate. At this point I'm finding myself spending a lot less time here because every discussion seems to degenerate into a silly feud between "guests" versus Dave (and his various alter egos), Biff and Nokilissa. I for one can do without it.
Posted by: Brooklynnative at June 20, 2008 11:46 AM
“Antisemitism” itself is a superfluous phrase. Racism is racism. Why is there a special label for some particular brand of it. Why is there no such thing as anti-blackism, anti-asianism or anti-arabism? A Semite is basically a person allegedly descended from one of Noah’s sons, Shem. As there is no way to ascertain Shem’s DNA, the label Semite is generally applied to peoples who speak any of the Semitic languages, like Hebrew or Arabic.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:49 AM
No one is answering my question about how there are buildings built to meet the specific needs of one religious group and how that building is then able to house that one specific group of people without violating housing laws.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:49 AM
11:49 -
It does violate housing laws - but the DOH and other gov't organization turn the other cheek when the hasids break laws, since they have alot of politcal clout.
remember that warehouse they were using as a school on Kent Avenue that looked like it was ready to fall down/spontaneously combust?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:54 AM
Brooklynnative...I hate to point out the obvious, but what part of your post at 11:46 was about real estate...?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:56 AM
11:49
Here's an answer. First, you are focusing on one constitutional issue - the 14th Amendment protection against discrimination but you are ignoring the 1st Amendment protection for freedom of religion. Moreover, I forget the name of the act, Religion Reformation or something, but Congress passed a law a number of years back saying the government must be be tolerant of religious practices. So there are both constitutional and statutory protections here. A third issue is who built the buildings - the state or a private developer. Granted a private developer is not supposed to discriminate against certain categories of people - but I think a private developer raises fewer issues than if the state built it. Finally, it might also be the case that no one has challenged this practice. Until a person files a lawsuit, the practice can continue even if it's not legal.
Posted by: Brooklynnative at June 20, 2008 12:00 PM
It seems the answer is complicated- the Hasidic community acts as an FBO to build housing and markets it to that community. However, it is supposed to be illegal to deny housing to someone who is not Hasid. On the other side, people who are not Hasid might not even apply because they would be made to feel uncomfortable.
I haven't been able to find out much more than that but it does seem that Bush's FBO initiatives have made it easier for all religious groups to use their religious rights to practice discrimination. It isn't just the Hasids, but it does seem to be a practice among fundamentalist religious groups.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 12:09 PM
Either way, they are still stinky and mean and they clog up the South 4th post office.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:10 PM
i like Biff....i can't explain it.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:14 PM
11:49 AM Being Jewish is not a race. Therefore if you don't like Jews (Jewish Culture) you are anti-semitic. The Hasids are a white/European ethnic group.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:14 PM
12:14 = bxgrl
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:18 PM
The Hasdim....who need 'em?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:19 PM
Are you retarded? A Semite is basically a person allegedly descended from one of Noah’s sons, Shem. As there is no way to ascertain Shem’s DNA, the label Semite is generally applied to peoples who speak any of the Semitic languages, like Hebrew or Arabic.
*Arabs are semites also, so the term anti-semitic is incorrect.*
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:19 PM
Don't need a cure,
Don't need a cure,
Don't need a cure,
Need a final solution.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:20 PM
So what's the correct term smart ass(12:19)?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:22 PM
Sorry but being Jewish is a race - as much as being Black or Asian is anyway...i.e. certain genetic markers generally present, similar historical backgrounds and similar cultural base.....
Race isnt soley defined by the shade of your skin.
And therefore in light of the above - let me say that I do not mind all the I hate Hassid comments because they are backed up by anecdotes of true situations.
Which is why I hate Arabs - b/c it is a fact that THEY flew a plane into my office building and killed alot of my friends and collegues - and I hate Blacks because THEY robbed me once and are often loud and obnoxious in public places.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:26 PM
Back on real estate...anyone seen the back page of am ny today?
