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June 11, 2008
A Peek at the North8 Gardens
Thanks to a tipster with an unusual view, we've got some fun pics of the never-before-seen backyard of Toll Brothers' North8 development (which, incidentally, we think is pretty good looking as far as these things go. Agree?) There's definitely a fishbowl effect going on though!
North 8: Shangri La on the East River [Brownstoner] GMAP
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Future Homeless Shelter....
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: what at June 11, 2008 10:38 AM
future brownstoner advertiser
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 10:44 AM
"Future homeless shelter"
"looks like a prison"
Its a decent looking building sitting directly across the street from a park with some of the best views in NYC. And its sold out so I dont think they need to advertise anymore.
By the way the what lives in a cave and eats his own excrement.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 10:56 AM
"never-before-seen" eh? They have had the model apt that opens to this court yard open for almost a year now. The fences are new but the astro turf is not.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 10:59 AM
In 30-40 years water may be lapping at the doorway...it may be even worse. But, by then, the infrastructure of NYC may be a big mess anyway.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 11:20 AM
does look more like prison exercise yards. Certainly not screaming patio/garden spot. And the fence only seems to have openings in one or two spots. maybe this is just temporary?
Posted by: bxgrl at June 11, 2008 11:23 AM
So that *is* astroturf? And how on earth would you grow anything back there? Zero light.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 11:30 AM
10.56 - I'm not being negativr about the N8 development, but the views are not good - they are directly across from the godawful ugly stuy town/peter cooper projects.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 11:44 AM
#1...Another ground breaking comment...LOSER...
God you must really want to move out of East New York...
Its truly amazing people work extremely hard and sacrifice alot to buy a home and life is short. You never know what the future will hold and by reading your non stop pessimism is just a complete joke and obvious of your lack of success in your own life.
Here is the deal people want to buy a home so they buy they dont time the market when my parents moved from the city 30 years ago to the suburbs they found an area they could afford and did not worry about the current market and so on. This whole timing the market and real estate is going to go down 50% is just absurd. The correction may be over with or may have 10-15% more to go but who the hell knows but to be able to buy your own home instead of paying someone elses mortgage is still no better investment, especially with the tax breaks. If people are in a position to buy and cash ready and can negotiate a good deal its worth going for it because how many times in history has NYC real estate been negotiable and every time right after it has bounced back even stronger.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 11:45 AM
I love the contrast of the clothes line ladder in the foreground with the pristine (sterile?) yards beyond.
Agree with the dog run/prison comments, but lets remember that these aren't lived in yet. Hopefully they will get personalized and personality.
I'd also like to more about that window wall to the left - it looks pretty cool, what is it exactly?
Posted by: WBer at June 11, 2008 11:56 AM
This is a really nice condo building right across from the east river park and the west facing apartments all have shockingly stunning Manhattan views. I have casual acquaintances who bought there - they sold their MANHATTAN place to move because this place is special.
Also, the owners just moved in this year - give them a break! They will surely get around to landscaping their backyards. I live in a condo building where several of us have yards - it took until the second summer living there for most of the yards to be landscaped.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 12:07 PM
""Future homeless shelter"
"looks like a prison"
Its a decent looking building sitting directly across the street from a park with some of the best views in NYC. And its sold out so I dont think they need to advertise anymore.
By the way the what lives in a cave and eats his own excrement."
Hey Asshat! Can you afford to buy a Condo there? Can you afford the price drop if you bought one? Can you afford the payments?
No you can't poser! Why?! Because you need high valuations to justify YOUR insanity! Why would you have Mortgage cost of over 5000K a month when you can rent the same place for 2000k a month? Why??!! Because you are a delusional Asshat and you are mad at The What for point that out!!!!!
"#1...Another ground breaking comment...LOSER...
God you must really want to move out of East New York...
Its truly amazing people work extremely hard and sacrifice alot to buy a home and life is short. You never know what the future will hold and by reading your non stop pessimism is just a complete joke and obvious of your lack of success in your own life."
Nope Asshat, I live in a neighborhood where you are overpaying to live in. Clinton Hill was affordable before the Asshats from the "Fly overstates" stare to infest this area! Clinton Hill, Bed Stuy, Bushwick, Greenpoint, Willamsburg and other places was OK until the invasion of the Asshats!
