StreetLevel: Windsor Terrace Getting a Little LES Love

this is the best news i've heard since babeland. nice shot in the arm for that neighborhood.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 2:52 PM

very cool.

go brooklyn!!!!

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 2:53 PM

Excellent news. Farrells blows! It would be nice to be able to get a draft beer somewhere that isn't in a styrofoam cup. If this thing succeeds, there are a few other storefronts further south on Prospect Park West that could flip as well.

BTW, anyone know what's happening with the Circles/Windsor Chophouse space on the traffic circle?

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 3:12 PM

Dang. I was hoping that would become CVS or Duane Reade. And no, I'm not kidding.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 3:20 PM

Farrells is a bunch of drunken Irish morons,this place is a welcomed change.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 3:55 PM

Farrells sucks!

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 3:56 PM

whats the point in commenting if you refuse to post,I thought there was freedom of speech.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 3:58 PM

brownstoner losers!

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 3:59 PM

since when does farrell's serve sandwiches and have live music?

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 4:00 PM

nice!
windsor terrace sooo needs a new bar - no offense to farrell's or rhythm & booze.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 4:06 PM

I agree more or less with the other posters who have commented on Farrells. I've been there but it's not exactly my scene. I'm totally excited about this new joint.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 4:36 PM

Brenda, I hear what you're saying but ....

Calling Farrell's "quintessentially old-school Brooklyn" makes it seem like there are a bunch of sweet old timers hanging out there talking about the days of Jackie Robinson. I've been to Farrells. Let me assure you that there are not too many fans of Jackie Robinson there...if you get my drift. Its "old school", but not in a good way.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 5:00 PM

Windsor Terrace is FILLED with Rush Limbaugh types.

Another reason why this bar is a welcome change.

Out with the old, in the with the new.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 5:46 PM

Greenwood Slope: Only assumption I'm making is that the people at Farrells I heard make racist comments were indeed racist.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 6:25 PM

Name one bar in all of NYC where you can pull up in your car, double park, pick up two beers in to-go cups, and drive off while sipping (all in front of the cops) and not get pulled over!!!!!! On a Sunday no less.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 6:35 PM

I live in WT. I've seen African Americans hangin' in Farrell's (probably NYPD). Also, the nabe is more mixed than people realize, as the Irish and Italians age and move out. Also, I notice Obama '08 signs on many windows in the neighborhood. However, would I step into Farrell's and feel welcome? No. But, it's just one bar in one neighborhood. It's like judging Park Slope by Jackie's Fifth Amendment on 5th Avenue.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 6:47 PM

Speaking of Jackie's Fifth Amendment, for a while there I was noticing a few hipsters trying to colonize the place. Lately though, it seems to be back to the same ever-aging ever-diminishing crowd. Anybody have any first-hand observations to offer?

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 7:59 PM

"they don't even want to be in the same bar or live in the same neighborhood where there might be people who believe that a smaller government is a good idea."

Yeah, that's exactly what brownstoners are saying. By that logic, are you saying that all conservatives are racist?

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 8:36 PM

oe - it's pure snobbbery and the ignorance based inability to fathom how one might develop a different lifestyle or perspective from your own.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 10:23 PM

as a homosexual and liberal, no i don't particualrly enjoy living in neighborhoods or going to bars where MANY of the kinds of people who you allude to, don't view the way i was born as a viable option.

i don't see anything wrong with that. i grew up and was raised in a suburban area that was very unwelcoming to people who were in any way, shape or form different from themselves and now it's nice to live in a city where there are less of those people.

i've found some establishments and people on the street in windsor terrace more unwelcoming than some other neighborhoods in nyc. nothing wrong with pointing that out.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 10:35 PM

Your self consciousness might be feeding your perceptions. Most families have a gay family or friend regardless of race, religion, other classification... Yes - even presumbably lower middle class Irish, Italian, Polish....families are known to love andkeep their gay relatives. Grow Up.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 10:44 PM

thats great more options my stomach gets bored easily.

we wish sunset park was considered as well.

we really need these type of options

can you guys help spread the word so that future entrepreneurs might consider Sunset Park for such ventures.

love,

mr glutton

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 10:51 PM

10:35 sounds quite a bit more grown up than you do, 10:44. At least they seem to be able to see the world for what it really is instead of pretending we live in a bubble.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 11:01 PM

You people are hilarious.

Posted by: guest at May 28, 2008 11:17 PM

there's nothing wrong with farrell's. hah, kidding. i've been in a million "old man, working class" type bars in my day... some have been less friendly than farrell's, but not many. MY whole problem with the place is the fact that it isn't the same old farrell's it used to be. "back in the day" (disclaimer: according to my neighbor; a lifelong WTer) farrell's was actually a bit of a pinko bar! albeit, a rather mysoganistic pinko bar. but nowadays, under the new ownership (yeah that's right, the current owners bought it from the original owner) farrell's caters specifically to basically white-ish guys who are either authentically working guys or posing as such. btw, anyone hear what went down shortly after 9/11 between farrell's and the (arab owned) deli across the street? well, you can probably imagine...
anyways, this new place will be great i think. tiny's has really good sandwiches and if this place will have a better beer selection than farrell's, i'm all over it!