Ad for the williamsburge Edge condos with prices in Euros, Yen and 10 other currencies.
www.amny.com
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 12:27 PM
12:26...glad no white people ever robbed anyone and are never loud and obnoxious in public places
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 12:29 PM
Nobody said being jewish wasn't a race 12:26. The point is the term anti-semite is incorrect since jews and arabs are both semitic cultures.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:30 PM
Hasids are a sect and ecthnic group. They are not a race seperate from Whites. On the census they are included as white. Arabs/some Hispanics are a mixture of many races.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:32 PM
I like teh one with all glass though the balconies are oddly placed and look too small for anything other than a cigarette break.
Gee, Biif is gone and bxgrl is posting all day. Yesterday, Biff was here and bxgrl was nowhere to be found. Interesting.
bxgrl: So now you live in Brooklyn? Didn't you say you lived in the Bronx? Get your alter-ego story straight, Biff.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:33 PM
Noah was a black man. So being Jewish is not a race.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:36 PM
The balconies are made for each hasidic families 14 kids to play in.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:36 PM
Saying that a Jew is a racial gategory is like saying a Buddhist or Christian is race. You guys are soooo dumb.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:41 PM
Jewish is not a race. It's a religion. There are Israeli Jews, Russian Jews, Polish Jews, Amerinca Jews, etc.
If you think Jewish is a race, than Christian is a race??
Such hate on this tread...and most of it towards people and not those ugly buildings.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:47 PM
Those ugly people live in those ugly buildings, and they are mean and smelly. They believe white people are "goy" or cattle. So why do we not have the right to hate them back?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:49 PM
Don't forget Yemeni, Egyptian, Ethipoian and etc...
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:50 PM
It's an ethno-religion jackasses.
From Wikepedia:
A Jew is a member of the Jewish people, an ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the ancient Middle East. The ethnicity and the religion of Judaism, the traditional faith of the Jewish nation, are strongly interrelated, and converts to Judaism are both included and have been absorbed within the Jewish people throughout the millennia.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:51 PM
Ok 12:41 - then please define "race" for us?
Jews generally have distinct genetic markers (DNA), have similar historic backgrounds (generally 2 groups - 1 was kicked out of Israel and resided in Europe and the other was kicked out of Israel and resided in the Middle East/Spain.) and they as a group have generally maintained their separate identity with limited assimilation/conversion of the racial groups among with they lived.
The above is about as close to a definition of race as your going to get (besides the human race)
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:51 PM
Christian are so hateful, they don't try to understand anyone elses culture and traditions. All they care about are themselves and devious needs/desires.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:52 PM
So why the hell are they in Williamsburg then? Is it the promised land?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:53 PM
12:47 - you mean like you have Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Thai - I gues "Asian" isnt a race
And since you have Lebanese Arabs, and Egyptian Arabs and Iraqi Arabs - then Arab isnt a race
and since you have Jamacian Blacks, and Ethiopian Blacks and African Americans then Black isnt a race.....
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:54 PM
What about Charlotte who converted??
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 12:55 PM
And Where's "Aussie" Don't see "him" posting today but Dave is making plenty comments.
These nuts are real sickos.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:56 PM
12:51 - stop calling people Jackasses and please tell us the difference between a race and an ethnicity, and further please cite any ethnicity or race that hasnt absorbed or mixed with any other ethnicity or races throughout millennia
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:57 PM
They are not a race, we established that. The point is they are mean, and smelly and break all housing rules and laws. I have seen some very unsafe hasidic structures along wallabout, they need to do something about this.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 12:58 PM
Arabs are not a race they are a mixture of Asian, White and African races. Jews are basically the same. That is why you can find a Jew, Muslim and Christian of any race. The Hasids in Williamsburg happen to be white. Some jews in Midwood are of Arab decent. Some in Washington, D.C. are of Ethipoian decent.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:00 PM
12:33- born and raised in the Bronx, now (and for many years) live in Brooklyn. Jewish. anything else?
12:20- you are disgusting and subhuman.
12:51- nearly every group that lived for long periods in geographically defined areas will show common genetic markers because of intermarriage within groups. But Jews are a religion- if it were a race, people who convert to Judaism would never be considered Jews because of genetics. I can never be a Black person because of my genetic make up. I can become a Jew or a Buddhist, or a Christian, or a Wiccan if I convert.
