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June 13, 2008

March, Rally Held Over Crown Heights Homeless Plan

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Yesterday afternoon Concilwoman Tish James led about a dozen activists on a march over the Brooklyn Bridge to protest the city's plan to move a homeless intake shelter from Manhattan to Crown Heights, according to the Daily News. The march ended at City Hall, where State Senator Eric Adams and Councilman Lew Fidler spoke out against the plan. "The entire city should share the burden of the...less fortunate," said Adams, who says he's going to bring the fight against the center's move to Albany.
Brooklyn Rally Rips Homeless Detour [NY Daily News]
Crown Heights Rally: Don't Dump On Us! [Brownstoner]
News Columnist: 'Shameful' Crown Heights Homeless Plan [Brownstoner]
Crown Heights Group Still Doesn't Want Homeless Center [Brownstoner]




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Only 12 people attended? That's not exactly an image favorable to widespread community outrage. I suppose that's what happens when a rally is scheduled during a workday. Real smart, Tish (as usual).

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 9:46 AM

12 people showed up for a protest? I've seen more than 12 articles about this. I guess people in crown heights really don't mind and people in prospect heights, PLG, clinton hill, and bedsty don't think the homeless will wander too far during the day.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 9:50 AM

These rallys and events need to be at a convenient hour for people with families and jobs. I wanted to go to the demonstration in CH some weeks ago. Why cant we organise a demonstration say on Saturday at 11 or noon ? Then Im sure folks would turn up.

Posted by: crownheights2007 at June 13, 2008 10:09 AM

No- it was poor planning and outreach by the organizer- I can assure you that Crown Heights is very adamant about this and perhaps next time the people who put together a protest will plan it better. So before you make absurd comments about a neighborhood and an issue you know nothing about, you should actually get your butt out of your basement and your stuck up little nose out of the air and come to Crown Heights and ask people what they think.

On the other hand if you're someone who believes only what they read in the paper and think it's the whole story there's a war in Iraq you'll like.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 13, 2008 10:15 AM

I'm fed up with these nimbys discriminating against the homeless.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 10:30 AM

Bxgrl, people think of all kind of things and even write about them here, but rarely actually DO anything. That's the problem in a nutshell. That crew in the picture couldn't get a traffic light installed at a dangerous intersection.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 10:55 AM

"So before you make absurd comments about a neighborhood and an issue you know nothing about, you should actually get your butt out of your basement and your stuck up little nose out of the air and come to Crown Heights and ask people what they think."

Relax, the comments were noting that the time of the rally was inconvenient. If this proposition has any chance of being blocked, it is through political pressure. Part of that is by holding rallies and trying to garner media attention. If a rally is held during a workday and few show up, that will give the mayor's office ammunition to say that community opposition is weak. Time is of essence and making mistakes like this can ultimately prove costly.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 11:04 AM

I know, guest. What I really hate is when they have a real issue and real support but they waste it on incoherent, and disconnected kinds of protests- walk across the bridge? What does that do? The Bridge isn't even close to Crown heights? It's just a poor attempt at trying to get attention and it does nothing for the issue or for those of us who are putting in time and money to fight this thing.

And too many politicians make the mistake of thinking they have the charisma and chops to pull it off. I have every respect for tish and the pols who are helping- but they need to know how to organize people. 12 people walking across the bridge in protest is an embarrassment and says a lot about how not to stage a protest.

Sorry for venting. Mini-protests aren't what get the job done. It's a lot of hard work and planning and the outreach has to be done more than a week in advance. the timing made no sense, and depending on email for outreach won't get you much.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 13, 2008 11:04 AM

There was a better attended rally at City Hall even before the one a couple of weeks ago in front of the armory. I agree, a work day is not a good time for a march across the bridge. I had to work, as did almost everyone I know. Which goes to show that Crown Heights certainly is made of working people, regardless of some of the remarks made here to the contrary.

This issue is important to our community, and won't fade away. The will is there. Large demonstrations are not the only way to show that. Getting petitions and letters signed and sent to City Hall, gathering names and addresses of those who are committed to being there when we really need to make a physical statement is equally important. Doing all of the invisible work to get the community aware and involved doesn't show up in the news, but gets the job done.

And for the last time, this has nothing to do with NIMBY, unless you are referring to Manhattan.

Montrose Morris

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 11:12 AM

Another factor being overlooked is the walk across the bridge. The length of that bridge is nearly two miles and some of the area's older residents who have health problems like high blood pressure, diabetes, or heart disease may have opted out for that reason. Holding a rally in front of the shelter was much more sensible.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 11:30 AM

11:30

Not to nitpick, but I would think daily walks across the Brooklyn Bridge would do wonders to help people with high blood pressure, diabetes, or heart disease.

The vast majority of incidents of those diseases are caused by physical inactivity. A 2-mile walk up a moderate incline is perfect exercise for such people!