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 12:06 AM

I wonder how welcome the Farrell's regulars -- you know, all those cops, firemen, plumbers, laborers and old men who play the ponies during the day -- will be made to feel at Tiny's Giant Sandwich & Cake Shop.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 9:41 AM

Sounds like a debate between people with the disposable income to buy beer in bars rather than picking up a quart at the deli and bringing it home.

There are other folks living in Windsor Terrace too. Hope the laundromats don't disappear.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 10:25 AM

"Your self consciousness might be feeding your perceptions. Most families have a gay family or friend regardless of race, religion, other classification... Yes - even presumbably lower middle class Irish, Italian, Polish....families are known to love andkeep their gay relatives. Grow Up."

That doesn't invalidate the gentleman's observation about mouth-breathing homophobes. Get real.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 10:40 AM

Yay Cakeshop! This will be great!

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 10:50 AM

farrell's is what it is, and it's not going anywhere, which is great because it's a true neighborhood institution.
this new place won't be competition for farrell's; it will be a welcome presence for a growing number of people like me who think it's a drag walking all the way down the hill to bars on 5th ave.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 10:54 AM

the owners of CakeShop are really great and it's exciting to hear they are bringing something new and fresh to the neighborhood. WT is lucky to have them! i am only crossing my fingers their next spot is in fort greene!

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 12:55 PM

This sounds like a great plan! I'm also excited that a new wine store is oepning up on PPW, where a pet supply store used to be. (Their temporary location is on 16th, near the subway entrance.) There's a really cool-looking stained glass sign at their store front, which they discovered during the renovation. Go PPW!!

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 2:19 PM

As a resident of the block, I don't appreciate the ugly line of American flags put up by the McFadden Bros Bar (Oh yeah, it's a "veteran's club") or their obnoxious pro-war Republican politics. The Farrell's crowd are the same people--they don't live in the neighborhood, at least anymore, as they all drive in to go to these bars, get drunk, and drive back to where ever they've "moved up" to. Farrells could have been a cool old-school bar if they didn't serve beer in styrofoam cups and tear up the beautiful tiled floor to replace it with pergo.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 3:42 PM

Face it, New Yorkers are provincial in that they only go places where people "like them" go.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 3:55 PM

My wife and I went to Farrell's a few times. We sat at the bar, LOVED the Bud in styro cups, chatted with the bartender and smiled at the old guys.

That's it.

Can everyone just relax and stop being so xenophobic. If you're not comfortable enough with yourself to walk into that bar, then don't!.

There's something nice about just walking in at 2 in the afternoon and having a coldie. Then again, my wife and I are from the Mid-Atlantic were it's ok to wear white sneakers instead of designer chucks.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 4:55 PM

I'm with Ms. Limestone on this one. I have lived on 16th Street for 15 years and have never crossed the "Feral's" threshold. Just not an inviting place, especially for women. Not that I'm picky either. I started drinking 25¢ tappers with my friends fathers in an American Legion hall on the south side of Milwaukee at fifteen...everyday.
Drinking side by side with your mailman at 2 in the afternoon under florescent lighting is not my idea of a happy hour anymore.

I get the feeling todays Farrel's is not the same as the old, but you know drinking is drinking, especially when it's Bud from a foam cup. That said looking forward to a good sandwich shop. The bodegas around these parts sell old Boar's Head just shy of foul.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 5:32 PM

i can tell you that after living on that corner for 4 years, and as a 'straight acting' gay man - i have never put a foot in the bar only cause its just not my place. i can tell you i was walking in front of the bar on a summer day last year and i was harassed by a couple of drunk guys for wearing skinny jeans and being dressed nice. if that is gay, whatever - but it put a bad taste in my mouth.

i enjoy the fact that it has been a brooklyn mainstay and would be sorry to see it leave (only out of historical value). i truly hope that there are no problems when the new place opens and that everyone can just get along.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 5:34 PM

I agree that we all need to be more tolerant of people who are different than we are. Try to understand differences or at the very least not to have the differences and learn from them and relax. People are what they are regardless of sexual, political, stylistic orientation and IQ, aptitudes, other advantages and life circumstances. This is what makes the city so energizing and interesting.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 8:24 PM

I think that everyone does eventually get along after the initial mistrust and other insecurities on both sides. At the end of the day, people are people and there are s*umbags in all walks of life.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 8:29 PM

I think that everyone does eventually get along after the initial mistrust and other insecurities on both sides. At the end of the day, people are people and there are s*umbags in all walks of life.

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 8:29 PM

Well they can't call it The Pie Shop. That name is taken by the place across the street!