Hitler loved the idea of Jews being a race, as opposed to the Aryans. Kind of ridiculous when you consider he himself did not fit his definition of aryan and even more amazing that a whole nation was too stupid to figure that out.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 1:05 PM
12:55 = Troll
12:54 i think you meant Lebanese muslims, and Egyptian muslims and Iraqi muslims -
then Jamacian christians, and Ethiopian christians and African American christains.
The Jews in Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabian Jews.
The only reason you say Jewish is race is Because you have a hard time telling your children the origianl Jews were black people. Can you imagine the shock wave!
The Ethiopian Jews still guard the Arch of the Covenant!
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:06 PM
This building is missing the most important element of Hasidic housing - security bars on the windows.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:07 PM
LOL, don't worry the security bars on the windows will get put up next.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:09 PM
1:06...where is the "Arch" of the Covenant??
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 1:10 PM
daiff eat a fatty!
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:14 PM
Dave- depending, it can be on your foot or over your doorway :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 1:21 PM
But if "jews" werent a 'race' then if you didnt beleive in God - you wouldnt be a jew - but in reality you are because your ethnicity is Jewish and in reality neither the term ethnicity or race has a precise meaning but under the commonly used definition of race/ethnicity - Jews qualify.
The fact that there is/was a limited amount of conversion and absorbotion doesnt change this - otherwise Obama would be "Caucasian" - unless you want to define race soley by your pigment - in which case what race would Wesley Snipes be?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:35 PM
i dont get it...you pour your lil heart out hoping for comment of the day then you sit back and poke fun at typos?
Get a life loser!
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:39 PM
WHAT? 1:35
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 1:39 PM
My husband is a bearded Muslim man. We went to Crown heights (black section) to check out a house. Then we crossed Eastern Parkway to the Jewish section and walked around. The stares he got. It was thrilling to know we were making people uncomfortable.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:45 PM
biff = micropenis
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:51 PM
Awesome comments here. Here's another:
Anyone know the song "Good Arms Vs. Bad Arms"? Take my word, mofos, it's totally good.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:54 PM
I found this in a PBS piece entitled "Race, the Power of Illusion". Thought it added a different element to the discourse here:
While race and ethnicity share an ideology of common ancestry, they differ in several ways. First of all, race is primarily unitary. You can only have one race, while you can claim multiple ethnic affiliations. You can identify ethnically as Irish and Polish, but you have to be essentially either black or white. The fundamental difference is that race is socially imposed and hierarchical. There is an inequality built into the system. Furthermore, you have no control over your race; it's how you're perceived by others. For example, I have a friend who was born in Korea to Korean parents, but as an infant, she was adopted by an Italian family in Italy. Ethnically, she feels Italian: she eats Italian food, she speaks Italian, she knows Italian history and culture. She knows nothing about Korean history and culture. But when she comes to the United States, she's treated racially as Asian.
I think most people associate race with biology and ethnicity with culture. It's important to stress the culture and language part of it. Ethnicity isn't just a question of affiliation; it's also a question of choice. It's also a question of group membership. And it's usually associated with a geographic region. It's also often confused or conflated with nationality, but that's not the same thing. Today people identify with ethnicity positively because they see themselves as being part of that group. People can't just simply say, "Well, I want to become a member of that race." You either are or are not a member of that race. Whereas, if you wanted to look at ethnicity based on culture, you could learn a language, you can learn customs - there are things that you can learn so that you could belong to that group.
I think the most powerful argument about the differentiation between race and ethnicity is that race becomes institutionalized in a way that has profound social consequences on the members of different groups.
Posted by: Nokilissa at June 20, 2008 1:57 PM
"But if "jews" werent a 'race' then if you didnt beleive in God - you wouldnt be a jew - but in reality you are because your ethnicity is Jewish "
No that person is a Non- practicing Jew. Just like there's Non- practicing Catholics or Muslims out there.
Don’t confuse yourself .
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 1:58 PM
That last building's not so bad.