Posted by: Polemicist at June 13, 2008 11:53 AM

You mean if they didn't die or wind up in the hospital because of heat prostration? Are you a doctor? Because each of those diseases is not caused by physical inactivity but a host of genetic, dietary and environmental factors, of which one may be lack of exercise,as a contributing factor, but not a cause.

However, those into weight training could attach 5 lb weights to the poles holding the signs and kill 2 birds with one stone.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 13, 2008 12:01 PM

bxgrl...tall buildings kill birds, not poles with signs on them!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 13, 2008 12:10 PM

Dave, tall GLASS buildings kill birds.

bxgrl, what's heat prostration and will it be available at the new Babeland in Park Slope?

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 13, 2008 12:24 PM

Dave- you took that Audubon class! I didn't see you there, did I?

Actually, I believe that it's when you look at the bird the building kills it- kind of a Schroedingers Cat kind of thing. (And someone needs to tell him to keep the cat in his own yard).

Posted by: bxgrl at June 13, 2008 12:24 PM

I love the Mockingbirds in my yard bxgrl.

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 13, 2008 12:31 PM

There was an interesting letter to the FT today comparing world leaders as either cat lovers or dog lovers...

http://blogs.ft.com/rachmanblog/

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 13, 2008 12:35 PM

"What I really hate is when they have a real issue and real support but they waste it on incoherent, and disconnected kinds of protests- walk across the bridge? What does that do? The Bridge isn't even close to Crown heights?"

You're pretty good at complaining anonymously and letting everyone know what you "hate." But instead of taking shots at the people who led this protest, why don't you just organize and lead a better one? Maybe it's easier said than done?

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 12:36 PM

12:36...and you're pretty good at giving advice anonymously!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 13, 2008 12:38 PM

Polemicist, I agree with you, but my above statement pertained to attendance at this particular rally. If someone already has diabetes or high blood pressure and has not exercised in years, if ever, than walking across the bridge to prove a point would be ill advised. Again, I suspect that aspect of this event turned at least some people away.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 12:46 PM

12:36- I guess you can't read. I posted that under bxgrl and as for the rest- what makes you think I haven't?

Hey dave- I guess you know who that is (W,tsb)?

We're in for a long day :-)

Posted by: bxgrl at June 13, 2008 12:53 PM

Good cause.

Poorly planned protest.

Amen.

Posted by: Bold type guest at June 13, 2008 12:53 PM

"12:36- I guess you can't read. I posted that under bxgrl and as for the rest- what makes you think I haven't?"

And I guess you can't differentiate from an Internet name and your real identity. For all intents and purposes, "Bxgrl" is virtually anonymous, OK?

But nevermind that. Let's hear something (anything?) about the protest you're planning, you know, the one that's better than the one described in the original post.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 1:34 PM

I was yesterday. There were closer to 20 people on the walk--still no great shakes, but we were escorted by police and accompanied by several camera crews and newspaper journalists (Channel 7, Channel 12, the Daily News...). People driving in cars noticed and honked and cheered. People walking by signed letters and took fliers.

Those who couldnt make the walk were invited to join on the City Hall steps, where there was a really good showing for a weekday of about 75 people.

Sometimes things need to get done to get the attention of the 9-5 lawmakers and the press. And other times we can have larger gathering on weekends. There is a a multi-pronged approach to stopping this plan--at the City and State level. If this one rally were it, it wouldn't be enough.

For those who want to do something, email me (crownheightsrm@gmail.com) or visit the CHRM website (www.revitalizecrownheights.org). We have other rallys coming up, are working on a letter-writing campaign, and are regularly meeting with elected officials and government officials.

RPratt

Posted by: Rachel Pratt at June 13, 2008 1:43 PM

bxgrl...he/she is indeed back and sounding even more ludicrous

Posted by: Bold type guest at June 13, 2008 1:44 PM

1:34 troll, please tell me you're not so stupid that you can't differentiate between posting under a pseudonym like "bxgrl", whereby one's posts can be tracked versus posting as a guest, whereby it's impossible to differentiate what you say from any other guest (or troll in your case).

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 13, 2008 1:46 PM

Rachel, thank you for organizing this and noting concrete actions that can be taken to support your cause.

Bold type guest, it's hard to tell - faded type trolls all sound the same, "blah blah blah..."

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 13, 2008 1:49 PM


1:44/1:46/1:49 - Whatever. Let's hear from Bxgrl. Will she answer my question, or just have her fool friends laughably "attack" me?

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 1:56 PM

How 'bout we hear less from you!!

Posted by: Bold type guest at June 13, 2008 1:59 PM

1:56, you've got one thing right, we're laughing at you, as usual. But you really should seek some professional help to combat your bxgrl obsession.

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 13, 2008 2:07 PM

"But you really should seek some professional help to combat your bxgrl obsession."

Not to mention your obsession with: me, faded type posters, people who do not agree with bxgrl, etc.