I wonder if you are going to stay when the crash gets underway. Time will tell....
BTW Lookie here! Rates are going up and the Dumbasses are losing altitude! LMMFAO!
The What (Tick.. Tick... Tick...)
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: what at June 11, 2008 12:13 PM
12:13pm
Nope Asshat, I live in a neighborhood where you are overpaying to live in. Clinton Hill was affordable before the Asshats from the "Fly overstates" stare to infest this area! Clinton Hill, Bed Stuy, Bushwick, Greenpoint, Willamsburg and other places was OK until the invasion of the Asshats!
Another groundbreaking quote...I actually dont live in Williamsburg. I love how you say the places were affordable until the asshats came in...DO you mean asshats or people that actually have jobs and make a living. Or people like you and some of the hipster Williamsburg typ how were leaving in dumpster like brownstones paying 200 dollars a month and not work and be pretty much a lazy bastard. So dont rip the hardworking person who wants to be in Brooklyn and pays for a nice apt...Jealousy is not attractive tool bag... go back to your basement apartment in CLinto Hill...
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 12:20 PM
So, Bear Stearns is history, 40,000 NYC financial service jobs will be lost over the next 6 months, and Lehman looks like it's next as three days ago they announced a plan to issue millions of new shares price at $28 to prop up their over-leveraged balance sheet and their stock quickly fell 15% and is now trading at $25.5.
Now it turns out that all those private equity firms that invested blindly in Manhattan real estate are having trouble paying off their debt and the banks have turned off the liquidity faucet. According to CBS Marketnews:
"Deutsche Bank is making deals to unload three of the seven skyscrapers it took back from New York developer Harry Macklowe in transactions that reflect a 20% to 30% decline from when he purchased them last year, the newspaper reported, citing people
familiar with the matter."
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/torrent-trouble-rattles-financial-sector/story.aspx?guid=%7B91DBAB8F%2D8D7D%2D45AB%2DB2F2%2D3028C7FA9F88%7D
Did you get that?!!! A decline of 20 to 30% in one year in Manhattan real estate! Thank God Brooklyn is immume to all this because as one poster pointed out the other day, there are a lot of people working in the arts and non-finance related jobs in Brooklyn. Plus people are moving into the cities, it's a big trend. Otherwise people might stop paying 1 million plus for brownstones in poor condition in terrible neighborhoods.
(Jeez, am I turning into the What?)
Posted by: Brooklynnative at June 11, 2008 12:37 PM
"(Jeez, am I turning into the What?)"
I hope you are ready to walk to the "Dark Side" Brooklynnative.
Please don't waste your time, just let it happen. The Asshats are not going to listen and maybe "underwater".
The Harry Macklowe deal is proof positive that any one can be a Asshat! That dude was mainlining the Kool-Aid hard when he "Bought" those properties. The square footage numbers made no sense but the Asshat had to have it. Oh well, Rally on!
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Posted by: what at June 11, 2008 12:56 PM
"shockingly stunning Manhattan views" of Stuy town....
Definitely the shock kind of stunning rather than the awe kind of stunning.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 12:57 PM
12:57 - shuddup hater. the views are great.
what's the point on busting on stuff that you are clearly clueless about. most condos in williamsburg have shared rooftops too FYI...
i'm further back a couple of blocks east of this point, but the views in williamsburg are generally pretty extensive and breathtaking unless of course you are as totally jaded and ugly inside as you appear to be.
surely you must be a jealous, bitter renter.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 1:13 PM
hey 12:57,
here are some of the views:
http://tinyurl.com/5dryqc
just wondering, is it physically painful to be so envious?
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 1:17 PM
That's a nice view alright.
But, sheesh, things are getting downright "Lord of the Flies" around here lately.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 2:38 PM
The views are so so - I go to the (scrappy) park regularly. And Stuy Town really is indistinguishable from projects at that distance.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 3:08 PM
1.13 - you're pretty angry huh? chill out dude.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 3:09 PM
You can see the view in the middle pic above. Stuyvesant town and the 14th street power station. Not the best panorama of Manhattan by a long shot.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 3:11 PM
1.17 - I don't know. Is it uncomfortable to be pathologically insecure?