Posted by: KHuebbe at June 20, 2008 2:00 PM
yes that building is bad! It really doesn't go with the neighborhood. It doesn't conform to the shitty rat-infested brownstones of BEDSTY!
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 2:03 PM
You can be Jewish ethnically, without a belief in G-d. In fact Judaism doesn't technically require a belief in G-d, but living by its laws. You aren't condemned or exalted by whether you believe but by your good or evil deeds. Indeed the lines between defining race and ethnicity have blurred but the genetic diversity across peoples who are Jews is huge. You can be born into a Jewish family but there is no Jewish gene.
1:45- Considering that many Muslims live in the neighborhood, as well as Blacks and Jews, I hardly think you aroused as much interest as you think. And if making people uncomfortable is your goal in life, it isn't much of one.In truth, the closest you've been to Crown Heights is NJ. Crossing Eastern Parkway still puts you in a mixed neighborhood, not an exclusively Jewish one. In fact many of my Black friends who live on the other side of EP would be quite offended to know they don't live there.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 2:04 PM
Hasidic stroller mafia = worst of all
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 2:10 PM
the June 4 supermarket thread really does show how pathetic biff and bxgirl ( same person? ) are! I almost feel sorry for how sad their lives must be.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 2:30 PM
2:30 :-)
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 2:40 PM
Can someone line to the June 4 supermarket thread?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 2:40 PM
If we got rid of all the posts except the ones relating directly about the buildings...there would be about 10 posts.
Where are you morons going with all this nonsense?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 2:48 PM
2:48...if you say things like that and call them morons they will think you're really daveinbedstuy
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 2:53 PM
Brooklynnative, from 11:46am post, what gives? I've always liked you.
And bxgrl, :)
I get it now!
Posted by: Nokilissa at June 20, 2008 2:55 PM
So is Bxgrl finally admitting that he's Biff?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 3:05 PM
The hasidics clog up our streets with their stroller mafia, the take subway seats from old ladies, they believe white people are cattle, they rent out shitty apartments in bedsty, they hiss at gay couples on the street, they smell and clog up the south 4th post office.
-I think that sums it up!a
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 3:12 PM
3:05...i wasn't sure what that meant either...maybe bxgrl is dating Biff....despite what others believe, they are two separate people
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 20, 2008 3:27 PM
3:05- Nah. for all the times we're told to "get a room", we did- sorta. I'm not Biff-and doesn't matter if you insist I am. the last I heard, truth is based on fact, not insistence.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 3:27 PM
And don't forget their great propensity to shove pregnant women aside.
Yup, 3:12, pretty much sums up the sentiments on this one. Nice, huh?
I used to think the only remaining "acceptable" prejudice was against overweight people - though homosexuals and Muslims still see their share of flak. My rose-tinted lenses need a good bleaching.
Posted by: Nokilissa at June 20, 2008 3:29 PM
LOL bxgrl. You did get a (virtual) room!
Love it.
Posted by: Nokilissa at June 20, 2008 3:31 PM
Isnt Biff married?
So Bx you snuck into an old thread to make out? What a cheap wink wink!
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 3:36 PM
3:36- oh I know! blush..blush. but it was a bit of fun.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 3:50 PM
bxgirl -
Did you get to touch Biff's virtual wee wee? I bet it's smaller than his real one, if possible.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 4:10 PM
bxgrl / Biff: You going back to insulting people @ 2:04 ...
"And if making people uncomfortable is your goal in life, it isn't much of one.In truth, the closest you've been to Crown Heights is NJ."
If insulting people on this site is your goal in life - and it certainly is - it isn't much of one.
And now you live in Brooklyn. In earlier posts you talked proudly of living in the Bronx and how others couldn't handle it. You now say you haven't lived in teh Bronx for decades. You are the biggest liar on this site. YEs, even more than Dave.
bxgrl = Biff = liar.
When are you toggling back to your Biff log-in?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 4:19 PM
10:54 - you hit the nail right on the head. The hasidic community has a ridiculous amount of clout & pull with the AG office, the mayors office, the DOB and all other city organizations. Because they are such a large community they can sway elections. And they do. And everyone wants their votes, therefore they can get away with pretty much everything. Including bait & switch schemes using a yeshiva to get DOB approval and then selling the condos on the open market when the yeshiva backs out.