Posted by: guest at May 29, 2008 10:40 PM

You all are the reason WT is changed, you whine about a place like Farrells but when you get robbed or your house burns you need
the very civil servants you put down. Too bad there isn't an open season on yuppie web bloggers and granola eaters, I'd have my limit. The neighborhood has changed, not for the better because of you weasels.

Posted by: guest at June 4, 2008 5:37 PM

here's the thing. I am fine with farrell's, even though I'd never go there, since I would feel pretty unwelcome. Hell, I cross to the other side of the street when there's a big crowd out.

And I witnessed one of the worst, bloodiest fights I've ever seen at Rhythm & Booze. So I don't go there anymore. I'm glad to see a new place in the hood opening up, one where I'd feel more welcome and safe.

I'm not knockin those other places, I'm just saying there's room for everybody.

I'm worried though that the crowd from Farrell's won't like very much the crowd from cakey place, and they'll make it known.

Posted by: guest at June 10, 2008 10:37 AM

I never go to Farrell’s myself. But the people who do are the people who’ve lived in Windsor Terrace their whole lives, as have their parents and grandparents. The people who hate Farrell’s are the ones who just moved to Brooklyn 5 years ago or less. The new people wanting Farrell’s gone qualifies as invading in my opinion.

Farrell’s is a true landmark of the neighborhood. Manhattan wouldn’t be Manhattan without the Empire State Building. Coney Island wouldn’t be Coney Island without the Cyclone. Windsor Terrace wouldn’t be Windsor Terrace without Farrell’s.

Posted by: guest at June 16, 2008 2:17 AM

It will be nice to have a non-sports themed bar, WT is covered in that department.

Yeah, I used to live in the LES, which is why I'm excited to hear about this place. Now two things I love about LES are coming to PPW. Yay!

Posted by: guest at June 25, 2008 6:49 PM

this idea sucks, all you yuppies who are not from here need to go back to where you came from. we don't want you in our neighborhood. but i guess you are here because where you came from didn't want you either.

how about you walk into Farrell's and say what you say on this board to actual people? I doubt any of you would do it

Posted by: guest at July 2, 2008 11:15 AM

I love how many people on this board start their Farrell's bashing with "i've never gone in because i don't think i'd be welcome, but...". Grow a sack and walk in and find out that nobody cares that you're there because nobody cares about you, you're not that important. Also, I would love to see how welcome you people make Sweat and his crew feel. (Guarantee not a one of them knows who Sweat is).

All of you people who are pricing out the people who built a great neighborhood are probably creaming in your pants because now the businesses are starting to get priced out too.

Farrell's has changed from what it was but it's still the best tap beer in NY and a great bar. Yuppies will never appreciate the place, and those who do will appreciate it for the wrong reasons.

The fact that so many people are excited about some shit shop opening that serves beer is pretty pathetic. Oh yeah, and to the lazy fuck who can't walk to 5th avenue to go to a bar, KYS.

Posted by: guest at July 2, 2008 12:25 PM

Now there will be a bar that wont mind you bringing in your stroller, dog, as well as your purchased items from one of the 15 daily stoop sales on 16th! Groundbreaking stuff indeed...

Posted by: guest at July 2, 2008 12:28 PM

You yuppie/hipster assholes can all go back to the suburb where your pitiful existence began. You cant afford to live in the city, so you have to leech into brooklyn, and pretend to be working class.. all the while sipping your fucking chai latte and destroying the authenticity of neighborhoods like WT. Fuck Pab's Blue Ribbon beer and fuck you. Your damn right your not wanted in the neighborhood or farrells, so go hangout in williamsburg or alphabet city, or wherever the fuck you choose to spread your holier-than-thou bullshit. As long as I live in the neighborhood, I will do my best to make you and your future asshole kids feel unwelcome.

Posted by: guest at July 2, 2008 1:19 PM

My only hope is that after being reprimanded for peddling his or her prescription drugs in front of this much anticipated cake and beer shop, one of the inhabitants of the 8th Avenue Armory tosses a garbage can through the front window.

Those of you that have problems with the "drunken Irish" and "Irish alkies" that frequent Farrell’s should go back to the neighborhoods in which you were born; quite frankly, we don’t want you here.

Posted by: guest at July 2, 2008 1:23 PM

just wasted my time reading through a lot of the comments after googling for cake shop and all's i can say is you people need to get a life. one new bar or restaurant isn't going to ruin a neighborhood. if you don't like it, don't go there. this is america, "land of the free to capitalize", if you want to live in a country where new businesses are regulated by the government then GO (please?). but if you're as american as your bumper sticker claims, then you need to recognize these people are just trying to fulfill their potential as americans to capitalize... in a capitalistic society. how about this for a worthwhile dialogue: would socialism be an alternative worth exploring if it meant gentrification ceased to proliferate as rapidly as it currently does? hah!

Posted by: guest at July 13, 2008 10:11 AM