"How 'bout we hear less from you!!"

Not gonna happen.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 3:09 PM

Bxgrl, why don't you post a few more pornographic links? That seems to be your real forte.

The plan to relocate the intake center in Crown Heights is an excellent one. I look forward to it.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 3:10 PM

3:09, the difference is you actively seek out bxgrl to get her attention. I never go out looking for you or other trolls; I simply wait for you to say something stupid, which happens almost immediately every time, and pounce on it like a herd of lions pouncing on a lame buffalo calf. That's you. You're lame. Get it? Probably not.

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 13, 2008 3:13 PM

To translate "Biff's" post for the uninitiated:

"I beat off to bxgrl's pornographic links."

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 3:20 PM


"You're lame. Get it? Probably not."

Nope, you're lame, and I think more than a few people would agree with me on that. In fact, you are notorious on this blog, from what I understand, for your lameness. That said, I am NOT 3:10, I own a wonderful Victorian rowhouse in Crown Heights, and I believe that what ever has been done on behalf of defeating Mayor Bloomberg's plan is worth it. I just don't like poeple like Bxgrl's complaints. It's pretty easy to criticize, but much more difficult to actually do something. Let's hear what Bxgrl is doing.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 3:22 PM

Let's hear what you're doing.

Posted by: Bold type guest at June 13, 2008 3:33 PM

"Let's hear what you're doing."

I asked first. And weren't you the one who asked to hear less from me? NOW you want to hear what I've been doing? Seems like you're a very confused person.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 3:49 PM

Yep, all faded type trolling guests look the same to us.

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 13, 2008 3:53 PM

Thank you gentlemen! And no, "guest" that doesn't include you.

3:22- right. I bet you do. trust me, I don't play armchair quarterback in my life. I'm pretty sure you do- but I am under no obligation to tell trolls what I plan or work on except to say that I am involved in the issue which is far more than I can say for you.

3:10- Of course your credibility is so well established that everyone is simply rushing to find the pornographic links I so obviously post all over the site.(if anyone finds them please let me know- What,the stupid bxgrl would like them).

Posted by: bxgrl at June 13, 2008 3:58 PM

"3:22- right. I bet you do. trust me, I don't play armchair quarterback in my life. I'm pretty sure you do- but I am under no obligation to tell trolls what I plan or work on except to say that I am involved in the issue which is far more than I can say for you."

Yep, long on complaints, short on specifics. Blah, blah, blah. Yawn.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 4:08 PM

No one will find pornographic links because Mr. B had the good taste to delete them. We all saw who was posting them, though. "Bxgrl". You give Brooklyn a bad name.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 4:12 PM

4:08 = short in many areas, mentally and physically.

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 13, 2008 4:18 PM

Good to hear that Rachel.It's very disappointing to read that there was such low turnout and then the trolls here start howling. I'm already on your email list.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 13, 2008 4:24 PM


"What I really hate is when they have a real issue and real support but they waste it on incoherent, and disconnected kinds of protests- walk across the bridge? What does that do? 12 people walking across the bridge in protest is an embarrassment and says a lot about how not to stage a protest."

"Good to hear that Rachel.It's very disappointing to read that there was such low turnout and then the trolls here start howling."

The TROLLS atart howling? Hypocritical much?

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 4:48 PM

4:48, "atart"? Spell much?

Posted by: Biff Champion at June 13, 2008 5:02 PM

Sad when they're trying to make a point and they mess up the one sentence.

i see from another post Biff that you have a new fan!!!

Posted by: daveinbedstuy at June 13, 2008 5:06 PM

4:48- Did I anywhere blame rachel for the poor turnout? I don't think so. that said, yes- I said what I said and I'm glad rachel added more information but the fact of the matter is that the rally was poorly planned. I don't believe it was Rachel's organization that did the planning- I know they tried to help. I am under the impression it was Tish James' office. And the worst thing that could happen is to make it appear as though it's not big deal because the rally you organized fell flat.

I've worked with other groups on other issues, and I've seen what works and what doesn't. Because then people like you come out of the woodwork to hoot and holler and say, see, they don't really care- and nothing would be further from the truth.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 13, 2008 5:46 PM

"Bxgrl" the only thing you care about are your smutty links.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 5:55 PM

"I've worked with other groups on other issues, and I've seen what works and what doesn't. Because then people like you come out of the woodwork to hoot and holler and say, see, they don't really care- and nothing would be further from the truth."

Continue back tracking. Blah, blah, blah, blah...

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 5:55 PM

5:55 A- yes, that's right.
5:55 B- too true- I think if I keep back tracking I can walk into yesterday. But you'll still be stuck in place no matter where you are.

Posted by: bxgrl at June 13, 2008 6:05 PM

At least you admit it, bytch.

Posted by: guest at June 13, 2008 9:04 PM

12 people?


ROFLMAO!!!!!

Posted by: guest at June 14, 2008 12:56 PM

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