All of these buildings were built by either yeshivas or hasidic religious organizations. They hang the posters & info on the surrounds when they start construction. All are on bedford north of Myrtle. The temple looking one with the rounded glass windows is especially weird looking in person.
After construction is complete they then 'sell' (i use that term loosely - its hard to actually track money chaging hands in the hasidic community) the units to those that are part of the organization. That is how they keep non-hasidics out.
And the police, city, AG, DOB & mayor will never touch them because they all want their votes. Very corrupt.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 4:19 PM
biff = jake dobkin
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 4:28 PM
I swear last year Bx said she was a latina in Sunset. Today she is a Hasidm Jezebel from Crown Heights.
Maybe Biff's wife was reading your little "blush blush" comments.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 4:30 PM
On the other hand, the wives are usually pretty hot. 24 yeaars old and three kids already.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 4:33 PM
bxgrl is completely nuts. Even IF she isn't Biff, she is just as crazy and as big a liar. She certianly posts as often as Biff - who is still mysteriously missing today.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 4:47 PM
what's with the sensoring going on on this thing?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 4:53 PM
Per the request on the link to Biff's and bxgirl's sad virtual hookup:
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/06/streetlevel_slo_4.php#comments
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/
archives/2008/06/streetlevel_slo_4.php#comments
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 5:59 PM
Since Biff = bxgrl, sex between them is like sticking a dildo up your own @ss and saying you got lucky. Considering both of them need to get laid, anything would be an improvement.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 6:29 PM
That was the most pathetic thing I have seen in years, 5:59. Biff and bxgrl are total losers.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 6:48 PM
5:59 Biff really tried to turned up his mack game with that "see I pay attention to you" line at 1:05. LOL
What a freaking loser. I wonder if they are hiding in another ancient thread somewhere in the brownstoner archives?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 7:02 PM
BIFF AND BXGRL AN NOKILISSA ARE THE SAME PERSON!
Trust me on this one.
JUST LIKE DAVEINBEDSTUY, BOLD TYPE GUEST AND AUSSIE ARE THE SAME PERSON.
IGNORE THOSE 6 (AND ANY NEW REGISTERED POSTERS) AND WE'LL BE JUST FINE AND CONTINUE ON WITH MORE INFORMATIVE AND LESS IGNORANT POSTINGS
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 7:12 PM
7:02 - I'm sure Douche Champion and his small penis are hiding somewhere, but I agree with 7:12 that it is best just to ignore him and others. This blog, in terms of any real worth, is dead.
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 7:32 PM
Ok, here's the amazing thing about the guest troll losers. I didn't post one thing here yet today and I was mentioned in no less than 22 posts! I believe it was something like 8 times in the previous thread before posting my one comment. 30 mentions in two threads without showing up today. Doesn't get much more obsessed than that. And people complain about the bold typers hijacking threads? Keep reacting to me, it keeps me relevant.
Posted by: Biff Champion at June 20, 2008 7:33 PM
Wow, and yet another post about me while I was typing at 7:30! People, YOU are the ones who need a life! One day you'll realize you're my puppets.
"it is best just to ignore him and others"
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Proving AGAIN how unbelievably dumb you are. Over 30 posts about me in two threads that I haven't appeared in and you're still talking about how you need to ignore me. But you just can't for some reason...L-O-S-E-R
Posted by: Biff Champion at June 20, 2008 7:36 PM
I think maybe the genius who has made the brilliant leap that Biff, bx girl, etc are all the same sad, lonely person should now explain what would be stopping them from logging in on more than one account in a single day?
Also, after reading this board a lot lately, especially in the last few weeks, I think I'm in favor of required registration. It's easy to be an anonymous asshat. Why not be an anonymous asshat with a kicky handle?
Moving onto the topic at hand, there were some really nice brownstones along a lot of Bedford avenue in that area. Have they all been torn down to build this stuff?
I've always been fascinated by the Hasids and their community. I also used to be easily amused by walking my dog down Lee Avenue and watching everyone part like the Red Sea.