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 3:13 PM
12:57, If Stuy Town were 60 floor buildings you'd have a point. Fortunately they're not. The views from East River State Park (and hence N8) of the ENTIRE manhattan skyline (and yes, Stuy Town) are jawdroppingly gorgeous.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 3:13 PM
"jawdroppingly gorgeous"
ok, you've outed yourself as a clueless tard.
Go to 1) LIC Gantry Park; 2) Brooklyn Heights promenade 3) Dumbo 4) Water's Edge south of the Queensboro bridge, and then come back and tell us that the views from the park at N8 are "jawdroppingly gorgeous".
As far as East River views go its opposite the lamest stretch of Manhattan. The upside to N8 is that the park is not getting towers, so your mediocre views are protected.
I'm sure your slack jaw is always dropped.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 3:27 PM
3.13 - the view from the park front is not the same as the view from the condos due to the huge warehouse on N11 between Kent and the river. Of course, it helps if you've actually been to the hood before you comment.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 3:39 PM
3:39,
You mean the blue-white Treatment facility on N11th? You mean the the one that is being torn down since the city took control of that land from TransGas a few weeks ago? You mean the plot of land that is going to be replaced with more waterfront park? Ah you shouldn't assume I've never "actually been to the hood."
I live *two* blocks from the park and go have gone to N.A.G. meetings.
I love how people attack people with stupid "YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THERE COMMENTS"
I've never said the views are THE BEST IN THE CITY. I just said they're jaw-dropping/good. Sure they're like 4 places in ALL of NYC that have better waterfront views, but that doesn't make these views shit.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 3:47 PM
3.47 - I don't know what NAG have been telling you but the Transgas battle is far from over. Transgas appealed, and the city is very far from owning the land.
Will be very nice though IF it happens.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 4:04 PM
i think there is a barcelona chair at one end of the gardens... its a mouse maze for modern urban cunts.
Posted by: guest at June 11, 2008 10:23 PM
Um, not to go with the What entirely, but as goes finance, so goes New York. I think if you're working in a service-related industry (and yes, that's pretty much all the creative fields, who are above this petty financial bs but yet can afford to buy $800K condos... ), you're going to see some correction.
In the mid-eighties, the east village had a huge gallery scene. I know this because I was in college and read about it. When I arrived in New York in 1989, it was all gone. All the galleries were shuttered, the adjacent businesses closed. Sure, some individuals were still art superstars, but the art scene itself contracted for several years to come, retreated back to Soho, and tons of caterers, restaurant owners, advertising directors and stylists lost their shirts, sublet their apartments, and moved to Prague. I know this too, because I sublet from them.
I know Williamsburg has the hype right now to the point where someone can doodle a stencil on a lampost and get 100K hits, but I worry about the longevity, and at a point, I'm sorry, but I just don't get it: Europeans? Family money? At the end of the day, the apartments aren't even that nice!
Posted by: Heather at June 11, 2008 10:27 PM
And then there were three.
Posted by: Brooklynnative at June 11, 2008 10:30 PM
(And re-reading my comment I realize how what a gross oversimplification it is -- and yet -- I don't know, like I said, I just don't get it.)
Posted by: Heather at June 12, 2008 2:35 AM
Maybe it's just that everything goes in cycles. Soho- where i worked for years- was like that. Once the big chains got interested, that was it. It became the disneyfied version of itself. Until the mid-90s Soho was filled with odd, edgy, artistic people, amazing stores and cutting edge art galleries. It was a little dangerous then, but had a wonderful vibe between the artists, the odd shops, the manufacturing. It's nothing like that now.
Coney Island will go the same way- it's unique character and grit will get cleaned up, averaged out and become a theme park of its former self.
People love character filled places like the old Soho, they follow the artists basically, then force them out as developers put up more and more expensive buildings, rents go up, and the local mom and pops are forced out.
Sometimes it's just all about the hype. And sometimes you just have to give the What his due- theres no guarantees things will happen as he says, but he's definitely no dummy.
Posted by: bxgrl at June 12, 2008 10:13 AM
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