Posted by: Heather at June 20, 2008 8:20 PM
how many "screens" today Dave?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 9:07 PM
My g-d, heather- what kind of dog was it? :-)
Now that I think about it, is it possible there is a religious aversion to dogs? I know Muslims don't like dogs.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 20, 2008 9:08 PM
This is the problem with groups like hassidics or devout muslims: they are parasitic.
They live in a nation established as a haven for expression (religious or otherwise), yet they choose to exclude themselves from the main culture and look down upon it (God only knows why).
This in itself would not be that bad if these people lived in some mountain retreat or backwoods hideaway. The real problem is that they choose, instead, to live amongst the "apostates" they so despise. In other words, they don't mind feeding off of the general populace to maintain their lifestyle.
This is different from your run of the mill fundamentalist christian or devout catholic whose religion is one of tolerance and openness and who actually enjoys engaging with the rest of America.
It is worse in the case of these "devout islamists" who choose to leave their middle eastern homeland for what?..to have their women wear a bedsheet with two eyes cut out and forced to walk 3 paces behind. What exactly was the difference living back in Saudi Arabia for that matter?
Posted by: guest at June 20, 2008 11:01 PM
A chow mix. I don't think it's religious -- I've googled the topic, lol.
Posted by: Heather at June 20, 2008 11:21 PM
"This is different from your run of the mill fundamentalist christian or devout catholic whose religion is one of tolerance and openness and who actually enjoys engaging with the rest of America." Tolerance? Openness? You tolerant of those who agree with them on abortion and birth control and gay rights and who goes to hell if they don't believe as they do? The tolerant and open Christians who decimated native populations in every country and continent they colonized? The Christians who invented the Crusades,the Inquisition, Ghettos, Pogroms, Gay-bashing, black only water fountains, concentration camps and the white sheets with eye holes and pointy hats? Those Christians? Are you referring to good Christian men like Falwell and Robertson who blamed abortion and gay rights for 9-11? Or the rev. Hagge who said G-d gave us Hitler to force Jews to go to Israel? Those christians??? (And have you forgotten all those Catholic priests who are known child abusers? )That's your idea of engaging with the rest of America? Please give me the isolationist Hasids and Muslims.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 21, 2008 12:46 AM
I havent had a lot of dealings w/ Hasidim. I do know this though....nine times out of ten, the last subway seat to fill within any given car will be next to a hasidic male. Sitting 2 seats away nearly guarantees you wont get squished by anyone trying to fit into that middle seat and elbowing you all the way home.
Posted by: slick at June 21, 2008 3:30 AM
uhh, does bxgrl have it in for Christians or what?lol.
Hello, we are talking about today. not 1130AD.The crusades were a few hundred years ago.
As far as decimating native populations; isn't that the story of all mankind? From our ancestors making Neandertals extinct 100,000 years ago to Mongolian hordes, to Persian invaders, to Mayan human sacrafice, to African tribes sending war captives to enslavement, it goes on and on. Every color of humanity. NOT just white christian.
Hey, but you wanted to go there.
Here in modern America, which is what we are talking about. The christian majority has actually evolved over the past 400 years, while hassidic communities look back to 17th century Russia and Muslims look back to 8th century Medina.
Through the judicial,legislative and executive branches America has decided to give women every right they deserve as equals. Something hassidics and strict islamists don't agree with.
So you would rather go on a rant about the possibility of making abortion a state issue as it should always have been, and what the right wing in america is advocating, rather than face up to the fact that we are living with religious sects who blatently undermine the very idea that women are at all equal (they are instead a form of chattel, if you don't believe me, check out the latest uproar in France where a French, secular, court decided to anull a muslim marriage on the basis that the woman was not a virgin "as promised", therby demoting all women to the status of packaged meat.)
Hey, but why think of these things when you have an ax to grind with the majority population of America, probably because of your own personal demons, which might be excusable, weren't for your blatant disregard for historical fact and world trends.
Legion
Posted by: guest at June 21, 2008 8:16 AM
Hey Legion- what rock have you been hiding under re womens rights and gay rights? It is fundamentalist Christian organizations that are suing in the courts over women's rights (and fyi- a women's body belongs to her, not the fundamentalists of any religion or any state unless you want to grant the state the right to decide if your male equipment should be left intact or you should be fixed so as to control the population)), fighting a woman's right to choose, her decision to use birth control, shooting doctors who perform medical procedures they don't agree with,fighting and launching lawsuits over gay rights.
"Christian" doctors and pharmacists are denying people services based on their fundamentalist beliefs- At least it isn't the Hasids (one "s") and the Islamists doing that here.
You might also want to consider the fact that the Bill of rights is not to protect the majoritiy, but to protect the minority from the excess of the majority (look it up). Beleive me, my personal demons have nothing to do with Christians and everything to do with fundamentalists- of any group.
You need to stick your head in a newspaper and keep up with the world and learn a little history. But as we both know, you're not here for facts or truth.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 21, 2008 4:52 PM
Yeah, you guys are right - fuckin' Jews ruin everything.
Posted by: guest at June 21, 2008 7:29 PM
bxgrl,
spare us the self-righteous rants about how your body is your right and so and so. Look at a 3-D sonogram of a fetus and tell me that is not a human being inside, even at 4 months it is a miniature person. the fetus can smile, has REM sleep and feels pain. In a civilized society are we not expected to advocate on their behalf? now think about abortion, hey you wanted to bring this up, and think about that small human being slowly torn out of the womb because it is the mother's "right".
A responsible society is charged with limiting and defining such a life changing/altering practice, not indiscriminately giving carte blanche because a few feminists beat their chests.
By the way, I like how American liberal women are so militant about rights, but conveniently ignore the fact that millions of women have been liberated from far worse than limited abortion rights, in Afghanistan and Iraq, by American forces. Instead of acknowledging that fact, they prefer to continue their zombie like chant of Bush bad, Bush bad, Bush bad. It is hypocrisy defined.
Here's a newsflash; your right to your body is an illusion.
Can you walk around with a transmissible disease if you want to? No, you will be quarantined like that imbicile on the plane last year who had multi-drug resistant TB.
Can you take your own life if you want to? no, you will be institutionalized if you try to.
Can you walk down Broadway nude? No you will be arrested if you do.
Can you sell your body for sex? No it is against the law and defined as prostitution.
Can you leave your body to be eaten by wild animals after your demise? No, it goes against health code, your corpse will be taken by the state and frozen instead, while a suitable disposal is determined.
Your so-called rights to your body are constantly being demarcated and defined by the society at large. It's part of the social contract. Get used to it.
Posted by: guest at June 21, 2008 8:49 PM
Legion you didnt even have to take it there. A person can't be pro-choice and defend radical muslims and jews.
She's looking for rise.
Posted by: guest at June 21, 2008 9:13 PM
Muslims do not dislike dogs. In many Arab countries families raise soloukies which are highly regarded. They do have a problem with the saliva of dogs though. If the saliva touches them they have to bathe before making prayers.
Islam gave rights to women before women got many of those rights in Western society. They included the right to own property, the right to vote, the right to choose your spouse, etc... Arab men later decided to hold councils to come up with a set of laws -Shariah- to clarify what was written in the Quran. As men ususally do, they fucked shit up. If they were truly Muslim they would not have tried to clarify what God wanted. Much of what we perceive to be "Islam" is actually Arab culture. West African Islam has a distinct West Africa flavor and is now where as restrictive. Since the Arabs were the wealthiest Muslims after oil was found in Arabia (the Saudi part was made up.)Oil was found on the lands of the Saud family. The Saud family and the Wahab family were closely related, it was their brand of Islam Wahabism or Wahabi's, one of the most extreme, that spread to India which later became Pakistan and Bengaladesh, parts of West Africa and of late Idonesia. If the oil been found on the lands of more moderate factions in Arabia at that time, those families would have then become the "royal' family and the face of Islam would be very different today. Of course if 'if' were a fifth I'd be drunk.
Posted by: guest at June 21, 2008 10:35 PM
Jesus was a Jew. Care to keep insulting Jews?
Legion is a neoconservative with limited intellectual capacity - Just like Bush. If men were made to have vasectomies, they'd have a little more understanding about the right to one's body. It's just easy to be a hypocrite when it isn't your body.
"Can you leave your body to be eaten by wild animals after your demise?" I'm surprised you asked, since if you die in a place where wild animals abound, it isn't by choice. You do understand that after you're dead you don't get much say so in these things?
As for "fact that millions of women have been liberated from far worse than limited abortion rights, in Afghanistan and Iraq, by American forces."- you must be the most uneducated, uncomprehending and delusional human being on the face of the planet- except for Bush. Do you even know where those countries are? do you have a clue why we are fighting there? Frankly, We haven't done anything for civilian women in those countries except render them collateral damage, kill their men and children and destroy their homes.
You know, when I told you to stick your head in a newspaper I thought you understood you had to take it out of your butt first.
you're very knowledgeable, 10:35. thanks for posting facts and history. Fascinating, actually. Of course while Europe was in the Dark Ages, it was the Arabs who literally saved western science, medicine, and learning in their libraries. Not, I'm sure most of the people on this blog care. they're having too much fun venting and spewing ignorance and hate. A fifth sounds good about now.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 21, 2008 11:41 PM
People hate Jews for one reason, and it's because of their intelligence and success....
Most people who hate Jews are unintelligent and have no success...
It's a fact....
Posted by: guest at June 22, 2008 12:37 AM
12:37 AM ......Ditto 100%
Posted by: guest at June 22, 2008 1:58 AM
People hate Jews and other ethnic, racial and religious groups for many reasons. Some of those people are unintelligent and have no success but unfortunately not all of them are. That excuse would be too easy. It is very scary to think that an otherwise intelligent, educated and successful person could be capable of such hate. We have many examples, Henry Ford being only one, of many people who hate Jews and others for no good reason.
Posted by: guest at June 22, 2008 11:23 AM
People hate what they fear, and they hate those who are different. And we live in a world that fosters divisiveness not unity. People love scapegoats and Blacks and Jews seem to get the worst of it.
Hatred of Jews goes back to early Christianity and has been passed down through 1000's of years. Kind of amazing when you people say the past is the past, and history isn't important.
Posted by: guest at June 22, 2008 11:40 AM
You jews calm down, and stop twisting the topic(s). Dont let a few trolls get to youz.
I thought we were discussing fundamentalist walking and living among us in Brooklyn?
Posted by: guest at June 22, 2008 6:27 PM
I never really thought that I couldn't move into one of these buildings (for not being hasidic).... I'm black (so maybe that makes it worse...
ps (on a different idea, I was told being truly Jewish is passed onfrom your mother's side and even converts are judged by G-d differently then the children of Abraham...so doesn't that kinda make it a race..)
Posted by: guest at June 22, 2008 7:21 PM
I hear in the Hindu faith, they belive in reincarnation...so doesn't that kinda make them Transformers?
Posted by: guest at June 22, 2008 8:40 PM
that was great 8:16! Thanks for the laugh!
You were told sorta wrong, 7:21. Yes- you are considered Jewish through your mother's side but that because in biblical times there was no way to prove fatherhood. but tracing your heritage is the same as cultures that have family clans. It traces your family relationships. If a Jewish woman has a child by a Black man, that child is still considered Jewish. If you convert, you are no longer considered Jewish, except by heritage.
Jews don't go out to find converts- Jews believe that if someone truly wants to be Jewish, they will come to us.in fact, converts are considered to be better Jews than born Jews, the thinking being that they made the choice for themselves and so are more committed to Judaism.
Posted by: guest at June 22, 2008 11:17 PM
That is interesting 11:17. It is pretty much the same with Muslims. Converts are often held in high esteem because they chose the faith and often practice a pure - NOT FUNDAMENTALIST - Islam which has not been adulterated with a lot of the cultural nonsense often affiliated with Islam itself. Many Arab's who are not the majority of Muslims in the world, often don't make prayers or fast Ramadan but will feed into anti-Jewish, anti-American rhetoric.
Posted by: guest at June 23, 2008 10:19 PM
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